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Gutted, but I think this phone is going back...

I'm truly upset about this, because I think this phone is almost marvellous. But in the two weeks I've had it a few horrible problems have emerged, and I can't find solutions.
If anyone can help (REALLY help), I'd be very grateful.
So. Here I go:
1) The antennae (or whatever). I'm sitting here, in my study, which is in my garden, about 60 feet from the house. In the house (right on the kitchen window) I have a wi-fi AP, to boost the signal. In my study I have : a PS3; a desktop PC; a (Samsung) netbook; an iPhone 3gs; an HTC TP2, and the SGS2. Every single device has a good-to-excellent connection. Except the SGS2. Which says "poor", except that most of the time it can't get a signal at all - so that's not even as good as "poor";
2) I took a friend to hospital today. There were three of us in the waiting room. The SGS2 had no (phone) reception. The others did;
3) On the way to the hospital I needed to use Google Nav. I plugged the SGS2 into my car charger. It didn't charge. I've since tried three different chargers (and no, they weren't from Poundland). Same thing. The SGS2 just won't charge in my car if it needs plenty of juice. I've been trawling the webs and this seems to be a common issue - but nobody has a definite answer. I was about to spring for an official Sammy charger, but nobody seems to know for sure if it'll do the trick.
4) The sound isn't great, either in fidelity (and I'm using Shure SE530s, just so you know I care about good sound) or volume. It's tolerable, but only that. No comparison to my little Sansa clip, or even (I hate to say) the 3GS;
5) (though not as much as some, it would seem) the battery life is a bit meh. And I'm not a heavy user.
I read many people complaining about silly little things. A lot of them are down to software or simple ignorance. But a super-smartphone that has poor connectivity and can't be used as a satnav (whilst simultaneously charging). Well, I'm sorry, but...
As I said at the top, I'm genuinely miserable about this. I really, really thought that this was the Smartphone to Rule Them All.
And, again, if anyone can offer me hope that things will get better, please do. Sadly, I think I'll be going back to separate gadgets to fulfill my needs. A phone that works as a phone (and maybe a diary); a satnav that charges in the car; a music player that sounds good. Etc, etc.

ive got a crappy 8-in-1 car charger works fine.

I have none of the problems you said in your post so maybe you just got a **** phone, maybe return it for another.

rojdag said:
ive got a crappy 8-in-1 car charger works fine.
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Do you mean it works fine when you're also using satnav? Because there seem to be many, many people whose SGS2 won't charge when running satnav.

That's what I was thinking maybe one problem is tolerable but all those things you mentioned I would've been took that boy back for a swap out. Unless you brought it online.
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Mitty1990 said:
I have none of the problems you said in your post so maybe you just got a **** phone, maybe return it for another.
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Yes, maybe I have a "**** phone". Then again, lots of people seem to be having similar issues. Do you think there was a bad batch? Can you charge the phone in-car whilst using satnav? Is your wifi strength as good as your other devices?
I think I may call Vodafone now and see if a replacement helps. That's if they'll still swap it out.

If you arent happy with the phone, return it/exchange it.
simple as.
As for advice, read the threads.

I also have none of the problems you are suffering. My wifi works as well as any other device I have had. Phone signal is better on the same network a my htc desire. Sound quality is better than my desire. Battery life is so far pretty good and will get better with use and even better once 2.3.4 comes out very soon.
As for your charging issues while using nav this is a common thing with cheap chargers, you might not have got it from poundland but its just not supplying enough juice. Had exactly the same problem when I first got my desire over a year ago, ended up modifying my car charger by soldering the data wires together to force it to max out its current output. Use that same charger for my sg2.

The only problem ive had is the car charger one which i didnt realise untill yesterday. All your other problems dont exist on my phone so mabey exchange it

barneypooch said:
Do you mean it works fine when you're also using satnav? Because there seem to be many, many people whose SGS2 won't charge when running satnav.
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just been out to the car and can confirm, it charges fine with google navigation running - seems to make no difference with mine navigation or not.
keep soldiering on dont give up on yer sgs2 yet!

