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Got my Kindle all boxed up for return need some advice. (Having second thoughts)

Ive had my Fire a few days now and have done a lot of modding. Ive rooted it, installed TWRP, then CM7. Then gapps, market, etc. Then I decided I wanted to go back to rooted stock so I installed the prerooted 6.2.1 along with go launcher ex to have both the Amazon launcher and a more standard android interface, and be able to switch between the two. And no matter what way I set it up there was always something that just didnt work the way I wanted.
The main issue I had was that almost all video had out of sync audio. Internet videos, netflix. And I tried several different wi-fi connections. One of which is a very solid 20 mb/s connection to my laptop. I took my mother in laws samsung galaxy 7.0, set up the exact same video using the same wi-fi just to see if it might be the connection, and the galaxy was perfect, and the Fire just enough out of sync to be irritating.
So I set up a return with Amazon, got it back to full stock, and boxed it up. But now Im having second thoughts. I know how popular it is, and it seems like it has a lot of great developers working hard on roms. So Im wondering if I should just keep it, and hope that someone makes a fully functioning ICS port that fixes all the issues that are keeping this from being my ideal android tablet. Or should I go ahead and return it and cough up another $200 and get the Samsung galaxy plus.
Anyway I figured you guys would be the best ones to ask for advice regarding this. Thanks in advance for your feedback.

If it doesnt work for you, well, it doesnt! Thats that... Get an iPad 2 (seriously). The Android tabs despite their hardware specs arent that great currently.
/not trying to start a flame war here, i own several tablets and for me the iPad works best... YMMV
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I personally hate apple, plus I want a smaller tablet. I figure if im going to get a tablet that big I might as well just carry my laptop around.

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...I figure if im going to get a tablet that big I might as well just carry my laptop around.
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I have to agree, and the 4:3 aspect ratio of the iPad is annoying.
I'm confident ICS is coming to the Fire, but if you have the money to upgrade to the Galaxy, I would probably do that. Can't really complain for $200 on the Kindle, though. Plus Samsung had played games with customers before with promising updates and not delivering. So maybe I wouldn't go with it. Moto's new 8" tablet is appealing except for the fact that its tied to Verizon.
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Well if your having second thoughts, take it back. With a somewhat big purchase like that, you'd want to be 100% sure you like it. If you really want a small tablet get a cheap Asus tablet, or a small laptop that has a touch screen.

u have issues.
get what works for u, don't convince yourself to keep something u don't want. I sold my tf101 transformer too big for my taste, I don't watch videos on a 7" tab. the fire is awesome for me
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Well its gone. Boxed up and at the ups store.

Gam3r 4 Life I think I am right behind you.
I have used mine since Christmas day and although its a neat gadget its really neither a good reader nor a good tablet. It kinda lacks an identity. I emailed Amazon about their lack of TTS on the reader for this unit and their reply was pretty much "sorry.. you have 30 days to return it".
I guess for $200 I will just wait and see what comes down the road, and continue using my Samsnung Infuse for this kind of stuff. It has a 4" touch screen and I dont watch alot of videos anyway so it works ok for now.
Nice try Amazon, but I think you forced this thing to market without thinking it all the wary through. Maybe the next gen will be better. Well anyway I have another couple weeks to see if I can learn to like it. But at this point, I am thinking no.

I think the expectations might be too high. You're looking for the best of both worlds, and if you want media that you don't have to rip yourself, you're not going to get it on a rooted tablet, that's been made apparent by the MPAA. Netflix only runs on Silverlight or on platforms on which you don't have full access do the device where the studio's have guaranteed control of their media.
And given the limited RAM available on the Fire, it's not surprising that running a full sized ROM like CM7 could cause video issues when streaming. Probably not enough remaining RAM to buffer the video with CM7 running, that's my guess.
*IF* you want to get CM7 and then some other method of video streaming outside of Amazon, you'll need a more capable tablet like the Galaxy 7, Galaxy Plus, or the Flyer, and you'll need to pay a lot more for it up front to get the flexibility you want.

the 4:3 aspect ratio is the best feature of the ipad...
I hate how everything is 16:9 nowadays. it's terribly inefficient.
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I've always been curious about this.
My pro-Apple friends have argued the same thing, saying Apple has done tons of research and 4:3 is best for a tablet.
But 4:3 is one of the main reasons why I'd never buy an iPad. If entertainment media is one of the prime features of a tablet, why would I want a screen that has black bars on the top and bottom (effectively shrinking the screen size) whenever I'm watching hi-def widescreen video?

