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is there news about the bootloader lock?

Does anyone can verify if there is bootloader lock on USA/CAN version of Galaxy Note 3?
We all know that the ATT&VZW version of the galaxy S4 has bootloader lock and look like there is no perfect unlock solution yet...
so how about the Note3? Will it come with LOCKED BOOTLOADER on ATT & VZW again?
or its just UNLOCKED?
hope if someone could verify this

I'm quite sure it's locked because of the knox security, newer fw on the s4 got there bootloader locked up
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The latest update on the canadian s4 didnt lock the bootloader so im really hoping the can cersion of the N3 is also unlocked. This could be a good option for at&t users as long as we can get the device sim unlocked sooner rather than later
Time will tell.
sent from my S3, S4 or Note2

If you are on Verizon or AT&T then a locked bootloader is GUARANTEED. They both have stated as much on all phones and they are not changing their position on it. All we can hope for is a method that allows us to unlock it and not have to use SS to get around it.

sewe said:
I'm quite sure it's locked because of the knox security, newer fw on the s4 got there bootloader locked up
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Knox security has NOTHING to do with the bootloader. The bootloader is lower level than Knox. The bootloader on the S4 remains publicly locked after the OTAs, but that doesn't mean it isn't privately unlocked or that it's not able to be cracked. It's just the the public bounty of $5000 is a fraction of what the exploit is worth on the black market.
"What black market?" you ask. It's not a big secret if it's in Forbes magazine.
So the next time your device's bootloader or root state is not where you'd like it to be, don't assume that the device's manufacturer or the carrier made things too difficult, throw your hands up, and curse the xda developers for not having a solution. Instead, go to the bounty thread and pledge something worth their while. Can you really blame them for not caring about a $10 pledge when it takes them many hours over several days to get the exploit? Meanwhile, the $10 donation would give the person two years+ worth of benefit. What would you do if you were them?

I work at a phone repair shop and bootloader of the S4 is not a problem. I flashed many S4's. Customers are scared to update their devices so we offer that as a service since were an official service point of samsung.
The new multi tool gives problems but good old odin 1.85 never fails.
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SquirtingCherry said:
I work at a phone repair shop and bootloader of the S4 is not a problem. I flashed many S4's. Customers are scared to update their devices so we offer that as a service since were an official service point of samsung.
The new multi tool gives problems but good old odin 1.85 never fails.
Sent from my GT-I9205 using xda app-developers app
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I was told that write protection enabled is shown in download mode. I wasn't exactly sure if that is for the NAND or the bootloader however.
I haven't seen Samsung lock their nand down like HTC does however.

SquirtingCherry said:
I work at a phone repair shop and bootloader of the S4 is not a problem. I flashed many S4's. Customers are scared to update their devices so we offer that as a service since were an official service point of samsung.
The new multi tool gives problems but good old odin 1.85 never fails.
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Wait, are you saying that you are able to downgrade from latest FW?? For example from XXUDMH8 down to XXUBMEA??
I've tried and it's simply impossible due to irreversible bootloader.. Odin will FAIL on aboot.mbn and if you exclud it, you won't have Sound nor WiFi nor Calls ...
sewe said:
I'm quite sure it's locked because of the knox security, newer fw on the s4 got there bootloader locked up
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Mate, new bootloader for GT-I9505 (S4 int) is NOT locked, it's irreversible and SECURED.. You CAN root your phone or flash Custom Recovery/ROM/Kernel etc but it will trigger KNOX WARRANTY VOID flag and set it to 0x1... What that mean?? No one knows (yet) ... Some says that your WARRANTY is VOID but I don't think so... It should be KNOX Software related ONLY but it's still unknown...
Note 3 will have the same type of Bootloader and KNOX SOFTWARE on-board.... It won't stop you from flashing Custom ROM's but we need to find out if our WARRANTY RIGHTS will be intact or void?? That's my question for now...
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DjeMBeY said:
Wait, are you saying that you are able to downgrade from latest FW?? For example from XXUDMH8 down to XXUBMEA??
I've tried and it's simply impossible due to irreversible bootloader.. Odin will FAIL on aboot.mbn and if you exclud it, you won't have Sound nor WiFi nor Calls ...
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Don't know about downgrading, but my co worker here has an S4 too that i flashed to MIUI v5 (CM base) and no problems whatsoever, i don't think it will give problems if i just flash the newest stock availible if he wants back to official. and warranty void is not really an issue.

SquirtingCherry said:
Don't know about downgrading, but my co worker here has an S4 too that i flashed to MIUI v5 (CM base) and no problems whatsoever, i don't think it will give problems if i just flash the newest stock availible if he wants back to official. and warranty void is not really an issue.
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Flashing ROM's through Custom Recovery is a different story and Bootloader is NOT flashed.. You CAN'T downgrade it at all... (so far) Tested

Tomorrow at work i'm gonna check out our special samsung pc, its got special software on it linked directly to the samsung database. I's not working through odin but a different kind of program that also lets you flash multiple phones at once even if they differ. I'm gonna check out if its possible to flash an older bootloader with that and report back.

docnok63 said:
Knox security has NOTHING to do with the bootloader. The bootloader is lower level than Knox. The bootloader on the S4 remains publicly locked after the OTAs, but that doesn't mean it isn't privately unlocked or that it's not able to be cracked. It's just the the public bounty of $5000 is a fraction of what the exploit is worth on the black market.
"What black market?" you ask. It's not a big secret if it's in Forbes magazine.
So the next time your device's bootloader or root state is not where you'd like it to be, don't assume that the device's manufacturer or the carrier made things too difficult, throw your hands up, and curse the xda developers for not having a solution. Instead, go to the bounty thread and pledge something worth their while. Can you really blame them for not caring about a $10 pledge when it takes them many hours over several days to get the exploit? Meanwhile, the $10 donation would give the person two years+ worth of benefit. What would you do if you were them?
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Well for starters it used to be by the community for the community, and I do understand the money factor behind it. But if that is what its about today we might as well close up the site and call it a day. But it isn't and if I could do it I would gladly do it just for the BRAGGING RIGHTS!
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SquirtingCherry said:
Don't know about downgrading, but my co worker here has an S4 too that i flashed to MIUI v5 (CM base) and no problems whatsoever, i don't think it will give problems if i just flash the newest stock availible if he wants back to official. and warranty void is not really an issue.
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Which carrier and which country. If you have an AT&T or Verizon phone then you are in for some gold and riches. Otherwise you likely have one that is not locked by carrier request.

