★★★This topic is for them who are having problems with stock charger and cable. If you don't have any problems, ignore this ★★★
Well, since I purchased my Note 2, I kept facing this slow charging problem. Now what is slow charging some of you will ask? Well, it's simple. The device is taking more than normal time for charging. Now how do you know the default/should be rate for charging? Simple again. The AC adapter clearly says output rate as 2000 mA or 2.0 A. So with that calculation Note 2's monstrous 3100 mAh should be fully charged with 2 hours. But as we've seen steady 2.0A is not the output case in some/many scenario, so add another 30 mins to it. So whatever it is, from 0-100%, the device shouldn't take more than 2 hours 30 minutes.
And for me, it was taking around 5 hours! Sometimes 4 hours 30 minutes, and if it's very fast then 4 hours. Well I was never gonna wait 4 damn hours before going to my office and irritate myself, and I don't have the habit of charging overnight, unless I absolutely need it.
So I kept calling my retailer, asked for replacement, and they did, well, you won't believe, they replaced three times actually, so I had three different Note 2, with three different charger. Well, each of them acted absolutely fine at first 3-4 charge, then the problem was back again and again. I in fact turned off the device and put it into trash once.
Then I thought let's try some different USB cables, I tried my friend's Galaxy Ace cable. Charging current kept fluctuating between 1000-1200 mA. Which was better than those faulty stock cables, which provided steady 900 mA. Sometimes it even was detecting the AC current as USB, which would provide a mere 460 mA and would take God knows how long! Then I found my piece. I went to my retailer, frustrated and angry, asked them to give me the thickest and shortest possible cable, and they provide me one from a Samsung phone's box, but I can't recall which device was that! And then I sat there for half an hour, kept plugging and unplugging, and the current rate was rock steady at 1800 mA. I took it, paid just 10$ and came back.
Since then I have charged my phone almost 10 times and the current rate never went below 1800 mA / 1.8 A.
This is the cable I am using, do notice that it has 5 pin set up against stock cable's 4 pi, if that matters in any way, and it's about 10% thicker than the stock cable and also about 9" shorter.
And how will you monitor the charging current, three ways are there,
1- Battery Monitor (yet I don't know how to exactly use it)
2- If you are rooted (which is a must anyway), then just go to, /sys/class/power_supply/battery/current_avg
3- Use the app from the link below. It basically reads the current value just exactly as above but it saves the time to go into that file every time. A big thanks to Deadvirus.
Galaxy Charging Current application's apk can be found here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=36124435)?
Play Store link: (Paid)
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...S5hYm1hbnRpcy5nYWxheHljaGFyZ2luZ2N1cnJlbnQiXQ..
Thanks to this post and it's poster for informing us about the current output reading path,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=33585646&postcount=31
The included cable charger that mine came with charges fast like that, I let it charge slow with standard USB port overnight, but the included charger nd included cable should achieve this. The cable is important.
kebabs said:
The included cable charger that mine came with charges fast like that, I let it charge slow with standard USB port overnight, but the included charger nd included cable should achieve this. The cable is important.
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Same here, it's done within about 2 hours every time, from ~1%. Something definitely must have gone wrong with yours :s
R: [SOLUTION] Slow Charging!
You are amazingly right. Every charger/cable combo I test seems to deliver different currents, according to the app you posted, ranging from 600 to 1300 (mA?).
Didn't know that could happen. Now I am looking for the Holy Grail of chargers, too.
After some tests: original chargers of Note 2 and Tab provide 1800 mA; no-brand Chinese labeled 1500 gives 1400; one Nokia labeled 1200 gives 1300, another, labeled 1200, gives 1200. Puro brand, labeled 2100, gives 1100. Another Chinese, no-brand, labeled 2000, double usb, gives 1100 per socket. Other no-brand samples give 600 or 300 mA.
Enormous variability.
Think I'll use the 1800 mA Samsung for when I'm out, and the good Nokia's for overnight charging when home.
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And I ve been wondering why the heck original cable is too short. I thought samsung were just tight gits. Cable is mot even long enough to reach feom the wall to bed side table
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no problem whatsoever with mine , charging from 1 to 100 % in about 2 - 2:10 hours
Thank you for nice explanation! Now it's much clearer.
For me...
Stock charger + stock short cable (0,9 m) = ~2+ hours
Stock charger + some other cable (1,8 m) = ~4+ hours
,don't know about thicknes. Mb stock cable is thicker, or at least harder to bend.