In general, android tablets compete on price. They are the Yugos of the tablet world compared to the Benz that Apple offers (at a Benz price, I might add)...and the fire does a heck of a job at $199. If it works for you at that price point, great...if not, well get an iPad.
I wouldn't recommend looking to replace the fire with another android tablet, however, because once rooted and sorted it really competes with the best of them.

Amacx86 said:
In general, android tablets compete on price. They are the Yugos of the tablet world compared to the Benz that Apple offers (at a Benz price, I might add)...and the fire does a heck of a job at $199. If it works for you at that price point, great...if not, well get an iPad.
I wouldn't recommend looking to replace the fire with another android tablet, however, because once rooted and sorted it really competes with the best of them.
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LOL, I had a Yugo!!! I bought it from a guy that needed to pay his rent for under $500. If I remember right his name was Billy Bob, or something like that (and the name fit). The only thing he requested to keep from the car was a shifter knob that looked exactly like a bathtub water knob. My mother and I drove it til the engine gave out at about 30,000 miles. Not bad for under $500.
Funny story, that thing was such a piece if junk that the shifter knob and handle use to pop off and you could see through to the ground through the floor. So my mother would call me and say it happened again. I would have to go rig it back on just so she could drive it again. My mom was such a good sport and never got mad about it, and laughed about it with me. (RIP).

You know the saying that your first idea/answer about something is usually the right one. Well that applies here. When I first decided to get a tablet I wanted the HTC EVO View. But I didnt want to have to add a data plan to my bill so I ended up with the Nook tablet. Then the nook color, then the vizio vtab, then the Coby kyros, then the Kindle fire. Well after all that Im back to the evo view and found it on amazon for under $300. And this is a wi-fi/ 4g version, but doesn't require a data plan. So on payday thats what Im going to get. I originally had the evo 4g as my cell, and now have the evo 3d and love it. So the Evo view is basically a larger version of my phone which is exactly what I want from a tablet.

chaose said:
the 4:3 aspect ratio is the best feature of the ipad...
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Agreed, that's why I haven't wasted my money on one.
Damn you Swype!

I've got my KFire rooted running CM7 and haven't noticed any sync problems at all with netflix or youtube. I'm completely happy with it and all these devs are busting their butts to get some pretty sweet ROM's running on here. Hopefully MIUI will be one of them. ICS will work for now once they get the audio/video issues worked out.

Introductions Thread - Hi!

Since this is General, I hope this thread is relevant.
Proud owner of a new Tab 2 7.0 as of yesterday.
Just want to do a general check in and see who else is lurking in the woodwork. I have been an xda lurker for some time, starting with the HTC Hero, then EVO 4G, Epic 4G, Nexus S, Epic Touch (GS2), and finally the Galaxy Tab 2 7.0.
I have been wanting to get a tablet for some time, but they have always seemed out of my reach financially. I love tech stuff, and am an android addict (tongue twister...). Seems the Tab 2 is taking a beating from many tech review sites, especially the 10.1. But I have to say, at $250, I think the 7" is a solid Tablet. I was so close to getting the Kindle, and if it hadn't missed the refurb sale for mother's day (they were going for $140), I would probably be a proud but somewhat reluctant kindle fire owner. The kindle fire is a nice piece of tech, and it really grounded the market for tablets I think. $200 seems the price that will appeal to the wider audience, not just the well-to-do. The extra $50 for the mic, cameras, bluetooth, and expandable memory was a no brainer for me.
In any case, loving my new Tab 2 7.0. Anyone else in the same boat? Anyone else excited to see what goodies the devs who will eventually start to trickle in can do with the Tab 2?
Let's get some life in here!

Love this tablet! Stepped up from the Kindle Fire to this Best bang-for-the-buck on the market today. At this point though, although I love the "idea" of rooting, I haven't had a real reason to do so -- the device works perfect for my needs right out of the box.

