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Remove display from HU and operate with longer cable

Due to the problem of Opel Astra H having the 2-Din slot quite low, I want to try to install a head unit in the place of the standard Opel display on top of the dash panel. Since there is not enough space behind that display, I'd have to install only the display of the head unit and then put the unit somewhere else - maybe behind the actual 2-Din slot or the glove compartment. Since I don't have a head unit yet (partly because it depends on whether I can do the above), I thought I'd ask here.
1. Looking at pictures of various HUs, it seems removing the front panel with display should be no problem, for example on this unit - https://de.aliexpress.com/store/pro...ith-Octa-Core-2GB-Ram/600991_32805474302.html . Is this the case or are there HUs with the display glued to the HU or otherwise unable to be removed?
2. Is there just one flat cable connecting the display to the HU or are there more? I'm talking about HUs with touch buttons, like the Dasaita unit linked above, not ones with rotary knobs for Vol/Tuner and mechanical buttons for Home, Nav, Radio, etc. Maybe someone can upload a picture of his HU with the front removed?

Joying Head Unit Antenna Control - Software?

I purchased a Joying single-DIN 6.2" head unit from aliexpress and am having two issues. When I first turned it on the display was completely scrambled. I let it boot & sit for a while, but eventually ended up hitting the reset button. I did that three total times, each time the display became (oddly) less scrambled. After the third, it booted up completely normally and I got to work finishing the install.
Once finished, I found the power antenna trigger was not working. No 12v from the stereo. I checked the fuse, then checked for power directly at the stereo connector. Nothing. I temporarily switched the amp-cont with the ant-cont wires, and the antenna worked but the amp did not. So, I'm 100% confident the issue is the stereo - not my wiring or anything else. The car happens to use ISO connectors, so there wasn't much wiring to do.
I dug around in the "developer" menu of Car Settings and found an entry I believe says "Antenna always on" or something like that. I tried enabling it, but the setting wouldn't "stick." Leaving the menu and coming back, the option would be off again. I unplugged the stereo entirely from the car, I hit the reset button a couple more times - got nowhere. I think I made a mistake when I eventually used the Android "reset to defaults" option. The display scrambled itself again. Here's the weird thing: While resetting, the car's antenna moved - I didn't see it, but I heard the motor run in each direction, up and down, in quick succession. Guess it may have moved an inch. After a few resets & key cycles the display came back up, but I was missing a few things - the "live" wallpaper and Torque, for example. I found the apks in the file system and reinstalled without incident. However, *still* no antenna, the antenna developer option still doesn't stick, and the display periodically scrambles itself. Much fun. Do like.
I contacted Joying, who politely offered to send a new display cable but informed me it was National Day in China and would be off for a week. So, maybe National Week? They asked if that was okay, and I let them know it is - I'm not pressed for time, it's no problem.
In the interim, thought I'd ask the brain trust here for opinions. It seems totally logical antenna control is just a software setting, so perhaps there's a fix. The display is more troubling, but perhaps a new cable will indeed fix it. Anybody have any opinions? Is it feasible to download a full Android 6 ROM (?) package and install it, see if a full rewrite fixes things? Something else?

Thought I should be polite and post the answer...
My display issue was a small internal cable connecting the mainboard to the display daughterboard. It was physically damaged, probably upon assembly.
The antenna issue was a VR on the mainboard was not outputting any voltage. Joying pointed it out to me and I verified with a multimeter. Probably a defective part.
I returned the defective head unit (was $$$ - price of buying from China, I suppose) and they promptly sent a replacement. The replacement did everything correctly, has been installed for a week now.
There are definitely some built-in quirks with these things which probably don't need to be reiterated here. Hopefully with some software tweaks I can manage most of them. This is all expected - the hardware works, and in my head that's all I was paying for anyway.
Now, to go find a better music player, launcher, and hopefully a simple way to actually shut the head unit down rather than sleeping it... this car tends to sit for a week or two at a time and the small (~.010a) draw puts the battery at risk over such long intervals.

