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Google may come out with its Nexus Tablet. New rumors are saying it could be targeting Kindle Fire.
7-inch, Android 4.0, and <$199
What do you think? I don't think its gonna happen.
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Someone puts out a tablet of decent quality that is a WiFi based 7" form factor with GPS and basic front facing camera and a mic along the lines of a KF and they are going to sell... Heck I would look at it.
I'd be all over that, but it is way to good to be true, so I'm not resting any hopes on it becoming reality.
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It would definately be nice, but if it really does happen it could help on development for our devices as well so I say go for it google.
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Seems too good to be true, but I'd give it a look. I wonder if they'd have to sell it at a loss with those numbers (specs/price).
I could see them wanting to to push Google Books, Google mp3's, the Android Market and other Google services. The problem is to have a "true" Google Experience device it would need GPS(for Google Nav), a camera(for Google Face unlocker and other stuff - probably front and back Cam's(You Tube)) , NFC (for Google Wallet). etc., etc. Overall a fully feature packed high end tablet with cutting edge specs.
It would probably cost them $300 to make it. I just don't see any way they would bother to build it to put it up against the Kindle Fire at $199. I also can't imagine them building a "Google" tablet anyway as it would destroy it's software partners tablet market.
I'd drop my fire in a second if this happened, but I'm not holding my breath.
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I'd drop my fire in a second if this happened, but I'm not holding my breath.
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I wouldn't drop my kindle, but I'd definitely be interested in purchasing a Google tablet.
Yeah, not without an otterbox defender case on
A Google Experience tablet, the same price as the Fire?
I'd sell mine on eBay as soon as the "Nexus" tablet was confirmed to be real. If you wait until it's released, the market would be flooded with used Fires, dropping its value significantly.
I would buy this quickly if it had good build quality and didn't have a locked bootloader
I don't really care. I like my Fire and I'm keeping it.
Would definitely buy it but don't believe it would happen.
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Hey guys!
Not to burst everyones' bubble, but the original source of this rumor is a less than reputable news site (DigiTimes). I don't doubt that Google is going to release a Nexus tablet, but it will be more along the lines of what Eric Schmidt said back in December - "In the next six months we plan to market a tablet of the highest quality". The Nexus line has always been Google's premium line, and with that there has always been a premium price tag.
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http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20120104PD212.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/Innovation...Google-tablet-takes-aim-at-Kindle-Fire-report
^Exactly. There's no way such a device would come in under $200 based on that. I'd still consider one but I bought the KF because of the price and value. I don't see Google topping that ratio.
However, for an early upgrade offer from Verizon and I'm getting a Galaxy Nexus, dammit!
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id buy it...
I am thinking about switching from my rooted KF to a Nexus 7.
I like the increased processing power and memory along with BT and a GPS chip.
Getting Jelly Bean is icing on the tablet.
I will use my KF as a permanenty hooked Pandora player for me home audio system.
Anyone else thinking about switching from KF to Nexus 7?
Absolutely NOT.... lol
I am currently selling my 2 iPods on CL, I'm hoping not to sell my Kindle Fire, but I might have too.
I really want the Nexus 7
Cl8rs said:
I am currently selling my 2 iPods on CL, I'm hoping not to sell my Kindle Fire, but I might have too.
I really want the Nexus 7
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I would wait to see what a 2nd generation Kindle Fire would have to offer.
I'm torn between selling my KF, keeping it, and getting the Nexus 7 (N7).
I decided I'd wait for Amazon to respond with their KF2. Though I can use USB OTG on both the KF and N7, is KF2 had the addition of Bluetooth, GPS, Camera, Mic, and a Micro SD card slot, then this could be a real new competitor.
Also, I really dislike how slow the internal memory on the KF is.
I sold my kf yesterday and pre ordered a nexus on launch day. I would have waited for the kindle fire 2 but I have a feeling the kf2 could have a locked boot loader.
