Please be advised, it is entirely possiable to receive an S8 or S8+ with dead pixels that are not visiable to the naked eye!
Please learn from my experiance with my S7 Edge; I purchased my GearVR a month after I had purchased my phone from another country... It wasn't until I tried my phone with my GearVR that I realised i had many dead pixels, in fact, the dead pixels are so bad, large and distracting when using my gearvr, that this is the sole reason why I am upgrading my phone to an S8.
Do yourselves all a favor, looks for dead pixels with your gearvr as soon as possiable.
Note; I was able to locate the dead pixels without a gearvr, using a lens from a google cardboard but the task is difficult, you have to hold the lens at the propper distance because you cant see them if it is not focused (obviously)
I think its ludicrous consumers only have 14 days to evaulate the condition of the phone and its display before they have acces to a gearvr to effectively evaluate the phones display for vr use...
Easiest way to check for dead pixels with gearvr, watch a bright film in the oculus cinema.
If you guys think dead pixels are bad on a monitor, wait until you have tried it in vr!
Thank you for the heads up. Will try asap. Does it happen more with a specific version? The S8 or S8+? Or both equally screwed?
Can just get a super high rez solid white photo (larger than the screen resolution) and look for them that way with a magnifying glass I imagine.
Will the S8+ fit or work in the previous Black Gear VR? I still have that one from the Note 7.
What you can do if you dont have new gearvr, it can happen with them all, its just the luck of the draw, this will end when one day sammy can produce displays that have high enough ppi that even in vr mode you will not be able to see dead pixels even if they are present.
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Can just get a super high rez solid white photo (larger than the screen resolution) and look for them that way with a magnifying glass I imagine.
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You can try that, have to get that focus just right. White background actually does not work! The ppi is so dense and the white is so bright, the whitelight bleeds into nearby dead pixels disguising them. Try to find a solid dark green or dark blue background (but not too dark) and yes, brightness should be max.
The thing is with the magnifying glass, finding a display with 0 dead pixels, that actually may be unrealistic... but finding a display without deadpixels that are within the gearvr field of view, that might be much easier (and more reasonable) task. Now mind you, in saying all that, remeber, were talking only about dead pixels that are only visable in gear vr mode.
If you get a phone with dead pixels that are visible to the naked eye, thats really bad!! Remember these phones have high ppi so what you see is not a single dead pixel but rather a cluster of dead pixels and a cluster of dead pixels can spread...
On my S7 Edge I have at least 20 dead pixels and as hard as I have tried, not one is visable to the naked eye!
The point im also trying to make; we really need our gearvr before the clock starts ticking for the "change your mind" policy samsung offer.
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Will the S8+ fit or work in the previous Black Gear VR? I still have that one from the Note 7.
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Don't believe it fits
Update; were all going to have to improvise and get a magnifying glass to check for dead pixels, just found out that the gear vr will not arrive for about a month after phones arrive....
I seem to remember an app that will locate and highlight dead pixels. I used it several years ago, maybe on my S3?
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Does fit, just tried it..
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Yup, just tried it myself. Software runs fine. It just made the fit though.
Are those 400 x 1440 extra pixels used at all in VR? My guess is no, because the optics and software were probably designed for 2560 x 1440.
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I seem to remember an app that will locate and highlight dead pixels. I used it several years ago, maybe on my S3?
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How about this one:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...spotdetect&rdid=com.htc.chris.blackspotdetect
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Will the S8+ fit or work in the previous Black Gear VR? I still have that one from the Note 7.
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It fits and it works well.
The s8+ wont fit the VR with a case huh? Im using a spigen tough armor and had to remove my case. Kinda sucks...
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A friend of mine used today a S4 and says it has some Ink spots.
Anyone else have Ink Spots?
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You mean like these on the SGS3? I'd be surprised if the SGS4 didn't have them. The N2 did. My N2 may or may not have them because I've never looked at its display on a solid grey background with brightness turned down to zero in a dimly lit room as I don't typically use my phone on a solid grey background at zero brightness in a dimly lit room. There are always multi-page threads in every Galaxy with a SAMOLED display's forum talking about the "ink marks." Yet other then in the situation I described its never affected anyone in everyday use. People that this is going to freak out shouldn't buy a SAMOLED display.