Just out of curiosity, how much was shipping to return it back to them?
Did they offer to cover any of that?

Guys! Is there a way to control the antenna only when the "Radio" is switched on ? in my case the power antenna is extracted and retracted when I start or switch off the car. Not when using the "Radio". In my previous Kenwood unit (Non Android) power antenna was operated only when the Radio was used. Yes I know the Android radio is a software compared to the Kenwood unit. But there should be a way to operate the antenna on demand doesn't it ?

Gayan said:
Guys! Is there a way to control the antenna only when the "Radio" is switched on ? in my case the power antenna is extracted and retracted when I start or switch off the car. Not when using the "Radio". In my previous Kenwood unit (Non Android) power antenna was operated only when the Radio was used. Yes I know the Android radio is a software compared to the Kenwood unit. But there should be a way to operate the antenna on demand doesn't it ?
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No, that is not possible. In these kind of android units the radio is always (!) switched on. The radio app determines whether you hear it or not.

surfer63 said:
No, that is not possible. In these kind of android units the radio is always (!) switched on. The radio app determines whether you hear it or not.
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I know this is an older post, but I am troubleshooting this same issue now. I believe this is (or at least should be) possible. Here are my findings from 3x different Joying models that I have tested.
UL135N2: Android 5.1? (This is the best/desired functionality)
* Power antenna extends when power on to the HU only if the radio app/tuner is active. (Turn vehicle on)
* Power antenna will extend when power on from pushing the volume knob (vehicle running with radio app active). Antenna also extends when opening radio app. Antenna stays extended when using home button instead of back button to switch to another non-audio player app. Radio app keeps running and antenna stays extended when switching to nav app.
* Power antenna will retract when power off from pushing the volume knob (vehicle running with radio app active). Antenna also retracts when closing radio app via back button or switching to another audio app (ie..BT radio, aux, etc.) after using home button while radio app is running.
* Power antenna retracts almost immediately when power off to the HU (Turn vehicle off)
UO135P4V: Android 8.0 (This is OK because the volume knob power at least controls the antenna)
* Power antenna extends when power is applied to the HU whether radio app is active or inactive (Turn vehicle on)
* Power antenna will extend when power on from pushing the volume knob (with radio app active or inactive)
* Power antenna will retract when power off from pushing the volume knob (with radio app active or inactive)
* Power antenna retracts almost immediately when power off to the HU (Turn vehicle off)
UO135N4G: Android 8.1 (This is worst functionality of all units so far)
* Power antenna extends when power is applied to the HU
* Power antenna will NOT retract when power off from pushing the volume knob (vehicle running with radio app active or inactive)
* Power antenna retracts after several minutes when power off to the HU (Turn vehicle off)
2000 Toyota 4Runner Stereo Wiring
Constant 12V+ Blue/Yellow (or Blue/Black)
Switched 12V+ Gray
Ground Brown
Illumination Purple (Violet)
Dimmer N/A
Antenna Trigger Black/White
Amp Trigger N/A
Joying HU Pinout - (Note that N/A means that there is nothing available for this connection in the vehicle wiring)
Constant 12V+ (BATT) Yellow
Switched 12V+ (ACC) Red
Ground (GND) Black
Illumination (ILLUM) Orange+White
Antenna (ANT.CONT) Blue
Dimmer N/A
N/A (BACK) Orange
N/A (BRAKE) Blue+White
N/A (AMP.CONT) Orange+Black
N/A (KEY1) Brown
N/A (KEY2) Pink
N/A (CAM.IN) Yellow RCA
I am currently using a Toyota harness supplied by Joying. I plan to swap the amp.cont & ant.cont wires per some other posts to see if that might work. I found that the Metra 70-1761 harness seems to jump the amp & ant wires in the harness.
On another note, there are a couple settings (Antenna always on & Amp ON/Off) in the HU that seem to have no affect on functionality. I have reported this to Joying, but they "do not support this feature".

