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Google Announces Android M - Will Xperia Z1 Ever Get The Update?

Google announced the Android M update at I/O 2015 keynote. Android M takes Android L and optimizes the **** out of it.
- Better battery life
- Android Pay
- Fingerprint support
- USB Type-C
- Enhanced Google Now
- App Permissions
That's a power-packed features list, eh? More about Android M features here. Also, the Android M Developer Preview is already available.
I wonder if the Xperia Z1 would ever get the Android M update, seeing that the Android 5.1 Lollipop update itself won't arrive until August 2015.

highly doubt it!

Yes, an the Android XL also.

If the z had received lollipop, maybe z1 will get android m.......should be possible....

I also highly doubt Z1 will get it. As of right now, I only hope Z1 will receive a fully stable no bug (no battery drain, no sound vollume problem, etc.) 5.1. Besides, I don't think Z1 can get much benefits from M anyway (like those fingerprint support or usb-c or even Android Pay since it's clearly not available everywhere)

palkia171993 said:
I also highly doubt Z1 will get it. As of right now, I only hope Z1 will receive a fully stable no bug (no battery drain, no sound vollume problem, etc.) 5.1. Besides, I don't think Z1 can get much benefits from M anyway (like those fingerprint support or usb-c or even Android Pay since it's clearly not available everywhere)
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But under the hood improvements are always welcome
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But under the hood improvements are always welcome
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Sure an update is always welcomed. It's just that we shouldn't really get our hopes up. In my opinion, It's already Sony's best effort for Z1 if it get 5.1. By the time M is official released, Z1 will probably be way over the 18 month support period by Sony. But who know, just my guess, maybe Sony will surprise us (in a good way )

BTW, is there any dev working on porting Android M developer preview for the Xperia Z1?

I'd like Android M, but if we don't get it then 5.1 had better solve the issue with the mobile radio staying active and causing ridiculous amounts of battery drain.
I guess one thing to keep in mind is that the Z got 5.0.2, so perhaps they will only drop support for the Z given how different the hardware is, while the Z1, Z Ultra and Z1C all share very similar hardware. From what I can tell, the hardware hasn't changed all that much since the Z Ultra aside from the Z3+/Z4 which is using an octa-core S810 compared to the quad-core S800/S801 inside most of the rest of the Z series. Whether that has much sway on development time I wouldn't have any idea.

If they can include Auto Backup for Apps http://developer.android.com/preview/backup/index.html Also using your micro SD card as internal storage.... http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...or-accessed-normally-with-no-additional-apps/
That would be great for those who don't root their handset

Even Z can get updated to 5.1 i think Z1 can at least get 2 more major updates. So yes

Of course not. I understand we all love our devices, but guys, it's just marketing. However, let's hope someone ports it to our Z1, otherwise, we may need to buy something new in the near future.

Papanik said:
Of course not. I understand we all love our devices, but guys, it's just marketing. However, let's hope someone ports it to our Z1, otherwise, we may need to buy something new in the near future.
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Not really possible for me lol I just bought my Z1 1,5 months ago
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http://android.hdblog.it/2015/06/22/Sony-Android-M-Xperia-Z3-C-AOSP/ .. the answer is YES !

the binaries are up in the dev world of sony!
developer.sonymobile.com/downloads/tool/software-binaries-for-aosp-m-developer-preview/

i think it will recive M because the original z will also receve 5.1.1 so probably the z1 will recive the last android version as android M.

That's really nice! At least that smells good!

Sony will sell its mobile business before the Z1 gets M.

Android M for Xperia Z1
Good to know that even Xperia Z1 will get Android M update.
I did google to get some info. Below are some trusted links
neurogadget.com/2015/08/19/sony-xperia-z-z1-z2-z3-z3-compact-with-android-6-0-marshmallow-update/12855
developer.sonymobile.com/2015/06/22/android-m-developer-preview-available-for-xperia-devices-in-sonys-open-device-program/
Also there is tutorial on how to install Android M preview on Z1 at ibtimes.co.uk/how-update-xperia-z1-z2-z3-android-m-developer-preview-freexperia-rom-1510292
Enjoy...

All xperia flagships have lifetime support .

So, when do you think 5.1.1 is coming?