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But..... that's .00000000000000000000000009% of my typical usage. Why Samsung!?! Why!?!
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What Barry said. Those blotches are pretty much standard. If you go "looking" for things, you could see backlight lines on perfectly white backgrounds on LCD too if you're REALLY looking for it. The thing is none of these are even nearly noticeable on daily usage. And neither do they interfere with your usage tbh.
That said, if you're buying the phone to view an entirely black image in a pitch dark room with low brightness, then avoid any AMOLED devices
GS4 has greatly reduced DC Bias. Much better contrast than the GS3 and Galaxy Nexus.
I remember having them on my old SGS3. Really annoyed me so I feel your pain.
It's called "mura" and is present on every Samsung device I have owned (GS2, Note, GS3, Note 2)
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It's called "mura" and is present on every Samsung device I have owned (GS2, Note, GS3, Note 2)
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Yep, every single SAMOLED device, Samsung or not, has it AFAIK. Degrees might vary, but it's there.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1365032
There are some members saying that apparently applying heat reduces the effect, not even gonna try it though. It is not that noticeable on my Note 2 even on low brightness/pitch black screen on pitch black room. S II users were the ones who had real torrid time with blotches.
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Yep, every single SAMOLED device, Samsung or not, has it AFAIK. Degrees might vary, but it's there.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1365032
There are some members saying that apparently applying heat reduces the effect, not even gonna try it though. It is not that noticeable on my Note 2 even on low brightness/pitch black screen on pitch black room. S II users were the ones who had real torrid time with blotches.
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Yeah, definitely don't try this. Can't remember where now but someone had this complaint about their Note II and went and used a heat gun on it. Suffice to say that "tiny annoyance" turned into a "I've got to call and get a replacement and this is going to be an awkward conversation". No idea if he got it replaced under warranty or not.
I didn't know.
Now i'm well informed, and will buy my S4 on May. :laugh:
I've had that on my SGS2, the screen was gorgeous so no worry.
I don't think even there are some black spots, anybody can recognize them
The black on S4 is tooooooooooooo black, much much much deeper black than Note 2
I can still see the luminance on Note 2 in dark room, not S4
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A friend of mine used today a S4 and says it has some Ink spots.
Anyone else have Ink Spots?
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it's normal for OLED displays, even the ps vita has it.
EDIT: I added an image [1920x1080] in post #8 below for you to see how tiny two adjacent dead pixels would look on the Z1's super dense display
The Sony Xperia Z1 has a 1080p display. That's 1920x1080 pixels. That makes the display carry a total of 2,073,600 pixels.
I somehow managed to find the two dead pixels that were who-knows how long already there. two, out of more than 2 million.
The chances of looking at one random pixel and finding one of these two dead ones are literally less than one in a million.
I couldn't take a photograph of my dead pixels without using the reverse lens mounting technique to make a regular lens work as a macro lens.
Only then was I able to snap this particular photograph. Oh, and while we're on the topic of displays, just look at how the blacks are really black - you can't see any dimmed pixels, it just looks black!
Whispering: "I see dead pixels" by Herman Groenbroek, on Flickr
As another side note: the two dead pixels are smaller than the average piece of dust. For reference, there's an actual piece of dust just out of focus in the upper left part of the Album App in my photograph.
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I have a stuck one on my tablet Z
But its only noticeable on black, its a red dot
Of course a lone red dot on a 10 inch display doesn't bother me one bit
But if it was on my Z1 then I'd go crazy-male-*****-mode(only for a few seconds then i suck it up)
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being slight of an OCD could bother me
but being that tiny... i might even forget it myself sooner or later
Yeah would drive me nuts, lol. Just got my Z1 last week and was first thing I checked, luckily no dead pixels.
I remember not so long ago, dead pixels were more common. Last few phones I bought were OK. I seem to have worse luck with tablets. :/
The first moment I switched on my Z1 I have noticed 2-3 dead pixels. Next day I got a replacement
id be mad.
i had the tiniest bit of dirt under my ipad screen 2 weeks after i got it. couldnt see it without holding the ipad right up to my face. i still got Apple to replace it.
as one of the pics points out. once seen it cant be unseen.
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id be mad.
i had the tiniest bit of dirt under my ipad screen 2 weeks after i got it. couldnt see it without holding the ipad right up to my face. i still got Apple to replace it.
as one of the pics points out. once seen it cant be unseen.