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im just gonna give my mom my kindle fire and buy the n7 when it comes out. can't wait
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... and a Micro SD card slot, then this could be a real new competitor.
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where does it say it has a SD slot?
altitude909 said:
where does it say it has a SD slot?
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He's saying if it does it will be a good competitor.
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i have a Nexus 7 on pre-order (through JR.com no tax free shipping, before the Slickdeals effect rippled through, we'll see if the pre-order actually sticks), but am tossed up on whether to sell the KF or simply keep it b/c i bought it during the last $139 refurbished Amazon sale and it's still awesome w/ the various CM9 ROMs and great Dev support here. truth be told, the KF w/ CM9 (currently running twa_priv's SGT7 build) does everything i need. don't need the mic or front camera, KF is more than snappy enough for my daily use, screen resolution @ my normal viewing distances is perfectly fine, etc.
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i have a Nexus 7 on pre-order (through JR.com no tax free shipping, before the Slickdeals effect rippled through, we'll see if the pre-order actually sticks), but am tossed up on whether to sell the KF or simply keep it b/c i bought it during the last $139 refurbished Amazon sale and it's still awesome w/ the various CM9 ROMs and great Dev support here. truth be told, the KF w/ CM9 (currently running twa_priv's SGT7 build) does everything i need. don't need the mic or front camera, KF is more than snappy enough for my daily use, screen resolution @ my normal viewing distances is perfectly fine, etc.
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Same here. I want the Nexus 7 just because its a nexus, but considering how little I use my KF its not worth the time/effort to sell it and buy a N7
I'll definitely be going after the Nexus tab... Worth it for the "Nexus" part at the least... Going to roll the fire back to stock and give it to a relative...
I preordered because I know the development is gonna be super alive. I'm keeping my kfire cuz it was cheap but the N7 is everything I wish the kfire was. I love what the kfire has become but I need bluetooth, I've learned to live without it but its something I've had a hard tine letting go.
I have 4 otg cables and multiple usb drives and bluetooth adapters. I'm dedicated, but still miss certain features lol
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I love the KF especially due to all the hard work hascode and everyone else have put into getting ICS to work, but I pre-ordered the N7 as soon as I could. The N7 is closer to what I want in a tab. I'm going to let the kids use the KF for a gaming platform and I'll continue to flash the latest and greatest builds on it.
im not switching because im way too caught up in porting JellyBean.... Maybe sometime later i will CONSIDER the Nexus 7
sod it i'm having both (if i can install new motherboard on bricked one)
the kindle is a great device for tinkering/learning but that N7 look's super
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shravbits said:
im not switching because im way too caught up in porting JellyBean.... Maybe sometime later i will CONSIDER the Nexus 7
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if u get a port working, props. but things will be easier in a week or two.
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If I could get a good price for my Fire, I would sell it, but some "dealer" is flooding CL with $75-80 Kindle Fire's, so there is no chance of getting a good price for it.
So if I'm going to buy a tablet outright again, it has to have everything I want...which means MicroSD/SD slot. No more compromises for me.
I am saving up for a surface pro. Kindle fire is my really portable tablet that does everything I need it to, I can't play prime on N7 and I don't own any google music. It's all on Amazon. I am not a fan of any particular corporation. I go with my needs and my need not to waste money. Kindle was the right prize last November and I didn't have a tablet. N7 is the right prize now but not the right time, I already have a table that does what I want. My next tablet will hopefully replace my aging laptop. (I hope!).
Not right now for me. KF does everything I need/want. I COULD use a FFC but I have my Rezound, laptop, and desktop for that so there's really no point. I'll put it this way: When a $199 tablet comes out with everything I want (N7 is missing removable storage), then I'll upgrade. As it stands, the N7 isn't a big enough leap forward.
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hey guys... im a frequent reader (not poster) of the forums and have a simple question. my mom broke my tf700 so i sent it in to squaretrade and the are reimbursing me $499.99 bc they can not fix it (first time using squaretrade and im very happy i insured it through them).