Yeah, I haven't rooted yet. I will once a nice selection of roms start popping up in the dev section. I saw AOKP has a release, 36 I believe. I loaded AOKP on my gf's nexus s and it has been pretty good, with the exception of a few bugs here and there.
I am interested in using a different launcher, but I am trying to conserve space and performance on the tablet. I think the thing that is going to push me to root will be when Apps 2 SD finally works. Let's face it: 8 Gb of space, with only 4 available to the user is just plain paltry in 2012. That's the primary gimp of this device. I have a 16 gig micro sd, but it's pretty much useless at the moment. I need my Titanium backup + APPS2SD. Trust me, when you start running out of space, which is bound to happen, that "idea" of rooting will become a reality for you.
The processor on this and the KF are virtually the same. I think it's the extra features that really make this stand out in comparison to the KF, not to mention ICS of course. Can't stand KF's interface.

I first bought the Kindle fire just for fun, Then I started
playing with android for the first time and was a believer.
I returned it about a week and got the 7" Galaxy Tablet.

Welcome to the fold. I have been on board since Eclair on the HTC Hero. I have been an android fan for quite a while and we have come a long way. This is my first tablet, and I'm loving it.

arionfrost said:
Yeah, I haven't rooted yet. I will once a nice selection of roms start popping up in the dev section. I saw AOKP has a release, 36 I believe. I loaded AOKP on my gf's nexus s and it has been pretty good, with the exception of a few bugs here and there.
I am interested in using a different launcher, but I am trying to conserve space and performance on the tablet. I think the thing that is going to push me to root will be when Apps 2 SD finally works. Let's face it: 8 Gb of space, with only 4 available to the user is just plain paltry in 2012. That's the primary gimp of this device. I have a 16 gig micro sd, but it's pretty much useless at the moment. I need my Titanium backup + APPS2SD. Trust me, when you start running out of space, which is bound to happen, that "idea" of rooting will become a reality for you.
The processor on this and the KF are virtually the same. I think it's the extra features that really make this stand out in comparison to the KF, not to mention ICS of course. Can't stand KF's interface.
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Apex is an excellent free launcher available in the app store -- only a few megs I believe. As for the need for App2SD, totally depends on your usage -- for example I use this device for media consumption -- books/movies/music. I've only loaded a few apps since the tab does those functions out-of-the-box already. It seems that "larger" applications are usually games, most others that fall outside of gaming are relatively small in which case 4.5gb is lots of space. My 32GB microSD card works perfect for holding the music/movie content. (Though FAT32 has a single filesize limit of 4GB which is a prob for some).
KFire still has a lot going for it in terms of pricing. As of today you can buy them used between 100-150 dollars and the port of ICS to it is pretty far along. In a few months I bet you'll be able to get them for $100 used and have a fully functional ICS experience available

DesDr0id said:
Apex is an excellent free launcher available in the app store -- only a few megs I believe. As for the need for App2SD, totally depends on your usage -- for example I use this device for media consumption -- books/movies/music. I've only loaded a few apps since the tab does those functions out-of-the-box already. It seems that "larger" applications are usually games, most others that fall outside of gaming are relatively small in which case 4.5gb is lots of space. My 32GB microSD card works perfect for holding the music/movie content. (Though FAT32 has a single filesize limit of 4GB which is a prob for some).
KFire still has a lot going for it in terms of pricing. As of today you can buy them used between 100-150 dollars and the port of ICS to it is pretty far along. In a few months I bet you'll be able to get them for $100 used and have a fully functional ICS experience available
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Not trying to disagree with you, but most phones have had apps to sd for a long time. I'm not exactly sure what the rationale is behind not having apps 2 sd right out of the box. My ipod touch 2nd gen from 2009 had 16 gigs. So yeah, i would say that 8 gb in 2012 is kind of pathetic, esp since samsung was trying to one up the kindle fire.

I have never been a fan of Apps2sd, because a lot of apps do not run properly or are slower from sd. Running things off of removable memory often times corrupts data. Internal memory is optimum way to run apps. Also apps do not take up as much internal memory as one thinks.
I do agree though that the tab 2 should have more internal memory. 8gbs is ok though, if you are not filling it up with tons of movies and mp3.