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It cannot be unseen, but the fact is, the pixel density is so high that you really cannot see the two pixels from normal distance.
Try it yourself: grab an image of 1920x1080 pixels and make two pixels black. Then view it on your Xperia Z1.
It is really difficult to see. It's much smaller than the average piece of dust, which is already tiny.
Here's a test image if you want to know what two dead pixels would look like.
I made a white image of 1920x1080 with two dead pixels linked (much like my two dead pixels on the Z1) somewhere in the image. Try to find it on your PC first, then transfer it to your Z1.
Now, try holding your phone at normal reading distance. See how tiny the two pixels are? They're really tiny.
The funny thing is, this is the 'optimal' condition for the pixels to be visible, since there is never more contrast between the dead pixels and the image than this black and white image. You can guess yourself how invisible these pixels would be if there's a regular image showing on the display.
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[QRCODE]http://dl.xda-developers.com/attach...01/532341f5/2/6/3/0/7/6/4/Dead_pixel_test.jpg[/QRCODE]
(I don't know what causes that weird URL artifact. At least the QR code is there...)
Was at local Verizon store yesterday and saw quite a difference in LCD color between my own Droid Mini and the store display units.
My screen was brighter at 100% and warm in color vs. the 3 display units which were more coolish blue and slightly dimmer at 100%.
What color temp is your droid mini?
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Its an amoled and not an LCD. They can vary from phone to phone.
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Its an amoled and not an LCD. They can vary from phone to phone.
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Ultra and Maxx are AMOLED, Mini has an LCD
i bet on the software version.
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i bet on the software version.
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I was thinking the same thing. Just wish i had another mini to compare. Another thing I noticed is that my screen has contrast a tad bit over sharpened compared to the demo units.
It doesnt bother me but was enough to notice when i held them side by side.
Could this be something Motorola adjusted in the kernel or firmware? Is there an LCD panel contrast app we can get to adjust the setting manually?
It could be that they're using a different part for the lcd display now compared with when you bought yours.
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Ultra and Maxx are AMOLED, Mini has an LCD
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Hmm turns out I Dont know these phones very well.
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interesting thread for me because i replaced my LCD and i was wondering if there were any differences in the models you can buy on ebay.
my experience: the one i got is very nice, very happy with it. great brightness, and YES warm. TOO warm. the reds are just crazy. i mean the droid thingy at start up just hurts your eyes at full brightness.
its definitely not calibrated well, i mean when i take selfies my skin looks very orange and red tinted, and i'm fairly pale. looks totally different and less red on my laptop (which has upwards of 95% adobe color gamut)
also not to derail this but is this the best forum to post about the mini? i can't find the forum for it. is it basically a smaller version of the droid ultra or something?
I think this is the best place to post about the mini.
I'm glad you have experience with replacing the LCD and seeing a different result.
I'm going through the same thing with my LG G2. I notice there's quite a difference in LCDs with these phones.
My G2 also has a difference in its LCD picture vs other G2s even on the same carrier.
With the G2 there's an app which tells what version LCD you have.
Wonder if there's a way to check what version LCD we have without opening the phone and literally going through a few of them to verify.
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interesting thread for me because i replaced my LCD and i was wondering if there were any differences in the models you can buy on ebay.
my experience: the one i got is very nice, very happy with it. great brightness, and YES warm. TOO warm. the reds are just crazy. i mean the droid thingy at start up just hurts your eyes at full brightness.
its definitely not calibrated well, i mean when i take selfies my skin looks very orange and red tinted, and i'm fairly pale. looks totally different and less red on my laptop (which has upwards of 95% adobe color gamut)
also not to derail this but is this the best forum to post about the mini? i can't find the forum for it. is it basically a smaller version of the droid ultra or something?
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oh, to clarify, I didn't see a difference. I just know that it's very very red. if there are 2 models and one of them is more red, then this has to be the one.
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I think this is the best place to post about the mini.
I'm glad you have experience with replacing the LCD and seeing a different result.
I'm going through the same thing with my LG G2. I notice there's quite a difference in LCDs with these phones.
My G2 also has a difference in its LCD picture vs other G2s even on the same carrier.
With the G2 there's an app which tells what version LCD you have.