With reference to the car charger problem while using satnav look at http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=670702&highlight=car+charger&page=2
Thats the thread from the HTC desire doing the exact same thing. If your charger is 1000ma you should be able to mod it or a cable so that it will happily charge your sg2, if not make sure the next one you buy can supply enough current.

barneypooch said:
1) The antennae (or whatever)
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The phone seems to have love/hate relationships with different routers. In the way I use it, it works as well as a G2 and G2X connecting in the same locations. I have a beast of a router and what I tend to connect to (airports, hotels, airplanes) have better than average equipment. People have had some luck by replacing their router. If it's software, the imminent 2.3.4. update may help.
The SGS2 had no (phone) reception. The others did
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There have been various postings on this. People with issues popped another carriers SIM in the phone and in a lot of cases the problem went away. Try replacing your SIM. If the phone's just not good reception wise in the areas you travel or on the network you use you may have to return it.
3) The SGS2 just won't charge in my car if it needs plenty of juice.
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I've been using the LG charger from my G2X and it keeps the phone battery-positive using Nav and Bluetooth audio streaming. There's a thread dedicated to this somewhere, do a search.
The sound isn't great I'm using Shure SE530s
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I have the same headphones and am quite pleased with the output. I also stream Bluetooth in my car and the phone easily outperforms the G2 and G2X. There's a long thread discussing audio and a couple of folks using Shure's were getting different results. It might be a hardware issue with your particular phone. But, judging audio is subjective so what's good for me may not be for you.
5) (though not as much as some, it would seem) the battery life is a bit meh. And I'm not a heavy user.
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There's an issue with the suspend process in 2.3.3. that drains the battery at idle. The imminent 2.3.4. update should correct this.

I also noted poor wifi signal. Changed my router to a better one and it fixed the issue, however I still have problems in my travels ( hotels, bars, airports ).
Regrading the navigation, I did a total of 2500km ( 2 long trips of 900 km each + other small and medium trips ) with the phone being in nav mode. I had the battery issue you described due to overheating, but as soon as I protected the phone from direct sunlight ( a small piece of paper over it ) or kept a small flow of air on it ( placed it near the AC vent and redirected the flow twoards it ) the issue got resolved. Using a 500mA car USB charger my phone stays cool at about 36 degrees C and the battery gets +1% every few mins ( navigation + wifi tethering on with Kies over wifi activated ). In regards to the software, I mainly use iGo or Copilot.
So solution: make sure you have a little airflow on your phone and a little space between the back of the phone and the phone holder. Satisfy these 2 conditions and you will eliminate the charging problems.

rojdag said:
just been out to the car and can confirm, it charges fine with google navigation running - seems to make no difference with mine navigation or not.
keep soldiering on dont give up on yer sgs2 yet!
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Thanks for that, mate. Just to say: my phone "says" it's charging in the car; but when I do a drive with the satnav, then unplug the phone, it hasn't actually been charging. Again, I'm not the only one with this problem (or feature).

@azra2k
"So solution: make sure you have a little airflow on your phone and a little space between the back of the phone and the phone holder. Satisfy these 2 conditions and you will eliminate the charging problems."
Thanks for those suggestions. Really, though: why should that be necessary? It's all a bit Heath-Robinson, is it not? I don't have to put pieces of paper over other satnav devices, or lodge them in the a/c vents.
I may buy the official Samsung charger but there are people elsewhere who've had no luck with that.

barneypooch said:
Thanks for that, mate. Just to say: my phone "says" it's charging in the car; but when I do a drive with the satnav, then unplug the phone, it hasn't actually been charging. Again, I'm not the only one with this problem (or feature).
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Sat nav will max out the phones power draw, reducing charging to a trickle, it's just a case of taking out almost as much as you are putting in.
I find from using wifi analyser on a few devices what Samsung call two bars in signal strength, most other devices call 3.
Not sure why that is.

barneypooch said:
@azra2k
"So solution: make sure you have a little airflow on your phone and a little space between the back of the phone and the phone holder. Satisfy these 2 conditions and you will eliminate the charging problems."
Thanks for those suggestions. Really, though: why should that be necessary? It's all a bit Heath-Robinson, is it not? I don't have to put pieces of paper over other satnav devices, or lodge them in the a/c vents.
I may buy the official Samsung charger but there are people elsewhere who've had no luck with that.
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Well, I'm sorry, but I find it completely normal to say that some charger we got off eBay, third-party probably that's not even a brand name, isn't capable of feeding our next gen device that has not only a dual core processor, the most ram on the market on any phone, a GIANT screen, not enough dissipation space (for heat) to keep it thin as thin as thin. I'm worried about battery life as well, but oh well. It's the price we have to pay! hehe.