Hi all,
I believe that I am seeing the same issue in my Joying JY-UO138P4 radio as the antenna control lead never goes to 12v. Being that my car does not have a retractable antenna and only requires the power lead for the aftermarket adapter (amplifier); would there be any adverse effects to connecting the antenna control wire to the head units amp control wire and have it on whenever the head unit is on?
thanks,
dave

fdm225 said:
Hi all,
I believe that I am seeing the same issue in my Joying JY-UO138P4 radio as the antenna control lead never goes to 12v. Being that my car does not have a retractable antenna and only requires the power lead for the aftermarket adapter (amplifier); would there be any adverse effects to connecting the antenna control wire to the head units amp control wire and have it on whenever the head unit is on?
thanks,
dave
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I don't believe that you'd need 12v on the ANT-CONT wire if you don't have a power antenna. Just connect the AMP-CONT to your amplifier and you should be good to go.

thesameguy said:
I purchased a Joying single-DIN 6.2" head unit from aliexpress and am having two issues. When I first turned it on the display was completely scrambled. I let it boot & sit for a while, but eventually ended up hitting the reset button. I did that three total times, each time the display became (oddly) less scrambled. After the third, it booted up completely normally and I got to work finishing the install.
Once finished, I found the power antenna trigger was not working. No 12v from the stereo. I checked the fuse, then checked for power directly at the stereo connector. Nothing. I temporarily switched the amp-cont with the ant-cont wires, and the antenna worked but the amp did not. So, I'm 100% confident the issue is the stereo - not my wiring or anything else. The car happens to use ISO connectors, so there wasn't much wiring to do.
I dug around in the "developer" menu of Car Settings and found an entry I believe says "Antenna always on" or something like that. I tried enabling it, but the setting wouldn't "stick." Leaving the menu and coming back, the option would be off again. I unplugged the stereo entirely from the car, I hit the reset button a couple more times - got nowhere. I think I made a mistake when I eventually used the Android "reset to defaults" option. The display scrambled itself again. Here's the weird thing: While resetting, the car's antenna moved - I didn't see it, but I heard the motor run in each direction, up and down, in quick succession. Guess it may have moved an inch. After a few resets & key cycles the display came back up, but I was missing a few things - the "live" wallpaper and Torque, for example. I found the apks in the file system and reinstalled without incident. However, *still* no antenna, the antenna developer option still doesn't stick, and the display periodically scrambles itself. Much fun. Do like.
I contacted Joying, who politely offered to send a new display cable but informed me it was National Day in China and would be off for a week. So, maybe National Week? They asked if that was okay, and I let them know it is - I'm not pressed for time, it's no problem.
In the interim, thought I'd ask the brain trust here for opinions. It seems totally logical antenna control is just a software setting, so perhaps there's a fix. The display is more troubling, but perhaps a new cable will indeed fix it. Anybody have any opinions? Is it feasible to download a full Android 6 ROM (?) package and install it, see if a full rewrite fixes things? Something else?
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Sorry to bring this back
i dug into my car setting developer mode, where do you find the "antenna always on" option from?

I am afraid I have no recollection, but I might be able to poke around this weekend & let you know.
(As a side note, in case I didn't post it at the time - the problem with the antenna turned out to be the mainboard... I traced the circuit and found no output from the stereo under any conditions. It was eventually replaced.)

