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★★★This topic is for them who are having problems with stock charger and cable. If you don't have any problems, ignore this ★★★
Well, since I purchased my Note 2, I kept facing this slow charging problem. Now what is slow charging some of you will ask? Well, it's simple. The device is taking more than normal time for charging. Now how do you know the default/should be rate for charging? Simple again. The AC adapter clearly says output rate as 2000 mA or 2.0 A. So with that calculation Note 2's monstrous 3100 mAh should be fully charged with 2 hours. But as we've seen steady 2.0A is not the output case in some/many scenario, so add another 30 mins to it. So whatever it is, from 0-100%, the device shouldn't take more than 2 hours 30 minutes.
And for me, it was taking around 5 hours! Sometimes 4 hours 30 minutes, and if it's very fast then 4 hours. Well I was never gonna wait 4 damn hours before going to my office and irritate myself, and I don't have the habit of charging overnight, unless I absolutely need it.
So I kept calling my retailer, asked for replacement, and they did, well, you won't believe, they replaced three times actually, so I had three different Note 2, with three different charger. Well, each of them acted absolutely fine at first 3-4 charge, then the problem was back again and again. I in fact turned off the device and put it into trash once.
Then I thought let's try some different USB cables, I tried my friend's Galaxy Ace cable. Charging current kept fluctuating between 1000-1200 mA. Which was better than those faulty stock cables, which provided steady 900 mA. Sometimes it even was detecting the AC current as USB, which would provide a mere 460 mA and would take God knows how long! Then I found my piece. I went to my retailer, frustrated and angry, asked them to give me the thickest and shortest possible cable, and they provide me one from a Samsung phone's box, but I can't recall which device was that! And then I sat there for half an hour, kept plugging and unplugging, and the current rate was rock steady at 1800 mA. I took it, paid just 10$ and came back.
Since then I have charged my phone almost 10 times and the current rate never went below 1800 mA / 1.8 A.
This is the cable I am using, do notice that it has 5 pin set up against stock cable's 4 pi, if that matters in any way, and it's about 10% thicker than the stock cable and also about 9" shorter.
And how will you monitor the charging current, three ways are there,
1- Battery Monitor (yet I don't know how to exactly use it)
2- If you are rooted (which is a must anyway), then just go to, /sys/class/power_supply/battery/current_avg
3- Use the app from the link below. It basically reads the current value just exactly as above but it saves the time to go into that file every time. A big thanks to Deadvirus.
Galaxy Charging Current application's apk can be found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=36124435)?
Play Store link: (Paid)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...S5hYm1hbnRpcy5nYWxheHljaGFyZ2luZ2N1cnJlbnQiXQ..
Thanks to this post and it's poster for informing us about the current output reading path,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=33585646&postcount=31
The included cable charger that mine came with charges fast like that, I let it charge slow with standard USB port overnight, but the included charger nd included cable should achieve this. The cable is important.
kebabs said:
The included cable charger that mine came with charges fast like that, I let it charge slow with standard USB port overnight, but the included charger nd included cable should achieve this. The cable is important.
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Same here, it's done within about 2 hours every time, from ~1%. Something definitely must have gone wrong with yours :s
R: [SOLUTION] Slow Charging!
You are amazingly right. Every charger/cable combo I test seems to deliver different currents, according to the app you posted, ranging from 600 to 1300 (mA?).
Didn't know that could happen. Now I am looking for the Holy Grail of chargers, too.
After some tests: original chargers of Note 2 and Tab provide 1800 mA; no-brand Chinese labeled 1500 gives 1400; one Nokia labeled 1200 gives 1300, another, labeled 1200, gives 1200. Puro brand, labeled 2100, gives 1100. Another Chinese, no-brand, labeled 2000, double usb, gives 1100 per socket. Other no-brand samples give 600 or 300 mA.
Enormous variability.
Think I'll use the 1800 mA Samsung for when I'm out, and the good Nokia's for overnight charging when home.
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And I ve been wondering why the heck original cable is too short. I thought samsung were just tight gits. Cable is mot even long enough to reach feom the wall to bed side table
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no problem whatsoever with mine , charging from 1 to 100 % in about 2 - 2:10 hours
Thank you for nice explanation! Now it's much clearer.
For me...
Stock charger + stock short cable (0,9 m) = ~2+ hours
Stock charger + some other cable (1,8 m) = ~4+ hours
,don't know about thicknes. Mb stock cable is thicker, or at least harder to bend.
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Thanks for the APK, I found a huge variance in charging rates based on a combination of chargers and cables. Goes to show that the cable makes a huge difference. Here's my findings:
** Stock Charger (2A):
w/Stock Cable (4-pin) - 1698
w/Cable from another phone (5-pin) - 1698
w/Cable from battery pack (5-pin)- 1698
w/generic eBay cable (4-pin)- 100! - It didn't charge at all, even with screen off.
** iPhone Charger (1A):
w/Stock Cable (4-pin) - 1300
w/Cable from another phone (5-pin) - 1100
w/Cable from battery pack (5-pin) - 1300
w/generic eBay cable (4-pin) - 100!
** Car Charger (1A):
w/another generic eBay cable - 490
(Was running Redpill kernel, not sure if that has fast charging built in which might affect results).
The app is really helpful. Been wondering what the charging current was on different chargers.
I measured it using the app based on current AVG and not current NOW. This is because I used a 800ma blackberry charger and yet current now shows 1698 which is impossible.
The app will tell you which cables and chargers are good. I was shocked that out of my 8 cables only 3 gave an average of more than 1000, the rest give around 800 or less.
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Hi!
So, the AC adaptater mentionne 2A but it doesn't mean that your devuce consume 2A... It means that the AC adaptater can provide 2A under 5V.