barneypooch said:
And, again, if anyone can offer me hope that things will get better, please do. Sadly, I think I'll be going back to separate gadgets to fulfill my needs. A phone that works as a phone (and maybe a diary); a satnav that charges in the car; a music player that sounds good. Etc, etc.
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Sorry to hear this...but the problem isn't the "GS2" it's your specific GS2. The vast majority of users have maybe one of your problems, which either fixes it self, or fixed through an update. There are even more, who don't even have any of those problems.
I think that you have a faulty unit and if you are upset, get a replacement, because the GSII is one fine device and capable of doing all you need it to do.

Please read my last post for the correct answer to the satnav power supply problem. It has nothing to do with ventilation and everything to do with the type of charger you are using.
You could buy a 1000ma very expensive charger and it still might not charge your phone when under extreme load. Some chargers will only supply 500ma as that is the max that a usb socket on your motherboard is supposed to supply. Doing the mod I described earlier solves this.

barneypooch said:
@azra2k
"So solution: make sure you have a little airflow on your phone and a little space between the back of the phone and the phone holder. Satisfy these 2 conditions and you will eliminate the charging problems."
Thanks for those suggestions. Really, though: why should that be necessary? It's all a bit Heath-Robinson, is it not? I don't have to put pieces of paper over other satnav devices, or lodge them in the a/c vents.
I may buy the official Samsung charger but there are people elsewhere who've had no luck with that.
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I only make sure that the AC is blowing through the defrost holes also... the airflow required is minimum. This applies to all phones and even other dark colored gps devices I owned before... In the summer, the sun heats up the phone and/or gps device a lot. As a test, try leaving the phone in the cradle in the car ( under direct sunlight ) for an hour. The phone can be kept at idle, or even closed. It will heat up a lot... I remember I threw away a compact photo camera cause I forgot it on the dashboard for a day, in the summer (it was pretty much melted and very deformed)...
So a bit of common sense will fix the temperature issues... the charging problems appear due to the temperature issues. If the batter temp is above 50 degrees it will stop charging. When you keep the batter under 50 degrees, a 500mA decent charger will be more than enough to keep the phone running and slowly charge the battery.

General User Experience

Since there is many threads about user experience with new phone, its hard to read all of them.
Lets try to ask in this thread, and users who own it to share experience and other informations.
Thread got permission from Diamondback, thank you

Its simply the best Android smartphone I ever had :laugh:
Great screen, great premium design.

Does it suffer from something?
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This is the best Android device I've ever used - and my first
The one irk I have with it is the headphone flap which I use frequently is a bit annoying to use, and the omnibalance design means that whenever I wake up in the morning from the alarm I always spend at least 10 seconds looking at the back thinking it's the front. But the design is useful in the heavy rain we've had in England lately.

electrash said:
Does it suffer from something?
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Battery life is the only negative in my opinion.

What is your opinion on it (how much up time you get with onr charge)
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electrash said:
What is your opinion on it (how much up time you get with onr charge)
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8-12 hours of very intensive use
24 hours of intenvise use
48 hours of average use
48-72 hours of "just phone" use
Maximum screen time i got was 5h43m with auto brightness - no matter if playing or watching videos. Talk time is great, more than 15 hours. Idle state drains 1% overnight.

