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I hate to be a moaner, and don't get me wrong what you devs do is awesome, but I really can't seem to grasp why everyone puts so much focus towards making sure their s4 has the latest version of android on their phone, even though, it's not really anywhere near stable enough for convenient every day use yet...
You'd think people would be more on the lookout for roms that are fully stable and fully harness their phone's potential instead of constantly flashing builds that could ruin their afternoon suddenly because something broke unexpectedly that they're used to having work perfectly?
I get that there needs to be development and testing, and it's all great work that's being done, but seriously, is there only this little number of stable S4 builds?
I don't care what anybody says, I haven't tried an LP rom yet that's been 100% stable, something always breaks and leaves me rolling back to KK just to have more peace of mind
rynoism said:
I hate to be a moaner, and don't get me wrong what you devs do is awesome, but I really can't seem to grasp why everyone puts so much focus towards making sure their s4 has the latest version of android on their phone, even though, it's not really anywhere near stable enough for convenient every day use yet...
You'd think people would be more on the lookout for roms that are fully stable and fully harness their phone's potential instead of constantly flashing builds that could ruin their afternoon suddenly because something broke unexpectedly that they're used to having work perfectly?
I get that there needs to be development and testing, and it's all great work that's being done, but seriously, is there only this little number of stable S4 builds?
I don't care what anybody says, I haven't tried an LP rom yet that's been 100% stable, something always breaks and leaves me rolling back to KK just to have more peace of mind
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This things differ from user to user and phone to phone.
A rom might work 100% stable for me and might be very unstable for you. Happens all the time. I see users, running the same rom as me, who have issues that I don't have. Or vice-versa.
And I don't think "Stable" means necessarily bug free. I think it means more in the direction that it won't crash and won't give you random reboots, and that most of the stuff works (only minor problems).
People upgrade due to the performance improvements, battery life improvement potential and, possibly, because of new features and additions the rom and/or kernel has. And some people simply like to have the latest software.
If you have problems, you just go back to the previous version using the backup you (hopefully) made before flashing and wait for a fix.
So far I have run these roms: 5.0.1 GPE, CM12 Optimzed builds, SaberMod CM12 Builds, SaberMod CM12.1 builds and now Resurrection Remix, and haven't had any serious issues or issues that couldn't be fixed.
The only serious problem I ever had was with an early build of SaberMod CM12.1 where the sms app I was using (hello sms) kept crashing when receiving a message. This caused the notification to not show, meaning I could only see that I received a text message when I opened the app.
The most stable and bug free (for me at least) was Danvdh's 5.0.1 GPE rom.
rynoism said:
I hate to be a moaner, and don't get me wrong what you devs do is awesome, but I really can't seem to grasp why everyone puts so much focus towards making sure their s4 has the latest version of android on their phone, even though, it's not really anywhere near stable enough for convenient every day use yet...
You'd think people would be more on the lookout for roms that are fully stable and fully harness their phone's potential instead of constantly flashing builds that could ruin their afternoon suddenly because something broke unexpectedly that they're used to having work perfectly?
I get that there needs to be development and testing, and it's all great work that's being done, but seriously, is there only this little number of stable S4 builds?
I don't care what anybody says, I haven't tried an LP rom yet that's been 100% stable, something always breaks and leaves me rolling back to KK just to have more peace of mind
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It's because you assume everyone wants a bugfree rom. Some people just want cutting edge technology. Also if something is a bug for you, it doesn't mean that someone else is annoyed by it.
And I have to disagree with you. There are plenty of roms that are stable running Lollipop. Look for example at the CM 12.1. It's ready for daily use and rock solid. Sure there are some minor bugs, but nothing that annoys me.
Bottom line: It comes down to personal preference.
I have searched for literally months now, switching back and forth from stock to CM and this problem is absolutely maddening.
The bluetooth is garbage on CM. Constant stuttering. Anytime I unlock the phone, go to bluetooth settings, or even just leave the phone alone it skips horribly.