Wonder if there's a way to check what version LCD we have without opening the phone and literally going through a few of them to verify.
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oh, to clarify, I didn't see a difference. I just know that it's very very red. if there are 2 models and one of them is more red, then this has to be the one.
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If u can, try to stop by your local Verizon store. Compare your LCD with a display unit.
I saw the perfect screen today at another local store. This one was on a black mini.
Not too warm, not too cold but just right. Also noticed the contrast wasnt too rich and it had a nice color balance.
If my screen ever breaks, i would love to swap out this LCD for that one.
How difficult is the droid screen swap compared to other larger smart phone screen swaps?
So after a few days of use, I started noticing that I was unable to see the "People Edge" tab on the right side and while reading pages that were not exactly black in color, it looked like the 'edge' part of the phone looked as if I was looking at a TN panel sideways... So I compared this to my wife's phone and sure enough, it's a problem. On max brightness, I definitely don't get the same colors or anything of that nature, and it's significantly "bluer". Here are a few images for your viewing pleasure. I contacted the local VZW store and they said they'd exchange it once it comes back in stock (within my 14 day period).
** Note ** I did mess with all display settings and the color issue is not correctable.
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You'll see the greyish look to it on the edges.. it's driving me freaking crazy. I paid $800 for a ****ing phone so I'm being picky.
If any of you guys are having this issue and within your 14 day grace period, return it and get another.
You're wasting your time if you return it, because the new one will have the same thing. It's a limitation of the design. The only difference is that on some phones the edge "shadow" appears more green, more blue, or more pink.
My S6 Edge had it and so does my S7 Edge. You'll stop noticing it after a few weeks.
My wife's does not have this issue at all, so I don't think that's true... if the one they exchange it for has the same issue, I guess I'll eat the $35 restocking fee and never own an 'Edge' phone again :|
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My wife's does not have this issue at all, so I don't think that's true... if the one they exchange it for has the same issue, I guess I'll eat the $35 restocking fee and never own an 'Edge' phone again :|
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I have never seen an "Edge" phone without this to some degree, but chances are you'll end up with it on the exchange device. Just go look at the demos in the stores
After a few minutes of Googling I again found the official Samsung article explaining this. Took me weeks to find last year when this issue was driving me nuts..
http://www.samsung.com/za/support/skp/faq/1076253
Your device is not faulty. The colors on the curved screen may look different depending on your viewing position.
The slight green tint in colour at the edges of the Galaxy S6 Edge display that you may observe on occasion is due to a phenomenon called WAD (White Angular Dependency) which is due to the inclined curved surface of the S6 Edge screen.
For an AMOLED display, the WAD phenomenon results in the colour white sometimes appearing to have a Green tint, or on occasion a Blue or Yellow tint when viewing the AMOLED at an angle. But when viewing directly from the front or side the colour will be as expected.
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Same applies to S7 Edge.
Interesting, thank you very much. Yeah, guess it'll just be a return.
I'm very peculiar with my eyes. I can't wear glasses with my astigmatism because of the odd shapes I see so I doubt it'll just go away.
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Interesting, thank you very much. Yeah, guess it'll just be a return.
I'm very peculiar with my eyes. I can't wear glasses with my astigmatism because of the odd shapes I see so I doubt it'll just go away.
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Glad to help. I was going through exactly what you were last year. Hopefully someone will be searching for this issue and find this thread down the road.
I have astigmatism, too, if it helps. I wear toric contact lenses. Eventually I just somehow learned to ignore the edges. I had forgotten about it until you brought it up.
I found the S7 Edge page as well. Same response...
http://www.samsung.com/au/support/skp/faq/1102512
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Glad to help. I was going through exactly what you were last year. Hopefully someone will be searching for this issue and find this thread down the road.
I have astigmatism, too, if it helps. I wear toric contact lenses. Eventually I just somehow learned to ignore the edges. I had forgotten about it until you brought it up.
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Well, in that case, I'm glad I was able to help you remember while I try to forget Yeah, only way I can see properly is with contacts as well. I might try to get over this until next Wednesday and if it doesn't happen, it'll be a return.
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Well, in that case, I'm glad I was able to help you remember while I try to forget Yeah, only way I can see properly is with contacts as well. I might try to get over this until next Wednesday and if it doesn't happen, it'll be a return.