I got into the Android scene with the Cliq XT then shortly after i bought a Samsung Vibrant and have flashed nearly every rom for it. I have finally settled on the updated Bionix froyo rom and everything just works!
I set my sights on getting a tablet and i had bought the Kindle Fire and rooted it and played with it for barely a week when i walked by a GTab2 and did a double take when i saw the price haha. Needless to say i returned the KF to watch the Avengers and anxiously awaited my next paycheck to fund the difference and got the GTab2! Very satisfied with the device!
Im pursuing a degree in information systems and plan to get into programming. I hope to be able to contribute to the Android community! Nice to meet all of you!
Sent from my 7" GTab2

I too had a kindle fire for about 3 weeks. Once the tab 2 came out I unrooted the KF and brought it right back to best buy. Tab 2 rocks!
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Satisfied thus far
Hi, all. I picked up my GT2 7 yesterday and have to say that I am quite pleased.
I have been watching the reviews of this device (both user and "pro") for a few weeks now, and decided to take the plunge. It is my first Samsung Tablet (I currently own a Prime, Xoom Wifi, Kindle Fire, iPad 2, and Dell Streak 7).
Since it is my first Samsung, it is taking me a bit to get used to the Samsung tweaks to the UI (in fact, not crazy at all about them seeing that I have ICS Prime and on the Xoom Wifi).
My observations thus far:
1 - It is quite quick. Surprised me here, as several reviews said it wasn't. I cannot see noticeable differences from the other devices I use.
2 - Wifi is a little iffy - It often registers 1-2 bars when I am quite close to my routers in my house (I will test at my workplace today). I will have to report back on this - it does not appear that speeds are effected.
3 - The devices feels good, though honestly it feels a bit heftier to me than it should, but that is not a deal breaker.
Basically, I wanted to replace the Fire with a nice 7" ICS device, and think I have accomplished that. The Fire will be sold.
Rob

I just came from the asus tf300 16gb. i liked it but the unit felt too 'fragile'. when i would flex it a little you could feel it give and i didn't like that in a $380 tablet. i traded it back to best buy within the 30day period and got the galaxy tab2 10.1 and must say, best decision. very fast and sturdy build. i feel like i have a device that is worth the money i paid for.

Hi, I got my Galaxy Tab 2 10.1 yesterday and I love it! I was thinking of buying either an Acer Iconia A510 or the Asus TF300, but read about some problems with the A510. I didn't really consider the GT2 since it is 'only' a dual-core. Then I started thinking about what I wanted a tablet for, which is mostly browsing, spotify and some videos/movies. When I saw the GT2 screen I was sold, really really beautiful and I haven't noticed the sluggishness some reviewers talk about. I should probably mention though that in The Netherlands the GT2 is actually quite a bit cheaper than the Asus TF300: 350 euro's (438 dollars) and 400 euro's (500 dollars) respectively.

Hi, my name's Jim. This is my first tablet and I must say, I'm very impressed - especially for the price paid (£199). Currently using this alongside my HTC Rezound. I've still not rooted it yet as I haven't had any reason too (I rooted my old HTC Sensation XL before I'd even left the store that I bought it from lol). Everything seems to be working great. Wi-Fi is a little sketchy but it still receives packets nice and quickly.
I'm a great fan of ROM flashing so hopefully development for our device will pick up quickly.
I was surprised to see that someone had already ported CM9 to our tablet!
Anyway, here's my "hi" to all you folks and hopefully we can all help to make our badass tablet even better!
Thanks,
Jim
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New Tab 2 User
Sooo many devices and just picked up this unit at Costco while I was in the US for $238 incl oem pouch.
For tablets, I'm sticking with this size form factor. I have the asus tf101, 2 playbooks, touchpad (sold), ipad 3, amd various smartphones in my family.
This unit is snappy and easy to hold as well type. The playbook is nice too if you have a blackberry but there is really an insufficient amount of apps.
The ir remote is a big plus as I wasn't expecting to use it but when I played around with it, it was better than my harmony remote.
The screen is a bit on the bland side but at this price, can't really complain.
Wifi death hold on the lower left side is present but I just flip it around and have the speakers face up for typing.
If I want 10 inch, I rather use my netbook...more practical.

Picked up the 7" tab on Saturday to go along with my Galaxy Nexus and I can safely say I have finally retired my TF101. On stock this thing is smooth as hell and the battery lasts forever, and so far no random rebooted or sleep of deaths (check the tf101 forums). I got this tablet because it feels sturdy and looks good. Hope to get to know all you guys over the next however many years I use this tablet.
Also, on AOKP right now and even with no hardware acceleration and a hit in battery it may be worth it to continue having a stock ICS experience.
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I already have galaxy Tab 10.1 around 6 month ago. And just next week, someone give me the new Galaxy Tab 2 - 10.1. Thinking to sell one of this item. Mind to ask which one is better to use ? thanks.