Sony rolled out android 5.1.1 for the Z2 and Z3 a while back and said other devices would get it in the following weeks! It's been awhile now and they didn't even certify a new build yet :/ I'm starting to think Sony is going to say that 2gb of ram is not enough to run the latest android
When do you guys think it's coming?
Are you waiting for the update or are you happy with the os right now?

i am really getting annoyned with the ram management if they wont update it , atleast fix the memory management e.e

Yes agreed. My phone has become barely usable because of that ****ty memory management in 5.0.2. They should really move on to 5.1.1 because that's ruined for too long now. What fears me though is that the new version is still not published on PTCRB which means it won't be available in the next two weeks... We will have to wait somewhere in September probably.

Rebel2k said:
Yes agreed. My phone has become barely usable because of that ****ty memory management in 5.0.2. They should really move on to 5.1.1 because that's ruined for too long now. What fears me though is that the new version is still not published on PTCRB which means it won't be available in the next two weeks... We will have to wait somewhere in September probably.
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when android M is relased , the software will be published on PTCRB
when android N Preview is relased , sony MAY relase android 5.1.1 for us

They promised to release 5.1.1 soon so let's see if that comes before the end of September.

Rebel2k said:
They promised to release 5.1.1 soon so let's see if that comes before the end of September.
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It hasnt been certified yet , usualy the update comes after 2 weeks after certification.

Xperia z1 will be another fail just like xperia sp
Since launch it still has bad multitasking
And sony will discontinue it's update cycle along with the original xperia z
So i think z1 z1c zu z and zr wont get the taste of android M imo
, they said they would release it the following weeks after z2 update, not the following month/s

Yeah, 5.1 was a let down on other devices, will not be any different with the Z1. Looking for a long battery life and fast ROM based on 4.4.4. Already went back on my other devices.
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Probably will stick with fxp if the Z1 won't get the M . i've seen mods that allows you tu use 4k and other camera features from the stock rom on cm and other aosp rom so i will not loose great things going to fxp or cm :lol:

Gamer4Life said:
Xperia z1 will be another fail just like xperia sp
Since launch it still has bad multitasking
And sony will discontinue it's update cycle along with the original xperia z
So i think z1 z1c zu z and zr wont get the taste of android M imo
, they said they would release it the following weeks after z2 update, not the following month/s
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If sony releases M late, the Z2 isn't getting it either lol
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Sony Will Release 5.1.1 for z1 this week . Maybe tomorrow !

Farsiris said:
Sony Will Release 5.1.1 for z1 this week . Maybe tomorrow !
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What's your source? As it is not yet on PTCRB there's no way it is going to be released this week.

actually i think and hope that they delayed the 5.1.1 to include the stagefright patch in the next update

Farsiris said:
Sony Will Release 5.1.1 for z1 this week . Maybe tomorrow !
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It is live right now. Anyway a lot of users have problems with 5.1.1 on z3 so maybe Sony will fix them that's why it is taking so long.

ptoner said:
Yeah, 5.1 was a let down on other devices, will not be any different with the Z1. Looking for a long battery life and fast ROM based on 4.4.4. Already went back on my other devices.
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Eh noop. On nexus 5 the 5.1 is awsome!
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Maybe this month

NexusGTS said:
It is live right now. Anyway a lot of users have problems with 5.1.1 on z3 so maybe Sony will fix them that's why it is taking so long.
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Where have you seen the 5.1 ftf for Z1?

guys
you can easily fix memory management problem
use kernel adiutor and go to Low Memory Manager Killer and change numbers to lower Values.

Snaqejack said:
Where have you seen the 5.1 ftf for Z1?
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Sarcasm my friend

SamadiPour said:
guys
you can easily fix memory management problem
use kernel adiutor and go to Low Memory Manager Killer and change numbers to lower Values.
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Changing LMK is not enough unfortunately. That's not a matter of LMK.

Xperia Z3 won't get Android N

http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2016/08/23/sony-xperia-and-android-7-0-nougat/
Sadly our device can't get Android N :crying:
[edit] http://www.phonearena.com/news/No-Nougat-for-your-Android-phone-You-might-want-to-blame-Qualcomm_id84543

snailpon said:
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2016/08/23/sony-xperia-and-android-7-0-nougat/
Sadly our device can't get Android N :crying:
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Well, just as I thought. I have some hope on developers here, but considering how little work has been done with AOSP and CM I can't expect too much

ridiculous they were teased with devolved Android n
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Me too.. I will probably sell my D6603, Sony just disappointed me.
Anyway I'm open to suggestions

codeluca said:
Me too.. I will probably sell my D6603, Sony just disappointed me.
Anyway I'm open to suggestions
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Personaly I would go with OP3 or nexus devices. Good specs and developer friendly.