What should i replace it with? i loved the tf700 but i cant see myself spending $400ish on a devices thats a year and a half old.
i was thinking nexus 10 but the same problem as the tf700 comes into play... $400ish for a year old device. it would be a big disapointment to buy it and have the nexus 10.2 come out next month at CES. i understand that tech is always gettin better and ill always be waiting for the next upgrade and yada yada yada but a year old tablet at $400 is a little pushing it. The upside is that the device wouldnt need to be unlocked as it has the best rom on it (stock kitkat).
i was also thinking of the kindle fire hdx 8.9 bc that seems like the best bang for your buck at the moment. It has the newest and best hardware out and is getting great reviews. the only problem with the hdx is that the bootloader isnt unlocked and who knows if it will eventually be (i have faith but i dont wanna drop $400 soley on faith). if i get the hdx it is a must that it would have to be on a custom rom as i cant stand the mojito rom amazon uses.
so pretty much my question is what would you buy if you were on the market for a tablet today???
PS- what is you guys opinions on 7" tablets?? i think 10" is where the swet spot is but if you guys can persuade me otherwise.
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hey guys... im a frequent reader (not poster) of the forums and have a simple question. my mom broke my tf700 so i sent it in to squaretrade and the are reimbursing me $499.99 bc they can not fix it (first time using squaretrade and im very happy i insured it through them).
What should i replace it with? i loved the tf700 but i cant see myself spending $400ish on a devices thats a year and a half old.
i was thinking nexus 10 but the same problem as the tf700 comes into play... $400ish for a year old device. it would be a big disapointment to buy it and have the nexus 10.2 come out next month at CES. i understand that tech is always gettin better and ill always be waiting for the next upgrade and yada yada yada but a year old tablet at $400 is a little pushing it. The upside is that the device wouldnt need to be unlocked as it has the best rom on it (stock kitkat).
i was also thinking of the kindle fire hdx 8.9 bc that seems like the best bang for your buck at the moment. It has the newest and best hardware out and is getting great reviews. the only problem with the hdx is that the bootloader isnt unlocked and who knows if it will eventually be (i have faith but i dont wanna drop $400 soley on faith). if i get the hdx it is a must that it would have to be on a custom rom as i cant stand the mojito rom amazon uses.
so pretty much my question is what would you buy if you were on the market for a tablet today???
PS- what is you guys opinions on 7" tablets?? i think 10" is where the swet spot is but if you guys can persuade me otherwise.
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I think the Nexus 10 will suit your needs. Seriously it is really good. Even after a year. Its still a high end tablet. Maybe you should wait till the end of the month to see if the new n10 will be announced/released. But to this day only rumours suggested it would come. Nothing in sight yet.
I personally hate 7" tablets. They are just phones that are too big and hij cant call with them. I mean: too big for a phone too small for a tablet. But thats just my opinion.
I own a Nexus 10 and love it. Especially with art. I really recommend it if you are searching for a 10" tablet.
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I think the Nexus 10 will suit your needs. Seriously it is really good. Even after a year. Its still a high end tablet. Maybe you should wait till the end of the month to see if the new n10 will be announced/released. But to this day only rumours suggested it would come. Nothing in sight yet.
I personally hate 7" tablets. They are just phones that are too big and hij cant call with them. I mean: too big for a phone too small for a tablet. But thats just my opinion.
I own a Nexus 10 and love it. Especially with art. I really recommend it if you are searching for a 10" tablet.
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thanks a lot for you input... i really appreciate it. any thoughts on the kindle???
Hi,
While I think that Kindle tablet is really interesting, if you want to see deeper development it isn't the best choice, as you said it probably won't have the bootloader unlocked, while on Nexus 10 you just type "fastboot oem unlock" and it's done haha! The tablet you had before is a 10" tablet, so I think you'll have a better time with another 10" tablet .