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(Though FAT32 has a single filesize limit of 4GB which is a prob for some).
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Got my Tab 2 7.0 a week ago....been on PCs forever, but brand new to tablets.
So far, so good. Got this primarily to use as an e-reader and mess-around machine on a long trip planned to Alaska.
Question- how exactly do I get movies onto this thing to watch on a flight?
thnx

Hello. Name is Scott. I'm a 36 year old father of two from Texas. I'm a professional glazier (Glass guy) and I worked for years as an installer at Custom Sounds here. I drive a Mercedes Benz and I'm very proud of it. Won a dozen or so trophies with it.
My first Droid was an HTC Hero. I wore that sucker out and then I got an Evo 4G. I pre-ordered it and was the first around to get one. I then switched to ATT and got an Infuse 4G. I still have it and love it. By the time another year goes by and I can get my upgrade I can just imagine what super awesome Samsung device I'll be able to buy.
Being an old school Unix guy from the 90's I just love the way Android is built. I have a vast knowledge of FreeBSD, Linux and OpenBSD. I might start creating things for Android, apps and such. I just don't have the time. Wife, kids and work keep me pretty tied up busy.
I'm glad we have such a good bunch of devs and users so far for the GT2. Good to be here.

new here!
Hi, i'm John. I'm from the Netherlands, 48 years of age and bought my first ever tablet 2 days ago. It's a Tab 2 10.1 with 16gb memory.
So far i'm very happy with it.
As i'm not afraid to experiment a little bit, i've searched the internet to see if there were allready custom roms for my tab. That's why i've landed on this forum
Found out the method to root my P5110 and that went flawlessly.
Then yesterday the clean rom was introduced by sgrant. I've flashed it and that went well also.
A big thanks to Weltwon en SGrant for their instructions on how to root my tab and install the custom rom.
One question: after i've flashed the custom rom, my tab says in the about device info that it's a P5113 instead of the P5110 it was originally. Could that cause any kind of problem?
I understand that the change of modelnumber is caused by flashing the rom from sgrant who build this on a P5113 model.
Grtz,
John

Good tablet for parents?

So my parents currently own 2 android phones htc desire s and wildfire s.
They talk a bit about ipads and how it would be usefull, but I have feeling thats only cause they havent heard of android tablets yet.
They play smaller games like wordfeud, angry birds and well simple games. They do read alot of news and some youtube and like simple apps and reason Im not asking them is cause I would love to surprise them with a tablet as a christmas present.
And then ofc I have something to play with when im home
So yeah my question is do you think this would be a good tablet for them to share or is there something better for their kinda use?

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So my parents currently own 2 android phones htc desire s and wildfire s.
They talk a bit about ipads and how it would be usefull, but I have feeling thats only cause they havent heard of android tablets yet.
They play smaller games like wordfeud, angry birds and well simple games. They do read alot of news and some youtube and like simple apps and reason Im not asking them is cause I would love to surprise them with a tablet as a christmas present.
And then ofc I have something to play with when im home
So yeah my question is do you think this would be a good tablet for them to share or is there something better for their kinda use?
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Its a quality present !
Dont forget it can be used as not only a tablet but a Kindle etc, as it has books and stuff.
I think theyd love it.

Wilks3y said:
Its a quality present !
Dont forget it can be used as not only a tablet but a Kindle etc, as it has books and stuff.
I think theyd love it.
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Yeah havent even really thought about that part, but guessing that with the size it would be a nice book replacement.
And yeah their still kinda android noobs, but in my experience android is only getting easier and prettier to use, so hopefully they would love it

And it s multiuser when iPad is single pilot....