If a load need to consume 500mA the adaptater can provide enough power. But if it needs more than 2A, the ouput current will be at the 2A max but your voltage will decrease (it means that you have a device problem!).
The only thing to do is to refer to the user manual of device.
One thing more, the USB protocole fix the maximun current to 1A!
An other thing, if you want to have a better battery life it recommended to charge your battery slowly. Just have the habit to charge it during the night.
See ya.
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I also got an lg very thick cable..which is also 5 pin and let me tell it charges REEEEAAAALLLLYYYY FAST..when seen in application posted in op(thanx) it shows 1800..but the problem is if I detach charging before battery full notification then the battery is consumed at very high rate..I.e battery life decreased or maybe shows fake battery percentage. .and if I go for full charge it takes half hour more after 100% to show battery full in notification. .
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lucier said:
Hi!
So, the AC adaptater mentionne 2A but it doesn't mean that your devuce consume 2A... It means that the AC adaptater can provide 2A under 5V.
If a load need to consume 500mA the adaptater can provide enough power. But if it needs more than 2A, the ouput current will be at the 2A max but your voltage will decrease (it means that you have a device problem!).
The only thing to do is to refer to the user manual of device.
One thing more, the USB protocole fix the maximun current to 1A!
An other thing, if you want to have a better battery life it recommended to charge your battery slowly. Just have the habit to charge it during the night.
See ya.
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Yes, the stock charger doesn't provide full 2A current.
And is it true that if the device is charged slowly the battery backup will be better? I mean that would be good then. I'll try that, thanks for informing.
sumeshd said:
I also got an lg very thick cable..which is also 5 pin and let me tell it charges REEEEAAAALLLLYYYY FAST..when seen in application posted in op(thanx) it shows 1800..but the problem is if I detach charging before battery full notification then the battery is consumed at very high rate..I.e battery life decreased or maybe shows fake battery percentage. .and if I go for full charge it takes half hour more after 100% to show battery full in notification. .
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On my old cable, the damaged stock one, it'd take half an hour to reach 100% from 99. With this one it takes 5-6 mins.
This whole charging process is complicated that much I can say.
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Unfortunately I got a grey import so my stock charger was for a different country.
I'm having to use a 1.0A charger instead.
It still only takes a few hours to charge though. I sleep for 4-5 hours and it's always fully charged when I wake up.
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Hmm is this a accurate way of measuring amp?
I was using same cord and the apk provided above, using the default 2amp charger says 1697 and using a bellkin in charger rated at 1amp,says the same thing?
Hmm
I am a bit confused, which of the following is my actual charging rate? The charge is really slow, around 15% per hour or so.
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As I stated in the screenshot, you shouldn't look at current_now, it'll always be same, 1698, you should look at current_avg.
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Damn. That means it's time for me to get a new charger, isn't it?
Just switched to a very old 0.7 A output charger my father uses on his primitive samsung device. It gives better results than my stock charger/USB cable, provided by samsung. 800 mA on a 700 mA charger. How is that even possible?
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SacGuru said:
I am a bit confused, which of the following is my actual charging rate? The charge is really slow, around 15% per hour or so.
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are using stock cable ?
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are using stock cable ?
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Yeah I am. The stock charger says 2A, 5V. When used with the stock cable it charges at a mere 200-400 mA. I used the wall charger of an old samsung phone (doesn't have a usb cable, just a wall charger) and current rises to 800mA. Where can I buy a good USB cable at in the UK?
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I have buy a new stock charger because I was thinking my stock one was dead (slow charging / usb mode)...
But in fact it's not my stock charger who is defected but it's just the cable!!!
Just try with another cable and it's OK (AC mode).
Thanks for the apk!
Any one actually time how fast their note 4 charges for them? Mine didnt seem to charge any faster than my GS4 the last few days so I finally set a timer, and it charged 50% in just over an hour and a half. Way off what samsung claimed, considering this was supposed to take only 30 minutes...and yes I have fast charging enabled and am using the fast charging adapter.
In 20 minutes charged about 33%. I am happy, cause fast charging working very well. From 25% to 95 % in 60 minutes.
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I've done measurements this morning after getting my Note 4 last night.
I agree. I've found little difference between fast charging, and normal at the levels i was measuring.
Perhaps it works faster between 0 and 50%, which seems to be the stats Samsung always quoted. If there is any kind of intelligence circutry going on, it must be varying the amount of ampage being drawn from the charger.
I've found the amps drawn to be VERY low as compared with the S5. Obviously the voltage is the main thing changing with Samsung's "fast Charging" plug.
For example changing from 90% to 100% I found:
USB 2 lead supplied with phone + normal plug = 23mins 31 seconds
USB 2 lead supplied with phone + fast charging plug supplied by Samsung = 23 mins dead.
31 seconds difference is hardly stallar!
Yes you can say it depends on what apps were consuming resource in the background, but it was just standard apps synching etc.
Screen was off the entire time, and nothing processor intensive was actively running.
But I did notice something interesting:
If watts = amps x volts it might explain why the phone isn't charging that fast at the 90% level.
Note 4:
With anker 40w 5-port charge (capable of outpitting 2.4 amps per port, the typical draw was between 300 and 450 ma
With Samsung fast charger it was drawing between 250 and 350ma.
Obviously I'm not counting voltage, which will definitely play a part in the overall wattage. But there has to be some kind of intelligence here controlling it as it's not steady.
S5:
Anker 5-port: 1200ma steady
Fast charger (not compatable of course): 1200ma Steady
Which is also intereting seeing as the max output is 1800ma, so the phone still isnt drawing the max it could do.