In general fantastic phone, great features. Supporting software great, having the ability to backup whatever you want of the internal and external memory, syncing calendar and contacts to your PC.
Phone software is a little buggy, some very strange behaviours. WIFI can be hit and miss, intitial setup had some quirky defects making the initial setup take a while.
Love the multi coloured LED, have missed this. Screen is amazing and everyone I have showed the phone to, this has been there first comment.
Can connect my Canon DSLR to this phone and control most features of the camera using a USB host adaptor. YEAH Baby, couldn't do this with HTC.
Custom EQ in Walkman app, that sound is superb. My previous beats HTC phone has nothing on this. No decoding artifacts, no hissing, lots of bass with my beats headset.
Nice and fast, any lag I have experienced is the kernel and Linux OS, bring on 3.6, JB4.2.
Screen really sucks that battery fast, reduced the default brightness and obviously it is a little better. Standby is fantastic, way better than any of my HTC phones, as mentioned here over night almost no battery drain, and it is still doing autosync. And I have stamina mode dissabled

Sony Xperia Z2 Review [Goods and Bads, Antutu Benchmark Score, Photo Samples]

Im using the device since Tuesday and here are my findings about the device.
Lets start with the Goodies,
Once you hold the phone you know you have got a piece of unique quality phone. It is designed really nice. If I would trust myself I would never use a case for this device.
Battery life is amazing. Nobody can complain about the battery life of this phone unless they have a faulty battery. First day charged it for 4 hours and lasted me 1 day 16 hours. I totally drained my battery and fully charged it and lasted me 1 day 17 hours. (5 hours of screen time on both charges). I would give 10/10 on battery life thats for sure.
Camera is awesome. There are no words to describe to camera quality. I was really worried about the camera quality after seeing some silly pictures taken with the device. So many options to choose on camera. You definitely don't need a third party camera app for this phone.
Recorded some videos at 1080p quality. I can only say "wow". I was mirroring it on my 3D HDTV, everything is so clear. When you upload it to Youtube you dont get as good as quality you have in your phone. Do not judge the video quality of the camera at youtube or any other video uploading websites. They always trim your video and reduce the quality of the videos.
Full Album of photos taken at Botanic garden
Defocus background Mode Photo Samples
Manual Mode Photo Samples
4K Video Quality Sample
Screen, it is really nice and clear. I was also worried about the screen as someone said screen is really dim. That guy must be blind. On highest brightness you cannot even look at the screen cos its shining on your eyes . When it is sunny outside if the screen brightness is not at full you can hardly see the screen but if it is full its fine for me at least.
Sound quality is pretty good on both ways either on speakers or headphones. It can actually be too loud if you are watching good quality movie or listening good quality songs.
Antutu Benchmark Score and Comparisons
And the baddies.
Notification sound and vibration are so low. You can hardly hear your notifications. I have changed my whatsapp notification vibrate to long one still sometimes cant feel it. Hope they will fix it with an update.
Double touch to wake feature is not responsive. I was like tapping 10 times to wake the phone up where I supposed to tap twice. I just dont use it any more. Also I believe it drains the battery.
4K Video recording is out of sync. I believe that cos the screen has to be 4K to get the sync at the right time. It is quite pointless to record videos at 4K unless you have 4K TV.
Fingerprints on back glass I mean it gets dirty so easily I even tried that by washing my hands and after playing a wee while it leaves the fingerprints on the glass is annoying me. I have got a case that problem is sorted but still something could be done for it.
Charging battery is seems so slow to me, takes over 4 hours to fully charge. Not too sure if I have got a faulty charger or everyone is the time as me but it should be quicker in my opinion.
There is no restart button on power menu all the other phones have it. I have no idea why they never put restart button on the power menu.
So far I can say those things about the phone but I will update it when I find out new stuff.

Have you yet encountered the overheating issue on your Z2, also how is call quality on your device?

debrandman said:
Have you yet encountered the overheating issue on your Z2, also how is call quality on your device?
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When I recorded 4K video it was getting warm I did record quite small length of video though 38 seconds.
I think everybody has got that issue it warms up or overheat while recording 4K videos.
I did record 6 mins of 1080p video it was totally fine.
Call quality is really good even with headphones.
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I use the phone for 2 days. the double tap feature it's working very well for me and always responding i just love it and i don't think it consume battery. i use the phone all day with wifi and Lte 4g.. watching YouTube. viber.. WhatsApp . playing with the camera a bit . etc.. and the battery just don't want to go down.. am amazed by the battery life.. and the screen colours and quality just OMG.. I never seen any phone before with same like this screen.. about the RAM i still have around 1.4Gb empty which is amazing after installing all the apps.. so far i never noticed overheating problems just normal warm like other phones
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Cena99 said:
I use the phone for 2 days. the double tap feature it's working very well for me and always responding i just love it and i don't think it consume battery. i use the phone all day with wifi and Lte 4g.. watching YouTube. viber.. WhatsApp . playing with the camera a bit . etc.. and the battery just don't want to go down.. am amazed by the battery life.. and the screen colours and quality just OMG.. I never seen any phone before with same like this screen.. about the RAM i still have around 1.4Gb empty which is amazing after installing all the apps.. so far i never noticed overheating problems just normal warm like other phones
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Yeah I forgot to add the battery life at goodies.
Battery life is amazing 1 day 17 hours it lasted me on second charge. On first charge was almost the same.