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Thanks for the APK, I found a huge variance in charging rates based on a combination of chargers and cables. Goes to show that the cable makes a huge difference. Here's my findings:
** Stock Charger (2A):
w/Stock Cable (4-pin) - 1698
w/Cable from another phone (5-pin) - 1698
w/Cable from battery pack (5-pin)- 1698
w/generic eBay cable (4-pin)- 100! - It didn't charge at all, even with screen off.
** iPhone Charger (1A):
w/Stock Cable (4-pin) - 1300
w/Cable from another phone (5-pin) - 1100
w/Cable from battery pack (5-pin) - 1300
w/generic eBay cable (4-pin) - 100!
** Car Charger (1A):
w/another generic eBay cable - 490
(Was running Redpill kernel, not sure if that has fast charging built in which might affect results).
The app is really helpful. Been wondering what the charging current was on different chargers.
I measured it using the app based on current AVG and not current NOW. This is because I used a 800ma blackberry charger and yet current now shows 1698 which is impossible.
The app will tell you which cables and chargers are good. I was shocked that out of my 8 cables only 3 gave an average of more than 1000, the rest give around 800 or less.
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Hi!
So, the AC adaptater mentionne 2A but it doesn't mean that your devuce consume 2A... It means that the AC adaptater can provide 2A under 5V.
If a load need to consume 500mA the adaptater can provide enough power. But if it needs more than 2A, the ouput current will be at the 2A max but your voltage will decrease (it means that you have a device problem!).
The only thing to do is to refer to the user manual of device.
One thing more, the USB protocole fix the maximun current to 1A!
An other thing, if you want to have a better battery life it recommended to charge your battery slowly. Just have the habit to charge it during the night.
See ya.
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I also got an lg very thick cable..which is also 5 pin and let me tell it charges REEEEAAAALLLLYYYY FAST..when seen in application posted in op(thanx) it shows 1800..but the problem is if I detach charging before battery full notification then the battery is consumed at very high rate..I.e battery life decreased or maybe shows fake battery percentage. .and if I go for full charge it takes half hour more after 100% to show battery full in notification. .
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lucier said:
Hi!
So, the AC adaptater mentionne 2A but it doesn't mean that your devuce consume 2A... It means that the AC adaptater can provide 2A under 5V.
If a load need to consume 500mA the adaptater can provide enough power. But if it needs more than 2A, the ouput current will be at the 2A max but your voltage will decrease (it means that you have a device problem!).
The only thing to do is to refer to the user manual of device.
One thing more, the USB protocole fix the maximun current to 1A!
An other thing, if you want to have a better battery life it recommended to charge your battery slowly. Just have the habit to charge it during the night.
See ya.
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Yes, the stock charger doesn't provide full 2A current.
And is it true that if the device is charged slowly the battery backup will be better? I mean that would be good then. I'll try that, thanks for informing.
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I also got an lg very thick cable..which is also 5 pin and let me tell it charges REEEEAAAALLLLYYYY FAST..when seen in application posted in op(thanx) it shows 1800..but the problem is if I detach charging before battery full notification then the battery is consumed at very high rate..I.e battery life decreased or maybe shows fake battery percentage. .and if I go for full charge it takes half hour more after 100% to show battery full in notification. .
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On my old cable, the damaged stock one, it'd take half an hour to reach 100% from 99. With this one it takes 5-6 mins.
This whole charging process is complicated that much I can say.
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Unfortunately I got a grey import so my stock charger was for a different country.
I'm having to use a 1.0A charger instead.
It still only takes a few hours to charge though. I sleep for 4-5 hours and it's always fully charged when I wake up.
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Hmm is this a accurate way of measuring amp?
I was using same cord and the apk provided above, using the default 2amp charger says 1697 and using a bellkin in charger rated at 1amp,says the same thing?
Hmm
I am a bit confused, which of the following is my actual charging rate? The charge is really slow, around 15% per hour or so.
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As I stated in the screenshot, you shouldn't look at current_now, it'll always be same, 1698, you should look at current_avg.
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Damn. That means it's time for me to get a new charger, isn't it?
Just switched to a very old 0.7 A output charger my father uses on his primitive samsung device. It gives better results than my stock charger/USB cable, provided by samsung. 800 mA on a 700 mA charger. How is that even possible?