Might try draining the Note 4 down even more, and seeing if it does up the draw when the battery is nearing empty
I was very impressed with the charging.
The ultimate test for me was when I was playing a fairly graphics hungry game whilst being connected to the fast charger. It continued to charge the phone up to 100% from 30% in around 40 minutes whilst playing.
I believe the best way to ensure the results are comparable is to make sure the phone is completely powered down and the battery has had a handful of recharge cycles first.
Anyhow, I am impressed with the charging and the battery consumption of my Note 4 to date
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Impressive. Considering you were using a lot of screen and processing power. Sounds like a wait and see is in order, see how it pans out.
Battery life doesn't seem bad for what I have used, not but much better than I had on the S5. In time I expect things to improve though.
With me fast charging work very well
30 mins then 50% when playing some small game and surfing web
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I went from 21% to 75% in about 40 minutes the other day (was monitoring), but my device was on and I had used it a few times in between that time... fast charging is really meant to be used when your device is OFF - that's where you'll get the most benefit.
Mine works fine. Remember it works while screen is off or phone powered down. Also from 0-50 only. Beyond that and it will use 5v to charge instead of the 9v. That's why Fast Charging will only work with the charger it came with.
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Any one actually time how fast their note 4 charges for them? Mine didnt seem to charge any faster than my GS4 the last few days so I finally set a timer, and it charged 50% in just over an hour and a half. Way off what samsung claimed, considering this was supposed to take only 30 minutes...and yes I have fast charging enabled and am using the fast charging adapter.
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Are you still having the same issue?
Im charging my phone for the first time and i dont find the fast charging works well with me. Its been an hour already and my battery is still at 30%. I also turn off my phone to make sure i get the 30mins 50% but no luck. Should fast charging kicks in after several recharge cycle?
Remember, it's called adaptive fast charging so it's charging rate varies depending on variables such as temperature, etc.
I went from 20% to 96% in about 60-90 minutes today. Not too bad.
I don't plan on using fast charging much to test, but it's my first few days with the phone and I've been stress testing it to see how battery life is.
90mins for me from 1% to 100%.
no problem at all. been charging from 0 to 100% at exactly 60mins
Impressed with mine used to have a spare battery but not anymore as the beast can really fast.
Must use included charger and CABLE
I found that for fast charging to work you must use the cable and charger that shipped with the Note 4.
hey and im sorry to dig this thread out again, but wondering if another tried fast charging with third party battery, I bought a ravpower note 4 battery off amazon and charged it with my note 4 adapter and I went from 10% to 50% in about 50 minutes, im sure its not fast enough.
note 4 adaptive fast charging
The phone has a chip and the charger has a chip it is this that allows the phone to charge at 9v only between 0 to 50. It's easy for people to be unimpressed because Samsung typically charge quickly. I tried a LG g3 for a few days and it charged ridiculously slow compared to a Samsung if it is taking an hr and a half to charge your phone halfway I would consider using your warranty for a new device or battery
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The phone has a chip and the charger has a chip it is this that allows the phone to charge at 9v only between 0 to 50. It's easy for people to be unimpressed because Samsung typically charge quickly. I tried a LG g3 for a few days and it charged ridiculously slow compared to a Samsung if it is taking an hr and a half to charge your phone halfway I would consider using your warranty for a new device or battery
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is this correct?
It will only do fast charging below 50%?
What if it starts at 45% - will it stop when it gets to 50%?
I'm finding that Adaptive Fast Charging (AFC) only works (phone reads "fast charging") when the charge cycle is started while the phone's battery is almost dead. Now, "almost dead" means different things to different people, but my GS6 won't use AFC unless it's really low - I know it won't kick on/in circa 35%, but I don't know the precise level.
Here's some an interesting comment made on the awesome article at the link below:
"You should note though, that CABLES DO MATTER. Every el-cheapo ebay cable isn't supported for quick charging. They usually allow about 700mA to pass through. You need high quality cables that probably came with your smartphone in order for quick charging to work. I have done several tests with my Note 4 with several cables and an adapter that meters the output Amperage."
http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/0...-need-to-know-about-charging-your-smartphone/
Works great for me take about an hour and 40 mins from 4-fully charged.
I lost my charger so i cant help here
Been looking all over eBay & Amazon, but nothing...*sigh*
i have had the V20 for about 12 hours in which time it charged from about 50% to about 75% ... my Note would accomplish the same in about 15 minutes ... and yet the V20 is supposed to run the same type of quick charger on the same size battery ... something about this doesn't rub me the right way
yes i did use the phone and unplug it a few times etc but it still should have been much faster ...
it was connected using its own cable and charger BUT through a USB extension cord ... so then i thought maybe that's the problem - maybe i need a longer type C cable and to get rid of extension cord ... but i need to have an answer to that BEFORE buying new cables ...
so i plugged it in directly ( no extension ) and tried to see if it charges in correct mode ...
and here is where i face plant into a wall of excruciating stupidity ... every single app out there measures charging current, whereas what i really want to know is whether the charger is running at 5V standard voltage or using the quick charge 9V voltage ... amazingly there doesn't seem to be an app to show this - or is there ?
my galaxy note would simply say " adaptive quick charger connected " when plugged into quick charger but the V20 doesn't say anything like that.
accubattery app says my screen on charging rate is 760 ma and screen off is 1760 ma ... and the charger of course states 1.8 A so that's consistent ... but is that at 5V or at 9V ? the charger supports both - which one is it ?
this is killing me - so much stupidity. it shouldn't be that hard to figure out whether the phone is charging correctly or not.
anybody have an idea how i could find out whether the charger is actually stepping up to 9V without physically cutting the USB cable and using my multimeter ?
