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W/ Unlimited Mobile Hotspot capability on your Verizon 4g phone, how no unlim. data?

UPDATE: Nevermind. Seems as though I was told incorrectly by a certain Verizon store, they all thought you didn't have to be grandfathered in, but you do.
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Sorry for the truncated title there. Apparantely you can get unlimited mobile hotspot capability on your Verizon 4G LTE phone, but you're still limited to the 4GB-20GB standard data rate on the phone. How does that even work? Couldn't a simple loopback of some sort be created to make it seem as if you are using the hotspot instead of the "strictly mobile" data part of it? I've got the $30 4GB data plan, and I'll be getting the tethering unlimited $30 plan too. I would just simply like to use the unlimited side for both if at all possible... Got a rooted Samsung Galaxy Nexus. Anyone heard anything? Still searching the forums, so far nadda.

[Q] Tethering Google Nexus 4 on T-mobile

The phone is a Google Nexus 4 bought from Google Play store
I tether with the built-in "Tethering & Portable hotspot" using WiFi all day Monday thru Friday on AT&T, and I have gotten text messages from AT&T about data usage and "click here for the tethering plan". I have a grandfathered-in "unlimited LTE" plan with AT&T and they do throttle me to about 0.3m down 0.5m up.
I am considering switching to Tmo because it's much cheaper (60/mo versus 110/mo), I plan on staying on the same phone and just get a SIM card, get the basic talk/text plan and the unlimited 4G plan. Now my question is... in the unlimited 4G it says
"Adds Unlimited Nationwide 4G data on T-Mobiles network. Includes up to 500 MB of Smartphone Mobile HotSpot (SMH) service."
Does that means I will only be able to tether for 500mb using an unbranded N4 with android's build-in wireless tethering function? Or Tmo is going to be like AT&T just send me text message once a twice a year? My tethering usage is about 2G per week.

echangtb said:
The phone is a Google Nexus 4 bought from Google Play store
I tether with the built-in "Tethering & Portable hotspot" using WiFi all day Monday thru Friday on AT&T, and I have gotten text messages from AT&T about data usage and "click here for the tethering plan". I have a grandfathered-in "unlimited LTE" plan with AT&T and they do throttle me to about 0.3m down 0.5m up.
I am considering switching to Tmo because it's much cheaper (60/mo versus 110/mo), I plan on staying on the same phone and just get a SIM card, get the basic talk/text plan and the unlimited 4G plan. Now my question is... in the unlimited 4G it says
"Adds Unlimited Nationwide 4G data on T-Mobiles network. Includes up to 500 MB of Smartphone Mobile HotSpot (SMH) service."
Does that means I will only be able to tether for 500mb using an unbranded N4 with android's build-in wireless tethering function? Or Tmo is going to be like AT&T just send me text message once a twice a year? My tethering usage is about 2G per week.
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Sorry to thread-jack but Id like to pile on incase someone answering your questions can also help me.
I have the $3/day unlimited talk/text/data plan. Does that allow tethering?

Try using foxfi. Att delisted it from market.
http://pdanet.co/android/ download here
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That depends on what you want to tether to. I have found that I can tether with tmo to other android devices, iOS devices, and my chromebook, but not to a windows or mac computer. I haven't really tried internet ready TVs or my PS3.

echangtb said:
The phone is a Google Nexus 4 bought from Google Play store
I tether with the built-in "Tethering & Portable hotspot" using WiFi all day Monday thru Friday on AT&T, and I have gotten text messages from AT&T about data usage and "click here for the tethering plan". I have a grandfathered-in "unlimited LTE" plan with AT&T and they do throttle me to about 0.3m down 0.5m up.
I am considering switching to Tmo because it's much cheaper (60/mo versus 110/mo), I plan on staying on the same phone and just get a SIM card, get the basic talk/text plan and the unlimited 4G plan. Now my question is... in the unlimited 4G it says
"Adds Unlimited Nationwide 4G data on T-Mobiles network. Includes up to 500 MB of Smartphone Mobile HotSpot (SMH) service."
Does that means I will only be able to tether for 500mb using an unbranded N4 with android's build-in wireless tethering function? Or Tmo is going to be like AT&T just send me text message once a twice a year? My tethering usage is about 2G per week.
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They send you a text at about 400mb telling you you are coming close to the limit, then at 500 telling you that you have used all available data for tethering.
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So you are saying that even when it's an unbranded n4 Tmo can still find out if I am tethering or not. But with Fox fi I can tether without being caught? I have used Fox file for years until they stopped working on my Xperia TL.
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rogerski1 said:
Try using foxfi. Att delisted it from market.
http://pdanet.co/android/ download here
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Will give it a whirl ,thanks!