Also don't really worry about the tablet age, while everything new will appear almost every month, that doesn't mean the older are bad! I have a Xoom that mom broke the display, so I got Nexus 10, both are amazing devices, while Nexus 10 is way more powerful, I can still use my Xoom on HDMI with no problems . It's just a matter of adaptation, then you won't invest "useless money" if you understand what I mean .
In other words of my adaptation metaphor. Go for one tablet that is good enough and has a good development community, then you're assured that it will last a good long life hehe.
~Lord
What about gtab 8.3?
thanks for all the feedback guys... i went for the kindle fire. Amazon extended the return period until jan 30 so i have just about 50 days to tinker with it and decide if shes a keeper. i was just stunned at the screen the kindle had. it simply is beautiful. the nexus 10 was the best android screen but i think the kindle now has the best tablet scrren in the world (ipad included). just hoping that the bootloader gets unlocked bc i dont know if i can stand this fire os crap. that is by far the only flaw i can think of on this bad boy, however, it is a big one!!
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thanks for all the feedback guys... i went for the kindle fire. Amazon extended the return period until jan 30 so i have just about 50 days to tinker with it and decide if shes a keeper. i was just stunned at the screen the kindle had. it simply is beautiful. the nexus 10 was the best android screen but i think the kindle now has the best tablet scrren in the world (ipad included). just hoping that the bootloader gets unlocked bc i dont know if i can stand this fire os crap. that is by far the only flaw i can think of on this bad boy, however, it is a big one!!
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I was going to suggest the new TF701T or Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 as possibilities. If you're okay with Apple, the iPad Air looks nice and is the lightest 10" tablet out there now.
I really want to get this tablet but my only gripe with it is the lack of development support on this compared to the nexus 7 (no offence to anyone who works hard on this tablet). This will be my first tablet since the ipad 1st gen but i have had the razr hd and s4 which have had a lot of support for roms and customization. Would you recommend this tablet over the nexus 7?
edit: Kijiji has a blacklisted hdx fire 8.9 for $200 is it worth getting and will it still work if I can get google play store installed on it, or is it too good to be true?
I was bought the hdx7 for Christmas by my partner. I like my tech, but I think I would have rather had the nexus.
After about a week I got fed up with the carousel and amazon app store and the complete removal of google so I decided to give modding a go using some of the guides on this site.
I gotta say, If I had a nexus, I wouldn't have bothered modding it, but the Fire has been a fun, anger filled experience.
The 7 you can defo get google apps running on as mine runs perfectly well now, the 8.9, as I understand isn't as developed as the 7, but I'm sure I saw that people have rooted at least. Check about the forum
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I was bought the hdx7 for Christmas by my partner. I like my tech, but I think I would have rather had the nexus.
After about a week I got fed up with the carousel and amazon app store and the complete removal of google so I decided to give modding a go using some of the guides on this site.
I gotta say, If I had a nexus, I wouldn't have bothered modding it, but the Fire has been a fun, anger filled experience.
The 7 you can defo get google apps running on as mine runs perfectly well now, the 8.9, as I understand isn't as developed as the 7, but I'm sure I saw that people have rooted at least. Check about the forum
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The hdx 7 and 8.9 are both about equal right now. You can do pretty much what you want with google apps. It's just that you will most likely lose some amazon apps and at least the amazon app store. With multiple "roms" or a script you can switch between stock amazon and gapps on the 7" but mostly it's not all perfect yet. However, many people are happy with the current state of "mostly works" and so we aren't seeing much new development. It's nice being able to use some of the amazon stuff... and the kindle hdx hardware is excellent.