Eonon GA2168K "DO NOT OPERATE WHILE DRIVING" error while opening apps

Hi All,
I just got this unit from amazon. I have the quad core 2GB RAM 16GB ROM 10.1" version which came with Android 8.1. Installation was easy and the unit seems very nice and fast enough but when ever I try to open an app like spotify or youtube or even OBD apps the screen goes black with "DO NOT operate while driving" error. I tried installing a third party launcher and it caused this error every time I tried to go to the home screen. Google maps does not cause this issue.
I currently wired the rear cable to ground just in case wiring causing the issue but that did not help. Under the settings there is no option in the video section which would allow me to turn off this error. Overall the rom on this as is looks half baked missing bunch of options. I do not even have a system update option for me to flash a different firmware.
Any suggestions that could help me get rid of this annoying issue and use this unit properly?
Thank you all.

Seems nobody cares but I finally figured out the solution. Under settings>car options>about there is another settings button. If you select that and enter "8888" it will take you to the deep settings menu where in drive options you change "Break" to "0". This will get rid of this bug permanently.
Thanks in anyways.

I care
I just had the same exact problem with the same radio
thanks so much for taking the time to update your post!

Do you have anymore information on tips and tricks for this radio?

Hi, tried this on my mekede head unit, took a few minutes to figure out which menu to follow and the part to alter but it worked great. Awesome. Cheers

Eonon ga2168k
Good job on figuring it out... I went through this with the same exact head unit...
Let me expand on this "problem" a little further please...
So most head units now are more than just a radio/CD player ..specifically ones with DVD players (or ones that can play any video really) the manufacturers can be held liable for people getting into an accident while driving because they were watching a movie or had a movie playing (Cant fix stupid) on their head unit located on the dash (as well as it being illegal in most (if not all) states in the USA).
REAR DVD players are exempt from this because... well they are in the rear... and not in the driver's line of sight.
With that being said, one wire on the harness that came with this unit (wire #23 I think) is labeled " BRAKE CONTROL" - IF (a big IF here) EONON set this up like most other head unit manufacturers that make an in dash DVD/video display, this wire needs to be connected to the brake switch so that it receives a signal saying that the brake is "on" and the vehicle is not moving...therefore "SAFE" to operate this unit (watch a movie, video, make setting changes, brew you a cup of coffee, paint your nails etc etc etc......)
Because there is NO REALLY good diagram for wiring this to the brake switch... you are left with a guess as to how it is to be done. (Should just be a positive connection from parking brake to wire.... I think... I guess...)???
This brake safety feature has been in other units for years and a LOT of people negate this circuit (I wont list the ways... it's easy to figure out) I even know of some car installers that worked for a national electronic retail store that would "bypass" this circuit in the customer's cars.
I am glad Eonon put this programming control into the back end of the unit because I, (having installed a few radios in numerous vehicles I have owned) REALLY didnt want to go through the trouble of bypassing the circuit... so shutting it off, on The unit was just as well for me. 1 less wire to worry about.
Just go into the root menu as stated above, and select "BRAKE" then adjust to 0. This removes all enable/disable requirements for that circuit.
Great unit so far... wish Eonon would spend more time writing a more informative instruction manual.. and maybe hire an American or British to actually write the darn thing so people could understand it.
Hope this helps.

I have the same unit but I can't get the panel to light up. Anyone knows how to wire to the car to get the panel to light up?

syung61 said:
I have the same unit but I can't get the panel to light up. Anyone knows how to wire to the car to get the panel to light up?
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Panel as in the buttons not on the touch screen? (Ie power, volume up volume down )
Wire (I believe its orange or blue in color if my memory serves me well) regardless it has a tag on it that says "ILL" or ILLUM... that's for illumination. You need to figure out what wire in your car is for illumination for the stereo... if you cant, run a wire from your headlight switch that controls the parking light. USUALLY, there is a wire for the stereo to make it light up when the headlights are turned on. You just need to find it.

Wyatte Steel said:
Panel as in the buttons not on the touch screen? (Ie power, volume up volume down )
Wire (I believe its orange or blue in color if my memory serves me well) regardless it has a tag on it that says "ILL" or ILLUM... that's for illumination. You need to figure out what wire in your car is for illumination for the stereo... if you cant, run a wire from your headlight switch that controls the parking light. USUALLY, there is a wire for the stereo to make it light up when the headlights are turned on. You just need to find it.
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Yep. In the Eonon harness, it's an Orange wire with a tag on it that says "ILL". just hook it to any wire that feeds your dash lights.