I like OP3 and Xiaomi mi5 but I would miss the SD card... I would consider Huawei P9 or LG G5, but these have poor developer support. Any alternative?
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Thank you Sony for making me absolutely sure that I'll never ever buy a Sony phone again.

Zox09 said:
Thank you Sony for making me absolutely sure that I'll never ever buy a Sony phone again.
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I have hope for the community, we'll make it through with better sources and faster updates than what Sony had to offer us. Hopefully official Cyanogenmod comes our way.

TheAvengingTITAN said:
I have hope for the community, we'll make it through with better sources and faster updates than what Sony had to offer us. Hopefully official Cyanogenmod comes our way.
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I would have hope if it wasn't for the fact that we don't have an official CM13 yet. All the builds of the CM12.1 are even nightlies and don't offer the audio and camera quality that Stock has. Let's be real, Sony sucks at open sourcing and the community can't do magic

Sure it sucks, but why is anyone surprised? The Z3 launched September of 2014, almost two years ago.
You really can't blame Sony, two years is pretty standard for updates. Even Google only gives two years of guaranteed updates for the Nexus line.

iirc the concept developers are trying to release the kernel sources, which would allow the devs on xda to build better roms.
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The Z3 is an really nice device. Sad to see that Sony say goodbye to us. I hope customs ROMS can help.

I have Android Nougat 7 Preview 4 running on my Xperia Z3 (and it spontaneously reboots 24 times a day which is a major problem that hopefully the real version will fix). I mean how can they NOT release a real version of Android Nougat?

Well the user base did come together and made Sony change their minds about Xperia M2 and lollipop update... At first it was cut out after which Sony later decided to roll out lollipop for that model...
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I think z3 shouldn't use mm or lollipop rom. Because the device will be very hot and it'll make touch screen died. I know someboby have to replace thier touch screen.

Sony cant release N for z3. Google/ Qualcomm removed msm8974 support from aosp N kernel. Sony would have to revert these commits which is the legal issues that the concept Dec was talking my about on g+

Silent8Strike said:
Sure it sucks, but why is anyone surprised? The Z3 launched September of 2014, almost two years ago.
You really can't blame Sony, two years is pretty standard for updates. Even Google only gives two years of guaranteed updates for the Nexus line.
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Meanwhile, Apple released the last iOS 9.3.4 on the iPhone 4S, released in 2011.
Talk about standards. SMH.

kansasboy001 said:
Sony cant release N for z3. Google/ Qualcomm removed msm8974 support from aosp N kernel. Sony would have to revert these commits which is the legal issues that the concept Dec was talking my about on g+
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This means no device with Snapdragon 800/801 will get N.
That's disappointing considering it was working fine on Dev Preview 3.

brianpee said:
This means no device with Snapdragon 800/801 will get N.
That's disappointing considering it was working fine on Dev Preview 3.
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I imagine it was a decision by Qualcomm to force people to get new phones so they sell more chips. And I bet we don't see and 801 devices get official N. Only 805 and later

moonwalker1 said:
iirc the concept developers are trying to release the kernel sources, which would allow the devs on xda to build better roms.
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That's mean if kernel sources is out, we can build Android 7 rom without Unlock Bootloader?

Sony talking about 7.1

Sony wants to be the first manufacturer (besides Google) to release Android 7.1.1 Nougat
Sony Xperia X Performance-5
Sony aims to be the first manufacturer outside of Google to release Android 7.1.1 Nougat. According to Xperia Blog, Sony’s developer team has stated that issuing Android 7.1.1 is its “number one priority” and that “if you spot any other vendor (excluding Google) releasing this faster than us, prepare your rotten tomatoes!”
Android 7.1.1 was recently released on December 5 for the Google Pixel phones and Nexus devices, and Google made the source code available to manufacturers via the Android Open Source Project (AOSP) on the same day. When exactly Sony intends to release its take on Android 7.1.1, and to which devices, isn’t yet known.
Sony was previously one of the first manufacturers to roll out the Android 7.0 Nougat software, bringing a beta build of it to its Xperia X Performance handset on November 2. Sony has already confirmed that the Android Nougat update will at some stage roll out to its Xperia X and Z5 series, as well as the Z3+ and Z4 Tablet.
Do you think Sony will be the next manufacturer to release an Android 7.1.1 Nougat build? Give us your take in the comments.