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SacGuru said:
I am a bit confused, which of the following is my actual charging rate? The charge is really slow, around 15% per hour or so.
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are using stock cable ?
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are using stock cable ?
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Yeah I am. The stock charger says 2A, 5V. When used with the stock cable it charges at a mere 200-400 mA. I used the wall charger of an old samsung phone (doesn't have a usb cable, just a wall charger) and current rises to 800mA. Where can I buy a good USB cable at in the UK?
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I have buy a new stock charger because I was thinking my stock one was dead (slow charging / usb mode)...
But in fact it's not my stock charger who is defected but it's just the cable!!!
Just try with another cable and it's OK (AC mode).
Thanks for the apk!
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Using today the phone @ 100% brightness with car charger connected and using Sygic / Copilot, I see that my device can't not even charge at the same time that I am using it, but maintain their % of battery. Even with the charger the phone drains battery.
WTF samsung, So i cant make a long travel without running out of battery?
Anyone more with this problem?
PS: My HD2, HD, TyTN2, etc doesn't have this problem with the same car charger, they even charge at the same time.
What's the rating on your charger? I had to swap mine out for a 1A one in order to cope with GPS use in the car. Haven't had a problem since then.
I suspect the one you're using is 750mA or even potentially 500.
I have just had the same problem. I knew i needed a higher amp charger but i thought i would give it a try. The one i used is 650mA, so that's definitely not large enough. The normal 'house' charger is 0.7A (700mA) so in theory that size or above should charge whilst the S2 is being used.
I have a 1200 mA usb adapter for car (a sony ericsson, very very slim one) and I have no issues. You need a decent amount of power for that phone so 650mA will not do, have at least 1000.
http://www.nextag.com/Sony-Ericsson-AN400-Compact-853915153/specs-html
Not sure if this is the exact model but I found it to be the best because it's slim and there is nothing sticking out of the car socket, has a lot of power and I can power any usb device with it.
padlad said:
I have just had the same problem. I knew i needed a higher amp charger but i thought i would give it a try. The one i used is 650mA, so that's definitely not large enough. The normal 'house' charger is 0.7A (700mA) so in theory that size or above should charge whilst the S2 is being used.
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Yest but probably you hava a chinese charger. The rating on it is never near the real one.
oh, I see, crappy charger, ill change then thanks guys
TomTom recently released a high speed multi charger. I replaced my old car charger with this one as I had a similar slow charge problem. Never had a problem ever since. All my weapons are always fully loaded with enough power! Expensive though!
http://www.tomtom.com/en_gb/product...-cables/high-speed-multi-charger-9UUC.001.04/
If someone is using a cheap higher-powered mains adaptor without issue, could you please post a (UK) link? Also if anyone knows of a cheaper alternative to the £20 car charger that would be great too!
I had same problem.I bought Samsung charger and no problem after
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2.1 Amp TomTom charger is way too much for this device. Samsung wall charger is only rated at 750mA, but someone even found out that in source level Samsung has limited the power current at only 650mA.
With 1 Amp (1000mA) top quality car charger, the phone lost charge while using Navigation on full brightness.
Very slow charging in general for this phone.
shawt said:
I had same problem.I bought Samsung charger and no problem after
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Same here
Mittaa said:
Same here
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Can you provide a link? I'd like to get one
I bought mine on eBay for £6.Just search "genuine samsung car charger"
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I bought today a Belking car charger of 2.1amps and suprise!, same problem battery drain.
Can be maybe the car? I doubt it, any idea?
http://www.belkin.com/IWCatProductPage.process?Product_Id=525940
When you have the car charger plugged into the phone go into Settings/About phone/Status & look at "Battery status"; it should tell you if the phone thinks it's plugged into a USB port (in which case the phone will draw only 450 mA) or an AC charger (from which the phone will draw 650 mA). These limits are built into the Samsung ROM, presumably to keep the phone cool and/or extend the battery's lifespan. They could be overridden (especially the AC charger current limit) in a custom ROM.
Absent a custom ROM, if the Status display says you're connected to a USB port, you could try a different charger, or connecting USB pins 2 & 3 (the two center pins on the USB A connector) together. That's how the phone decides if it's connected to a USB port or AC charger -- the low-resistance (less than 200 ohm) connection between the two USB data pins is the key. The spec calls for 200 ohms resistance between the data pins, but some of the low-end high current chargers I've seen just have a direct short.