Judging from your response on the charging time, I believe the charger provided by Sony has a low current. Since Z2 has quick charge 2.0, get a stronger charging adapter to get a faster charging time.

kingrion88 said:
Judging from your response on the charging time, I believe the charger provided by Sony has a low current. Since Z2 has quick charge 2.0, get a stronger charging adapter to get a faster charging time.
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The Sony charger included has 1.5A current rating.

kingrion88 said:
Judging from your response on the charging time, I believe the charger provided by Sony has a low current. Since Z2 has quick charge 2.0, get a stronger charging adapter to get a faster charging time.
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Where can I a get it?
The charger came with my device is this one as @Jackos said 1.5
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I have yet to receive my Z2 so I am not entirely sure as to where you can get the charger unfortunately.
I believe quick charge 2.0 mean it supports up to more than (>) 4Amp current compare to the ones provided by sony which is 1.5A. This explains how Oppo Find 7 charge its latest flagship with 70% in just 30 minutes since it is provided with 4.5A charger.
.. I could be wrong though.

kingrion88 said:
I have yet to receive my Z2 so I am not entirely sure as to where you can get the charger unfortunately.
I believe quick charge 2.0 mean it supports up to more than (>) 4Amp current compare to the ones provided by sony which is 1.5A. This explains how Oppo Find 7 charge its latest flagship with 70% in just 30 minutes since it is provided with 4.5A charger.
.. I could be wrong though.
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Okay will check and see if I can get faster charger for it.
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I've used double tap to wake a lot, it has never failed once so far. Maybe you accidentally putt glove mode on?
My battery lasted over 22 hours, with 38% left (5 hours 33 mins screen time). Battery charged from 38% to 90% in about an hour, used Sony charger (microsd).
I agree about the ring tone and notification volumes being too soft.

Pesetio said:
I've used double tap to wake a lot, it has never failed once so far. Maybe you accidentally putt glove mode on?
My battery lasted over 22 hours, with 38% left (5 hours 33 mins screen time). Battery charged from 38% to 90% in about an hour, used Sony charger (microsd).
I agree about the ring tone and notification volumes being too soft.
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I have checked the glove mode which is off.
I have turned my double touch to wake function on again so far so good.
Can you tell me what model is your battery charger? is it same as mine? (you can see it above) My battery was charged 54 percent in one and half hour and my phone was off.

PiskopatYazar said:
I have checked the glove mode which is off.
I have turned my double touch to wake function on again so far so good.
Can you tell me what model is your battery charger? is it same as mine? (you can see it above) My battery was charged 54 percent in one and half hour and my phone was off.
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My charger looks smaller then yours, I couldn't take a clear picture of it ATM.
Charger EP880 1269-4154.1
TYPE AC-0401-AU
INPUT: 100-240V~ 300mA 50-60Hz
OUTPUT: 5.0 VDC=== 1500mA
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S/N xxxxxxxxx
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This difference seems to be the input, mine is 300mA while your's is 250mA and made in different places.

I would just like to add I have the same issue with the tap to wake functionality. Its intermittent at best.
I have noticed it happens when the phone has been idle for some time. It will take around 4 taps to wake the screen. Once you do it once, it will pretty much do it perfect every time repeatedly. That's as far as my trouble shooting has established so far.
It is definitely an issue though and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.
Where did you get your Z2 from? Wasn't O2 by any chance?