Is there any fix or resolution for this? I want the speed and features of CM, but this is ridiculous.
No, it is a CM problem and CM needs to be the one to fix it. Judging from the history of the problem, I doubt that will happen anytime soon.
For me it only stutters if I unlock the phone or if a notification comes in and when it does stutter it only stutters for 3 seconds. I'm on latest resserection remix.
That's the reason I stopped using CM13 on my Nexus 6P and probably never going back to it. At first I thought it was just a bug that cropped up in early builds and it would be quickly addressed, but when the second snapshot didn't fix it I just moved on.
I still can't believe that a serious bug that prevents the use of one of the basic functions of the phone is still ignored by the CM team. Unacceptable, if you ask me. I know CM is free, but it shows the lack of support CM has become notorious for.
That's the underlying problem with CM. There is never a "stable" build, it's a forever work in progress and by the time it reaches a point where is "good enough" as a daily driver, the next version of Android is available, so there is really no point to use it on Nexus devices anymore.
Sorry for the rant, but I was a supporter of CM in the early days and seeing it going down this road is very disappointing.
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That's the reason I stopped using CM13 on my Nexus 6P and probably never going back to it. At first I thought it was just a bug that cropped up in early builds and it would be quickly addressed, but when the second snapshot didn't fix it I just moved on.
I still can't believe that a serious bug that prevents the use of one of the basic functions of the phone is still ignored by the CM team. Unacceptable, if you ask me. I know CM is free, but it shows the lack of support CM has become notorious for.
That's the underlying problem with CM. There is never a "stable" build, it's a forever work in progress and by the time it reaches a point where is "good enough" as a daily driver, the next version of Android is available, so there is really no point to use it on Nexus devices anymore.
Sorry for the rant, but I was a supporter of CM in the early days and seeing it going down this road is very disappointing.
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As was I. I've always loved CM. But when they're releasing "stable" builds that still have this major flaw....on a very popular device, makes me wonder what the hell they're doing.
What a shame.
CM is GARBAGE. As is almost anything based of it other then maybe RR. This is why everyone is re baseing off AOSP.
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To add onto what @Shaftamle said, ultimately the reason there are even CM based ROMs around is because CM has done the work to bring up support for almost every Android device imaginable (kernels, device trees, vendor blobs, etc). So it is easy for someone to fork CM and add their own mods and make it their own (like AICP, RR, and Temasek) while keeping support for all of those devices and making a name for themselves. CM is technically AOSP mixed with CAF for all of those other devices but it is not needed on Nexus devices and ends up screwing some stuff up. What would be ideal is for ROMs to have a pure AOSP variant for the Nexus devices and an AOSP + CAF (CM) variant for all other devices. Dirty Unicorns is a prime example of this. It is more effort for the developers but it makes for a better user experience. Just my two cents.
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I have searched for literally months now, switching back and forth from stock to CM and this problem is absolutely maddening.
The bluetooth is garbage on CM. Constant stuttering. Anytime I unlock the phone, go to bluetooth settings, or even just leave the phone alone it skips horribly.
Is there any fix or resolution for this? I want the speed and features of CM, but this is ridiculous.
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Hasn't anyone got this solution yet im using unofficial cm13 and doesn't turn on Bluetooth
Hey there Axon 7 owners!
I am currently very interested how different CustomRoms for the Axon 7 compare to each other, but I don`t have the time to flash all of them at the moment...
So I would love to hear YOUR experiences you have made with different CustomRoms on your device! I`m mostly interested in:
- Stability (possible daily driver on my main phone)
- Support (community, defs, QAs)
- Batterylife
- Sound
- Performance
- Updates? (OTA?, regularly? , etc)
- "Standard features (phone, GPS, bluetooth ...) working or not?
- Advanced features (Substratum (Customization), etc.)
- What do you love?
- What do you hate?
- Would you recommend it?
- Anything else you`d like to share I`ll happily read any information!!