If that doesn't work, or if the Status display says you're charging off AC, then try some of the other battery-life tricks documented here in the forums; they should reduce the device's draw from the battery, allowing the charger to do its job.
Wow, this is kind of disappointing i have to say. I have noticed the USB charging is incredibly slow. You can't ever rely on it, i think it would take close to 5 hrs to fully charge from USB, that's insane! By mains it's somewhere between 2 and 3, but that's still way too high.
I take it if you buy a higher-powered mains adaptor (not one for the car) then we'd definitely get the benefits of a faster charge? Can someone post a link to one they are using and know works faster that the stock one?
Cheers
I ll try ur tricks guyz.
for the time being this is my situation (and it sux):
-car charger 1A 5v
-slow chargin and hot device
-using navigator equals : phone burns, drains battery and in the worst scenario freezes
yesterday I received a call while phone plugged into car charger with navigator session. wot happened is phone freezed (screen didnt switch off) and I saw PROXIMITY SENSOR WAS RED!
shawt said:
I had same problem.I bought Samsung charger and no problem after
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The first post got me worried for a while, but this info has put me back to ease. Pre-ordered the GS2 (India) and getting the original Samsung charger along as a freebie.
Yeah, i have simelar experience with the samsung s2 in my car.
Its eating the battery even when its plugged in and i think i have a good charger..
I found 1 solution.. I use now copilot, you can set different setting to disable the screen automatically when you drive a straigt forward for some kilometres, only when you need to turn it comes up again.
thats how i set it and it loads a little, but bad anyway.
Maybe thats what the + means in Super Amoled + (+batteryusage)
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Maybe thats what the + means in Super Amoled + (+batteryusage)
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nexus S didnt have such a problems. it's only around how samsung managed chipset.
I ll try to set cpu downclock while temperature goes over 40..
Earlier I was nokia N86 user. Charger of that phone is same like SGS2. I charged my SGS2 with that charger. And I got the feeling that it was faster than original SGS2 charger.
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Give us some data on charging timers pls.
Details please....
Ok will give it in few days. I'll start calculating it.
Will u need any screen shots? If yes than how I mean is der any way to calculate time directly on phone?
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i have a nokia n97 mini charger which i use to charge my SGS2. It is indeed faster. But i guess it is because the nokia charger is capable of 1.2 A against only 0.7 A for the Samsung charger. Keep in mind that the voltage is the important number when matching chargers.
Both chargers are 5 V. Having higher A number means the charger is capable of giving out more power (power = V x A), power is energy rate (how much energy per second delivered). That is why Nokia's charger is faster, because it can give enery at a faster rate
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i have a nokia n97 mini charger which i use to charge my SGS2. It is indeed faster. But i guess it is because the nokia charger is capable of 1.2 A against only 0.7 A for the Samsung charger. Keep in mind that the voltage is the important number when matching chargers.
Both chargers are 5 V. Having higher A number means the charger is capable of giving out more power (power = V x A), power is energy rate (how much energy per second delivered). That is why Nokia's charger is faster, because it can give enery at a faster rate
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The question is: is this gonna waste the samsung's battery?
I'm no battery expert but wouldn't samsung have selected the amp level for a reason??
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I'm no battery expert but wouldn't samsung have selected the amp level for a reason??
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Yes, Price been issuing an (I think 1amp) old htc charger. Not sure I notice a difference in charge speed, though its possible it still helps when running flash, oced etc by helping power the phone more so the battery isn't picking up the slack and can maintain charging without load. And no more amps can't hurt,a load will pull what it needs (more volts WOULD be am issue) Its like a 1200 watt pc power supply to run grandmas pentium computer wouldn't hurt it, just be under utilized. Make sense?
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Are you surprised it charges faster? I'm socked that my SGSII charger only throws out 700mA.
What are they playing at giving "travel charger" in the box?
The charge speed is directly related to the current output of the charger in use, as long as the phone is designed to accept a current higher than the lowly 700mA the standard one outputs.
With a 1A charger you should get (in theory) ~43% faster charging, assuming the phone and battery can draw that much current to charge.