A nexus 7 should not disappoint and will not be as much of a headache. One click root and full recovery options are definately luxuries we wish the kindle could be afforded. Not to mention real roms that can use the entirety of the storage of the device. When/if the Kindle is fully sorted out, I'd say it will be better because of the hardware... until then, there is a lot of painful work around.
yes I would, the hdx has a snapdragon 800 in it while the 7 has only the old APQ8064 ,the GPU part is quite a deference.
and hdx will have original android sooner or later.
i have both and latest iPad Air
i received a gift this year to spend on tech and got an iPad Air, a Nexus 7 and a 7 Fire HDX. (i could get both N7 and HDX for price of iPad Mini) I'm pretty much an apple fan-boy (i've built 3 or 4 hackintoshes, have a MacBook Pro, wife has an MBP Air, Apple TV, and airport's around the house for whole house music). i love the iPad Air - by far the finest piece of quality tech of the 3, but i seldom take it out of the house.
to run around with, i'm finding myself reaching for the N7. So far, I've had none of the QC issues that some sites are reporting. the stock interface i'm finding more useful than even the iPad Air, with the widgets and such. the OS is still not as bullet-proof as iOS, nor quite as smooth. but, it's come a long way from the first couple of years.
the HDX also feels like a quality piece of gear. the guts and specs are amazing. i really like the feel of the device, love the screen, the sound, and even like the button placement that others have complained about. i love amazon (have a prime membership) but FIREOS sucks. it's just not as intuitive and useful of an interface. the only person i'd recommend this to is someone who is totally new to tablets, only wants to view content, and is not tech davy. with Mayday it's basically the perfect device for my 77 year old mom. i'm going to hold on to my HDX for another month or so in hopes of a better custom ROM, but if nothing comes up it's going up for sale on craigslist.
if i could have only one, i'd have a really hard time parting with the N7. for the price, i think it's the best deal going.
I currently own both of these devices. The HDX beats the nexus 7 in sheer hardware pound for pound. PLUS the nexus 7 is plagued with touchscreen and wifi issues that have pissed me off pretty badly. The HDX with the google experience launcher and the playstore is fantastic. None of the general lag I got on the nexus 7. None of the hardware issues.
I get some backlight coming through the edges on both devices though. However the nexus 7 is worse.
The HDX has some problems with some apps.
The nexus 7 you can install many custom roms.
I hope this helps a bit. I do want to say one lats thing though, the HDX feels SOOO much smoother. I can literally feel the lag when tabbing through things on the nexus 7, the hdx has none of that. That's not to say that the nexus 7 is horribly laggy, it's just noticeable to me.
On a whim snagged a refurb Thor for $55 USD on Prime Day. Arrived in 'like new' condition (not a mark on it) with FireOS 13.3.2.5 which is fully unlockable. Score!
Might be from an older batch of unsold units. Still competes nicely in the shrinking field of premium 7" tabs.
The HDX 7 is definitely a better deal than the $50 Fire 7; it is so much more pleasant to use.
I'm afraid that the new old stock for 3rd gen HDXes has been cleared out. I was on the fence about the $70 3rd gen HDX 7 for a few days in early November (hoping it would go down to $55 on the seasonal sales) and then it sold out before Black Friday and only the $120 HDX 8.9 was left which I snapped. It did come absolutely new with english firmware but asian markings on the box.
I wasn't a fan of crazy-high PPI density (due to higher battery drain) but the difference with inferior PPI tablets and phones is drastically visible. If you want a universal device for consuming videos and text, that's definitely the device to get.
As much as I love the HDX 8.9, I wish I (also? instead?) bought the HDX 7. Even at $70 (pre-tax) it's a pretty good deal. At $55 it's an absolute steal.
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I'm afraid that the new old stock for 3rd gen HDXes has been cleared out. I was on the fence about the $70 3rd gen HDX 7 for a few days in early November (hoping it would go down to $55 on the seasonal sales) and then it sold out before Black Friday and only the $120 HDX 8.9 was left which I snapped. It did come absolutely new with english firmware but asian markings on the box.
I wasn't a fan of crazy-high PPI density (due to higher battery drain) but the difference with inferior PPI tablets and phones is drastically visible. If you want a universal device for consuming videos and text, that's definitely the device to get.
As much as I love the HDX 8.9, I wish I (also? instead?) bought the HDX 7. Even at $70 (pre-tax) it's a pretty good deal. At $55 it's an absolute steal.