As I would love to have a Rom which is able to run Substratum well, I`m mostly interested in Roms like RR, NucleaRom, AOSPextended .... feel free to add more to the list and also feel invited to write of whichever Rom you are using, whether or not it is supporting Substratum.
I will start with my personal experience:
LineageOS (https://forum.xda-developers.com/axon-7/development/unofficial-lineageos-14-1-zte-axon-7-t3545679):
Overall I was pretty happy with this ROM
Was stable enough for me (a random reboot every 2 to 3 days)
I think it`s definitly the most supported ROM (huge community and very active devs...), you usually get help pretty fast, whenever you need it! (thanks guys)
Batterylife wasn`t extraordinary, but it got me through the day, which is kinda enough... but I`d love more.
Sound was pretty good, ever since the speaker-fix, I personally liked the AudioFX-App. I`m not sure if LOS takes full advantage of the DAC though.
Performance was good, only thing bothering me: sometimes apps disappeared off my recents
Updates worked really well, ever after starting to use LineageDownloader (I do recommend this app when using LOS)! Very frequent updates (weekly!) that`s how I like it
Had no issues with calls and every other "normal" task I`d throw at my phone
Substratum is sadly not supported, which made me move on other than that LineageOS doesn`t have as many special features I`m aware of, it`s clean, stable but not the most customizable
I loved the barebone google approach with very small addons.
I hated nothing really, but overall I kinda want more possibilities to customize my phone
I would personally recommend it to everyone who wants a working alternative to Stock Axon7 Rom and who doesn`t need all that many crazy options, but an overall very different and in my opinion preferable look and feel (when compared to stock MiFavor) I would also recommend it to everyone starting to experiment with customRoms.
NucleaROM (https://forum.xda-developers.com/ax...uclearom-radioactive-kernel-t3586179/page58):
So I moved to this puppy because I really wanted to try out an all Black SubstratumTheme, and see what else a ROM might have to offer.... (and cuz it was recommended to me by a very nice guy (I don`t mind mentioning the name, but I don`t dare to )
Stability is great, as long as my device`s screen is turned on. But whenever my screen turns off, I get an immediate reboot, which is very annoying and makes it kinda not suited to be used as a daily driver.
However the Support is pretty good for a (compared to LOS for example) very small Dev-Team and community! I posted my issue with NucleaROM and the Dev responded very quickly telling me that it will be adressed with the next update -> props for that! However especially the community support is of course inferior to LOS (since far less people know and Use NucleaROM).
So far I can`t really do real life battery tests, since I`m currently using my phone with screen on for hours to then turn it off completely and reboot it when I need it again (to avoid the bug mentioned above). But I feel like Batterylife with an all black substratum theme on AMOLED is quite nice!
Sound is awesome (for me) probably the same as on LOS (but it feels a bit better to me :`) )
Performance is good so far as well.... I flashed the rom and didn`t notice the reboot-bug for over 3 hours, since everything was running so well I didn`t even turn off my screen and no random reboots happened in that time.... but when I wanted to sleep the reboot madness (I turned the screen off) started ^^ but when the screen is on, I`m very pleased with the performance!
Updates don`t look as good on this ROM. There is no OTA support and updates don`t seem to come that frequently (which is very understandable if you take the small dev team in account, which are doing all the work mainly in their freetime!!) but if you want weekly updates and OTAs then this won`t be the ROM for you probably.
Standard features seem to mostly work, apart from phone calls :/ (since when I hold the phone to my ear -> the screen turns off -> reboot ^^) and when I`m trying to use the speakers of the phone I`m having issues hearing the other person... so sometimes it works, but only after turning it on and off for a seemingly random amount of time...
Special features: this is definitely a huge stepup from LOS (this ROM includes pretty much everything I missed so far on LOS) Substratum is ther and working very well for me, I love the additional settings and options this ROM gives and even though it`s not important I absolutely dig the Boot-animation for some reason!
I love the feel, options and smoothness of this ROM!
I hate the reboot-bug (will update as soon as it is fixed!) and the calling issues.