Let's hope the phone supports this:
In Battery Charging Specification,[38] new powering modes are added to the USB specification. A host or hub Charging Downstream Port can supply a maximum of 1.5 A when communicating at low-bandwidth or full-bandwidth, a maximum of 900 mA when communicating at high-bandwidth, and as much current as the connector will safely handle when no communication is taking place; USB 2.0 standard-A connectors are rated at 1.5 A by default. A Dedicated Charging Port can supply a maximum of 1.8 A of current at 5.25 V. A portable device can draw up to 1.8 A from a Dedicated Charging Port. The Dedicated Charging Port shorts the D+ and D- pins with a resistance of at most 200 Ω. The short disables data transfer, but allows devices to detect the Dedicated Charging Port and allows very simple, high current chargers to be manufactured. The increased current (faster, 9 W charging) will occur once both the host/hub and devices support the new charging specification.
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Would make charging insane.
I didnt understand whatever kani has quoted.
Plz somebody tell me is it safe to charge or not?
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Havent done any test but my old blackberry charger, charges the phone faster. Anything is faster than the stock charger.
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Hmm im interested in this thread, somebody with an electrical background should chime in on if its totally safe or not to use a charger with more current output.
I don't know if you european guys have different chargers than us, this is what mine reads.
input 100-240v- 50-60hz 0.15a
Output 5.0v 1.0A
unleashed12 said:
Hmm im interested in this thread, somebody with an electrical background should chime in on if its totally safe or not to use a charger with more current output.
I don't know if you european guys have different chargers than us, this is what mine reads.
input 100-240v- 50-60hz 0.15a
Output 5.0v 1.0A
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Mine says
"Input 100-240v- 50-60hz 0.15A
Output 5.0v 0.7A"
So yes, guess we do have different chargers
So i guess then NA has the theoretical 50% higher charging rate @ 1.0 A that one other guy was mentioning earlier; i was wondering because i really feel that my charge time on this phone isn't slow at all. Was looking to possibly make it faster even
Me too i saw a quickly charge with n97 charger.
But, with the original one, you gain like 1/2 hours of autonomy.
Quick charger = less time to charge the buttery but less time on battery
Slow charger = more time to charge buttery but more time of autonomy
The best should be charging the phone in offline mode using the computer
Mine says
Input : 150-300vac
50 - 60Hz 0.15A
output :5.0V 0.7A
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And On nokia charger
Input : AC100-240V/50-60HZ/160mA
output: DC 5.0V/1200mA
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I think it should be fine, i used another charger on my old HD2 for most of the time i had it (a year and a half) after i lost the original and never had any issues.
So can someone give a list of what chargers would charge the phone faster than the one that came with it.
thanks
The phone apparently limits the charging current to 650mA no matter the charger. Not sure I'd want to be the one testing increasing the cap though
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1132649&highlight=Charging
Hello people!
First of all, I have a HTC EVO 3D GSM, and the tests I tried below are done on it... I just posted here because I don't think the issue I am having is device-specific (happened on the Desire and Desire HD, too - somewhat). Actually, I know this issue isn't device-specific. I'm just trying to find out if anyone else has been experiencing this, at a moment in his life .
I originally posted the thread in General discussion -> General, but the topic's been moved, rendering it useless...
I know this post is very long, but please allow 5-10 minutes of your time to go through this.
Charger : original HTC charger (1A output).
Cables : two BlackBerry microUSB cables, one is 2 inches shorter than the other. The HTC one broke after two weeks of usage, these BlackBerry ones stand up for the fight even after 6 months of abusing.
Extension cord : HAMA. USB 2.0, maximum speed 480 Mbit/s (that's what it says on the box). "Additional shielding for a good reduction of electromagnetic interference" -> so it's not double shielded (in case that matters at all). It's gray (for what it's worth). 1.8 meters long.
Battery Monitor Widget (BMW) may not show power consumption accurate while deep sleep, but it works fine when the phone is used and, THANK GOD, when CHARGING. So, with that app, I monitored the input current...
So... here's my little personal test.
Battery was at ~81%, so the input current wasn't varying because of the battery level, but because of the (****ty) cable(s). Throughout the test, the battery level got up a bit, but I tried to keep it steady at ~81-82 at the beginning of each test.
CPU @ 192 MHz - 1.51 GHz, Interactive governor. No undervolting, so the table ranges from 800mV (192 MHz) to 1175mV (1.51 GHz). Nothing changes, anyway, even if I undervolt it -75mV, so the voltage has nothing to do with it (maybe during * tests, it could mean a difference of a few miliamps, but it's not a viable solution).
