Hey all,
I am in the market for a new android head unit for my car (07' Civic Type R EU). I already purchased the Connects2 kit for fascia and to retain SWC control. I have read a lot of threads in this forum and as far as I understood all of the Chinese android units are almost the same except with different bugs and caveats. Currently I'm choosing between 7" universal 2GB Intel based from Joying (DE-JY-UM124 model) and Ownice C500 (DGS7002G?) with octa core (PX5?). Both of them are around the same price but even after reading through a lot of topics there is still not correct choice. A plus for PX5 would be the custom Malaysk's ROMs which provide quite a lot of fixes/additions to the unit.
I would mainly use the head unit for radio/BT audio/Spotify/etc, aftermarket rear camera and maybe DVR (I heard Ownice C500 has problems with turning on the rear view camera when in reverse?), GPS navigation. Would also try out ODBII capabilities and other options that the head unit would provide.
Which would be the best option (maybe something else would be better? I heard Malaysk bought from Dasaita, but they do not ship to Lithuania)?
Also, any suggestions before doing the purchase/installation? I bought a pack of small aluminium heatsink radiators as I was reading that Joying unit had some problems with dissipating heat, is the internal layout for PX5 Ownice C500 much different? Or does the unit not suffer from high temperatures and throttling?
Thank you in advance.
gesa26 said:
Hey all,
I am in the market for a new android head unit for my car (07' Civic Type R EU). I already purchased the Connects2 kit for fascia and to retain SWC control. I have read a lot of threads in this forum and as far as I understood all of the Chinese android units are almost the same except with different bugs and caveats. Currently I'm choosing between 7" universal 2GB Intel based from Joying (DE-JY-UM124 model) and Ownice C500 (DGS7002G?) with octa core (PX5?). Both of them are around the same price but even after reading through a lot of topics there is still not correct choice. A plus for PX5 would be the custom Malaysk's ROMs which provide quite a lot of fixes/additions to the unit.
I would mainly use the head unit for radio/BT audio/Spotify/etc, aftermarket rear camera and maybe DVR (I heard Ownice C500 has problems with turning on the rear view camera when in reverse?), GPS navigation. Would also try out ODBII capabilities and other options that the head unit would provide.
Which would be the best option (maybe something else would be better? I heard Malaysk bought from Dasaita, but they do not ship to Lithuania)?
Also, any suggestions before doing the purchase/installation? I bought a pack of small aluminium heatsink radiators as I was reading that Joying unit had some problems with dissipating heat, is the internal layout for PX5 Ownice C500 much different? Or does the unit not suffer from high temperatures and throttling?
Thank you in advance.
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Be careful. Ownice 500 is NOT px5.
Ownice is Allwinner octacore processor while px5 is rockchip.
Ownice community support is very low compared with mtcd units (px5 is mtcd based - mtcd is the mcu type)
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ikerg said:
Be careful. Ownice 500 is NOT px5.
Ownice is Allwinner octacore processor while px5 is rockchip.
Ownice community support is very low compared with mtcd units (px5 is mtcd based - mtcd is the mcu type)
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Ownice uses Mediatek a MT3561 (quad core) and MT3562 (octa core), no alwinner
What would be the best PX5 head unit then? At a similar price - around 300EU. 7inch, universal, preferably with physical buttons
gesa26 said:
What would be the best PX5 head unit then? At a similar price - around 300EU. 7inch, universal, preferably with physical buttons
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CHeck this model
https://es.aliexpress.com/store/pro...32789102885.html?spm=2114.12010612.0.0.HyDcTk
ikerg said:
CHeck this model
htt ps://es.a liexpress.com/store/product/Dasaita-Android-6-0-Auto-Radio-Qcta-Core-7-Inch-2-DIN-Universal-Car-NO-DVD/600991_32789102885.html?spm=2114.12010612.0.0.HyDcTk
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As I mentioned previously - Dasaita doesn't ship to Lithuania :/
gesa26 said:
As I mentioned previously - Dasaita doesn't ship to Lithuania :/
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Sorry...I didnt remember that was you.
Ask to @hotaudio specifically if the shipping to Lithuania could be solved.
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Got my Joying yesterday after I got this advice from a friend: Intel knows how to sleep and will wake-up/boot in 2-3 seconds, which I confirm. Other units will take 30-40 seconds to boot-up. Plus the 3GB RAM. I was very surprised of the quality, especially the display.