burnski said:
Will give it a whirl ,thanks!
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Foxfi used to work before.. now they have implemented a new check for tethering which Trekkie's on the headers of transmitted data. There are fixes that rely on editing your browser string to appear like a mobile browser but your best bet is a custom rom that bypasses those checks.
On the note 2 killajoule and Jedi Master worked fine. Haven't checked for the nexus 4

Just change the user agent string on your browser and use the built in tethering.
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tmobile has gotten really good at catching you while changing the browsers user agent. but you can get more than 500mb for tethering. the 50+20(unlimited plan) includes 2.5gb tethering, and you can purchase more. all the limited high speed data plan include unlimited tethering.

simms22 said:
tmobile has gotten really good at catching you while changing the browsers user agent. but you can get more than 500mb for tethering. the 50+20(unlimited plan) includes 2.5gb tethering, and you can purchase more. all the limited high speed data plan include unlimited tethering.
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So if changing the browser agent doesn't work, how do you tether with T-Mobile and bypass the T-Mobile message?

tykate said:
So if changing the browser agent doesn't work, how do you tether with T-Mobile and bypass the T-Mobithaessage?
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as of now, i have 2.5gb tethering with the unlimited high speed data plan. tmobile doesnt see when i tether my nexus 7, so that makes it easier to use the 2.5gb just for my laptop. i think they also offer 4.5gb for the unlimited high speed plan.
anyways, the last time i changed the user agent, i changed it to android(nexus 7 to be exact), it worked for half a day then they stopped it. oddly, i couldnt get data on my phone after, my phone browser kept sending me to the tmo hotspot page, and none of my apps could connect. i calked tmobile and they reset my data connection to fix it.

simms22 said:
as of now, i have 2.5gb tethering with the unlimited high speed data plan. tmobile doesnt see when i tether my nexus 7, so that makes it easier to use the 2.5gb just for my laptop. i think they also offer 4.5gb for the unlimited high speed plan.
anyways, the last time i changed the user agent, i changed it to android(nexus 7 to be exact), it worked for half a day then they stopped it. oddly, i couldnt get data on my phone after, my phone browser kept sending me to the tmo hotspot page, and none of my apps could connect. i calked tmobile and they reset my data connection to fix it.
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Oh, so you have the tethering plan. I have the T-Mobile $30 prepaid plan (unlimited data and text and 100 minutes) without an extra hotspot plan, how do I tether without the extra plan and without the tether message coming up?

tykate said:
Oh, so you have the tethering plan. I have the T-Mobile $30 prepaid plan (unlimited data and text and 100 minutes) without an extra hotspot plan, how do I tether without the extra plan and without the tether message coming up?
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luck of the draw.

simms22 said:
luck of the draw.
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can you be a bit more specific? what do you mean? does it mean that i can't do it through any app?

tykate said:
can you be a bit more specific? what do you mean? does it mean that i can't do it through any app?
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you guys should stop abusing the system..

simms22 said:
luck of the draw.
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I wonder if it really is the luck of the draw, and if so I guess I am "lucky". I never really gave the tethering much thought since I got my Nexus 4 last year. I haven't used it that much, once or twice while traveling and a couple of times at work to test stuff using an outside internet connection. I have never been charged or sent any kind of message from T-Mobile. I am on the $60 dollars a month prepaid plan, no tethering plan and I have never hit my 2.5gb data throttling limit. Rooted on stock with TWRP recovery, not that I think that makes much of a difference.