For now I can`t recommend it as a daily driver, but if you are willing to experiment and either don`t depend that much on your phone or have a second one, than you could or should give this ROM a try and find out if it`s also as appealing to you as it is for me! You should definitly follow the development of this ROM though, since I feel like it has a whole lot of potential!! Fingers crossed I can use it as my daily soon!
I`m very interested in different or the same experiences whith this ROM!
Let the sharing and caring beginn!
|Furō| said:
Hey there Axon 7 owners!
I am currently very interested how different CustomRoms for the Axon 7 compare to each other, but I don`t have the time to flash all of them at the moment...
So I would love to hear YOUR experiences you have made with different CustomRoms on your device! I`m mostly interested in:
- Stability (possible daily driver on my main phone)
- Support (community, defs, QAs)
- Batterylife
- Sound
- Performance
- Updates? (OTA?, regularly? , etc)
- "Standard features (phone, GPS, bluetooth ...) working or not?
- Advanced features (Substratum (Customization), etc.)
- What do you love?
- What do you hate?
- Would you recommend it?
- Anything else you`d like to share I`ll happily read any information!!
As I would love to have a Rom which is able to run Substratum well, I`m mostly interested in Roms like RR, NucleaRom, AOSPextended .... feel free to add more to the list and also feel invited to write of whichever Rom you are using, whether or not it is supporting Substratum.
I will start with my personal experience:
LineageOS (https://forum.xda-developers.com/axon-7/development/unofficial-lineageos-14-1-zte-axon-7-t3545679):
Overall I was pretty happy with this ROM
Was stable enough for me (a random reboot every 2 to 3 days)
I think it`s definitly the most supported ROM (huge community and very active devs...), you usually get help pretty fast, whenever you need it! (thanks guys)
Batterylife wasn`t extraordinary, but it got me through the day, which is kinda enough... but I`d love more.
Sound was pretty good, ever since the speaker-fix, I personally liked the AudioFX-App. I`m not sure if LOS takes full advantage of the DAC though.
Performance was good, only thing bothering me: sometimes apps disappeared off my recents
Updates worked really well, ever after starting to use LineageDownloader (I do recommend this app when using LOS)! Very frequent updates (weekly!) that`s how I like it
Had no issues with calls and every other "normal" task I`d throw at my phone
Substratum is sadly not supported, which made me move on other than that LineageOS doesn`t have as many special features I`m aware of, it`s clean, stable but not the most customizable
I loved the barebone google approach with very small addons.
I hated nothing really, but overall I kinda want more possibilities to customize my phone
I would personally recommend it to everyone who wants a working alternative to Stock Axon7 Rom and who doesn`t need all that many crazy options, but an overall very different and in my opinion preferable look and feel (when compared to stock MiFavor) I would also recommend it to everyone starting to experiment with customRoms.
NucleaROM (https://forum.xda-developers.com/ax...uclearom-radioactive-kernel-t3586179/page58):
So I moved to this puppy because I really wanted to try out an all Black SubstratumTheme, and see what else a ROM might have to offer.... (and cuz it was recommended to me by a very nice guy (I don`t mind mentioning the name, but I don`t dare to )
Stability is great, as long as my device`s screen is turned on. But whenever my screen turns off, I get an immediate reboot, which is very annoying and makes it kinda not suited to be used as a daily driver.
However the Support is pretty good for a (compared to LOS for example) very small Dev-Team and community! I posted my issue with NucleaROM and the Dev responded very quickly telling me that it will be adressed with the next update -> props for that! However especially the community support is of course inferior to LOS (since far less people know and Use NucleaROM).
So far I can`t really do real life battery tests, since I`m currently using my phone with screen on for hours to then turn it off completely and reboot it when I need it again (to avoid the bug mentioned above). But I feel like Batterylife with an all black substratum theme on AMOLED is quite nice!