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And yeah their still kinda android noobs, but in my experience android is only getting easier and prettier to use, so hopefully they would love it
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If they are still reasonably new to the whole idea of smart phones and tablets, Then the nexus 7 is by far the obvious choice. Simply for the reason that it is running on the same/similar os to the phones that they have and so getting to grips with it will be a much easier experience for them.
It is also far cheaper than ipad, if you find that they really like it you could get them a second one for a present next time around for the total cost of 1 iPad.
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Well yes, the size and specs alone make it very ideal, not to mention to the price. Also the ability to add multiple users could also be very useful for them.

xipn said:
So my parents currently own 2 android phones htc desire s and wildfire s.
They talk a bit about ipads and how it would be usefull, but I have feeling thats only cause they havent heard of android tablets yet.
They play smaller games like wordfeud, angry birds and well simple games. They do read alot of news and some youtube and like simple apps and reason Im not asking them is cause I would love to surprise them with a tablet as a christmas present.
And then ofc I have something to play with when im home
So yeah my question is do you think this would be a good tablet for them to share or is there something better for their kinda use?
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Im pretty sure by "iPads" they mean all tablets, it's just that ipad is the most recognizable.
I wouldnt bother them with yet another OS (iOS), if they're kinda used to android, its better. Then again, HTCs android 4.0 looks COMPLETELY different than Googles android 4.2.1. It might me an issue, but still, it looks more similar then to iOS.
Nexus 7 is cool because you can fit it in one hand, which might be helpful (you know how elderly people always look up thing (like newspaper) up close and lift their glasses a little ).
While android <2.3 was very geeky and didn't look all that pretty compared to iOS at the time, things have changed, android has become very user friendly, even for newbies.

I have an 88 year old grampa here with an original Motorola Droid... I got him this tablet and he loves it to death... everything is familiar with it being android and the size is perfect
"If I could make phone calls on this damn thing I'd throw that other piece of $#:% away"
He thinks phones should be this size so they're easier to see...

Should be good.. Or I hope so, got my mom a 32gb for Christmas.
She's got a galaxy s2 for her phone. And also has a viewsonic g-tab from the woot-off. That one was a mistake for sure from a normal end-user perspective and it kind of gave her a bad taste of android.
She also has the original Nook Color. Which at this point is just pretty well aged. And she never let me touch that one, so its still running the crap Barnes and noble software.
She's always said she wants an ipad. But it will be a cold day in hell before I buy an apple product so that ain't happening. Especially for double the cost.
And actually, I've also got the g-tablet, and a transfomer prime, and those mainly collect dust since I've gotten the nexus 7. It's the perfect size, I carry it with me everywhere. An additional reason I think, even if she had an iPad as well, the nexus would still get more use.
The phablet interface will make it pretty easy to go from their phones to that, without to much confusion. DO IT.

Wow!! Just because someone is older doesn't mean they are dumb or slow!! I am 66 and certainly no techie. I have to stay out of the dev sections because most of the time I have no idea what they are talking about. But, I have a Captivate running AOKP Milestone 1 (currently being used as a multimedia device), my wife's Infuse running PACman, my GNote running PACman, my N7 running unofficial AOKP 4.2 and last but not least, my two year old NookColor running PA 2.9.9.....and running it very nicely!!
Get them the N7.....they will love it and will love you for getting for them. But, one word of warning.......they will probably not be happy sharing it.....so be prepared to buy another!!!!!:thumbup:
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Wow!! Just because someone is older doesn't mean they are dumb or slow!! I am 66 and certainly no techie. I have to stay out of the dev sections because most of the time I have no idea what they are talking about. But, I have a Captivate running AOKP Milestone 1 (currently being used as a multimedia device), my wife's Infuse running PACman, my GNote running PACman, my N7 running unofficial AOKP 4.2 and last but not least, my two year old NookColor running PA 2.9.9.....and running it very nicely!!
Get them the N7.....they will love it and will love you for getting for them. But, one word of warning.......they will probably not be happy sharing it.....so be prepared to buy another!!!!!:thumbup:
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If this was reply to my comment, I wasn't implying that at all, I'm just following my personal experience with my grandparents, one grandma can handle a PC for basic operations (skype, gmail, internet, office), while my other grandparents get confused by the new way then need to watch TV with the box that the cable company provided them, and they consider a good phone one that has massive keys.
I did show them the N7 the other day, and they were fascinated, they just don't really want it or don't find any use for it.
Of course, everyone's different