RaptorMD said:
Well for starters it used to be by the community for the community, and I do understand the money factor behind it. But if that is what its about today we might as well close up the site and call it a day. But it isn't and if I could do it I would gladly do it just for the BRAGGING RIGHTS!
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For a person that has an owl as their avatar, you're not really making a wise decision. Let's weigh this one out:
Stay at home, make my own hours doing something I really love as a livelihood, be able to afford sending my kids to college :good: :highfive:
--OR--
Fight traffic going into work every day, work on their schedule and sometimes holidays, and pray I don't lose my job while my kid takes out tons of student loans. As an added bonus, I get to brag to people I don't know, who I will never meet, about hours of work I did for absolutely free. :crying:

docnok63 said:
For a person that has an owl as their avatar, you're not really making a wise decision. Let's weigh this one out:
Stay at home, make my own hours doing something I really love as a livelihood, be able to afford sending my kids to college :good: :highfive:
--OR--
Fight traffic going into work every day, work on their schedule and sometimes holidays, and pray I don't lose my job while my kid takes out tons of student loans. As an added bonus, I get to brag to people I don't know, who I will never meet, about hours of work I did for absolutely free. :crying:
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I'm sure many very smart people will own a Note 3 and exploit it anyway so they can root their own device for their own benefit. It takes virtually no effort to reveal said exploit so hardly much work for strangers (since the root they did for themselves). Keep in mind that the folks who have been finding exploits for iOS for years have never asked for money (google Dev-Team blog).

weirdingway said:
Keep in mind that the folks who have been finding exploits for iOS for years have never asked for money (google Dev-Team blog).
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Have you ever thought that they might have sold it before they went public so there was no reason to ask?

As far as US models, there is already a Clockwork mod recovery for the 900T (Tmobile) version. This still doesn't mean we can flash custom kernels but it does mean we can flash custom roms with stock kernels hopefully. It does trip the Knox counter which is fine by me. I don't want to use it anyway.

mircury said:
As far as US models, there is already a Clockwork mod recovery for the 900T (Tmobile) version. This still doesn't mean we can flash custom kernels but it does mean we can flash custom roms with stock kernels hopefully. It does trip the Knox counter which is fine by me. I don't want to use it anyway.
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That's not the real issue though, the issue is, once triggered will Samsung refuse to do a warranty repair on your device, if you have to send it back for any reason?
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SquirtingCherry said:
Tomorrow at work i'm gonna check out our special samsung pc, its got special software on it linked directly to the samsung database. I's not working through odin but a different kind of program that also lets you flash multiple phones at once even if they differ. I'm gonna check out if its possible to flash an older bootloader with that and report back.
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So like i promised, i have checked out the special computer with the samsung smartflash tool, the + on this is that you can download the stock roms in multiple files (PDA/MODEM/CSC etc.) but flashing seperate files must be done by odin, the smart tool installs all of em at once. so were till no further on the bootloader backward flashing. I can check if i can put all bootloaders online for development useage.

RavenY2K3 said:
That's not the real issue though, the issue is, once triggered will Samsung refuse to do a warranty repair on your device, if you have to send it back for any reason?
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That doesn't matter to me that much since my Tmobile device is coming unlocked. The warranty is questionable anyway. I'm planning on getting a squaretrade warranty.

mircury said:
That doesn't matter to me that much since my Tmobile device is coming unlocked. The warranty is questionable anyway. I'm planning on getting a squaretrade warranty.
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Well if it's insured and the worse comes to worst. You could always, drop it... accidentally on purpose.... Haha
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[S4 mini: GT-I9195] Knox warranty void 0x1 – all downsides

Hey guys,
I've read lots of articles about Knox and the whole eFuse thing but the more I read the more unsure I get about rooting my S4 mini. Because of this and because I think you don't get any S4s without "activated" Knox Bootloader anymore I thought it would be helpful for all S4 mini owners (and maybe all Knox device owners in general) to list all downsides and also rumors about "blowing the eFuse" to hopefully take away some of the fears.
I think it's already clear that you could loose your warranty if you got a 0x1 flag. Which doesn't seem to affect EU people But anyway, I'd rather like to get a list of all the irreversible consequences with your device itself when rooting etc:
:: EDITED & ADDED SOME QUESTIONS ::
The answers in green = positive or red = negative show the current state according to the replies in here, If you have other experiences please let us know.
[ROOTING tripping KNOX 0x1]
Are there any irreversible malfunctions when rooting your device (especially the GT-I9195) and turning to "knox warranty void 0x1"?
Are all (pre-installed) apps - except the Knox apps - still working as they should on rooted stock roms (s-apps, cam, calendar,..)?
[GOING BACK TO DEFAULT FACTORY STATUS]
Regarding the software only:
can you go back to 100% factory status (unrooted, stock etc) with a "Knox Warranty Void 0x1?
- Yes, according to iPAQS4 you can go back with no malfunctions
Do you get the Knox warnings again?
No, according to iPAQS4
Are there any other app or system malfunctions?
- No
Is it true that OTA updates won't work anymore once you tripped your knox flag?
- No, according to iPAQS4 they still work
Is it possible to get official updates via Kies / USB cable still?
- Yes, according to iPAQS4
[FAILURES ROOTING, KNOX]
Regarding the Knox environment only, not self-caused rooting failures:
can there else go anything wrong that can't be undone like breaking important hardware?
or is there a higher chance to brick your device with Knox than without?
is an intact eFuse required by some other hardware (NFC, etc)?
Are there any other known problems/downsides?
Here is an interesting article about all myths & truths about Knox. It's very informative and also answers a few of my questions: http://androidforums.com/boost-mobi...t/807188-guide-q-myths-truths-about-knox.html