Dears,
anybody tried Eonon GA2178 - 10" Android 9 Head Unit?
I'm actually on Eonon GA2168K - 10" Android 8 Head Unit, it's a good device with minor problems.
Anytime developers fix a problem they introduce an other problem and there's no community support for MTK chipsets.
Because of this I'm evaluating the new Eonon GA2178, that is quite similar but based on Rockchip chipset.
Tks!

Brake setting
On my Ga2172 the brake setting shows open close or speed, so which is it to watch video on the move?

backup camera during boot on Eonon unit

I just chatted with Eonon and they told me that none of their units show the backup camera while it's booting... That's a blow considering all of my vehicles have android headunits and this seems to be the only brand that doesn't have this as an option. I don't have my MCU and ROM info handy but, has there been any discussion about ways to show a backup camera during boot on units that don't have it working out of the box? Unfortunately there are no other sellers who have the "flat face" head unit for my Range Rover, so I'm at the mercy of the unit I have installed.
Thanks.
EDIT: It's an Eonon GA8201A if that makes a difference.

What's wrong with it showing the reverse camera upon reverse? While booting seems odd, especially when the OS is having to load.

Nothing else works while its booting so i wouldnt expect the camera to be any different, what model range rover do you have ?
I just fitted an Eonon GA2175 to my D3/LR3 but yet to route the camera cabling.

Turbine1991 said:
What's wrong with it showing the reverse camera upon reverse? While booting seems odd, especially when the OS is having to load.
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Nothing else works while its booting so i wouldnt expect the camera to be any different, what model range rover do you have ?
I just fitted an Eonon GA2175 to my D3/LR3 but yet to route the camera cabling.
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I has nothing to do with the OS loading and so on. It is normally activated by the reverse gear. Than it gets an electrical signal and the camera video is simply going over everything else. No OS interference at all.
So it could display on start if you have the gear in reverse.
If you do not have the gear in reverse it will not show. I don't know any unit that does this when not in reverse: OS loaded or not. Because it is not controlled by the OS, but by the electrical signal when in reverse.
This is from a central electrical signal: If it would function it would also mean that upon starting, whith the car not in reverse, also the reverse backlights would be on. That would be confusing and thereby dangerous.

Does your webcam work while the PC booting ? , no because the os still has to load before any peripherals will work which is no different to the head unit regardless if you select reverse or not.

My head unit displays the reversing signal through the OS. The Android firmware automatically switches depending on the reverse line. The only way I could see this working the way you say is by using the output of the head unit to the display + the reverse camera and then using a relay to switch between them. Completely separating the OS from the camera feed.

Its wrong design from eonon if this is the case.
The rear signal in all other px5 or a3 or a8 units is controlled by the mcu so when you switch the key and you put reverse no matter what the addon android card does it switches to rear camera.
I dont believe they had done that and you must wait the android to boot ...