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Got my Joying yesterday after I got this advice from a friend: Intel knows how to sleep and will wake-up/boot in 2-3 seconds, which I confirm. Other units will take 30-40 seconds to boot-up. Plus the 3GB RAM. I was very surprised of the quality, especially the display.
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Is Not 3gb RAM... isn't it?
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ikerg said:
Is Not 3gb RAM... isn't it?
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Ikerg says the truth,
There is no Joying model with 3 Gb of ram and there are no Mediatek processors with the MT3561 and MT3562 characters. Ownice uses processors that are not Mediatek.
Even the MTCD head units with PX5 have a fast 2 second boot and the PX5 is really a fast processor.
Sincerely Ownice C500 is to be discarded, Joying is a good brand but the PX5 is more performing as a processor than Sofia.
At least I checked this out.
apollo1976 said:
Ikerg says the truth,
There is no Joying model with 3 Gb of ram and there are no Mediatek processors with the MT3561 and MT3562 characters. Ownice uses processors that are not Mediatek.
Even the MTCD head units with PX5 have a fast 2 second boot and the PX5 is really a fast processor.
Sincerely Ownice C500 is to be discarded, Joying is a good brand but the PX5 is more performing as a processor than Sofia.
At least I checked this out.
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I do totally agree
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Which Joying units have a PX5? Any universals?
I don't beleive Ownice should be discarded. The New Octacore seems to be working fine in all the right areas, and plenty of speed/capability. Granted only had a few days but I have tested almost every function satisfactorily (except DAB+)
For a car, refuse to have a unit with no volume rotary knob, as I don't have a car with steering wheel controls and I don't like the add ons.
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Which Joying units have a PX5? Any universals?
I don't beleive Ownice should be discarded. The New Octacore seems to be working fine in all the right areas, and plenty of speed/capability. Granted only had a few days but I have tested almost every function satisfactorily (except DAB+)
For a car, refuse to have a unit with no volume rotary knob, as I don't have a car with steering wheel controls and I don't like the add ons.
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Joying does not manufacture any px5 . They bet for Intel sofia units.
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velocity4 said:
Which Joying units have a PX5? Any universals?
I don't beleive Ownice should be discarded. The New Octacore seems to be working fine in all the right areas, and plenty of speed/capability. Granted only had a few days but I have tested almost every function satisfactorily (except DAB+)
For a car, refuse to have a unit with no volume rotary knob, as I don't have a car with steering wheel controls and I don't like the add ons.
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What about this:
Dasaita Android 6.0 Auto Radio Octa Core 7 Inch 2 DIN Universal Car NO DVD player GPS Stereo Audio Head unit Support DAB DVR OBD
http://s.aliexpress.com/QVvMJzIR
(from AliExpress Android)
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I would buy the Dasaita one, I was in contact with @hotaudio as somehow the aliexpress store doesn't ship to Lithuania. One thing that bites me off is possible customs/VAT which could inflate the price to like 30% more than Joying unit from Germany
As a Joying Intel Sofia user I can only recommend the Joying brand and the Sofia units . Yes the quad core might be a bit low clocked but it's pretty fine for everything, GPS apps, music from various sources, and real time sound processing made by Viper. The onboard 32Gb of storage is more then generous and the 2Gb of RAM are very nice to have. The presence of GLONASS is more then welcome and a good addition for the city's with high buildings for a better GPS accuracy. Joying made the jump from Andoid 5 to 6 and they are working to polish it. There is a good community around the Intel Sofia with plenty of mods.
And the instant power on... oh man... I don't if I can live without it.
Can anyone confirm if the Octo-core C500 units now support RDS functions?
MugenSi said:
Can anyone confirm if the Octo-core C500 units now support RDS functions?
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The octa-core? yes it does, also the rear cam works if the radio is booting up
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The octa-core? yes it does, also the rear cam works if the radio is booting up
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All chinese units come with poor RDS support. Almost none of them really properly supports RDS-RT and almost none of them supports RDS-AF in the correct way.
Can you confirm that works correct on the Ownice Octa-core? Because that would really be a premium.
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The octa-core? yes it does, also the rear cam works if the radio is booting up
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So the station name automatically displays once a radio station is selected/tuned in??