Honky-Tonk said:
Hey guys,
I've read lots of articles about Knox and the whole eFuse thing but the more I read the more unsure I get about rooting my S4 mini. Because of this and because I think you don't get any S4s without "activated" Knox Bootloader anymore I thought it would be helpful for all S4 mini owners (and maybe all Knox device owners in general) to list all downsides and also rumors about "blowing the eFuse" to hopefully take away some of the fears.
I think it's already clear that you can loose your warranty if you got a 0x1 flag. But I'd rather like to get a list of all the irreversivble consequences with your device itself when rooting etc:
Can you go back to stock Rom (un-rooted) with a "Knox Warranty Void 0x1"? And with which problems do you have to deal (software warnings, malfunctions...)?
Can you still get official Samsung updates via Kies or over unofficial channels?
Are there any known hardware or software malfunctions because of the broken eFuse?
Are there any other known problems/downsides?
@ all_experienced_owners: would you still recommend rooting a Knox device or breaking the eFuse?
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If you flash stock ROM (XXUBML1 for example) via Odin, the System Status will turn back to Official but of course the Knox flag remains 0x1.
Kies will also recognize your phone.
I don't know whether Kies/OTA updates will work, I never used/saw them.
If you don't care about warranty I recommend rooting

ladislav.heller said:
If you flash stock ROM (XXUBML1 for example) via Odin, the System Status will turn back to Official but of course the Knox flag remains 0x1.
Kies will also recognize your phone.
I don't know whether Kies/OTA updates will work, I never used/saw them.
If you don't care about warranty I recommend rooting
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According to other posts OTA updates won't work anymore, unfortunately. Does anyone else know if updates via Kies/ USB cable will still work?
Have there been any Knox warnings when going back to stock again? It always says to disable all Knox apps once you have rooted your phone but back on un-rooted stock this is not possible, I guess?! So I think you will get these warnings again, don't you?

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Honky-Tonk said:
According to other posts OTA updates won't work anymore, unfortunately. Does anyone else know if updates via Kies/ USB cable will still work?
Have there been any Knox warnings when going back to stock again? It always says to disable all Knox apps once you have rooted your phone but back on un-rooted stock this is not possible, I guess?! So I think you will get these warnings again, don't you?
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Updates via Kies/ USB cable will still work.
Going back to stock is posible whitout extra knox warnings. Knox will behave as before.

iPAQS4 said:
Updates via Kies/ USB cable will still work.
Going back to stock is posible whitout extra knox warnings. Knox will behave as before.
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Sounds great, so you can always go back to original phone status (except your Bootloader and the OTA updates)? Just to make sure: you tripped Knox warranty void to 0x1, right?
What about rooted status (stock rom), did you notice any malfunctions with any apps, especially the s-apps?
Which rooting method did you use?
Thx

Honky-Tonk said:
I think it's already clear that you can loose your warranty if you got a 0x1 flag. But I'd rather like to get a list of all the irreversivble consequences with your device itself when rooting etc:
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Not if you're in the EU. Under legislation, companies aren't allowed to void a warranty because of a software change etc (eg if a piece of hardware fails, they can't turn around and say you rooted your phone so you're not covered).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801

You can use this method to root with out trip the Knox flag: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2565758
I've tried it on mine i9190 without any issue.

Honky-Tonk said:
Sounds great, so you can always go back to original phone status (except your Bootloader and the OTA updates)? Just to make sure: you tripped Knox warranty void to 0x1, right?
What about rooted status (stock rom), did you notice any malfunctions with any apps, especially the s-apps?
Which rooting method did you use?
Thx
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When you go back to original phone status OTA updates will olso work and there are no malfunctions with any apps.

iPAQS4 said:
When you go back to original phone status OTA updates will olso work and there are no malfunctions with any apps.
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really ??
i updated once via kies to the latest firmware and my gt-i9195 was useless, could not turn on wifi and it was lagging a lot and etc...
so i needed to flash it back to my previus firmware version...

nibb-1 said:
really ??
i updated once via kies to the latest firmware and my gt-i9195 was useless, could not turn on wifi and it was lagging a lot and etc...
so i needed to flash it back to my previus firmware version...
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I unrooted my phone by flashing it with the original firmware with odin and than wipe data/ factory reset in recovery mode.
After that my phone had a ota from MJ7 to ML4.

If you recently bought the phone, I don't recommend rooting (although I rooted the phone the same day I bought it) If you really don't care about the warranty and the OTA updates, root your phone. I literally can do nothing without root.
As we heard today, our S4 Mini will update to 4.4.2 so I don't recommend rooting until it is out so you cqn get the OTA update.
Press THANKS if I helped!