EDIT: i realized i have a kill-a-watt ( actually two of them ) and i can measure power draw from 120V outlet ... so i did that. the draw fluctuated from about 6 to 13 watt. now if we assume 90% efficiency on the charger then full power would have to draw 18 watt from outlet - clearly it never got close. on the other hand at 5V it should have maxed out at around 10 watt power draw, and it went quite a bit over that so it would seem to be using the 9V mode ...
at this point however i'm up to 90% battery and can't expect it to charge at full rate any more as some battery charging algorithms taper off above 80% or so ...
i tried with and without extension cord and noticed no difference ... also if i remember correctly my Note also charged fine over this same extension cord ... but i'm not sure
EDIT: played with turning off 2nd screen as well as shutting down device completely - this phone is crazy. power draw is all the place - at one point it went to ZERO and stayed there until i unplugged it and plugged it back in, then it would fluctuate between zero and 14 watts ...
you know back in the day i had LG Nitro HD and it had worst battery performance of any phone ever ... and this V20 seems to be living up to that legacy. WTF.
anyway, it seems the charger and the cable and extension are not to blame - it seems there is some kind of software weirdness that is resulting in very sporadic power draw ...
slow charging is one of the reasons i switched from iPhone back to Android - i expected this V20 to perform similarly ( blazing fast charging ) to the Note 4 i had before the iPhone 6S Plus ... but it's charging performance so far is almost identical to the iPhone - slow as a snail.
i already spent $80 on case and screen protector and i'm supposed to spend a bunch more on extra cables and memory card as well as sell my iPhone and at the same time i'm thinking - maybe i should just return it ? going to have to observe it for a while longer before making any decisions either way ... terrible.
The V20 is QC 3.0
The Note 5 is QC 2.0
The V20 will negotiate with a 3.0 charger to tell the charger what power it requires at that moment so power will fluctuate during charging.
this will show you which devices are 3.0 and 2.0
https://www.qualcomm.com/documents/quick-charge-device-list
Quick charging explained
http://www.androidauthority.com/quick-charge-3-0-explained-643053/
nest75068 said:
The V20 is QC 3.0
The Note 5 is QC 2.0
The V20 will negotiate with a 3.0 charger to tell the charger what power it requires at that moment so power will fluctuate during charging.
this will show you which devices are 3.0 and 2.0
https://www.qualcomm.com/documents/quick-charge-device-list
Quick charging explained
http://www.androidauthority.com/quick-charge-3-0-explained-643053/
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yeah it fluctuates a lot. i gave up on apps and just using Kill-a-watt now which is a physical power meter you insert into 120V outlet. it shows power draw from charger, not output, but we can assume about 90% efficiency from input to output of charger.
i let the V20 drain to 40% overnight and restarted the test today. with the extension cord it went up to 16 watt draw from outlet and stayed there - charge quickly went up to 55% then i tried without the extension cord and now its only at 11 watts. this is with both screens off. so far my conclusion is that using an extension cord makes no difference but the level of charge on the phone does impact the charging speed. you need to drain the phone to measure full charging speed.
i will continue with my testing but i am somewhat relieved. 16 watts is close to spec, in fact the spec is 16 watt but on the OUTPUT side of charger, not input, so i'm withing about 10% of spec.
i'm also a lot less nervous buying charging cables now that i verified 16 watt charging over many years old USB 2.0 extension cord ...
EDIT: wow it went from 55% to 68% while i was typing this message ! this is very different from what i saw yesterday ... it was running at 11 watts while i was typing. looks like the phone charges fast as long as it is: 1) drained and 2) left alone. if the phone is almost full and you keep playing with it the level of charge barely changes.
EDIT: at 89% charge it's now down to just 4 watts power draw from outlet ... 25% of what it was pulling at 40% charge. so far it looks like it tapers charging speed off gradually with charge level - starts early and tapers it off to almost nothing as it nears full charge ... and all the while it fluctuates with processor and screen use and probably other factors such as temperature. maybe the reason it went to 16 watts when i plugged it in the morning is that the phone was cold from not being used all night and perhaps it now warmed up so the power got tapered.
maybe i'll stop testing it - it seems to be working correctly, just not the way i originally expected it to.
overall i'm disappointed with this phone but the only phone i would trade it for is Pixel XL 128 GB Very Black which is unavailable ... so i guess i will keep it.
the phone i'm most impressed with right now is ZTE Axon 7 i got for my mother - it is shockingly good - if it wasn't for FM radio, IR Blaster, Removable Battery, Laser Autofocus, Dual Camera, Dual Screen and Nougat i would even say the ZTE Axon 7 is BETTER than V20. the main problem with ZTE is it's just not expensive enough for my ego - otherwise it is great. the screen is is super sharp, vivid and punchy, the front facing speakers are loud and crisp and then there's the 2 year warranty. i'm jealous ...
but i will stick with V20 to protect my dignity. because let's face it - if i'm out on a date i want to have the latest, most technologically advanced and most expensive phone - not the cheapest phone, even if it is just as good or better. really happy with my decision to get Axon 7 for my mom though. she loves it as well.
The way QC works is that it will charge fastest from low power until around 70-80% and then slow down A LOT to help preserve the battery. That is why you saw a high wattage and then when you got into the 80's you saw a very low wattage.
QC is mainly for you to get 40-50% of battery power in a relative short amount of time when your battery is low.
I bought a little device that measures the voltage and current of the charge. And I'm using my own Quick Charge 3.0 wall charger.
When the screen is off or powered down, it charges at 9V/1.8A max. Resulting in about 16W of power. Which is pretty much what the supplied LG charger delivers.