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So the station name automatically displays once a radio station is selected/tuned in??
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That is the RDS-PS function. All chinese units do that. It is the rest they lack and especially the incorrectly implemented AF sucks.
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Hi guys. I'm looking for an Android head unit thats stable and pretty much plug'n'play.
I dont have alot of demands apart from the above so i'll just list the rest of them and hear if you guys got some suggestions on what to get.
The car i got is a 2008 Seat Leon.
"demands" list:
GPS (Maybe through google maps if possible since i like that gps)
Radio
Being able to hear music through spotify (on the device)
Being able to stream music from phone (through spotify etc)
Radio RDS (if possible?)
So is there anything out there for me?
Sure. Most will do that.
I recommend the newer Joying units with Intel CPU and 2 GB RAM. They're pretty fast.
if you want plug and play, get a unit specific for your vehicle. like @doitright said, the new Joying units are pretty great
You can go to mtcd intel 2gb (not joying). Same processor, same bt and wifi....different mcu but old and stable mcu (used on old mtcd rk3188 chipset based)
They are often cheaper than joying (perhaps less support but full covered by XDA forums)
You have to ensure it is intel and 2gb ram (never go to rk3188 1gb ram because it ia laggy and slow)
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ikerg said:
You can go to mtcd intel 2gb (not joying). Same processor, same bt and wifi....different mcu but old and stable mcu (used on old mtcd rk3188 chipset based)
They are often cheaper than joying (perhaps less support but full covered by XDA forums)
You have to ensure it is intel and 2gb ram (never go to rk3188 1gb ram because it ia laggy and slow)
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Do you have a link to these bro?
I'm getting this Toyota Fielder 2012 (NZE161) [basically the Japanese version of the Corolla wagon] this week. As this is a JDM car, it comes with a sat nav that only does Japan and everything is in Japanese.
I am looking for a cheap android head unit with basic needs -- will support the rear view camera already installed, will support the GPS antenna already there in the wind screen, will support the steering controls, play the radio, music and a few videos from the SD card, be able to update google maps via wifi, blutooth would be nice too.
Since I am in Bangladesh I have no access to Amazon and ebay and headunits in Aliexpress are a bit confusing. I'm not sure which head unit would go into the dash properly.
Any suggestions, pointing directions would be greatly appreciated.
I'm also looking for a new head unit for my Toyota (2012 GT86), I'm pretty much after the same thing as you, it should be fast and will play spotify most of the time, also an SIM will be fitted. I'm debating between the latest Joying with Intel Sofia chipset or the Ownice C500 Quad or even octa core. They all seem to be a very solid buy. The ownice comes in a Toyota special version which seems to be really plug and play and does not require any additional cables. I do think you have to fit the GPS receiver of the new head unit though. The camera could be compatible if it has a RCA or S video plug (mine oem Toyota has s video)
Go to any intel 2gb ram:
× joying units
× mtcd intel units
Look for joying store in aliexpress and look for the best model that could fit your car (or go to universal one) but ensure it is intel 2gb ram
Well supported in xda forums and they can be used for all you want.
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ikerg said:
Go to any intel 2gb ram:
× joying units
× mtcd intel units
Look for joying store in aliexpress and look for the best model that could fit your car (or go to universal one) but ensure it is intel 2gb ram
Well supported in xda forums and they can be used for all you want.
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The Joying ones in aliexpress are either too big to fit my car or have 1GB of RAM. What sort of problems will I face if have to go for a 1GB ram head unit?
ROBINGAZI said:
The Joying ones in aliexpress are either too big to fit my car or have 1GB of RAM. What sort of problems will I face if have to go for a 1GB ram head unit?
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I do not recommend 1gb ram
Joying has both 1din and 2din Intel 2gb
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This is the unit I finally went for. Now fingers crossed.
ROBINGAZI said:
This is the unit I finally went for. Now fingers crossed.
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You will not regret
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ikerg said:
I do not recommend 1gb ram
Joying has both 1din and 2din Intel 2gb
The 2din intel 2gb with 5.1 its MTCD unit ?
Thanks for your attention
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Wait a bit the MTCD PX5s are probably the way to go. Right now you can only get the Universal, but soon they'll have them for more cars. Just give it another month.