klemen241 said:
Sony wants to be the first manufacturer (besides Google) to release Android 7.1.1 Nougat
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Do you think Sony will be the next manufacturer to release an Android 7.1.1 Nougat build? Give us your take in the comments.
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Better be!
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How can they talk about 7.1.1 if they didn't release 7.0 for z5 and others?!

albertobom said:
How can they talk about 7.1.1 if they didn't release 7.0 for z5 and others?!
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Well, the current flagship is another phone. Which already has 7.0. The current flagship is always the first to receive an Android update.
And if they are so sure they will be the first it means the update is basically ready and will come very soon.
The owners of the z5 and others.. with Android they should be happy they will probably receive a Nougat update.. Eventually.. Sometime in the future..

bungadudu said:
Well, the current flagship is another phone. Which already has 7.0. The current flagship is always the first to receive an Android update.
And if they are so sure they will be the first it means the update is basically ready and will come very soon.
The owners of the z5 and others.. with Android they should be happy they will probably receive a Nougat update.. Eventually.. Sometime in the future..
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I hope so. I hope we also get android 8 lol

bungadudu said:
Well, the current flagship is another phone. Which already has 7.0. The current flagship is always the first to receive an Android update.
And if they are so sure they will be the first it means the update is basically ready and will come very soon.
The owners of the z5 and others.. with Android they should be happy they will probably receive a Nougat update.. Eventually.. Sometime in the future..
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I would say the others will get it soon, but it's my guess though. I think they learned the lesson with MM deployment being the 4th to release it and, for some devices, having to retract and fix some more bugs. The negative reviews might have costed them a lot, and they should know those figures.
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Hope thats the case, we are always the Last to get the updates. 😐
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What's the source of this information? If u don't supply a source with it, it may or may not be fake news.
Regards
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Here are the source.
http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/12/0...urer-to-release-android-7-1-1-outside-google/
Not sure there they got it from though.
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Okay Sony, less talk and more doing because I'm still waiting 7.0 on my Z5.

Mario.D said:
Here are the source.
http://www.xperiablog.net/2016/12/0...urer-to-release-android-7-1-1-outside-google/
Not sure there they got it from though.
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yep thats it, i wouldnt post some fake ass crap

No Android 8 Oreo for our Z4 tablets

In case someone has missed it, the Z4 Tablet is not on Sonys list with devices that will get the update. Since it is Sonys last tablet and still one of the best Android tablet I think it would have made sense to keep it updated.
It runs okay with stock 7.1.1 but some of the Oreo updates would be nice to have, like improved multi window support and picture-in-picture.
I guess there will be some custom ROMs to try out, but in this case I actually like Sonys UI better, with the keyboard support (shortcuts and start menu etc.).

dape16 said:
In case someone has missed it, the Z4 Tablet is not on Sonys list with devices that will get the update. Since it is Sonys last tablet and still one of the best Android tablet I think it would have made sense to keep it updated.
It runs okay with stock 7.1.1 but some of the Oreo updates would be nice to have, like improved multi window support and picture-in-picture.
I guess there will be some custom ROMs to try out, but in this case I actually like Sonys UI better, with the keyboard support (shortcuts and start menu etc.).
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Source for the Z4 tablets not getting Oreo?

Aredubu said:
Source for the Z4 tablets not getting Oreo?
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https://blogs.sonymobile.com/2017/08/31/xperia-android-8-0-oreo/

Wow, that sucks.
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This is the latest tablet in Sony portfolio.
No Oreo = I will never again buy Sony device.
Howgh.

Without sources It's hard to make custom oreo rom. But it definately possible as it is with xiaomi redmi note 2, for example.