Sound is awesome (for me) probably the same as on LOS (but it feels a bit better to me :`) )
Performance is good so far as well.... I flashed the rom and didn`t notice the reboot-bug for over 3 hours, since everything was running so well I didn`t even turn off my screen and no random reboots happened in that time.... but when I wanted to sleep the reboot madness (I turned the screen off) started ^^ but when the screen is on, I`m very pleased with the performance!
Updates don`t look as good on this ROM. There is no OTA support and updates don`t seem to come that frequently (which is very understandable if you take the small dev team in account, which are doing all the work mainly in their freetime!!) but if you want weekly updates and OTAs then this won`t be the ROM for you probably.
Standard features seem to mostly work, apart from phone calls :/ (since when I hold the phone to my ear -> the screen turns off -> reboot ^^) and when I`m trying to use the speakers of the phone I`m having issues hearing the other person... so sometimes it works, but only after turning it on and off for a seemingly random amount of time...
Special features: this is definitely a huge stepup from LOS (this ROM includes pretty much everything I missed so far on LOS) Substratum is ther and working very well for me, I love the additional settings and options this ROM gives and even though it`s not important I absolutely dig the Boot-animation for some reason!
I love the feel, options and smoothness of this ROM!
I hate the reboot-bug (will update as soon as it is fixed!) and the calling issues.
For now I can`t recommend it as a daily driver, but if you are willing to experiment and either don`t depend that much on your phone or have a second one, than you could or should give this ROM a try and find out if it`s also as appealing to you as it is for me! You should definitly follow the development of this ROM though, since I feel like it has a whole lot of potential!! Fingers crossed I can use it as my daily soon!
I`m very interested in different or the same experiences whith this ROM!
Let the sharing and caring beginn!
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I'll keep it as short as possible, best first worst last. (comparably, by my opinion only don't get offended please)
- Stability (possible daily driver on my main phone): LOS, RR, Aosp Ex, Nuclear
- Support (community, defs, QAs): LOS, RR, Aosp Ex, Nuclear
- Batterylife: LOS tie with RR, Nuclear, Dunno about Aosp Ex, didn't use it enough
- Sound: Around the same all of them.
- Performance: Nuclear, Aosp Ex, LOS-RR tie
- Updates? (OTA?, regularly? , etc): LOS, RR, Aosp Ex, Nuclear
- "Standard features (phone, GPS, bluetooth ...) working or not?: In all of them almost anything works but the infamous speakerphone bug
- Advanced features (Substratum (Customization), etc.): RR, Aosp Ex, Nuclear, LOS
- What do you love? LOS and RR constant updates, Nuclear snappiness, Aosp Ex all round experience.
- What do you hate? LOS simpleness, Nuclear's lack of updates
- Would you recommend it? I'd recommend RR since it's very balanced and steadily updated
- Anything else you`d like to share I`ll happily read any information!! We need more kernels, I'm working on building one myself so I don't beg others but I lack the skill and have very litle to no help on doing it.
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I'll keep it as short as possible, best first worst last. (comparably, by my opinion only don't get offended please)
- Stability (possible daily driver on my main phone): LOS, RR, Aosp Ex, Nuclear
- Support (community, defs, QAs): LOS, RR, Aosp Ex, Nuclear
- Batterylife: LOS tie with RR, Nuclear, Dunno about Aosp Ex, didn't use it enough
- Sound: Around the same all of them.
- Performance: Nuclear, Aosp Ex, LOS-RR tie
- Updates? (OTA?, regularly? , etc): LOS, RR, Aosp Ex, Nuclear
- "Standard features (phone, GPS, bluetooth ...) working or not?: In all of them almost anything works but the infamous speakerphone bug
- Advanced features (Substratum (Customization), etc.): RR, Aosp Ex, Nuclear, LOS
- What do you love? LOS and RR constant updates, Nuclear snappiness, Aosp Ex all round experience.
- What do you hate? LOS simpleness, Nuclear's lack of updates
- Would you recommend it? I'd recommend RR since it's very balanced and steadily updated
- Anything else you`d like to share I`ll happily read any information!! We need more kernels, I'm working on building one myself so I don't beg others but I lack the skill and have very litle to no help on doing it.