Hi all,
I'm after an Android HU for my 05 Astra. Previously I've only bought universal units, never one specifically for my make/model. I currently own a Parrot Asteroid Smart and an Eonon RK3188 unit. I love the bluetooth call quality and functions of the Parrot but it's dated now and can't run alot of apps. The Eonon can run any apps but has the common issue with terrible bluetooth call quality. It seems the current choices are either Intel Sofia based or Octacore units. I'm presuming the Bluetooth problems of the previous generation are fixed on both of these now? A couple of questions:
1) Which brand is a good choice?
a) Joying. I generally hear good things about them, but they are running the Quadcore Intel Sofia platform only which I have heard can get quite hot, no Octacore options and the video on their page seemed to show some lag - https://www.carjoying.com/head-unit...th-audio-backup-camera-1024-600-full-tou.html
b) Ownice. not sure about their reputation, seems a bit mixed compared to some of the others. http://www.ownice.com/Pro_Car GPS navi for Opel Astra Antara Corsa Zafira_402.html
c) Dasaita/HotAudio. Looks very similar unit to the Ownice, not sure which has the better support/software? I read that Malaysk has bought one of these so potential for custom ROM in future? http://www.hot-audio.com/product/Da...re_2GB_Ram_Auto_Radio_Multimedia_Navi-95.html
d) In-Dash-Net/Mind Bridge. I've been following the InDashNet thread for a while and see that they have recently upgraded to Parrot Bluetooth, but only on the universal unit not on the Astra specific http://www.in-dash.net/buy_en/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=22_8&product_id=22 So I would need adaptors to get the unit to fit correctly and steering wheel controls etc working http://www.in-dash.net/buy_en/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=23&product_id=268
e) Any others I have missed? Seems that it would be a waste of money getting an Intel Quadcore with the Octacore units gaining popularity, but perhaps the Intel units are more refined?
2) Are these specific units plug and play, requiring no adaptors to get standard features (ie steering wheel controls) working without canbus adaptors etc?
Any suggestion is much appreciated, would be great to hear from anyone using an Astra specific unit and what their thoughts are. Thanks in advance!
Only for Support, clearly Joying, don't worry about x86 chips.. they're faster than mediatek and rockchip. About temperaturas you can use a heat sink or a fan
Ownice is a good one but they not have RDS for example and not as good support as joying
The rest I don't trust on them, just read here about whats the most supported by community
Joying could give some kins of support ....but the really good support is the community support
Even joying is the reference for Intel sofia...dasaita is for px5. The best community developers are moving to px5 and Malaysk has moved to dasaita px5
Px5 is the premium model (new px3 2gb ram will be the basic model)
Ask @hotaudio for the specific model for your car.
I have an Intel hotaudio and I am going to move to hotaudio px5 as well.
Avoid ownice....lot of problems and very low community support
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I'm thinking about installing this: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B06Y5LBT2N into my 2009 Jetta TDI.
Are there any features I might be missing out on?
Roy360 said:
I'm thinking about installing this: https://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B06Y5LBT2N into my 2009 Jetta TDI.
Are there any features I might be missing out on?
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Yes. 800x480 resolution (too low) and only 1gb ram. it seems to be an Intel sofia mtcd based unit. Avoid any android headunit with only 1gb ram like that.
I recommend a universal px5 mtcd based (2gb ram. 32gb ROM) like this
Dasaita 7" Android 6.0 Car GPS Player for 2 Din Universal with Octa Core 2GB Ram Auto Radio Multimedia GPS NAVI 4G LTE
http://s.aliexpress.com/bmmm6ZbQ
(from AliExpress Android)
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ikerg said:
Yes. 800x480 resolution (too low) and only 1gb ram. it seems to be an Intel sofia mtcd based unit. Avoid any android headunit with only 1gb ram like that.
I recommend a universal px5 mtcd based (2gb ram. 32gb ROM) like this
Dasaita 7" Android 6.0 Car GPS Player for 2 Din Universal with Octa Core 2GB Ram Auto Radio Multimedia GPS NAVI 4G LTE
http://s.aliexpress.com/bmmm6ZbQ
(from AliExpress Android)
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I was hoping to buy one from Amazon, so I could return it incase it's a dud.
But you might be right about the ram and resolution.