When the screen is on, it charges at 5V/0.5A
My QC3.0 charger is capable of up to 9V/2A and 12V/1.5A, 18W of power. The V20 doesn't seem to draw that much power. And now I'm starting to doubt the V20 is truly a QC3.0 device.
BozQ said:
I bought a little device that measures the voltage and current of the charge. And I'm using my own Quick Charge 3.0 wall charger.
When the screen is off or powered down, it charges at 9V/1.8A max. Resulting in about 16W of power. Which is pretty much what the supplied LG charger delivers.
When the screen is on, it charges at 5V/0.5A
My QC3.0 charger is capable of up to 9V/2A and 12V/1.5A, 18W of power. The V20 doesn't seem to draw that much power. And now I'm starting to doubt the V20 is truly a QC3.0 device.
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I'll grab voltage/amp reader that I have at home and test my 3 QC 3.0 chargers I have (I'll drain phone to around 20% and then test them and see how it goes) - I'm going to test with the phone off so it pulls the max and see what it ends up with
I have this at work
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018RR30TK
I have this at home
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FCZACFA
And this in the car
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01CCBGR1U
g1981c said:
yeah it fluctuates a lot. i gave up on apps and just using Kill-a-watt now which is a physical power meter you insert into 120V outlet. it shows power draw from charger, not output, but we can assume about 90% efficiency from input to output of charger.
i let the V20 drain to 40% overnight and restarted the test today. with the extension cord it went up to 16 watt draw from outlet and stayed there - charge quickly went up to 55% then i tried without the extension cord and now its only at 11 watts. this is with both screens off. so far my conclusion is that using an extension cord makes no difference but the level of charge on the phone does impact the charging speed. you need to drain the phone to measure full charging speed.
i will continue with my testing but i am somewhat relieved. 16 watts is close to spec, in fact the spec is 16 watt but on the OUTPUT side of charger, not input, so i'm withing about 10% of spec.
i'm also a lot less nervous buying charging cables now that i verified 16 watt charging over many years old USB 2.0 extension cord ...
EDIT: wow it went from 55% to 68% while i was typing this message ! this is very different from what i saw yesterday ... it was running at 11 watts while i was typing. looks like the phone charges fast as long as it is: 1) drained and 2) left alone. if the phone is almost full and you keep playing with it the level of charge barely changes.
EDIT: at 89% charge it's now down to just 4 watts power draw from outlet ... 25% of what it was pulling at 40% charge. so far it looks like it tapers charging speed off gradually with charge level - starts early and tapers it off to almost nothing as it nears full charge ... and all the while it fluctuates with processor and screen use and probably other factors such as temperature. maybe the reason it went to 16 watts when i plugged it in the morning is that the phone was cold from not being used all night and perhaps it now warmed up so the power got tapered.
maybe i'll stop testing it - it seems to be working correctly, just not the way i originally expected it to.
overall i'm disappointed with this phone but the only phone i would trade it for is Pixel XL 128 GB Very Black which is unavailable ... so i guess i will keep it.
the phone i'm most impressed with right now is ZTE Axon 7 i got for my mother - it is shockingly good - if it wasn't for FM radio, IR Blaster, Removable Battery, Laser Autofocus, Dual Camera, Dual Screen and Nougat i would even say the ZTE Axon 7 is BETTER than V20. the main problem with ZTE is it's just not expensive enough for my ego - otherwise it is great. the screen is is super sharp, vivid and punchy, the front facing speakers are loud and crisp and then there's the 2 year warranty. i'm jealous ...
but i will stick with V20 to protect my dignity. because let's face it - if i'm out on a date i want to have the latest, most technologically advanced and most expensive phone - not the cheapest phone, even if it is just as good or better. really happy with my decision to get Axon 7 for my mom though. she loves it as well.
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Just smh at this whole post. I want my 5 minutes back.
Thats weird, Im using my Note 7 charger on the V20 and it charge the phone completely in less that 2 hours. In my case I always drain my phone to 3% and leave it charging up to 100%. I will check again tonight to be sure.
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Thats weird, Im using my Note 7 charger on the V20 and it charge the phone completely in less that 2 hours. In my case I always drain my phone to 3% and leave it charging up to 100%. I will check again tonight to be sure.
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I wouldn't drain it that low all the time unless you plan on stocking up on batteries or don't mind depleting longevity of battery quicker than usual.
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I wouldn't drain it that low all the time unless you plan on stocking up on batteries or don't mind depleting longevity of battery quicker than usual.
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Tmobile Jump on Demand ftw - I only have devices for 5-6 months tops and then get a new phone
Tested this one one when I got home.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FCZACFA
I was getting 9.2v @ 1.67A = 15w of power. This is the max that my USB multimeter can do so it would seem that this charger is good for QC 3.0 as it did fluctuate voltage as needed.
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Tmobile Jump on Demand ftw - I only have devices for 5-6 months tops and then get a new phone
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That is still wasteful use on a battery and giving the next guy a raw deal. But to each his own. I try and make everything last and more efficient so the next person feels like they are truly getting an almost lightly used phone. If I sell my note4, they're going to get a lightly used battery on top of the 3 extras, with fixed GPS and better reception and cleaned out USB port with no oxidization. Same with my HTC m8 though that was only used as daily driver for two weeks and then a DAP for trips and occasional home use. Definitely selling the m8. They are basically getting a lightly used phone and the battery should still have some good life coming out of it. And personally I think jump is overpriced leasing but I guess you can drive it like you stole it. I prefer handing down the best experience I can to the next person.