Pesetio said:
My charger looks smaller then yours, I couldn't take a clear picture of it ATM.
Charger EP880 1269-4154.1
TYPE AC-0401-AU
INPUT: 100-240V~ 300mA 50-60Hz
OUTPUT: 5.0 VDC=== 1500mA
PSM08AU-050S
S/N xxxxxxxxx
Made in China by Phihong
This difference seems to be the input, mine is 300mA while your's is 250mA and made in different places.
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Yeah that's the only difference where do you live? Why I got everything different than other people. My headphones are different as well I believe a model down one I have.
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leecasey said:
I would just like to add I have the same issue with the tap to wake functionality. Its intermittent at best.
I have noticed it happens when the phone has been idle for some time. It will take around 4 taps to wake the screen. Once you do it once, it will pretty much do it perfect every time repeatedly. That's as far as my trouble shooting has established so far.
It is definitely an issue though and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.
Where did you get your Z2 from? Wasn't O2 by any chance?
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I bought it from three.
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PiskopatYazar said:
Yeah that's the only difference where do you live? Why I got everything different than other people. My headphones are different as well I believe a model down one I have.
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I'm from Australia. Don't worry, I have the bad earphones too.
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leecasey said:
I would just like to add I have the same issue with the tap to wake functionality. Its intermittent at best.
I have noticed it happens when the phone has been idle for some time. It will take around 4 taps to wake the screen. Once you do it once, it will pretty much do it perfect every time repeatedly. That's as far as my trouble shooting has established so far.
It is definitely an issue though and don't let anyone else tell you otherwise.
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I just woke up about 1 1/2 hours ago and the phone double tap on first try for me, have all the power saving options turned on. I am not saying it's not an issue, it's just not an issue for me because it has worked for me 100% of the times I've tried it. Not sure if I'm just lucky or if I'm some kind of double tap master.

Pesetio said:
I'm from Australia. Don't worry, I have the bad earphones too.
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I just woke up about 1 1/2 hours ago and the phone double tap on first try for me, have all the power saving options turned on. I am not saying it's not an issue, it's just not an issue for me because it has worked for me 100% of the times I've tried it. Not sure if I'm just lucky or if I'm some kind of double tap master.
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Apologies, I wasn't implying everyone has the issue but it's definitely an issue for a large amount of people. There is a thread about it on the Sony forums. Nothing acknowledged as of yet though.

leecasey said:
Apologies, I wasn't implying everyone has the issue but it's definitely an issue for a large amount of people. There is a thread about it on the Sony forums. Nothing acknowledged as of yet though.
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All good, no need to apologies.
Could be due to touch screen responsiveness on some screens.

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All good, no need to apologies.
Could be due to touch screen responsiveness on some screens.
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its fine after the initial attempt from a long idle period though. Who's using the official flip case? I am. I'm wondering if the felt against the surface could be causing some kind of weird problem. Clutching at straws but trying to find some common/uncommon ground.

Help me take a dump! or ask questions :p

I've been testing the device for about a month now and I'd like to help the community. If anyone could help me help you, help us all, I'd be willing.
Also I can try to answer any questions you might have about the device before you purchase it. It really is lovely.

m0nz said:
I've been testing the device for about a month now and I'd like to help the community. If anyone could help me help you, help us all, I'd be willing.
Also I can try to answer any questions you might have about the device before you purchase it. It really is lovely.
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Does it really have always listening capabilities when the screen is off? And could you do a video of it? I think we would all appreciate it very much.

Question, is it the same type of charging plug as a galaxy note 3 or is it something new. Because I hear there's a faster charging process now
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Do you have the T-Mo variant? If so, is it loaded with bloat. Is the bootloader unlocked?
If it's the international (with snapdragon chip), does T-Mo LTE work?
Thanks.

aooga said:
Does it really have always listening capabilities when the screen is off? And could you do a video of it? I think we would all appreciate it very much.
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As far as listening capabilities, I'm not 100% sure. "Ok Google" doesn't work when the screen is off... However maybe I need to explore more of the S Voice feature. I'll look into it while I prepare a video for ya'll - I'll try to get that done sooner than later.
Tenkuma said:
Question, is it the same type of charging plug as a galaxy note 3 or is it something new. Because I hear there's a faster charging process now
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The port changed back to USB 2 - I know wtf, right? Apparently too many people complained about the usb 3 port not being compatible - HA. Guess people didn't know you could still use a micro usb 2.0 connector? It does however charge just as fast when using AC.
Closed Source Project said:
Do you have the T-Mo variant? If so, is it loaded with bloat. Is the bootloader unlocked?
If it's the international (with snapdragon chip), does T-Mo LTE work?
Thanks.
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It's the tmo variant - bloat is unfortunately about the same as the Note 3 - T-Mobile vvm, my account, tv, name id, all the google apps, - literally all of them, facebook... no messenger, and that's about it.
The bootloader being locked - I'm not sure, I'd like to find out. How?