Sky91 said:
Not if you're in the EU. Under legislation, companies aren't allowed to void a warranty because of a software change etc (eg if a piece of hardware fails, they can't turn around and say you rooted your phone so you're not covered).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801
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Good to know, thank's a lot

Sky91 said:
Not if you're in the EU. Under legislation, companies aren't allowed to void a warranty because of a software change etc (eg if a piece of hardware fails, they can't turn around and say you rooted your phone so you're not covered).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801
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Thx, yes that makes sense. I've also read a few articles about the warranty facts and always wondered why sellers can refuse warranty just because of the "wrong" software. I mean I never heard of anything like that with personal computers, notebooks etc. Would be very interesting, though if a mainboard manufacturer doesn't give warranty and claims that Windows, OSX, Linux etc destroyed it because you used it as an Admin . So actually I think, this regulation should apply world wide not only in the EU.
But we should keep in mind that warranty is not the same as guaranty which is probably really gone with a void 0x1 flag?! However it's great (at least for European people) to have a last hope in mind!
But the reason I wanted to list all downsides is to make sure that you can also root Knox system without any hesitation - to keep the fun for rooting so to say
iPAQS4 said:
I unrooted my phone by flashing it with the original firmware with odin and than wipe data/ factory reset in recovery mode.
After that my phone had a ota from MJ7 to ML4.
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I just found this article about all myths & truths about Knox http://androidforums.com/boost-mobi...t/807188-guide-q-myths-truths-about-knox.html
It's very informative but I'm now confused again because the Article says that you can't use Knox apps anymore, once you tripped the flag:
"[...]If the KNOX warranty void line says 0x1 then you cannot use KNOX software as your device has been flagged as insecure.[...]"
Does this only concern additional Knox Apps not the default ones which produce the warning messages? Or are the Knox Apps just no installed anymore when going back on a 0x1 device or kind of deactivated by default? Could you check that?
RoyaLKurTx3 said:
If you recently bought the phone, I don't recommend rooting (although I rooted the phone the same day I bought it) If you really don't care about the warranty and the OTA updates, root your phone. I literally can do nothing without root.
As we heard today, our S4 Mini will update to 4.4.2 so I don't recommend rooting until it is out so you cqn get the OTA update.
Press THANKS if I helped!
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Thx, I personally don't care about warranty. So this was really rather meant to only treat the functional downsides if there are any at all. I wanted to make sure to not have a trash phone with lots of battery drain or even worse: some irreversible hardware malfunctions after rooting. I'm also looking forward to KitKat but I doubt that the update will remove Knox again since even the army is already working together with Samsung now!
But according to iPAQS4 you can't do so much wrong with rooting (regarding the Knox environment of course)?!

Honky-Tonk said:
Thx, yes that makes sense. I've also read a few articles about the warranty facts and always wondered why sellers can refuse warranty just because of the "wrong" software. I mean I never heard of anything like that with personal computers, notebooks etc. Would be very interesting, though if a mainboard manufacturer doesn't give warranty and claims that Windows, OSX, Linux etc destroyed it because you used it as an Admin . So actually I think, this regulation should apply world wide not only in the EU.
But we should keep in mind that warranty is not the same as guaranty which is probably really gone with a void 0x1 flag?! However it's great (at least for European people) to have a last hope in mind!
But the reason I wanted to list all downsides is to make sure that you can also root Knox system without any hesitation - to keep the fun for rooting so to say
I just found this article about all myths & truths about Knox http://androidforums.com/boost-mobi...t/807188-guide-q-myths-truths-about-knox.html
It's very informative but I'm now confused again because the Article says that you can't use Knox apps anymore, once you tripped the flag:
"[...]If the KNOX warranty void line says 0x1 then you cannot use KNOX software as your device has been flagged as insecure.[...]"
Does this only concern additional Knox Apps not the default ones which produce the warning messages? Or are the Knox Apps just no installed anymore when going back on a 0x1 device or kind of deactivated by default? Could you check that?
Thx, I personally don't care about warranty. So this was really rather meant to only treat the functional downsides if there are any at all. I wanted to make sure to not have a trash phone with lots of battery drain or even worse: some irreversible hardware malfunctions after rooting. I'm also looking forward to KitKat but I doubt that the update will remove Knox again since even the army is already working together with Samsung now!
But according to iPAQS4 you can't do so much wrong with rooting (regarding the Knox environment of course)?!
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I will flash a new ROM and I'll see if the KNOX stays like it was. But I'll do that later today or tomorrow.
Press THANKS if I helped!

Honky-Tonk said:
I just found this article about all myths & truths about Knox
It's very informative but I'm now confused again because the Article says that you can't use Knox apps anymore, once you tripped the flag:
"[...]If the KNOX warranty void line says 0x1 then you cannot use KNOX software as your device has been flagged as insecure.[...]"
Does this only concern additional Knox Apps not the default ones which produce the warning messages? Or are the Knox Apps just no installed anymore when going back on a 0x1 device or kind of deactivated by default? Could you check that?
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According myths & truths about Knox
If the KNOX warranty void line says 0x1 then you cannot use KNOX software as your device has been flagged as insecure. By this I mean that if your workplace / company supports bring your own device to work for corporate emails etc and they use KNOX to keep security your device will not allow this. You are still able to use future Samsung firmware releases with the KNOX flag 0x1.

Confirmed. If you flash a new ROM TWICE, your KNOX counter will get 0x0. It will look like it is new.
Press THANKS if I helped!

RoyaLKurTx3 said:
Confirmed. If you flash a new ROM TWICE, your KNOX counter will get 0x0. It will look like it is new.
Press THANKS if I helped!
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Is your phone knox previously tripped 0x1 and when you flash new rom twice become 0x0 ? thanks

rnbeez said:
Is your phone knox previously tripped 0x1 and when you flash new rom twice become 0x0 ? thanks
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Yep.
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RoyaLKurTx3 said:
Yep.
Press THANKS if I helped!
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wiered it needs more researching .. mate knox flag is nearly impossible to reset and you are sayin flashing a stock rom twice fixes it !!