Does the unit you linked support TF card? Judging from the item description, it doesn't look like it does
Roy360 said:
I was hoping to buy one from Amazon, so I could return it incase it's a dud.
But you might be right about the ram and resolution.
Does the unit you linked support TF card? Judging from the item description, it doesn't look like it does
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Normally all units have sdcard slot....but in the case it doesn't it has three USB ports or how to this
Dasaita 6.2" Android 6.0 Car GPS DVD Player for Double 2 Din Universal with Octa Core 2GB Ram Auto Radio Multimedia NAVI 4G LTE
http://s.aliexpress.com/iuuERjYF
(from AliExpress Android)
Or to his 7inch
Dasaita Android 6.0 Auto Radio Octa Core 7 Inch 2 DIN Universal Car NO DVD Player GPS Stereo Audio Head Unit Support DAB DVR OBD
http://s.aliexpress.com/QVvMJzIR
(from AliExpress Android)
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I learned the hard way that 1GB of ram just doesn't cut it. Also be careful with the unit's sizing, a lot of the chinese ones are larger and require modifications to fit right.
ikerg said:
Yes. 800x480 resolution (too low) and only 1gb ram. it seems to be an Intel sofia mtcd based unit. Avoid any android headunit with only 1gb ram like that.
I recommend a universal px5 mtcd based (2gb ram. 32gb ROM) like this
Dasaita 7" Android 6.0 Car GPS Player for 2 Din Universal with Octa Core 2GB Ram Auto Radio Multimedia GPS NAVI 4G LTE
http://s.aliexpress.com/bmmm6ZbQ
(from AliExpress Android)
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breezeli said:
I learned the hard way that 1GB of ram just doesn't cut it. Also be careful with the unit's sizing, a lot of the chinese ones are larger and require modifications to fit right.
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Larger than what the item description says? Or just larger than the standard double dash format.
Larger than the usual din size
ikerg said:
Yes. 800x480 resolution (too low) and only 1gb ram. it seems to be an Intel sofia mtcd based unit. Avoid any android headunit with only 1gb ram like that.
I recommend a universal px5 mtcd based (2gb ram. 32gb ROM) like this
Dasaita 7" Android 6.0 Car GPS Player for 2 Din Universal with Octa Core 2GB Ram Auto Radio Multimedia GPS NAVI 4G LTE
http://s.aliexpress.com/bmmm6ZbQ
(from AliExpress Android)
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What do you think about this one:
https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B071JBF5MX/
2GB of ram
1024*600
A quad core ARM cpu
If you want a properly commmunity supported headunit:
https://es.aliexpress.com/store/pro...885.html?spm=a219c.12010608.0.0.5208143T6jna2
Is an OctaCore Processor [2GB RAM & 32GBROM].
Same FRontal as the one you posted and same dimensions....
This is claimed as 178mm*100mm as well as the one you posted.
ikerg said:
If you want a properly commmunity supported headunit:
https://es.aliexpress.com/store/pro...885.html?spm=a219c.12010608.0.0.5208143T6jna2
Is an OctaCore Processor [2GB RAM & 32GBROM].
Same FRontal as the one you posted and same dimensions....
This is claimed as 178mm*100mm as well as the one you posted.
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Do you think it's the best option? Why? Is that possible to upgrade Android in the future?
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Do you think it's the best option? Why? Is that possible to upgrade Android in the future?
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Afaik .... Android 7 is coming on some weeks (currently under testing)
But why that need for continuous upgrading...if Everything works as expected (even with new phones and devices)...
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ikerg said:
Afaik .... Android 7 is coming on some weeks (currently under testing)
But why that need for continuous upgrading...if Everything works as expected (even with new phones and devices)...
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I'm thinking about upgradability for the product last years. I didn't know that it could upgrade.
I saw a tread about the Ownice C500, it's have a lot of comments, do you know if it's better? https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...d-units/ownice-c500-released-t3478747/page145
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I'm thinking about upgradability for the product last years. I didn't know that it could upgrade.
I saw a tread about the Ownice C500, it's have a lot of comments, do you know if it's better? https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...d-units/ownice-c500-released-t3478747/page145
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All units have their pros and cons....
What's real is that never the manufacturer/seller will get your issues solved.....the community yes.
IMHO I will get that unit with more community support
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ikerg said:
All units have their pros and cons....