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Warehouse deals come and go albeit with less frequency as devices age out. Keep checking. As you probably discovered both HDX models have powerful backlights due to panel density but are remarkably efficient and readable at lower settings. On the HDX 7 I found relatively small adjustments in brightness have a disproportionate impact on drain rate, especially at the lower end. I also use Xposed to expand the brightness scale; happily ramps down to 1% with no issues. Great for dark rooms. Plays nice with blue light filters too.
Yeah, last night I was looking up information on some e-ink Android readers and stumbled upon occasional sales for HDX devices at (now amazon-owned) woot.com, however I couldn't figure out what generation devices are sold at woot.
If you click the specs tab you will find the info you need. For example the HD 8.9 is a Jem (not Apollo, Thor, etc) from 2012. You can also cross reference using this link ... https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Fire-Tablet-Family/b?ie=UTF8&node=6669703011
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Yeah, last night I was looking up information on some e-ink Android readers and stumbled upon occasional sales for HDX devices at (now amazon-owned) woot.com, however I couldn't figure out what generation devices are sold at woot.
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If you click the specs tab you will find the info you need. For example the HD 8.9 is a Jem (not Apollo, Thor, etc) from 2012. You can also cross reference using this link ... https://www.amazon.com/Amazon-Fire-Tablet-Family/b?ie=UTF8&node=6669703011
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Or this page: https://developer.amazon.com/public...ications/01-device-and-feature-specifications
Thanks to this forum, I resurrected my old 32GB Thor by the downgrade to 4.5.5..1/Safestrap 4.01/CM11 in the stock slot method. I Iike it so much I was able to snag a used but pristine 16 GB Thor for 40 bucks from eBay.
Oddly, both consistently reboot themselves when screen auto-rotating on the most recent Fire Nexus ROM, but the CM11 ROM is fine. Now to unlock the bootloaders...
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Thanks to this forum, I resurrected my old 32GB Thor by the downgrade to 4.5.5..1/Safestrap 4.01/CM11 in the stock slot method. I Iike it so much I was able to snag a used but pristine 16 GB Thor for 40 bucks from eBay.
Oddly, both consistently reboot themselves when screen auto-rotating on the most recent Fire Nexus ROM, but the CM11 ROM is fine. Now to unlock the bootloaders...
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@Bawdy George - Nexus 4.0.5 or Fire Nexus HDX? The former is marked "discontinued" in the thread title.
@ggow - for awareness as Fire Nexus HDX (and/or CM 11) will likely stick around a bit longer for legacy SafeStrap v4 users who are unable to work through the bootloader unlock procedure.
I actually tried both. The older 4.05 worked, but I had Google Play store errors on that one I didn't feel like troubleshooting, especially since ggow released the newer kk-version which I knew was the one I should be using anyway. I assumed the reboots on screen rotation on that one were due to my error or that unit's hardware, but then it also happened on the second one. I'm pretty well-versed in Linux but this is my first foray digging into Android, and since I saw no reports of my issue I continue to assume it's a brain cramp on my part somewhere. And let me mention I have much respect for you guys here, since I do much troubleshooting of this type myself.
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I actually tried both. The older 4.05 worked, but I had Google Play store errors on that one I didn't feel like troubleshooting, especially since ggow released the newer kk-version which I knew was the one I should be using anyway. I assumed the reboots on screen rotation on that one were due to my error or that unit's hardware, but then it also happened on the second one. I'm pretty well-versed in Linux but this is my first foray digging into Android, and since I saw no reports of my issue I continue to assume it's a brain cramp on my part somewhere. And let me mention I have much respect for you guys here, since I do much troubleshooting of this type myself.
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Hum - don't have an immediate explanation as SafeStrap/Nexus is a popular config with no history of spontaneous rotation reboots. As you are pursuing unlocking the bootloader (and presumably a newer ROM build) let's see how that plays out. There is a bootloader patch that addresses various hardware/kernel anomalies but that carries some risk and may not be required.