Since z5 itself it not getting oreo then it was obvious the tablet as well. If sony do as always then we will have AOSP release from them for this tablet and z5

Very disappointed ?
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From what I understand there will be no BSP for Oreo on the 810 processor based SOC. It's tough to blame Sony for this one, IMHO this lands on Qualcomm.

No. It's Sony responsibility to push Quallcomm.

Most sony devices use mediatek now so probably Qualcomm no longer is a good partner for Sony
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wag3slav3 said:
From what I understand there will be no BSP for Oreo on the 810 processor based SOC. It's tough to blame Sony for this one, IMHO this lands on Qualcomm.
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There are phones with 810 SOC that has gotten Oreo already so that is false.

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There are phones with 810 SOC that has gotten Oreo already so that is false.
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...such as?

knoxploration said:
...such as?
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Nexus 6P and maybe others.

Any other examples?
I'm not sure which kernel is running on 6p on oreo, but on my nexus 5x (oreo 8.1) it's 3.10. This is a violation of google policy that for oreo kernel must be at least 4.4.
So i would suspect that 6p is an exception confirming the rule.
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awionetka said:
Any other examples?
I'm not sure which kernel is running on 6p on oreo, but on my nexus 5x (oreo 8.1) it's 3.10. This is a violation of google policy that for oreo kernel must be at least 4.4.
So i would suspect that 6p is an exception confirming the rule.
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That's not really correct, according to Google's kernel version requirements:
- All SoCs productized in 2017 must launch with kernel 4.4 or newer.
- All other SoCs launching new Android devices running Android 8.0 must use kernel 3.18 or newer.
- Regardless of launch date, all SoCs with device launches on Android 8.0 remain subject to kernel changes required to enable Treble.
-Older Android devices released prior to Android 8.0 but that will be upgraded to Android 8.0 can continue to use their original base kernel version if desired.
Source: https://source.android.com/devices/architecture/kernel/modular-kernels#core-kernel-requirements
I think even the Pixel / Pixel XL is running Oreo on 3.18 kernels.

Its like when the snap 801 devices didnt get nougat all over again. Google are good at killing worthy devices. All 801 devices were perfectly fine and capable of running nougat but it was never offically supported. Its also like the Sony SmartWatch 3 how they killed that with no AW 2.0 update. It has nfc which can be used for Android pay but is now useless without AW 2.0. Also the SmartWatch 3 has WiFi and alot of other things some android wear 2.0 devices dont have. Google just keep killing our devices with less updates to make us buy new ones.

RJASSI21 said:
Its like when the snap 801 devices didnt get nougat all over again. Google are good at killing worthy devices. All 801 devices were perfectly fine and capable of running nougat but it was never offically supported. Its also like the Sony SmartWatch 3 how they killed that with no AW 2.0 update. It has nfc which can be used for Android pay but is now useless without AW 2.0. Also the SmartWatch 3 has WiFi and alot of other things some android wear 2.0 devices dont have. Google just keep killing our devices with less updates to make us buy new ones.
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Why do you keep blaming Google for this? Google did update their own devices with the same chipset as Sony Tablet Z4 (Nexus 6P) or lower spec (Nexus 5X) to Oreo.
The Nexus and even Pixels runs 3.x kernels too so Google is not stopping Sony from updating the Z3+/Z4/Z5-series to Oreo!
Regarding the SmartWatch 3, again why blame Google for this? It has the Snapdragon 400 chipset which is compatible with Wear 2.0 (LG updated their G-watches with SD400 to Wear 2.0).
Instead it was Sony that stated something like "SwartWatch 3 runs better with it's current version of Wear". The same BS excuse that Sony and other OEMs often use when they abandon fully capable products.
Google can't force OEMs to update their devices, the just give them the tools to do it. Which in these cases Sony don't want to use.

According to xperiablog, SONY just sold 18300 Z4 Tablets. I am pretty sure the customer wants to use a current OS with security patches.
http://www.xperiablog.net/2018/01/26/french-police-make-huge-order-for-sony-xperia-devices/

DHGE said:
According to xperiablog, SONY just sold 18300 Z4 Tablets. I am pretty sure the customer wants to use a current OS with security patches.
http://www.xperiablog.net/2018/01/26/french-police-make-huge-order-for-sony-xperia-devices/
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According to the article they will run a (modified) stock version of Android. The demo unit in the photo seems to be running Jelly Bean or KitKat!