What's real is that never the manufacturer/seller will get your issues solved.....the community yes.
IMHO I will get that unit with more community support
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Sorry, I'm lost. Which you think that have more community support? The Dasaita V600 ( https://m.es.aliexpress.com/s/item/...spm=a219c.12010608.0.0.5208143T6jna2#autostay ) or the Ownice 500 that have a support forum here in xda ( https://m.pt.aliexpress.com/s/item/...pm=a2g03.12010612.0.0.29bd38ccCCV5A0#autostay ).
Where is the community support for the Dasaita V600? Here in xda site?
Looking to buy a new android head unit, after some research , most likely I would go for one of the 2 below:
Dasaita Android 9.0 Car Radio 2 Din GPS- 2018 PX6 Built-in DSP IPS Screen 4Gb+64Gb 6-Core RDS WIFI Bluetooth
Joying New 10.1" 1 Din TDA7851 Android 8.1 Car Radio Player Multimedia GPS Navigation Audio Stereo DSP
Dasaita is a 6 cores - 2 cores running at 1.8Ghz, 4 at 1.5 Ghz, the benchmarks shows this unit performing better on the single core test, Joying is winning the multi-core. Not sure how much of a difference is going to be in a real life normal usage. Both units should perform nice. Joying unit comes with the new 8 core Intel SC9853I with 1.8Ghz per core, from what I read on this forum, looks like this product doesn't feel as solid as the Dasaita unit, still things that are being fixed through monthly updates from the manufacturer. Joying has SPDIF Coaxial digital audio output, Dasaita has HDMI out for video as distinctive features for these two units. One big concern would be regarding the Joying unit that it might get hotter than the Dasaita unit plus the not so polished software. Not sure which one to go for, I would appreciate your take on this, if you own any of these 2 units. PX6 RK3399 or Intel Airmont SC9853i ?
Hi, as being switched from px5 to the joying intel sc9853i head unit, i would definetly choose the dasaita px6 for below reasons;
1- Cpu power does not means everything and intel cpu gets very very hot 80~100 C during summers, of course this could be avoided by adding extra fan along with a heat sink but small one hence there is not much space inside the cage
2-PX6 is most known platform and lots of flexibility cos its a well known product unlike the joying intel head unit
3- Software of the joying is terrible, there are a lot of bugs and those will be affecting your daily driving experience and they will make you crazy after a while believe me
4- There is a joying support only allegedly, most of the time they can not be able the solve the problem and that garbage intel head unit has a lots of way to go to become a normal daily usage head unit
5- SPDIF is not a game changer option by itself, i have done side by side rca-spdif outputs and there is a very tiny difference in terms of audio quality
6- There is no xposed framework support which is tremendous effect on head unit ( I am putting this as a standalone remark hence this could fix the some of the bugs)
I hope these are the answers which you looking for..
cheers..
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Hi, as being switched from px5 to the joying intel sc9853i head unit, i would definetly choose the dasaita px6 for below reasons;
1- Cpu power does not means everything and intel cpu gets very very hot 80~100 C during summers, of course this could be avoided by adding extra fan along with a heat sink but small one hence there is not much space inside the cage
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The PX6 can also become very hot. Same issue with all the faster CPUs.
Another point is rooting/Xposed/custom roms: I'm sure that Malyask has a PX6 custom ready in the near future. He already made one for the PX30 (don't buy a PX30).
And HAL9K most probably will have a PX6 custom rom pretty soon as well as he is "sponsored" by some Australian vendor of those units.
Due to the new flashing technique used on the 9853i (compared to the Joying Sofia and PX5), it is now also possible to make a custom rom for the 9853i. (but as long as my PX5 is working properly I will not switch to a 9853i and maybe never).
I have same dilemma as you. I tried to list out pros and cons for each in my opinion.
Above all else, I just want it to sound really good.
Dasaita px6 dsp pros:
Android 9 vs 8.1
Rockchip platform seems to have more longevity / development vs intel ?
Mali 864 vs Mali 820 (not a huge deal)
Faster single core performance
HDMI out (nice to have)
2 camera inputs
3 1.5 amp usb outputs
Cons:
Need to purchase android auto / carplay dongles separately (100+ for both)
No spdif out
Screen not easily / quickly removable
Unsure if canbus adapter for chevy cruze is compatible
Joying 8.1 intel DSP pros:
spdif out
android auto / apple carplay support built in via zlink
Easy to remove screen
Seem to have good technical / customer support?