feelfreetoblameme said:
I wonder if it really is the luck of the draw, and if so I guess I am "lucky". I never really gave the tethering much thought since I got my Nexus 4 last year. I haven't used it that much, once or twice while traveling and a couple of times at work to test stuff using an outside internet connection. I have never been charged or sent any kind of message from T-Mobile. I am on the $60 dollars a month prepaid plan, no tethering plan and I have never hit my 2.5gb data throttling limit. Rooted on stock with TWRP recovery, not that I think that makes much of a difference.
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why are you on a $60 prepaid plan??
for $60 a month you can be on a unlimited calls/texts plan with completely unlimited high speed data and 500mb tethering, without any contract. for $70 total, its the same but tmobile also includes 2.5gb tethering.

simms22 said:
why are you on a $60 prepaid plan??
for $60 a month you can be on a unlimited calls/texts plan with completely unlimited high speed data and 500mb tethering, without any contract. for $70 total, its the same but tmobile also includes 2.5gb tethering.
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That is the plan I am on (at least, I think so!). I have no contract, unlimited calls/texts, data that is unlimited (although they throttle 4G after 2.5gb is reached) but was not aware that 500mb tethering is included. Good to know, probably why T-Mob has left me alone so far.

feelfreetoblameme said:
That is the plan I am on (at least, I think so!). I have no contract, unlimited calls/texts, data that is unlimited (although they throttle 4G after 2.5gb is reached) but was not aware that 500mb tethering is included. Good to know, probably why T-Mob has left me alone so far.
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thats not the plan i am talking about. the ai am talking about they do not throttle you after 2.5gb high speed data. the plan im talking about is completely unlimited high speed data.
edit.. i see they changed their plans slightly. for $10 more than you pay, you get completely unlimited high speed data and 2.5gb for tethering. your data speeds will not get slowed down at all.

WiFi HotSpot

I haven't activated it yet because I don't want to start getting charged. Since the OS has a built in HotSpot feature, will Verizon charge me as if I was using their Mobile HotSpot App?

What plan do you have? The newest ones all come with free mobile Hotspot.
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I still have unlimited data.

As far as I am aware it will prompt you once you start it up or once you try to connect a device. Basically telling you this will add a monthly charge. I still have unlimited data and use FoxFi for tethering to get around this.

sage3 said:
As far as I am aware it will prompt you once you start it up or once you try to connect a device. Basically telling you this will add a monthly charge. I still have unlimited data and use FoxFi for tethering to get around this.
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Foxfi works great. Use it all the time with unlimited data.

I'm on with Verizon with no Hotspot plan and I can turn mine on on my phone with no issues as it's included with my plan.
"Will I be charged to use Mobile Hotspot?
Depending on your plan, you may be charged monthly to have the Mobile Hotspot feature on your account. Regardless of which plan you have, you'll be charged data usage according to your monthly data allowance.
Monthly Charges
If you have The Verizon Plan or The MORE Everything® Plan, Mobile Hotspot is included for no additional monthly charge. With other plans, you'll need to add Mobile Hotspot to your account and you'll be charged monthly to use Mobile Hotspot on your device.
Data Usage Charges
The data used by devices when they're connected to your Mobile Hotspot will be deducted from your monthly data allowance.
If you need to increase your data allowance due to additional data use through your Mobile Hotspot, you can do so any time on the Change Your Plan page in My Verizon. For more information, refer to our Understand and Change Your Plan FAQs.
A great way to thank someone for sharing their Mobile Hotspot with you is to buy them the gift of more data. Refer to our Data Gifting FAQs to learn about giving data as a gift."

You can't use the built-in hotspot with your unlimited data plan, it will tell you that you need to subscribe first. Downloading FoxFi however bypasses this and will allow you to tether without paying for the plan.