[Q] Unable to use Knox Apps after root.

Hello everyone, newbie here.
I rooted my Note 3 a while back and tripped my Knox counter to 0x1. I have a lot of files I had stored in Knox and currently unable to access the Knox app at all.
Is there anyway I could recover or backup these files in a way?
I previously emailed samsung and they responded with a definitive NO.
Please help!

knaider said:
Hello everyone, newbie here.
I rooted my Note 3 a while back and tripped my Knox counter to 0x1. I have a lot of files I had stored in Knox and currently unable to access the Knox app at all.
Is there anyway I could recover or backup these files in a way?
I previously emailed samsung and they responded with a definitive NO.
Please help!
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Knox is disabled when you modify or root your device!
Titanium backup your knox, reset or flash new firmware then root again and restore knox.
Or... Google it for millions of solutions....

knaider said:
Hello everyone, newbie here.
I rooted my Note 3 a while back and tripped my Knox counter to 0x1. I have a lot of files I had stored in Knox and currently unable to access the Knox app at all.
Is there anyway I could recover or backup these files in a way?
I previously emailed samsung and they responded with a definitive NO.
Please help!
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Crap, seriously that is a disaster.
Knox is an encrypted container, everything inside it is encrypted with special private key set up first time you use Knox. The security warranty of Knox is that every attempt to modify/tamper the phone even if they are successful SHOULD NOT be able to read what inside Knox, thus those attempts will result in deletion of such private key and also mark it Knox 0x1.
Private key will be generated new if Knox can be re-establish, for that u need to contact Samsung Center, even with new private key NO ONE will ever be able to recover the old data (thus new key for new data).
The premise is that no one on earth should be able to do recover corrupted Knox otherwise Knox will never get that certificate to be used on Enterprise business in US.
Losing that private key is the same as complete wipe out of your data, in other words it is there in encrypted bits but it is no longer readable by anyone on earth.

f_u_006 said:
Knox is disabled when you modify or root your device!
Titanium backup your knox, reset or flash new firmware then root again and restore knox.
Or... Google it for millions of solutions....
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Are you positive this would work? I have tried to google but haven't found ONE single article about this.

Knox security container is disabled FOREVER once you root your device...
As you can gain root access then you can also, theoretically, gain access to the knox container. You still have Knox floating around like a bad smell telling you that apps are trying to access root directory and stopping this from happening but it is now a useless app...

ultramag69 said:
Knox security container is disabled FOREVER once you root your device...
As you can gain root access then you can also, theoretically, gain access to the knox container. You still have Knox floating around like a bad smell telling you that apps are trying to access root directory and stopping this from happening but it is now a useless app...
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So there's absolutely nothing i can do?

Yep. In other words. Sorry to hear ur experience.
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I'm fairly sure there was a warning about this in the Root threads...
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knaider said:
Hello everyone, newbie here.
I rooted my Note 3 a while back and tripped my Knox counter to 0x1. I have a lot of files I had stored in Knox and currently unable to access the Knox app at all.
Is there anyway I could recover or backup these files in a way?
I previously emailed samsung and they responded with a definitive NO.
Please help!
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ShadowLea said:
I'm fairly sure there was a warning about this in the Root threads...
Send From My Samsung Galaxy Note 3 N9005 Using Tapatalk
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Yes. it is stated (assuming OP using CF-autoroot, because he never wrote which method he used to root his device).
From CF-Autoroot OP :
"The KNOX warranty status change is permanent, and a service center may deny warranty based on this flag - even if the other flags are reset correctly. The KNOX flag being tripped may also prevent certain Samsung KNOX features from working (enterprise security features). If this is something you care about, use a root method not based on custom kernels or recoveries, like a modified system partition. These are possible, but I don't personally make them, so look around!"

I have same problem too after root. So if i unroot, can i make Knox working again? I have ~10GB personal data in it. I have to recover them.
There should be a way...
P.S : Knox app still installed. Still has a shortcut on notification bar. When i access it flashes up and returning back. I upgraded from Knox v1 to v2, one or two week ago. Old knox app still exits in app manager and appdrawer. But cant access old one alrady. AppMonster backed up install files. Tried to install again. It was succesful. But still same...
{
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"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
And containers still in appmanager...

It's about flash counter i guess...
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog...ox-enabled-devices-and-knox-warranty-void-bit
There are two possible scenarios:
A new KNOX container can no longer be created on such a device
The data encrypted and stored in an existing KNOX container can no longer be retrieved
Everything else outside the container should work just as before.
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Can i reset that counter? On download mode knox warranty count is 1. If i do that maybe it'll wotk again. I never loose my hope ^_^

mehmetalidemir said:
It's about flash counter i guess...
https://www.samsungknox.com/en/blog...ox-enabled-devices-and-knox-warranty-void-bit
Can i reset that counter? On download mode knox warranty count is 1. If i do that maybe it'll wotk again. I never loose my hope ^_^
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On Snapdragon devices there is no way to reset knox counter, at least yet, but propably will never be. About Exynos I can't say since I don't own any.
When Knox Warranty Void is 0x1, you can't use Knox or recover data thats been there EVER.
Knox works just like it should in this case. You people should read, read, and read much more before you do anything with your devices, at least if you really don't know what you are doing.