Joying makes a direct 7 inch oem style replacement for my 2011 silverado vehicle, which makes getting harness / canbus adapter easy....
Faster multi core performance from CPU
Cons:
No video out
Android 8.1
usb / bluetooth limitations?
overheating issues potentially (live in phoenix lol)
I personally still using the 3 years old PX3 from Joying.. had twice the screen replaced for free due to cabling fault
and by looking at some reviews for the new units and build quality, I'd say they are quite good. They even produce variants screens like the 8" one that looked pretty solid.
The only downside I may think of is only the Android/software support for the Intel units. You are pretty much only relying on 1 single seller/manufacturer for the updates, unlike MTCx units.
WOW! Also I'm in big dilema ...which HU i'll have to choose: joying, xtons, witson, eonon, daisata, so many brands .... I was determinated on Joying with Intel SC9853i, because at this moment they offer HU with best hardware specs on the market, but after I read this thread and this one I have big reservations.... For me and my car best fit is a HU with buttons, not only touch. I prefer this ones because they looks closer to the original media player.
So, after 1 week of searches, digging, I have to face it with this conclusions:
-Joying have best hw specs on market, 8Cores Intel SC9853i, built in DSP, responsive support, but many bugs;
-Xtorns have a good build quality on their HU, maybe the best, sadly NO built in DSP, more expensive than competition, they have 6Cores PX6 on their lastest HU, not so much info on this forum about xtrons and their rom stabiltiy or support;
-Witson, I'm witson old HU owner, quad core, 1GB ram, and the experience was average, because the lack of ram memory, but after 2 years it still working. Now they offer 8Cores Px5 with a fair price, NO DSP, also not much info about support
--about other brands I have no knowledge, so no opinion!
After this conclusion, now I'm aimed on Xtrons, but in no hurry! I think if they had DSP on their unit, it was a 1st choise for me...so I have to find more info about user experience with this brand. Maybe someone share his experience/opinions about xtrons , and why not, about anyother brands to complete this thread!
THX!!
surfer63 said:
The PX6 can also become very hot. Same issue with all the faster CPUs.
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Very hot is a relative subject. The question is does it become as hot as Intel and throttle? I think in the past also Intel units had more heat related issues than other units. But more importantly, you never know when Intel will stop supporting the platform. It is new and risky.
That said, Joying Intel units have 2s boot. I haven't seen any PX6 unit which claims to support this. I wonder why? as PX5 units had this feature???
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Very hot is a relative subject. The question is does it become as hot as Intel and throttle? I think in the past also Intel units had more heat related issues than other units. But more importantly, you never know when Intel will stop supporting the platform. It is new and risky.
That said, Joying Intel units have 2s boot. I haven't seen any PX6 unit which claims to support this. I wonder why? as PX5 units had this feature???
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Of course heat is relative. But the PX5 definitely got hot and started throttling down. Cooling it was one of the first things I had to do. I was not able to find the specs back, but the px6 iss comparable to the PX5.
Lots of home media units contain PX5s and cetainly need a big heatsink. Based on same spec measurements I guess it is the sam for the PX6 (but I can't prove, as I can't find back these measurements )
the 2seconds startup has nothing to do with the CPU, but with the additional hardware: the MCU and MCU firmware. Only the FYT based MCU types can do this.
@surfer63 it is interesting information about 2-3s boot. But why FYT does not have PX6 units? To be honest, right now I am not able to find any PX5 units with fast boot even.
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@surfer63 it is interesting information about 2-3s boot. But why FYT does not have PX6 units? To be honest, right now I am not able to find any PX5 units with fast boot even.
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I don't know whether they have or have not PX6 models. Joying only has the 9853i models from Fyt. There are however more FYT resellers than Joying.
Why do you want to have a PX6? You want a good functioning unit with as few bugs as possible. Performance wise it doesn't make a big difference, if any.
The downside for Intel socs is the precious trial with Intel Sofia units.
Manufacturers bet for Intel two-three years ago and moved fast again to rockchip platforms leaving Intel Sofia's with no support
In my opinion dont let be tempted by hardware specs...here the key is the software.