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Are you recommending official RR or the unofficial one being around on xda for a while? And you don`t recommend AOSP Extended?
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Are you recommending official RR or the unofficial one being around on xda for a while? And you don`t recommend AOSP Extended?
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I personally use the unofficial one since it's getting updated daily, and I can update whenever I feel like it.
You should ask someone else about AOSP extended I don't have much experience with it.
I just recommended RR because I had been using it on many devices I owned flawlessly and it's one of the most balanced and complete (if not the most balanced and complete) ROM out there.
I only use aosp extended and LOS, both are decent, aosp I think have better battery life, and better performance overall, no bugs I can find, the only problem is for me the camera app, in all customs, quality sucks, are uncomfortable, and flashable stock dont work as in stock rom, so, I use stock rom...
but in general, If you are not a camera dependant user, aosp extended is an excellent rom, better than stock, with better battery life.
I noticed stock drains a lot of battery with low signal, the others dont do it
stock have 2 bugs that any other dont... (phone wakes up with proximity covered / whatsapp reports online with app in background)
Im not a fan of cellphone photos, for that I use a real reflex camera, but I use a lot for record work to do, tons of videos driving in the car to budget works in the field and city, so I need a good camera to do this... I pass one time for the site and then review any time in the video... customs roms get worse video
Hello, I know the choice is personal and regarding my own needs in terms of performance, battery etc. , but i'd like to know which kernel you are using, why etc.
I am not very good at seeing performance difference between 2 kernels and your feedback is often great to hear
Which one for you is the most user friendly with features like color calibration, vibration strength (things with GUI you know i don't care about scheduler or whatever)
I think imma settle down on No Limits OOS Rom, which offers a large choice of kernels...
Thank you in advance :')
You will never ever get a proper answer for this question Every kernel has its own characteristics and features, so try yourself and determine which one fits best for you
Going to have to go with the fact that this thread has been made countless times and you never get a definite answer. If you want a truthful opinion, stick with stock. It was designed for your device specifically. Especially in the case of OnePlus devices, they devise the kernel to fit with Oxygen OS. I stick with stock kernel and stock rom because the roms out there are bogus. Theres usually something the dev has done to their rom to disrupt continuity and stabilization especially with google apps and services. Always trying to "debloat" the phone is not a good idea. Letting the phone run its course is a much better way to go because it will adjust to what you actually use. Changing your kernel doesn't do very much for you. In my experience it is always worse. I havent changed the way i use a smartphone since the day i bought one and every kernel ive ever been on has never POSITIVELY affected: 1. Performance 2. Stability 3. Battery life 4. Speed of service 5. internet speed 6. Screen on time 7. Longevity
The claims that they do something for those things is typically a red flag for me. Every time i used franco kernel for example, my internet would cut out a lot and on some occasions YouTube would work for a few videos then not at all until i restarted my phone. On stock kernel, my phone never has these malfunctions but no matter which release on the 3t and the 5 now with his kernel my google stuff would constantly break down or my internet would die until i restarted or i would be permanently stuck on H+ until reboot. Just something annoying like that. And no i did not install this wrong or anything. Its not like you really can with how TWRP works. If the phone turns on then whatever goes wrong is on that rom and that kernel and theyre very unstable beasts.
TL;DR
Always stick with stock. It is built for YOUR device specifically. Don't debloat, disable. Stock kernel is always superior and in the case of OnePlus you have additional doze options in its built in settings. Don't run doze apps either btw. Let your system manage itself you'll find it does a damn fine job.
This question takes a little research to answer, some reading specifically. By seeing the features and commits present in each kernel offered, you'll be able to see where the focus of the dev is. All devs have different things in mind, some will lean towards extending battery longevity, whereas others will prefer a smooth UI and gaming performance, because after all, the processor in this phone can deliver good stuff for all these different leanings.
Anyway, go read a little, see through the devs lens and take your best pick.
My final and subjective opinion? Lightning kernel, blu spark, flash, elementalX, Franco...in no respective order.