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I would encourage you to do the exchange and see if the new one is slightly better (the tints are all a bit different). Maybe it'll be less noticeable? But then again, the new one might be worse to your eyes. It's a lottery
I found 24 dead pixels on my Xperia XZP front camera photo.
(White and red, some are very dim but the others are bright enough.)
I've used many smartphones from different manufacturers and this is unbelievable.
Sony, do you even check the camera sensors before you put it in and seal the product?
What kind of quality control is this? For the 'Premium' product?
http://imgur.com/RYvFw0J
I just checked mine and I don't have any.
I agree that quality control "should" be better from all OEM's but sometimes a defective piece of hardware will sneak by. Use your warranty. Look on any forum for any phone and you will find complaints about some piece of hardware being bad from day one. I think all manufactured items have issues. It's just that there are not as many forums for everything else as there is for cell phones.
Then why didn't just simply replace it instead of whining here?
It doesn't matter how expensive something is, there WILL be lemons and nothing can be 100% perfection.
Tons of high-end monitors costing 7-900 euros can come with dead-pixels. It's just the nature of how displays are made.
Also, if you really believe they are able to check literally every phone you're delusional.
No problems on mine.
I'm going through the replacement process which is very exhausting, I don't know why you think I'm just whining here keeping this cursed product unit.
I know manufacturing can't be perfect and if it was 1 or 2 dead pixels, I would quietly do what I need to do as you like it.
But when it is 10~20 dead pixels on a single product I think it is insane. And it is not only me in my area.
Then I think it is something enough to talk about.
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Then why didn't just simply replace it instead of whining here?
It doesn't matter how expensive something is, there WILL be lemons and nothing can be 100% perfection.
Tons of high-end monitors costing 7-900 euros can come with dead-pixels. It's just the nature of how displays are made.
Also, if you really believe they are able to check literally every phone you're delusional.
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I'm going through the replacement process which is very exhausting, I don't know why you think I'm just whining here keeping this cursed product unit.
I know manufacturing can't be perfect and if it was 1 or 2 dead pixels, I would quietly do what I need to do as you like it.
But when it is 10~20 dead pixels on a single product I think it is insane. And it is not only me in my area.
Then I think it is something enough to talk about.
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You just wanted to shout and be angry because you got a lemon.
Just deal with it like literally everyone else.
Can´t find any dead Pixel on my new XZP. But found one on my Samsung LCD...
Unforunately i have been victim to this as well. Im on my 2nd xperia xz premium which had a stuck pixel on both and the front sensor having numerous dead pixels im going for a third and may just stick with whatevers best and warranty through sony. best buy has been cooperative.
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I found 24 dead pixels on my Xperia XZP front camera photo.
(White and red, some are very dim but the others are bright enough.)
I've used many smartphones from different manufacturers and this is unbelievable.
Sony, do you even check the camera sensors before you put it in and seal the product?
What kind of quality control is this? For the 'Premium' product?
http://imgur.com/RYvFw0J
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i am now on my 3rd exchanged Xperia XZ Premium and can confirm while my screen and rear camera are perfect I still have dead pixels in the front camera sensor. If this is indeed the same front camera sensor as on my X Performance.. On that same X Performance I dont have any dead pixels that i can notice. (Red and white pixels scattered around on a dark picture) however i cant make them out in a real world photo.
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I hate you thanks for making me test mine and realize, multiple on the front also, back may have 1 but might of been dust.
front --> all over
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DO these dead pixels affect the pictures being taken? If not then why are we taking pictures of black paper? Stupid.
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DO these dead pixels affect the pictures being taken? If not then why are we taking pictures of black paper? Stupid.
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yes they can effect pictures taken. when under the right ISO level they can be really visable. most of the time though, no you wont notice them. since I just have them on the front camera which I never use I'm not too worried about it but for $800+ you expect fewer then this. if I had them on the back sensor like the front, I definitely would return, but from what I just read returning them for the front seems useless as they all seem to have it bad.
I put in a order for a chrome version, if that has less I'm returning the black one.
EDIT: Returned my deepsea black for Chrome and same results, bunch on the front none on the back. the chrome seems to have less which is a good thing I guess.
How do you test for dead pixels on camera sensors?
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+1 how do guys test for dead pixels?