First impression of my new Pumpkin 10.2" unit AA04121B-D01

I did it again....
Since last weekend I have the new Pumpkin here and test it extensively at my test place before I install it in the car.
Link to the radio: https://www.autopumpkin.de/autoradi...a-ram-4gb-rom-32gb-unterstutzt-fast-boot.html
Data
Scope of delivery:
2 DIN Unit
10.1 inch glossy screen, with metal frame
Cable set with 2 USB ports
User manual English/German
PX5
64-bit 8-Core Cortex-A53 1.5GHz
Android 9, build number 201907251651
MCU: CSN2_06252ß19_163051 (Despite this MCU the device is obviously a KLYDE device)
Here again an information to the MCU:
It is a PX5, but with a newer mainboard. The CSN2 devices are not firmware-compatible to the known PX5 boards, so there are no custom-roms at the moment.
First impression:
I must say, the first impression is very good.
The first startup was done after about 20 seconds.
The original launcher is as usual from Punpkin, as well as the apps included.
What's new:
Additional USB on the front panel
2 micro SD trays on the front panel
Volume control knob (illuminated)
Knob for App switching (illuminated)
App called "Tachograph," a new app for the Pumpkin USB-Dashcam.
Caravan, an app that supports rear view camera and front camera and you can switch between both cams. (did not try it...)
Sync (I don't know what it's for yet)
CD player for external CD players
An app called "Joykey Study" for certain OEM-Key-Pads, I have to do some research myself...
VoiceControl App Looks like an app for Apple's friends. The app doesn't work for Android phones (at least for mine).
The Settings menu was cleaned up, also the menu for the "factory settings". Here you don't find the strange menu anymore, but it's neatly clean arranged. Unfortunately not in German, but I think you can live with that.
Display of the battery voltage in the status bar is now possible in the "Personal settings".
Also the settings of the phone can be displayed now. Here you can see the field strength and the battery status at the top of the status bar.
The radio runs very smoothly and I was able to install all the apps I needed without any problems. Root was possible with the well-known ADB method without any problems.
The screen is connected to the radio with a flat cable plug, just slide it on and click into place.
You can turn the screen with a little effort in all directions and the holder makes a very stable impression.
First Tests:
The working temperature is important for me. With active route guidance, DAB+ active in the background, Blitzer.de active, the temperature stays ~60°C... and that without any optimization.
Yesterday I installed the radio. The first thing I noticed was, that Pumpkin is finally keeping the usual EUR installation dimensions for this radio. My previous radios always needed a reworked installation frame. A new frame is therefore due because the existing frame was reworked to fit my other units....
Potential for improvement:
Developer menu is password protected. The PW is even not known at Pumpkin. It's marked as secret... But i´m on it.
I got the information from Pumpkin that the new Android 9 design from Pumpkin is still in work. I'm curious when that will come. So I'll show you some pictures as soon I will get it from them.
On my car the phone keys don't work right now, they are not recognized by the app. So I had to change my voice key so that I can answer a call via the steering wheel and hang up (double assignment of the actions goes via long click).
Recommendation:
For me its´s a clear YES, because I don´t need any custom rom. I just use another launcher.

Please comment on the 10-inchness implementation
Did you have to cut into your car plastics? Or does it stick out an leave a gap? Was there a snug adapter with no gaps and no cutting?
Does it tilt/rotate? If it does, does it stay in place when you are operating it or wiggle under your fingers? Does it stay still on bumpy roads? Etc.

Aadieu said:
Please comment on the 10-inchness implementation
Did you have to cut into your car plastics? Or does it stick out an leave a gap? Was there a snug adapter with no gaps and no cutting?
Does it tilt/rotate? If it does, does it stay in place when you are operating it or wiggle under your fingers? Does it stay still on bumpy roads? Etc.
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The unit is exactly 2-DIN large so there is no gap and nothing has to be cut from cockpit plastic at all.
The screen stays completely in place even when placing the hand on the top and using the thumb for a screen touch on bumpy roads.
... and yes, it stays still on bumpy roads.
For my car (Mitsubishi ASX) I need a car specific adapter, because the OEM unit is 2-DIN high but about 6cm wider than 2-DIN but with just a 6" screen and lousy firmware/UI and OS. The adapter I buyed needed to get cut, because nearly all 2-DIN chinese units are not really 2-DIN, they are a bit larger. To get the chinese units in my car, I had to cut the hole larger.
With the new unit I would be able to use the original size... so I have to buy a new one.... unfortunately...
You can tilt and rotate the screen to get rid of any glare and you can move the screen up and down, to get the right position at your dashboard.
Until now I don´t see any bad behavior.