I also have a lot of respect for the guys in RenderZenith. Building EAS from nothing is no short of a benchmark, and that kernel is really good as well.
Or as the gentleman above, stay in stock, it was built from scratch by the manufacturer for this device only and no other.
Do you have Stock or Custom Rom and why?
The vendor firmware landscape has been increasingly adequate for quite some time, providing multiple viable options for a satisfactory mobile experience - buying a device with the intention to separate from its out of the box experience as much as possible no longer makes a compelling case against the unique, and sometimes identity-forming, features provided as stock.
During earlier years, Android, and mobile firmware in general, was controlled by regulations and risks while expanding an entirely new platform. There is no alternative otherwise, and anything less conservative would border reckless abandon.
This paved the way for many enthusiasts under no control to have immersed themselves into the technology like the career engineers and developers were doing, but with the nearly full freedom to test ambitious ideas and solutions unlike their professional peers, who were often limited to free time and with no expectation of something even as simple as maintaining a message board OP exploring those ideas.
This allowed many of those ideas to manifest and be thoroughly tested by many and with an unmatched diversity of real-world usages and trending philosophies. This is when many projects helped form several of the early features unique to the Android platform, absorbing a substantial portion of the risks without fear of retribution, allowing the vendors to devote more time to polish and fine-tuning and less time devoted to brainstorming ideas and risk scenarios.
This afforded the hobbyists a custom platform having quite the head start and that could distance itself from the vendor experience in features, accessibility, and form.
Custom rom's had a different identity then than custom rom's do now, and that is with good reason as well.
Ignoring the few debatable exceptions, custom rom's are currently little more than variations or slight modifications of vendor firmware or AOSP. I exclude CM/LOS simply because CM was among the hobbyists described earlier.
With the feature gap as narrow as it currently is with Mr. Rom Dev and Mr. Lead Software Engineer, the professionals now enjoy an edge with often unlimited resources available providing an experience that is hard to match or exceed with limited time and resources, so users today understandably gravitate towards the familiar vendor experience with a manageable number of features or tweaks.
Of course, even in a market of no stock, consumer demand still determines the custom software landscape.
The benefit today is that ideas and solutions require an extraordinary amount of ingenuity and progressive thinking to stand out and enjoy active development for more than six months. The breakthroughs are far fewer but they are also more impactful in pushing the platform forward.
Having said all that, my purpose for exclusive use of vendor firmware is for hobbyist development reasons. I see no benefit a custom rom would provide for development. I mean, if it works, great. But, if it works only because of the rom, you have essentially prepared something to share among a fraction of one device's users.
If something fails to implement into the vendor firmware, I move on to something else. If it works great for some custom rom's, "Cool, man!", if not, a user has the choice to use the only firmware a developer could logically assume is in use.
So, put gh down for Stock! :good:
Yes, but with custom rom you can have better battery stats. You can also have fewer google apps.. And many more.
I use xXx NoLimits: a stock-based custom ROM. It meets all of my needs. Therefore, I have no reasons to try anything else.
lazostat said:
Yes, but with custom rom you can have better battery stats. You can also have fewer google apps.. And many more.
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I'm getting 10-12 hours of screen on time and idle time is about .3-.6% drain let hour on stock on OOS. There isn't anything custom out there giving anything better.
Eric214 said:
I'm getting 10-12 hours of screen on time and idle time is about .3-.6% drain let hour on stock on OOS. There isn't anything custom out there giving anything better.
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This.
Getting 10-11h SoT every cycle with stock ROM. Got 11ish hours the other day with almost 3 full days without charging.
Haven't seen anything better or much better then THIS.
lazostat said:
Yes, but with custom rom you can have better battery stats. You can also have fewer google apps.. And many more.
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Stock firmware does not necessarily need to remain "untouched".