First thing I did when I purchased my phone was root and uninstall bloatware, that included Knox.
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maxilick said:
First thing I did when I purchased my phone was root and uninstall bloatware, that included Knox. I'll never have the same problem as the op.
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Spere said:
On Snapdragon devices there is no way to reset knox counter, at least yet, but propably will never be. About Exynos I can't say since I don't own any.
When Knox Warranty Void is 0x1, you can't use Knox or recover data thats been there EVER.
Knox works just like it should in this case. You people should read, read, and read much more before you do anything with your devices, at least if you really don't know what you are doing.
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Thanks... I have Note 3 with Exynos. I should search more than...

maxilick said:
First thing I did when I purchased my phone was root and uninstall bloatware, that included Knox. Proactive approach I say.
Sent from my U30GT 2 using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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mehmetalidemir said:
Thanks... I have Note 3 with Exynos. I should search more than...
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Since you are running on Exynos, read these two posts if they can help you:
Post 1 | Post 2
I still think that no matter what you do, you can't restore content from "locked" KNOX container.

Spere said:
Since you are running on Exynos, read these two posts if they can help you:
Post 1 | Post 2
I still think that no matter what you do, you can't restore content from "locked" KNOX container.
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It's all about modified system. I thought if i reset that counter without wipe, i can use it again... I did. Resetted counter. But still same. Followed that guide. System now untouched. All Knox data has gone... Nothing to do. I won't use it anymore... Thanks guys.

If you performed a KNOX backup from WITHIN the KNOX container, then you can restore that to another KNOX-compatible phone that DOES NOT have the KNOX counter at 0x1. This is the ONLY way to get KNOX data back.
The filename for a KNOX backup will be called KnoxBackup_KNOX.zip and will be stored on the phone or external storage - do a search for the filename.
That is it...end of story.

Rooted SM-N910T - What works and what doesn't work with rooted N4 with LOLLIPOP,...!

Thread Updated - This Thread is now about "What works and what doesn't with LOLLIPOP
> Flashable External SD Card Fix now included in the Guide...
Since it is officially confirmed that we have root and it is working perfectly...
Source: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2897428
Step by Step Root & Recovery Guide: http://forum.xda-developers.com/not...vu1anih-cf-t2903733/post55989825#post55989825
Please post here what works and what doesn't work with a rooted T-Mobile N4...
For example... Is Xposed working? Wanam? Wifi Tether Router?... Etc...
Please post list of Working Xposed Modules...
Example of what I have on my N3:
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
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Awesome idea! I won't be getting mine until Thursday, so I'd love to see all of you lucky ones that get it tomorrow post up.

New ROOT Guide created... http://forum.xda-developers.com/not...vu1anih-cf-t2903733/post55989825#post55989825

Will this trigger the Knox flag?

fcb1 said:
Will this trigger the Knox flag?
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yes, it will.

TEKHD said:
yes, it will.
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If I'm not mistaken a way to root came out for the note 3 without triggering Knox correct? Think it'll come out for the note 4 eventually? Probably will take a while since it hasn't even come out yet

fcb1 said:
If I'm not mistaken a way to root came out for the note 3 without triggering Knox correct? Think it'll come out for the note 4 eventually? Probably will take a while since it hasn't even come out yet
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Yes, it was called root de la vega... But, honestly... Don't hold your breath... Root de la vega was working on an earlier rom version of the Note 3... After that... Samsung patched the roms, and there has been nothing ever since...

TEKHD said:
Yes, it was called root de la vega... But, honestly... Don't hold your breath... Root de la vega was working on an earlier rom version of the Note 3... After that... Samsung patched the roms, and there has been nothing ever since...
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Such a shame at what Samsung has done. They were so friendly up until the s4. We'll see I'll test drive the note make sure everything is in proper order then root it. Has samsung been known to honor warranty with the flag set if it's obvious manufacture defect?

fcb1 said:
Such a shame at what Samsung has done. They were so friendly up until the s4. We'll see I'll test drive the note make sure everything is in proper order then root it. Has samsung been known to honor warranty with the flag set if it's obvious manufacture defect?
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It depends on the country from what i understand..
Imo if you show them that you know your rights, then you can "make" them honor their warranty...
And always always ask to speak with the manager...
Researching your rights as a consumer on the web (depending on your country) also helps a lot.
Im 90% certain that there's a EU directive that forbids sammy to pull these bull____ on us... Especially if we are asking them to fix a defect that is non-knox related...

In my other Samsung devices, rooting by Chainfire disabled screen mirroring. Can someone who has rooted check that, please?

friedrich420 said:
It depends on the country from what i understand..
Imo if you show them that you know your rights, then you can "make" them honor their warranty...
And always always ask to speak with the manager...
Researching your rights as a consumer on the web (depending on your country) also helps a lot.
Im 90% certain that there's a EU directive that forbids sammy to pull these bull____ on us... Especially if we are asking them to fix a defect that is non-knox related...
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Any luck with that in the U.S.?

fcb1 said:
Any luck with that in the U.S.?
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i wish i were there to know

friedrich420 said:
i wish i were there to know
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Lol I'll start my research [emoji14]

it depends on the carrier, and how you talk to them about your issue; I have NEVER had a warranty issue for ANY phone, and that was with Sprint, ATT, and now T-Mobile. Can't speak to Verizon, as I hate them with a passion, and wouldn't take a free phone if they offerred one.
every time I returned a phone for a warranty issue, they were always unlocked, rooted, or s-off
here again, if you are nice, and polite, you shouldn't have issues
if you come across as a jerk, well, you know what will happen..