Looks like I might be buying Foxfi today
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xguerox said:
Looks like I might be buying Foxfi today
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It's well worth it. I do miss my Nexus 6P and being able to use the native hotspot, as it's a bit of a pain to open FoxFi, then go to settings and toggle the hotspot, but at least it's something. I've been using it for a couple months with no issues.

New Verizon Unlimited, tethering question

People who have the grandfathered unlimited data plan and have an unlocked Nexus 6p can bypass Verizon's tethering restriction (ie tether without paying extra).
My question is for anyone who has an unlocked phone like the 6p and has the new Verizon Unlimited plan: can Verizon detect the 10GB of tethering then throw you to 3G? Or is it not detectable because there's no Verizon software on your phone?
In other words: is the 10GB tether limit detected locally on your phone or on Verizon's end?

I was actually wondering this exact same thing, if anyone happens to know.
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I just switched from grandfathered to the new unlimited. They cannot detect tethering at all as they do not have their software on the phone.
Enjoy

How are you bypassing the hotspot detection? Are you using a simple Entitlement bypass the using the standard hotspot that is part of Android, or something different?
Are you sure Verizon is not detecting it? Because there are ways--other than using Verizon apps for the hotspot--for Verizon to detect that your phone is being used as a hotspot.

quadcrap1 said:
How are you bypassing the hotspot detection? Are you using a simple Entitlement bypass the using the standard hotspot that is part of Android, or something different?
Are you sure Verizon is not detecting it? Because there are ways--other than using Verizon apps for the hotspot--for Verizon to detect that your phone is being used as a hotspot.
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By simply turning on the tethering option in settings.

And you're sure this prevents Verizon from seeing it?

I almost created a new thread asking this question, but then I saw my questions was already asked.
Can we confirm that the new 10gb tethering cap is undetectable on VZW Unlimited plan?

wow i was thinking about switching from tmobile unlimited cuz they be detecting me to bypass i use pdanet with cable to hide tether and it works 100%. But I wanted to make the switch to verizon unlimited it's just that I'm paying 50$ a month for unlimited tmobile

I was also just browsing the Pixel Q&A and it seems some of them are having trouble getting tethering on VZW with the Pixel. I'm on a "grandfathered" unlimited VZW plan and tethering works no problem for me, no hack or tricks need, just use the built in hotspot.
I wonder if some of the Pixel users having problems got their phones from Verizon, thinking maybe the phones that came direct from Google don't have the VZW software that tracks tethering.

GatorsUF said:
I was also just browsing the Pixel Q&A and it seems some of them are having trouble getting tethering on VZW with the Pixel. I'm on a "grandfathered" unlimited VZW plan and tethering works no problem for me, no hack or tricks need, just use the built in hotspot.
I wonder if some of the Pixel users having problems got their phones from Verizon, thinking maybe the phones that came direct from Google don't have the VZW software that tracks tethering.
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It's probably phones from Verizon.
I tether with my 6P on 7.1.2 and have since I got it new with 6.x.
Verizon doesn't do what AT&T and other to do to detect tethering.
I have tethered all my phones for years without Verizon noticing..

Seems like they can detect it now. As of two days ago I received a text alert from verizon saying I've been throttled to 60/kbps for going over 15GB this month. I can confirm it has indeed been throttled, even while using a vpn in any configuration. (I've been on the "new" unlimited plan since it was re-introduced and never had an issue with tethering until now)