m0nz said:
As far as listening capabilities, I'm actually not 100% sure. "Ok Google" doesn't work when the screen is off... However maybe I need to explore more of the S Voice feature. I'll look into it while I prepare a video for ya'll - I'll try to get that done sooner than later.
The bootloader being locked - I'm not sure, I'd like to find out. How?
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Does it work on the lock screen? And I don't think there's a way to find out about the boot loader without actually flashing a recovery image.

aooga said:
Does it work on the lock screen? And I don't think there's a way to find out about the boot loader without actually flashing a recovery image.
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Somebody needs to get a hold of Chainfire.

re: usb cable/plug/charging/data transfer
Tenkuma said:
Question, is it the same type of charging plug as a galaxy note 3 or is it something new. Because I hear there's a faster charging process now
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They changed the usb cable to a normal one, no more thick cable with the strange
wide plug... Samsung added a quick chargiing method which can charge the phone
50% full in 30 minutes, meaning that if the battery is drained it can fully charge it
in about an hour.
I always hated the new wide usb plug for the usb cable, a few days after purchasing
the Note 3 I found out that the normal old usb cable with the mini usb plug could can
be used on Note 3, I know the wide plug and the thick cable were meant to be used with
USB 3.0 however I tested the time it took to copy a 2GB file using my computer's usb 3.0
and the note 3's special thick usb cable and found that there was virtually no difference in
copying the 2GB file, and there was no difference in charging time.

I seriously doubt that it will fully charge in an hour. It makes sense if you do the math but there has to be a catch.

Yes the 50% in a half hour is correct but it switches to trickle charging at some point and thus takes longer.
This I think is just the built-in fast charging of the snapdragon 805, same as other phones.

m0nz said:
As far as listening capabilities, I'm not 100% sure. "Ok Google" doesn't work when the screen is off... However maybe I need to explore more of the S Voice feature. I'll look into it while I prepare a video for ya'll - I'll try to get that done sooner than later.
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there is supposed to be a setting that you can turn on, and its from google now, not s voice. if you find it, let us know

Have you tried using GPS while charging the phone? I am considering switching from LG G3 to Note 4 specifically because G3 overheats when using GPS and charging at the same time. I'd rather not spend a bunch of money if Note 4 does the same thing.
Thank you.

railshot said:
Have you tried using GPS while charging the phone? I am considering switching from LG G3 to Note 4 specifically because G3 overheats when using GPS and charging at the same time. I'd rather not spend a bunch of money if Note 4 does the same thing.
Thank you.
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If you're talking about using it in your car, my S5 does heat up quite a bit. It doesn't shut down or anything, but with the screen on full brightness, GPS running and charging wirelessly, it heats up a LOT. Keep in mind this is in 95 degree weather with the AC never really touching the phone.

aooga said:
If you're talking about using it in your car, my S5 does heat up quite a bit. It doesn't shut down or anything, but with the screen on full brightness, GPS running and charging wirelessly, it heats up a LOT. Keep in mind this is in 95 degree weather with the AC never really touching the phone.
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Yes in the car. And I understand that it will heat up. The problem is if it's heating up to the point of stopping charging, because on a long trip (just when you need the GPS most) you can't use this functionality. My use case is exactly as you described - So Cal weather, full brightness (because sun), wireless charging and GPS. I know that's pushing the envelope, but for the price, I expect it to be able to do it.

railshot said:
Yes in the car. And I understand that it will heat up. The problem is if it's heating up to the point of stopping charging, because on a long trip (just when you need the GPS most) you can't use this functionality. My use case is exactly as you described - So Cal weather, full brightness (because sun), wireless charging and GPS. I know that's pushing the envelope, but for the price, I expect it to be able to do it.
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It might since the 805 is a newer chip, but still, the note 4 screen is insanely bright. You have to see it to know what I mean.