Perhaps, a more accurate answer would be that my preference for a foundation on which to tailor to my specific needs is the stock OxygenOS firmware. It is certainly rare for users with root access to refrain from making a single change to the installed rom, be it custom or stock. :good:
With this phone it is the first time I've had to come to accept that stock is king, no custom rom compares to it, I've tried them all (yes this is subjective). Stock + a custom kernel + viper4arise and off I go.
I dont know if you count it as stock or custom since it is both but i use HydrogenOS and my own modification of its stock kernel. Im used to 9 hours SoT+ with .2% standby drain per hour. No performance sacrificed. Ill vote in the poll once u verify which u factor hydrogen os as.
tWoBrO said:
This.
Getting 10-11h SoT every cycle with stock ROM. Got 11ish hours the other day with almost 3 full days without charging.
Haven't seen anything better or much better then THIS.
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ok can you provide more insight? how you get it done......i average about 4-5.5 hours sot over two days........idle drain at1.33 and active at 12.55.
How I get it done? Everyone uses the phone differently, have different apps installed, etc.
Last few days I have used Wi-Fi 99% of the time, always on, Facebook, IG, Tapatalk (a lot), Gmail, Movies HD (a lot), Terrarium-tv (a lot), YouTube, a couple calls and sms here and there, but not much, Messenger, Chrome and app-like-Spotify with bluetooth on the car. I turn on location and bluetooth only when I need it.
Auto brightness is on, always on the low side, dark theme on, turned off vibration on touch (because of the double vibration bug in Oreo), turned vibration of on keyboard touch too (have sound on instead, I like the type writer sound when I type).
Let me see, I do have privacy fix module and sysconfig patcher installed on Magisk. This last one might gave you a boost in battery, but to be honest I don't even know if it actually works.
I would say that having a dark theme, screen brightness on the low side, and not having EVERYTHING turned on all the time are what makes the difference for me. I'm sure if I have bluetooth and location on, for example, all the time, when not needed it, it will cut a my time quite a bit.
Oh, I have notice that talking on the phone takes a lot battery. I don't talk that much on the phone, just those quick 30s-5m calls to ask a quick question or whatever.
I had great battery life out of the box with Nougat, but Oreo really made a huge difference. I'm talking about 2-3h of SoT on Oreo compared to Nougat.
Stock atw and ftw!
Finn the moment the phone I get breathes it's getting a custom ROM.
Always.
For a device like OnePlus 5, a custom ROM isn't really needed since the stock ROM is pretty much debloated and already offers a bunch of features.
Custom ROMs still offer many more features than any stock ROM though. They also get faster updates and for far longer. By the time OnePlus stopped providing updates to this device, custom ROMs will still be updated most probably.
I haven't flashed any custom ROM yet because the stock ROM has almost everything I need. The main reason I flashed ROMs was performance. The OnePlus 5 isn't lacking in this area.
Pure fusion, the Nougat version. It's the smoothest of all ROMs that I tried, has lots of settings and supports stock camera.
Codename Phoenix. Oreo 8.1, Very few bugs and for me a lot better than Stock. From the same dev making Pure Fusion.
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With this phone it is the first time I've had to come to accept that stock is king, no custom rom compares to it, I've tried them all (yes this is subjective). Stock + a custom kernel + viper4arise and off I go.
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How a custom kernel can help? I installed bluspark but i dont see additional settings.. How to make us of it?
CT-CRC said:
With this phone it is the first time I've had to come to accept that stock is king, no custom rom compares to it, I've tried them all (yes this is subjective). Stock + a custom kernel + viper4arise and off I go.
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Totally subjective and IMHO completely not true, you are hindered without root and without the ability to alter your phone in a positive way, not only for longevity of battery life but also in regards to performance, stability and stamina.
Stock does not compare to custom in any way for me.
Optimized custom rom could be great when the device is old, and no more supported.
Also, back in the days, let say with Gingerbread 2.3.x, not much nice/modded feature were present. Now, from what I can see, stock roms got almost everything.
OP5 is so fast rigt now, even if stock is heavier, we won't see much difference with a lighter rom.
But looking forward for custom roms in 2-3 years.