I can tell you Verizon can and does detect tethering no matter the phone or plan.... But can't really stop it on the grandfathered unlimited plans. It's usually small fish to fry for them at this point. With their stance on 100gb a month or they cancel you has pretty much eliminated the big abusers (I pass No judgment as I just last week finally ditched my grandfathered udp). In the pixel they provided block after block if you were not an early purchaser and used depixel8 to unlock the bootloader from firewaterdevs. @ Jan 17 a Google update finally put a stop to depixel8 (it was after all a bootloader security flaw) and if you purchased a pixel from VZW that had been updated to 7.1.1 you were SOL. There have been some tricks to pop the sim card in and out to enable tethering but many were difficult and the timing had to be precise. I am/was a pixel owner..... Back to my N6p. Daughter got my wife's S7, she took my pixel since the 6p is too big for her liking.
While the pixel requires a bootloader unlock to root and enable tethering or install a custom ROM done for you already.... The 6p is VERY different from the pixel as far as it never being a Verizon issued phone as well as not having the split A/B partition (you'll all find out about that on your next upgrade) VZW is well aware of your tethering usage. Just a matter of making an issue out of it....which unless you are using it as your home wifi.......there are fewer and fewer grandfathered plans left to bother with.
I tethered while traveling with the kids and the largest data amount I ever tethered was 25gb. Usually more in the 10-12 range. I finally gave up the UDP because to add a phone for my kid (middle school now) it would have cost 30 more for data and I would have only gotten 2gb for her. With 3 lines on new "unlimited" I pay $15 less than I was paying. I'm not upgrading to the higher unlimited plan until I need to travel again. Right now I've seen zero difference in my service but I'm definitely keeping an eye on it. Honestly on a 5inch screen it's not a big deal to have dvd quality vs HD. Once my wife's contract ends in March from the S7 subsidized purchase 18 months ago we'll upgrade to the higher UDP with the 15gb tethering cap.
My only question is that 15gb per line tethering or per plan?

imitebewrong said:
Seems like they can detect it now. As of two days ago I received a text alert from verizon saying I've been throttled to 60/kbps for going over 15GB this month. I can confirm it has indeed been throttled, even while using a vpn in any configuration. (I've been on the "new" unlimited plan since it was re-introduced and never had an issue with tethering until now)
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I also received the text alert and email. throttling appears to be set at 600kbs as per the email. using pdanet to limp along till theres a better solution.

threestripebrand said:
I also received the text alert and email. throttling appears to be set at 600kbs as per the email. using pdanet to limp along till theres a better solution.
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Me as well (using pdanet), I have satellite internet as I am outside of City limits. Frustrating Verizon is regressing rather than progressing. Mainly due to greed.

imitebewrong said:
Seems like they can detect it now. As of two days ago I received a text alert from verizon saying I've been throttled to 60/kbps for going over 15GB this month. I can confirm it has indeed been throttled, even while using a vpn in any configuration. (I've been on the "new" unlimited plan since it was re-introduced and never had an issue with tethering until now)
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I ditched my GUDP last month based on the info from this thread. I used over 30GB of tethering last month, and Verizon shows I used 0GB for tethering. I was excited until this month, as I just got a text that I hit 15GB of tethering and I'm throttled at 600kbs now. Something else I noticed is that when I log into my Verizon account, it shows I'm currently using a Huawei - H1511. If I remember correctly, Verizon couldn't recognize it was a Huawei phone on my account up until now.
Can anyone confirm if using PDA Net or ClockworkMod Tether works around this limitation? The free trials are too limited to fully test them out, and I don't want to purchase the paid version of the apps if I'll be stuck with the same tethering limitations of the stock hotspot.
Thanks!

Pda-Net works Via USB to PC, as for CWM I don't know.

imitebewrong said:
Seems like they can detect it now. As of two days ago I received a text alert from verizon saying I've been throttled to 60/kbps for going over 15GB this month. I can confirm it has indeed been throttled, even while using a vpn in any configuration. (I've been on the "new" unlimited plan since it was re-introduced and never had an issue with tethering until now)
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Ditto on this. I'm now really regretting having moved away from the grandfather plan.

Thank you all for posting, you’ve convinced me to keep gUDP. I am tethering in excess of 1TB per billing cycle. On contract of course. Now to extend the contract...

Found a fix!
I feel silly for not having found this sooner.
https://android.gadgethacks.com/how-to/enable-free-wifi-tethering-android-marshmallow-0167832/
tldr;
add
Code:
net.tethering.noprovisioning=true
to your /system/build.prop file and reboot
Just tested with my new unlimited plan and can confirm I'm now back above the 600kbps mark!!
Lineage OS 14.1 on Axon 7
Edit: Nevermind. I'm not sure what I did the other day but I can't recreate this.