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That is still wasteful use on a battery and giving the next guy a raw deal. But to each his own. I try and make everything last and more efficient so the next person feels like they are truly getting an almost lightly used phone. If I sell my note4, they're going to get a lightly used battery on top of the 3 extras, with fixed GPS and better reception and cleaned out USB port with no oxidization. Same with my HTC m8 though that was only used as daily driver for two weeks and then a DAP for trips and occasional home use. Definitely selling the m8. They are basically getting a lightly used phone and the battery should still have some good life coming out of it. And personally I think jump is overpriced leasing but I guess you can drive it like you stole it. I prefer handing down the best experience I can to the next person.
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My devices go back to tmobile which then go back for refurbishment. With the V20 it's easy for them to just replace the battery.
And you really think they do?
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And you really think they do?
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Who knows but tbh it's not my issue at that point.
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I have this at work
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018RR30TK
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Just tested this one at work. Phone was at 28% and I had been streaming Youtube for a good 2 hours before doing the test.
Ended up pulling 9.17v @ 1.68A = 15.40 watts (again maximum that my tester can do).
I'll be ordering a new tester that can handle up to 25A and testing again to see if I can pull the max 18watts of power that the QC 3.0 chargers says it can deliver
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Just tested this one at work. Phone was at 28% and I had been streaming Youtube for a good 2 hours before doing the test.
Ended up pulling 9.17v @ 1.68A = 15.40 watts (again maximum that my tester can do).
I'll be ordering a new tester that can handle up to 25A and testing again to see if I can pull the max 18watts of power that the QC 3.0 chargers says it can deliver
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You mean 25W charger?
Which charger is that? Do share, please.
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You mean 25W charger?
Which charger is that? Do share, please.
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No it's a USB Mutlimeter
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01J7236K2
It will support up to 30V testing and 5A (but there is no charger that I know of that can do that much lol)
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No it's a USB Mutlimeter
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01J7236K2
It will support up to 30V testing and 5A (but there is no charger that I know of that can do that much lol)
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I see.
This looks like a good device.
There are time on my v10 where I'll plug it in and it will charge at a reduced rate so I have to unplug it and plug it back it and it changes to fast charge, that's just been my experience. This is using factory plug and adapter too.
So you might want to make sure the phone says "fast charging" and not "charging".
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To power up, you consume Red Bull. But your phone just needs its adaptive fast charger. Rate this thread to express how quickly the Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 Pro can charge. A higher rating indicates that it charges extremely fast.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
2 Hour With Stock Charger
I didn't completely check the ratings and time but stock charger DOES NOT fast charge this phone. as the Stock Charger isnt QC2.0 Supported. However this mobile does support QC2.0 but you'll have to test QC2.0 Charger 1st. Not all QC2.0 Chargers work on this mobile. Its a little picky. So go to a shop check QC2.0 Chargers on your mobile. when you get circle Sign on notification bar along side battery then it means that device is fast charging. if not then there will be no circle around the charging sign (Flash sign)
also idt this mobile supports QC3.0 but i dont have tools to check amps volts of charger.
Lenovo's original QC3.0 charger doesnt work on this phone. I've tested. but Motorola's QC3.0 Charger works fine.
my rn5 pro , takes apporx 3 hours to charge completely!
So far I'm a bit slow, a little bit more than 3 hours to completely charge the phone. Might have something to do with the cable.
My current charging setup:
- ANKER 5 port 40W
- a docomo USB cable
Planning to buy a proper 20AWG usb cable and a QC2.0 adapter.
I just bought a Letv charger which supported qc3.0 for about 4$ on taobao
I'm currently on the 9.5.11 build and it takes about 4-5 hours to completely charge the device using stock charger, And it took about 2-3 hours while on 9.2 build.
I wonder if the Mi QC 3.0 based charger would improve the situation for us?
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I'm currently on the 9.5.11 build and it takes about 4-5 hours to completely charge the device using stock charger, And it took about 2-3 hours while on 9.2 build.
I wonder if the Mi QC 3.0 based charger would improve the situation for us?
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Slow charge is a known bug in 9.5.11 build. Wait for an update or change ROM
13,2W for me
I recieved 9.2.13 update yesterday and have been noticing significant boost to charging speeds since then...yet to fully charge from 0 so can't comment on total time but as per Ampere, charging speeds are in range of 1500 to 1700 mah
1000 mA max with 5v 2amp and Work Normal Speed with Stock Charger
Approximately 2 hour for charge phone
I use the app Ampere (free in Playstore) to measure power input and with a normal charger (non QC) it shows up to 1600 mAh charging amount and from almost 0 to 100% it is taking 2,5 hours. One question: is there a way to tell if QuickCharge is active?
@Kusie
Look on your"s phone status bar. With normal charging there is thunder icon next to the battery. With QC active, thunder in in circle as far as I remember. Info about active QC should be also displayed in the bottom of your lockscreen
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Using my usb inline meter, i'm getting ~6.5v and ~2.2A, with a Tronsmart usb cable and QC 3.0 Truro charger, screen off and about 44% remaining on battery. Will try when the battery is lower some other time.
takes around 2hours to charge 100% using stock charger..
1h 30min with a Quick Charger from Anker.
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1h 30min with a Quick Charger from Anker.
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Not possible.
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Not possible.
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Of Course it's true, why should I lie?
Turned off the Phone at 5% and charged it to 100%....
Cel00 said:
Of Course it's true, why should I lie?
Turned off the Phone at 5% and charged it to 100%....
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I have no idea why would you do that... But read reviews, no matter what kind of charger you use, this phone only supports qc 2.0 version. From 0 to 100, in 1 hour, you only get like 55%, and in the end it slows down even more, so yes, impossible to fully charge in 1.5h, TECHNICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. You are either lying, or mixed times and got confused. Judging by technical parameters, the best this phone can do should be around 2hours from 0 to 100.