b00mb00mchuck said:
I have an 88 year old grampa here with an original Motorola Droid... I got him this tablet and he loves it to death... everything is familiar with it being android and the size is perfect
"If I could make phone calls on this damn thing I'd throw that other piece of $#:% away"
He thinks phones should be this size so they're easier to see...
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Download Groove IP from play store. It works using Google Voice and there are no fees within US and Canada. I haven't personally used it or set it up, but I plan on it once I give the Nexus 7 to my dad. If you do a youtube search you can find a video on setting it up if you have trouble.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.snrblabs.grooveip
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Bought a Nexus 7 32GB version yesterday and gifted it to my self. Overall I really do like the specs on the device and how the device handles. I was using a Kindle Fire which was running JB 4.1.2.
While the Kindle Fire was running JB smooth without any problems that I seen. I just felt like something was missing as in some features which was lacking. I since then flashed the Kindle Fire back to default and sold the device.
I can say for 100% I'm a lot more happy owning the Nexus 7 then the Kindle Fire I had. Sometimes when using voice search in order to search for something. It really makes me want to laugh at times cause I said one thing. It thinks I said 'p0rn' which was not even close to what I said.
But I won't hold that the device's fault since I do have a minor speech impediment. But them the Nexus 7 they will love the device I'm sure of it.

[Q] tf700 broke... replacement???

hey guys... im a frequent reader (not poster) of the forums and have a simple question. my mom broke my tf700 so i sent it in to squaretrade and the are reimbursing me $499.99 bc they can not fix it (first time using squaretrade and im very happy i insured it through them).
What should i replace it with? i loved the tf700 but i cant see myself spending $400ish on a devices thats a year and a half old.
i was thinking nexus 10 but the same problem as the tf700 comes into play... $400ish for a year old device. it would be a big disapointment to buy it and have the nexus 10.2 come out next month at CES. i understand that tech is always gettin better and ill always be waiting for the next upgrade and yada yada yada but a year old tablet at $400 is a little pushing it. The upside is that the device wouldnt need to be unlocked as it has the best rom on it (stock kitkat).
i was also thinking of the kindle fire hdx 8.9 bc that seems like the best bang for your buck at the moment. It has the newest and best hardware out and is getting great reviews. the only problem with the hdx is that the bootloader isnt unlocked and who knows if it will eventually be (i have faith but i dont wanna drop $400 soley on faith). if i get the hdx it is a must that it would have to be on a custom rom as i cant stand the mojito rom amazon uses.
so pretty much my question is what would you buy if you were on the market for a tablet today???
PS- what is you guys opinions on 7" tablets?? i think 10" is where the swet spot is but if you guys can persuade me otherwise.

gutts10 said:
hey guys... im a frequent reader (not poster) of the forums and have a simple question. my mom broke my tf700 so i sent it in to squaretrade and the are reimbursing me $499.99 bc they can not fix it (first time using squaretrade and im very happy i insured it through them).
What should i replace it with? i loved the tf700 but i cant see myself spending $400ish on a devices thats a year and a half old.
i was thinking nexus 10 but the same problem as the tf700 comes into play... $400ish for a year old device. it would be a big disapointment to buy it and have the nexus 10.2 come out next month at CES. i understand that tech is always gettin better and ill always be waiting for the next upgrade and yada yada yada but a year old tablet at $400 is a little pushing it. The upside is that the device wouldnt need to be unlocked as it has the best rom on it (stock kitkat).
i was also thinking of the kindle fire hdx 8.9 bc that seems like the best bang for your buck at the moment. It has the newest and best hardware out and is getting great reviews. the only problem with the hdx is that the bootloader isnt unlocked and who knows if it will eventually be (i have faith but i dont wanna drop $400 soley on faith). if i get the hdx it is a must that it would have to be on a custom rom as i cant stand the mojito rom amazon uses.
so pretty much my question is what would you buy if you were on the market for a tablet today???
PS- what is you guys opinions on 7" tablets?? i think 10" is where the swet spot is but if you guys can persuade me otherwise.
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I think the Nexus 10 will suit your needs. Seriously it is really good. Even after a year. Its still a high end tablet. Maybe you should wait till the end of the month to see if the new n10 will be announced/released. But to this day only rumours suggested it would come. Nothing in sight yet.
I personally hate 7" tablets. They are just phones that are too big and hij cant call with them. I mean: too big for a phone too small for a tablet. But thats just my opinion.
I own a Nexus 10 and love it. Especially with art. I really recommend it if you are searching for a 10" tablet.
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mrgnex said:
I think the Nexus 10 will suit your needs. Seriously it is really good. Even after a year. Its still a high end tablet. Maybe you should wait till the end of the month to see if the new n10 will be announced/released. But to this day only rumours suggested it would come. Nothing in sight yet.
I personally hate 7" tablets. They are just phones that are too big and hij cant call with them. I mean: too big for a phone too small for a tablet. But thats just my opinion.
I own a Nexus 10 and love it. Especially with art. I really recommend it if you are searching for a 10" tablet.
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thanks a lot for you input... i really appreciate it. any thoughts on the kindle???