So I hit my 15gb hotspot tether limit on the new verizon " unlimited" plan , I then was limited to ~600kbps as described in the fine print , I however can confirm that if I connect pc via usb or wifi hotspot and place pc or other tethered device on a vpn such as Private internet access I am able to then able to get normal speed ~15mbs I also streamed youtube in 1440p for testing for ~10mins . I will test tonight with my 4k tv watching netflix and see if I can continue past the 22gb limit and still get UHD streaming . FYI im on ipad and iphone , host device does not seem to matter the trick is the device connected to the hotspot must be on a vpn that does not use split tunneling .

Unlocked S10+ on Verizon

Anybody have a S10 series on Verizon answer a couple questions for me?
I would like to confirm if or not bot Mobile Hotspot and MMS message work properly.
and any other quirks and besides the benefits of no belote ware, I'm planning on getting a S20+ but the Verizon version is $300 more than unlocked and I don't need or want Wi-Fi calling.
Thanks in advance

I have the unlocked s10+ G975U1 with Verizon and Mobile Hotspot works fine and MMS works perfectly. For my hotspot i use an app called NetShare (paid) for hotspot, but as i am on the $70 unlimited LTE (prepaid) this is the deprioritized plan meaning if there is congestion Verizon will slow down your data speed.
Only drawback of using International unlocked phone on US carriers is the phone don't support all LTE bands so you might be missing one or two and the data speeds might not be as fast
LTE+ 4bars of signal - Download 43Mbps and Upload 18.6mbps I'm 2 miles away from the tower then on other times i get 70Mbps download and 30mbps upload. The power of (deprioritized plan) lol

EdinM30 said:
I have the unlocked s10+ G975U1 with Verizon and Mobile Hotspot works fine and MMS works perfectly. For my hotspot i use an app called NetShare (paid) for hotspot, but as i am on the $70 unlimited LTE (prepaid) this is the deprioritized plan meaning if there is congestion Verizon will slow down your data speed.
Only drawback of using International unlocked phone on US carriers is the phone don't support all LTE bands so you might be missing one or two and the data speeds might not be as fast
LTE+ 4bars of signal - Download 43Mbps and Upload 18.6mbps I'm 2 miles away from the tower then on other times i get 70Mbps download and 30mbps upload. The power of (deprioritized plan) lol
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Thanks for the reply, what's the plan your reference g to? $70 a month they slow you down? I have the unlimited plus plan
Also isn't there a WI-FI button in the pull down to turn on Mobile hotspot? Do you have to use a app? Thanks sorry for the question but I don't want to pay $300 extra for a phone to get a verizon branded
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XRSTOY1 said:
Thanks for the reply, what's the plan your reference g to? $70 a month they slow you down? I have the unlimited plus plan
Also isn't there a WI-FI button in the pull down to turn on Mobile hotspot? Do you have to use a app? Thanks sorry for the question but I don't want to pay $300 extra for a phone to get a verizon branded
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Some carriers have like Fake Unlimited data plans the Unlimited plan i got for $70 is unlimited but they will slow down or throttle you if there is congestion in your area they prioritize premium or contract plans.
yes there is a mobile hotspot pulldown button but there is a set amount of hotspot GB i can't remember if it's around 10GB or so with that app i can bypass it and use my unlimited data as hotspot

EdinM30 said:
Some carriers have like Fake Unlimited data plans the Unlimited plan i got for $70 is unlimited but they will slow down or throttle you if there is congestion in your area they prioritize premium or contract plans.
yes there is a mobile hotspot pulldown button but there is a set amount of hotspot GB i can't remember if it's around 10GB or so with that app i can bypass it and use my unlimited data as hotspot
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Oh that's pretty nice the limit I have on my hotspot is 15 gig. I used to get unlimited hotspot when I was rooting.
Good to know you can get it now without root.