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I have no idea why would you do that... But read reviews, no matter what kind of charger you use, this phone only supports qc 2.0 version. From 0 to 100, in 1 hour, you only get like 55%, and in the end it slows down even more, so yes, impossible to fully charge in 1.5h, TECHNICALLY IMPOSSIBLE. You are either lying, or mixed times and got confused. Judging by technical parameters, the best this phone can do should be around 2hours from 0 to 100.
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I just posted above that I was able to get QC 3.0 charging rates. Approximately 2.2A (fluctuates +/- 0.1A) and 6.6v (fluctuates +/- 0.2v) using a QC 3.0 charger and Tronsmart cable. Measured using an inline meter, not software.
Ok, quick edit 03/11
Below is post by post/day to day, my first real life experience with the PowerPie 20.000mAh 45w PD PPS powerbank.
I will summarise the whole thing with a few pics over the next few days but it's not a very long read if you want to get an idea of it, go ahead
For 58 Euro I think this is worth every cent.
Original first post below:
Hey guys/girls
I haven't been posting much for quite some time but still lurking in the background
I got a 20.000mAh powerbank today called PowerPie, it supports 45w pd pps charging so it is good for Note 10 plus onwards.
There's a link to it here but I'll update this thread with my personal experience as I get testing and trying it out.
Sorry if this has already been covered but I didn't see it mentioned anywhere here.
They do a 45w pd pps charger as well but I did not get that one as there was no 3 pin plug one.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/ELECJET-Po...owerpie&qid=1584195250&sprefix=Elecjet&sr=8-1
https://elecjet.co.uk
j_hansen said:
Hey guys/girls
I haven't been posting much for quite some time but still lurking in the background
I got a 20.000mAh powerbank today called PowerPie, it supports 45w pd pps charging so it is good for Note 10 plus onwards.
There's a link to it here but I'll update this thread with my personal experience as I get testing and trying it out.
Sorry if this has already been covered but I didn't see it mentioned anywhere here.
They do a 45w pd pps charger as well but I did not get that one as there was no 3 pin plug one.
https://elecjet.com/collections/pow...-fast-charging-powerpie-x-20000mah-power-bank
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I got one of these. It works well and has amazing capacity. It's a bit bulky and I don't find myself actually carrying it with me often.
rcobourn said:
I got one of these. It works well and has amazing capacity. It's a bit bulky and I don't find myself actually carrying it with me often.
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Personally I wouldn't need to carry it with me every single day but it is a nice option to have.
What charger/s do you use for it?
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Personally I wouldn't need to carry it with me every single day but it is a nice option to have.
What charger/s do you use for it?
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I'm using the Samsung 45w charger for it. It definitely takes full advantage of that charger.
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I'm using the Samsung 45w charger for it. It definitely takes full advantage of that charger.
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Super, that's the one I have as well so that's good to know.
I didn't know about the 45W charger from Elecjet when I bought the Samsung one but I only paid 37 quid so it is all good.
I think it will sell well since Samsung doesn't seem to be dropping price themselves
1st test
Got to try this thing out for the first time this morning.
I let the Note 10 plus drain until it turned itself off in a final death cramp of a vibration *
Using the short usb-c to usb-c cable that came with the PowerPie I plugged it in.*
I had already charged the PowerPie fully using the official Samsung 45 Watt charger.
Here is what I got at first attempt on my 5 months old Note 10 plus 5G from 0%
7 min - 14%
9 min - 22%
12 min - 30 %
20 min - 47%
30 min - 66% (I've seen claims of 69% but I find 66% perfectly acceptable)
40 min 83%
47 min 90%
1 hour - 96%
1.05 - 100%
Considering that this is a powerbank, not a wall charger I find it a VERY GOOD result.*
The PowerPie is still showing 3 of the 4 LED's so it is so far so good with hoping to get 4 full charges plus a bit but I'll report back on that later.
Update:
I did the 2nd full charge of my Galaxy Note 10 Plus 5G from 0% using the PowerPie and it was actually a minute or two quicker to both 90 and 100% today
but anything above 80% (42 minutes) is really irrelevant.
However, the positive taken from todays mini test is that during this 2nd charge cycle the led's on the PowerPie did drop from 3 to 2 but after charging the phone to a 100% there is still 2 led's lit up which should indicate that there is over 50% in *The Pie*
Tomorrow and the day after to go and I'll be able to confirm if a full 4 charges for the Note 10 plus 5G is possible but it is looking positive so far.
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Update:
I did the 2nd full charge of my Galaxy Note 10 Plus 5G from 0% using the PowerPie and it was actually a minute or two quicker to both 90 and 100% today
but anything above 80% (42 minutes) is really irrelevant.
However, the positive taken from todays mini test is that during this 2nd charge cycle the led's on the PowerPie did drop from 3 to 2 but after charging the phone to a 100% there is still 2 led's lit up which should indicate that there is over 50% in *The Pie*
Tomorrow and the day after to go and I'll be able to confirm if a full 4 charges for the Note 10 plus 5G is possible but it is looking positive so far.
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I think it drops off a bit faster near the end, I'd be surprised to get 4 charges, but I haven't tried.
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I think it drops off a bit faster near the end, I'd be surprised to get 4 charges, but I haven't tried.
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I'm giving it a go anyway, it will be nice to know how far it stretches for when you need it.
After this first initial testing it will be the exemption rather than the rule running *The Pie* flat again
I want to also see how quick it charges to full using the Samsung 45w charger so obviously have to run it dry.
Another Update.
Day 3:
3rd full charge cycle just done and there is still 1 led left on, on *The Pie* indicating that there is a minimum of 25% 5000mAh left in it, so it will be interesting tomorrow to see if that translates into a 4th full charge cycle.