These units have hardware enough for the extrnse use for the car environment....if software is not stable....then your headunit is useless manufacturers don't give you the correct support (the most often case) then you have to move to any developer support....
Today the MTCD/MTCE based mcu units are the best developing supported (thanks to malaysk and hal9k) both are moving to px6 now.
With respect to which brand....in my opinion...many manufacturers claim warranties but no answer when troubles appear. I can recommend Dasaita (you can read many posts in which dasaita has been made the correct support for customers)
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I followed Intel path for 2 important features that matters for me:
1. Fast boot. My unit is up less then 1 second and this aspect is very important.
2. DSP that gives a much better sound quality and settings compared with any PX solution I've tested.
And another big factor that made me decide was that HU i bought looks 100% like OEM unit including UI menu and is plug & play for all car features. Is not Joying brand but is based on same FYT solution. Now i am looking to find a way to root this device.
How bout the nee Belsee 9.0 units? How do they compare? They have a plug and play for the 9th gen accord. Cant find any info on Belsee
yurtesen said:
@surfer63 it is interesting information about 2-3s boot. But why FYT does not have PX6 units? To be honest, right now I am not able to find any PX5 units with fast boot even.
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So is that fast boot a hardware thing or software based?
ricanxd said:
So is that fast boot a hardware thing or software based?
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Both. It is done by the MCU hardware and MCU firmware from FYT. It is not in the android layer. That is only reacting on it.
Px units have a sleep mode and waking up from sleep is instantaneous.
During sleep just few mah are consumed.. so no worries on draining battery
Px u mints have also dsp...did you tried a px with dsp before to be compared with your fyt with dsp?
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ikerg said:
Px units have a sleep mode and waking up from sleep is instantaneous.
During sleep just few mah are consumed.. so no worries on draining battery
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The non-FYT PX units have a sleep mode of 5 minutes to something like 2 hours. Within this time frame they wake up instantanious. After max. 2 hours (or so), they switch off completely and cold-boot again needing 25-45 seconds to get to live again.
The FYT-units, both Intel and PX units, have deep-sleep and a 2-4 seconds wake up (the extra 2-3 seconds due to the MCU). Also after 4-5 days this wake-up is still 2-4 seconds!! And it does not drain your battery. The current is so low that a normal car battery can at least last for 30+ days before reaching 50% load, necessary to be still able to start the car.
That is a huge difference between the FYT units and the non-FYT units.
surfer63 said:
The non-FYT PX units have a sleep mode of 5 minutes to something like 2 hours. Within this time frame they wake up instantanious. After max. 2 hours (or so), they switch off completely and cold-boot again needing 25-45 seconds to get to live again.
The FYT-units, both Intel and PX units, have deep-sleep and a 2-4 seconds wake up (the extra 2-3 seconds due to the MCU). Also after 4-5 days this wake-up is still 2-4 seconds!! And it does not drain your battery. The current is so low that a normal car battery can at least last for 30+ days before reaching 50% load, necessary to be still able to start the car.
That is a huge difference between the FYT units and the non-FYT units.
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That is not true.
Px units (like mtcd) have a unlimited time sleep mode.
Just when detects low voltage of battery they shut down.
I had my px5 5 days on sleep mode without issues and waking up instantaneously
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ikerg said:
That is not true.
Px units (like mtcd) have a unlimited time sleep mode.
Just when detects low voltage of battery they shut down.
I had my px5 5 days on sleep mode without issues and waking up instantaneously
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That is really great to hear. Until now I was really under the impression that only the Joyings did that.
You mention the PX5 (mtcd). Was that also true for the PX3 (mtcb)? I have seen many videos/images where they showed in the Settings this "switch off after xx minutes" (or whatever it was exactly called).
For me that was the only reason to choose a Joying. Cadillac Mike did quite some reviews where he also discussed the mtcd units and the Joying. He specifically mentioned the quick-start of the Joying. Unfortunately he removed all non-Seicane videos from Youtube and now seems to be paid by Seicane (and changed to 5after12 as user name).
And as all mtcd units are compatible: does that mean that what you say is valid for all px5 units?
On my px5 still the Menu allows you to choose between some.time to shut down or auto sleep....if you choose auto sleep...it lasts for days prioritizing the battery of the car as now it has a voltage meter to achieve this
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