Hi,
While I think that Kindle tablet is really interesting, if you want to see deeper development it isn't the best choice, as you said it probably won't have the bootloader unlocked, while on Nexus 10 you just type "fastboot oem unlock" and it's done haha! The tablet you had before is a 10" tablet, so I think you'll have a better time with another 10" tablet .
Also don't really worry about the tablet age, while everything new will appear almost every month, that doesn't mean the older are bad! I have a Xoom that mom broke the display, so I got Nexus 10, both are amazing devices, while Nexus 10 is way more powerful, I can still use my Xoom on HDMI with no problems . It's just a matter of adaptation, then you won't invest "useless money" if you understand what I mean .
In other words of my adaptation metaphor. Go for one tablet that is good enough and has a good development community, then you're assured that it will last a good long life hehe.
~Lord

What about gtab 8.3?

thanks for all the feedback guys... i went for the kindle fire. Amazon extended the return period until jan 30 so i have just about 50 days to tinker with it and decide if shes a keeper. i was just stunned at the screen the kindle had. it simply is beautiful. the nexus 10 was the best android screen but i think the kindle now has the best tablet scrren in the world (ipad included). just hoping that the bootloader gets unlocked bc i dont know if i can stand this fire os crap. that is by far the only flaw i can think of on this bad boy, however, it is a big one!!

gutts10 said:
thanks for all the feedback guys... i went for the kindle fire. Amazon extended the return period until jan 30 so i have just about 50 days to tinker with it and decide if shes a keeper. i was just stunned at the screen the kindle had. it simply is beautiful. the nexus 10 was the best android screen but i think the kindle now has the best tablet scrren in the world (ipad included). just hoping that the bootloader gets unlocked bc i dont know if i can stand this fire os crap. that is by far the only flaw i can think of on this bad boy, however, it is a big one!!
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I was going to suggest the new TF701T or Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 as possibilities. If you're okay with Apple, the iPad Air looks nice and is the lightest 10" tablet out there now.

Fire 7 / HD 8 Refresh [Spring 2017] - No HDX Replacement in Sight

https://www.theverge.com/2017/5/17/...let-refresh-release-date-pricing-kids-edition

It seems as though Amazon has decided to bow out of the "higher end" market, which is a shame. They've decided instead to stick with the lower price, high volume market to get more people into their ecosystem. At the time that the HDX first came out, it was actually relatively inexpensive for a tablet with its specs. It's one of the reasons that I bought it in the first place. If they had built it with micro SD storage, it would have been darn near perfect. I guess I'll just have to hold onto my old HDX 7 until it rolls over and dies.

I think Android tablet market as a whole is dead. Amazon just interest to sell ecosystem.

kkcheong said:
I think Android tablet market as a whole is dead. Amazon just interest to sell ecosystem.
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Well, that shows how little attention I've paid to the tablet market. The last time I really paid any attention was over 3 years ago when I purchased my HDX 7.

Honestly I actually pre-ordered the new Fire HD 8, because my second tablet: the Nexus 7 2013 is somehow stuck in a unfixable bootloop (it sucks but I did make a recent backup) I didn't want to be stuck with one tablet again, so I thought that the 2017 Fire HD 8's specs was as close as possible (on paper) for the same price I paid for my HDX 7. So I'll definitely tell you guys my verdict in about a week of everyday use.

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Honestly I actually pre-ordered the new Fire HD 8, because my second tablet: the Nexus 7 2013 is somehow stuck in a unfixable bootloop (it sucks but I did make a recent backup) I didn't want to be stuck with one tablet again, so I thought that the 2017 Fire HD 8's specs was as close as possible (on paper) for the same price I paid for my HDX 7. So I'll definitely tell you guys my verdict in about a week of everyday use.
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I think the likely verdict is understood by those familiar with both devices. They do not play in the same space aside from vendor, approximate screen size and base operating system (Android derivatives). Beyond that night and day.