TEKHD said:
Yes, it was called root de la vega... But, honestly... Don't hold your breath... Root de la vega was working on an earlier rom version of the Note 3... After that... Samsung patched the roms, and there has been nothing ever since...
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Actually, there were other methods after root de la vega. I have a method here for the Note 3 that uses towelroot and an older vulnerable kernel. You simply flash the older kernel in odin, use towelroot, then flash the new current kernel back and you're rooted.
Don't think of Knox being tripped as a loss of warranty- think of it as a loss of Knox! Knox is an app on your phone that will no longer work (ever!) if you trip Knox. Research Knox and make sure you have no need for it before you decide to get rid of that functionality. If you work at a company that lets you use your own phone to receive work e-mail etc and would like to keep apps and e-mail on a separate secure container "work side" of your phone (Knox) then don't trip Knox. If you don't care about Knox, trip it and forget it.
It's just not fair to people to leave this valuable piece of information out when telling them to root or in the how-to root threads. They can't revert after the case and some don't realize they need it until they present their phones to their IT staff at work and are told their phone's Knox integrity has been compromised -meaning it's no longer able to be used for that purpose (Knox warranty 0x1). Also, if you just want a secure container for some personal apps and pics etc, you can use that Knox container for that without actually using any work information.
Here's a quick video to demonstrate Knox 2.0s use.

effortless said:
Actually, there were other methods after root de la vega. I have a method here for the Note 3 that uses towelroot and an older vulnerable kernel. You simply flash the older kerenel in odin, use towelroot, then flash the new current kernel back and you're rooted.
Don't think of Knox being tripped as a loss of warranty- think of it as a loss of Knox! Knox is an app on your phone that will no longer work (ever!) if you trip Knox. Research Knox and make sure you have no need for it before you decide to get rid of that functionality. If you work at a company that lets you use your own phone to receive work e-mail etc and would like to keep apps and e-mail on a separate secure container "work side" of your phone (Knox) then don't trip Knox. If you don't care about Knox, trip it and forget it.
It's just not fair to people to leave this valuable piece of information out when telling them to root or in the how-to root threads. They can't revert after the case and some don't realize they need it until they present their phones to their IT staff at work and are told their phone's Knox integrity has been compromised -meaning it's no longer able to be used for that purpose (Knox warranty 0x1). Also, if you just want a secure container for some personal apps and pics etc, you can use that Knox container for that without actually using any work information.
Here's a quick video to demonstrate Knox 2.0s use.
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I will link this post on the root guide... Thank you!
Also...
External SD Card Fix now on post #2 here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/not...sy-steps-stock-odin-n910tuvu1anih-cf-t2903733

Well I got xposed and wanam installed. Haven't tried a lot with wanam yet but no more am/pm is working. .lol

bblanski said:
Well I got xposed and wanam installed. Haven't tried a lot with wanam yet but no more am/pm is working. .lol
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You are actually the first one here posting input about the rooted N4... lol... thank you!

TEKHD said:
I will link this post on the root guide... Thank you!
Also...
External SD Card Fix now on post #2 here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/not...sy-steps-stock-odin-n910tuvu1anih-cf-t2903733
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Couldn't you just install this?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=nextapp.sdfix&hl=en

twe90kid said:
Couldn't you just install this?
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=nextapp.sdfix&hl=en
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Sure... but the fix is a clean/direct fix.. no app, no nothing. Directly to the real cause. No scars, no leftovers...

Does this look dodgy?

Hi everyone,
I've been on holiday and come back and found my missus has ordered a Samsung Galaxy S5 SM-G901F from ebay for my eldest kid. Now I don't like buying mobiles on ebay as I find that some are a somewhat iffy or risky, but the missus wasn't aware of this risk. Anyway to cut a long story short she did check mend, imei.info checks and all that seem to be fine. She's even already registered the phone on the police immobilize website.
However now that I've had time to take a look at the phone, although it seems to have been factory reset, there are a few processes running that look a bit dodgy for me. Therefore I would be most grateful if someone could clarify these are safe and if there is anything I need to do to make sure that the device has not got any malware or software that possibly can lock down the phone.
SETTINGS>DEVICE ADMINISTRATORS:-
Android Device Manager - not Active
Lookout - not Active
Computrace security policy - not Active
SETTINGS>DOWNLOADED:-
sec.abt
SETTINGS>RUNNING:-
sec.abt
SecurityManagerService
com.sec.bcservice
IPsec Service
These settings and processes could all be innocent, but I'd rather be safe than sorry as the last thing I want is someone 6 months later remotely blocking the phone or being able to locate the phone.
If anyone can recommend an app or any other tool that I can use to scan for any malware/device locking software as a precaution, then please let me know ASAP.
Thanks in Advance

I don't know about Computrace Security, but Lookout shouldn't be on ANY phone.

Those look like the typical running processes that run on samsung phones. I had the same ones on my GS5, but was able to uninstall (or freeze) them after I rooted the phone.

Thanks rekt & mike. How can I be definitely sure there is nothing iffy?? Is there a way of scanning for device locking software???

Anyone have anymore detailed information please? What can I do to make sure this device doesn't have any hidden software?

wowandroid said:
Anyone have anymore detailed information please? What can I do to make sure this device doesn't have any hidden software?
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flash yourself a rom (stock or otherwise) and do a full wipe. Then you'll be definitely sure
To respond to your original question, those services look normal. Samsung puts lots of security stuff on their phones. Lookout is Samsung's security software (used to be called KNOX)
IPsec service is built into android. Computers have it too.
I'd still wipe and flash something else, just to be sure. It's the first thing I did when I got my G900T. That being said, most used phones come from people that never did any rooting/flashing/etc so I'm sure you're fine.