Interesting thing from todays mini test was that I instead of letting the Galaxy Note 10 Plus die on it's own, I instead switched it off at 1% (letting Galaxy phones die completely have caused issues for customers in the past)*
This seems to have resulted in slightly faster charging as it went to 77% in 30-31 minutes and a full 100% in 96 minutes, which is a fair bit better than starting from completely dead.
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Another Update.
Day 3:
3rd full charge cycle just done and there is still 1 led left on, on *The Pie* indicating that there is a minimum of 25% 5000mAh left in it, so it will be interesting tomorrow to see if that translates into a 4th full charge cycle.
Interesting thing from todays mini test was that I instead of letting the Galaxy Note 10 Plus die on it's own, I instead switched it off at 1% (letting Galaxy phones die completely have caused issues for customers in the past)*
This seems to have resulted in slightly faster charging as it went to 77% in 30-31 minutes and a full 100% in 96 minutes, which is a fair bit better than starting from completely dead.
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Hi Friends,
I have been thinking of getting the 45 watt samsung charger myself but then had this thought of going for a 65 watt Type C charger for a dell chromebook 3380.
Note 10+ is supposed to be able to take upto 47 watts if I'm not mistaken. please correct me if I'm wrong. The dell charger will work for the phone and the chromebook both and costs around $52-55 here. The Samsung Charger on the online Sammy store is also $53-55 and that in my currency equals ₹3500 - 4200 approx. The chromebook charger will actually cost less because the don't sell that well but the Samsung won't be coming down anytime soon atleast which makes me lean towards the dell.
You maybe aware that oppo is shipping the Reno 2 or 3 whichever it is they launched few days ago with a 65 watt fast charger.
After reading through this topic and your posts one thing I found surprising is that the charge times are actually more than my standard 25 watt charger that came in the box. Is it that the power bank is not putting out 45 watts for charging the phone but is capable of being charged with a 45 watt charger?
I think if we use a 45 watt charger for the phone itself the total time to go from 0% to 100% should not be more than 30-35 minutes. Is that correct, because you have those chargers I think you would be the right ones to throw some light on this.
Thanks for sharing and I am looking forward to your advice/experience in this regard.
Have a great day ahead, it is 4.20 am in India right now for others I would say sleep well if it's bedtime.
This is the longest time I have been on a phone without rooting it, which I will do soon. I wanted to check how true the statement that most apps that needed root can now work without it.
It hasn't turned out to be quite like that, titanium backup needs root and most importantly the best audio mod for android ViperFX needs root too. I have also been running 2 sim cards and the micro sd card at the same time, which samsung has blocked and thus can't be done without rooting and a custom os.
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Hi centaur31
Don't get just any 45w charger as you will end up with something that only charges you phone at 15w or maybe 25w if you are lucky.
Reason for this is that you need a pd pps charger, just pd won't work.
Oppo and other OEMs use different proprietary types of fast charging so their chargers won't work either.
From 0-100 % your 25W charger will be nearly as quick as the 45w only about 10 minutes difference.
The 45W is a good bit faster at the lower and mid so disregard between 80-100% it's not how it was designed.
No your 25W will not charge faster than either this 45w PowerPie or Samsung 45w between 80-100%
I have 25/45w from Samsung and also now this powerbank so I can guarantee that.
I can't help you with the Root questions as I haven't been doing that since Note 4, to me the 8/9/10 is fine without Root
Sorry I missed a thing there...
No 45w will not charge to 100% in 30-35min.
55min. is probably the best you can expect to see and 1.05h from the 25w
Final day of this mini test of the *The Pie* with the Note 10 Plus 5G
I let the phone go down to 1% again and plugged it in, there was still 1 of the 4 LEDs lit up on the power bank so I was a little optimistic about maybe getting a full 4th charge out of it but it wasn't to be....
However...It stopped at bang on 60% so all in I think it is a very respectable result considering that this is a 45W fast charging powerbank.
3 full 4300mAh charges plus one at 60% (2580mAh) if you can calculate it that directly.
Is it worth the 58 Euro I paid for it... I most certainly think so
I measured Powerpie bank and official 45w charger do not go pass 38w no matter what so in reality its 38w charger.. also there's Baseus PPS 45w car charger that works with Note 10+ and it maxes out at 38w as well (when the phone is completely dead, it's even lower if it has some juice still left).. so don't spend arm and a leg on that new car charger Samsung just announced, I payed for Baseus 12$ on ebay [emoji23]
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The Baseus I'm sure doesn't do 45W pps but I doubt that you are correct about both Samsungs charger and the PowerPie.
I would question your testing/measurement methods a bit, simply because you can't get ANY of the 3 different pieces of equipment to go over 38w
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The Baseus I'm sure doesn't do 45W pps but I doubt that you are correct about both Samsungs charger and the PowerPie.
I would question your testing/measurement methods a bit, simply because you can't get ANY of the 3 different pieces of equipment to go over 38w
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did you try testing official charger? if yes what was your results?
p. s I was able to get 38.5 on pie I believe, the other ones would wary 38.xxxw
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I think it drops off a bit faster near the end, I'd be surprised to get 4 charges, but I haven't tried.
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did you try testing official charger? if yes what was your results?
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I didn't find it necessary to test the official charger as it delivered the charging times that Samsung claims it should.
Are you sure you are using the correct type cable for testing?
OK so you didn't actually measured the actual wattage at various stages of the battery lol until you do, how can you argue that I'm doing something incorrectly, see for yourself
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Well they're claiming UP TO 45w, not 45w all the time so in reality that means that if it only hit 45w once or twice then it does what they say
I'm happy enough with the charging results I have gotten anyway as they have lived up to expectations.
Next to try is the pps car charger