Can anyone please post in a zip file the Boot & Shutdown Animations as well as all the sounds included in the Note 4... Please... Thanks!

railshot said:
Yes in the car. And I understand that it will heat up. The problem is if it's heating up to the point of stopping charging, because on a long trip (just when you need the GPS most) you can't use this functionality. My use case is exactly as you described - So Cal weather, full brightness (because sun), wireless charging and GPS. I know that's pushing the envelope, but for the price, I expect it to be able to do it.
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Air Vent Mount
This should definately keep the phone cool, not sure how you're wireless charging is setup, but you can always cable charge and then a universal vent mount will keep it super cool.

Is volte working out the box?Does the battery last like the note 3?
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Listening chip?

Will the 6P have that dedicated chip that's always listening for the OK google hotword without heavy battery drain?

The question is "without heavy battery drain"
Moto said their service was on a low draw core on the Pure and they were full of crap because turning off all their crapware is the only way you can even net anything close to decent battery life. Can google get it right? I don't know but I'll probably turn it off regardless.

jam256 said:
Will the 6P have that dedicated chip that's always listening for the OK google hotword without heavy battery drain?
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Isn't that part of the Android Sensor Hub?

jam256 said:
Will the 6P have that dedicated chip that's always listening for the OK google hotword without heavy battery drain?
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Aridon said:
The question is "without heavy battery drain"
Moto said their service was on a low draw core on the Pure and they were full of crap because turning off all their crapware is the only way you can even net anything close to decent battery life. Can google get it right? I don't know but I'll probably turn it off regardless.
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I wonder if the Android Sensor Hub is just a fancy name for the Hexagon DSP in Snapdragon chips? I've been using the always-on function of "OK Google" on my Note 4 for quite some time and haven't noticed any significant battery drain. I've left my phone off the charger overnight and I typically get about .5-1% drain per hour, depending on what notifications I get during the course of the night. That's about what I had before turning on "OK Google". The only issue I've had is the consistency with Google Now activating with the screen off. I think Android sometimes kills Google Now if it's not used in a while.

Using ok google everywhere in nexus 6 all the time.. Works great with screen off... Love this feature... So useful when u dont want to pick up the phone or driving.

I can't bring myself to talk to my phone..... I've tried and felt like a complete pillock!

I hope this function works on the 6P still and doesn't drain a lot of battery. I do use it a lot with my N6 right now. However, I only use it when I am alone I could not think of talking to my phone like that in public haha.

Huh? It's a sensor built into Qualcomm sd chips. The nexus 5 had it. It just didn't have the software for always listening with the screen off..... I think it was on the nexus 6 because it was a moto and Google owned moto. Id assume we wouldn't go backwards. Since the functionality is built into Google's own app. I think it's safe to say it's here to stay
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Smallsmx3 said:
Huh? It's a sensor built into Qualcomm sd chips. The nexus 5 had it. It just didn't have the software for always listening with the screen off..... I think it was on the nexus 6 because it was a moto and Google owned moto. Id assume we wouldn't go backwards. Since the functionality is built into Google's own app. I think it's safe to say it's here to stay
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No this is supposed to be a different sensor not the DSP you are referring to. The Android Sensor Hub does more than just always listening, it allows for more accurate step counting, finger print unlock without waking the phone etc... Watch the keynote for the launch of you want more details

Howie Dub said:
I wonder if the Android Sensor Hub is just a fancy name for the Hexagon DSP in Snapdragon chips? I've been using the always-on function of "OK Google" on my Note 4 for quite some time and haven't noticed any significant battery drain. I've left my phone off the charger overnight and I typically get about .5-1% drain per hour, depending on what notifications I get during the course of the night. That's about what I had before turning on "OK Google". The only issue I've had is the consistency with Google Now activating with the screen off. I think Android sometimes kills Google Now if it's not used in a while.
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check this blog post
http://androidcommunity.com/google-...ims-to-greatly-improve-battery-life-20150930/
" only the latest Nexus smartphones have the Android Sensor Hub. Google said it will be a standard feature in future Android devices so that's something to look forward to"
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