Sean89us said:
flash yourself a rom (stock or otherwise) and do a full wipe. Then you'll be definitely sure
To respond to your original question, those services look normal. Samsung puts lots of security stuff on their phones. Lookout is Samsung's security software (used to be called KNOX)
IPsec service is built into android. Computers have it too.
I'd still wipe and flash something else, just to be sure. It's the first thing I did when I got my G900T. That being said, most used phones come from people that never did any rooting/flashing/etc so I'm sure you're fine.
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Thank you Sean, Is it possible to keep the original rom, rather than a custom rom? it's under warranty with samsung until 2017 and I believe flashing a rom would void the warranty.
Currently the rom installed on the phone is:- ktu84p.g901fxxu1ank3 which I assume is the original rom.

wowandroid said:
Thank you Sean, Is it possible to keep the original rom, rather than a custom rom? it's under warranty with samsung until 2017 and I believe flashing a rom would void the warranty.
Currently the rom installed on the phone is:- ktu84p.g901fxxu1ank3 which I assume is the original rom.
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Of course!
Just find the latest stock rom from Sammobile.com, and flash using odin.
Link for stock roms:
http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/database/SM-G901F/
Here's a good how-to:
http://androidxda.com/flash-samsung-stock-rom-using-odin
Link for latest Odin:
http://odindownloader.com/

You can go to one of the Samsung firmware hosting sites and download the same firmware that you currently have, then flash it with Odin (via pc).....
No messing about with rooting or modding required......
Sent from my rooted, debloated stocKK kn0x0 SM-G900F

Thanks very much sean, but would this void my warranty???

If your warranty is still intact (knox indicator at 0x0) flashing with Odin will have NO effect on it......
Sent from my rooted, debloated stocKK kn0x0 SM-G900F

keithross39 said:
If your warranty is still intact (knox indicator at 0x0) flashing with Odin will have NO effect on it......
Sent from my rooted, debloated stocKK kn0x0 SM-G900F
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Thanks Keith, apologies, but where is this knox indicator? Also is there a guide I could follow to help me flash the new o/s???

wowandroid said:
Thanks Keith, apologies, but where is this knox indicator? Also is there a guide I could follow to help me flash the new o/s???
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I included a link with a guide along with my last post...
download your stock image from sammobile, download latest odin, put phone in download mode, connect usb, then use odin from your pc to flash the image.
When you put your phone into download mode, it will give you the status of the warranty bit. 0x0 means it's still valid.

wowandroid said:
Thanks Keith, apologies, but where is this knox indicator? Also is there a guide I could follow to help me flash the new o/s???
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Get your phone into download mode and look for this text at the top left of the screen........
{
"lightbox_close": "Close",
"lightbox_next": "Next",
"lightbox_previous": "Previous",
"lightbox_error": "The requested content cannot be loaded. Please try again later.",
"lightbox_start_slideshow": "Start slideshow",
"lightbox_stop_slideshow": "Stop slideshow",
"lightbox_full_screen": "Full screen",
"lightbox_thumbnails": "Thumbnails",
"lightbox_download": "Download",
"lightbox_share": "Share",
"lightbox_zoom": "Zoom",
"lightbox_new_window": "New window",
"lightbox_toggle_sidebar": "Toggle sidebar"
}
As the previous poster said, if the 'knox warranty void' line says 0x0, your warranty is good.......
Sent from my rooted, debloated stocKK kn0x0 SM-G900F

Thank you for your help guys. Really sorry for the late reply as I haven't been very well. Yes, when I put the phone in download mode, the warranty void say 0x0. I flashed the stock fw (G901FXXU1BOC4_G901FEVR1BOC4_EVR) which was for my phone. Odin 3.10.7 seems to have successfully flashed it as it said "PASSED". However when the phone rebooted, all my settings such as wi-fi passwords and the way I had set the apps originally were still there! Is this normal? I feel the fw never properly flashed.
Can anyone help me? Thanks!

Anyone be able to help? Thanks!

I think the firmware flashed correctly as you said.....The only time odin wipes any data is if you flash a 3 part 'test' firmware or if you flash a pit file.....
That type of firmware isn't commonly available.....I've only ever seen them for the S2 and one of the Notes.......
So you finding user data intact is probably more common than you think....
The user data would have disappeared if you'd had to factory reset after the flash, but as you didn't have to, it's still there...
I doubt there's anything to worry about unless you start to see instability on your phone.....In which case, factory reseting is probably advisable......
Sent from my rooted, debloated stocKK kn0x0 SM-G900F

I Thanks again Keith. I have a dodgy charging port, so got it repaired and reflashed again last night and this time it wiped out everything. I also went into recovery mode and did factory/cache wipe and this has now given me a totally fresh firmware.
But the sec.Abt file in downloads is still there so I assume this is a safe file that Google or Samsung download to your phone?

Just done a bit of digging via Google and although nobody seems to know what it does, it does seem to have been downloaded to other Samsung devices too.....
From what I read, it seems to be confined to Lollipop firmwares. So if you're worried about it, a flash back to KitKat might get rid of it......
Sent from my rooted, debloated stocKK kn0x0 SM-G900F
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Just done a full system search on my device using Root Explorer (I'm running KitKat) and the search returned no results.....so I'm inclined to believe that this file is part of a Samsung Lollipop firmware.......
Sent from my rooted, debloated stocKK kn0x0 SM-G900F

Thanks very much Keith. I guess I'm being a bit too paranoid. I best leave it at that and be happy, but much appreciate the help and advice given.
I know this doesn't relate to the topic, but I have a couple more issues that I need clarifying and would be most grateful if these could be resolved:-
1. The Samsung S5 runs extremely hot - even though it seems to hardly do anything. I noticed that the ram being used is approx 1.3gb out of 1.8gb, but I can't clear it like in previous phones...can you recommend any app thats good at killing any tasks?
2. Even though I've got a new charging port, it still seems that the USB cable is somewhat loose, although not as bad as what I had previously...any suggestions on what could be done about this?
3. Does rooting void warranty?