Charging tests # - Wi-Fi off, Data off, Screen on Auto, off until I wake it and check the current with BMW.
Charging #1 : just with the BlackBerry cable, no extension cord. 1 minute after plug in : +800mA. 2 minutes after that : +789mA. It went up to 82%, so I discharged it to 81% and carried on with the next test.
Charging #2 : BlackBerry cable + the HAMA extension cord. 1 minute after plug in : +489mA. 2 minutes after that : +485mA. Notice that the input current was almost sliced in half.
Charging tests * - Wi-Fi on (signal ~80%), Data off, Screen on lowest brightness. Playing Star Legends (basically, it's opened, I'm not touching anything, any graphics that are going on there are hardly intense, nothing GPU-hunry is going on, so it's just sitting there). Media volume = 1.
Charging *1 : just with the BlackBerry cable, no extension cord. 1 minute after plug in : +413mA. 2 minutes after that : +471mA.
I couldn't resist and entered a PvP, so intense graphics were somewhat there, also touch points and all that... The current input was around +312mA.
Charging *1 : BlackBerry cable + the HAMA extension cord. 1 minute after plug in : -11mA. Notice it's discharging, but at a slow rate. 2 minutes after that : +31mA. So it started to actually draw some current from the charger, so I let it that way for another 2 minutes, and it's got to -5mA again. So definetly no charging here .
Normally, without charging, the consumption would be of about -513mA... -622mA... Same conditions : Wi-Fi on (~80% signal), Media volume on 1, lowest screen brightness, player just sitting there (in Star Legends).
I did tests with Asphalt 6 (no Wi-Fi, no active Internet connection), too. Same consumption... Same sh*t... I was thinking the Internet connection is what kills the incoming current the most (it turns out it hardly is).
So... Has anyone ever experienced something similar?! I really need an extension cord, lol.
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I was wondering if a more powerful charger would solve this, but after reading THIS, I think there are hardly any chances...
I had another HAMA extension cord before. White, with double shielding, same lenght (1.8 meters)... Same current readings... I brought that one back to the store to get my $7 back, and here I am, 1 week later, having another one, in hope that the previous one was broken and this one is not. Haha...
So it's not the cord itself (bad company, lol), but the fact that there just is another connection the current has to go through...?!
Your tests are meaningless. Your phone does not draw more than 650mA no matter what charger you use. But it's possible the phone draws less if the extension cable somehow interferes.
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Your tests are meaningless. Your phone does not draw more than 650mA no matter what charger you use. But it's possible the phone draws less if the extension cable somehow interferes.
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It draws 900 mA (no extension cable) when the battery is nearly empty. As the battery fills up, the input current lowers...
Formhault said:
It draws 900 mA (no extension cable) when the battery is nearly empty
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No, it does not, no matter what Battery Monitor Widget tells you.
How can you be sure it only draws 650mA?
I tried to charge my old Desire with a 600mA charger and it wasn't full even after 6 hours!!! That was 7 months ago...
i was wondering about this as i dont have the orignal charger it came with but i hear its at 0.7amps, while some have 1.0amps, this link states below that the galaxy note charger is faster at 1.0amp,
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1329510
Formhault said:
How can you be sure it only draws 650mA?
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It's well documented in the forums and there's also video evidence
From my understanding, the Galaxy S 2 comes with a 0.7A charger (just like the Nexus S). If it comes with that, it means it only draws that much... Am I right?
All HTC's I've owned had a 1A charger. When I tried a 600mA charger I had at home, it barely charged the phone(s)...
So I'd say the input current limitation you've got doesn't affect HTC users (gladly). Still, there's no way to be sure about that, I can't find a similar video on YouTube, nor information regarding it...
What's that got to do with the I9100, which does have such a limitation no matter what charger you use?
Wow, reading fail on my part, you don't even have an I9100.
You're in the wrong forums, and this device is limited to 650mA.
i cant find alot of info about its amps
this guy states he got a 1amp charger with his SG2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19210781&postcount=17
im using a .85A charger from my sony x8 and it chargers the same as my other wall charger
original battery charger with dock stand
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=456123032
Input: 5.0V 500mA-700 mA
Output: 4.2V 450mA-600mA
oinkylicious said:
What's that got to do with the I9100, which does have such a limitation no matter what charger you use?
Wow, reading fail on my part, you don't even have an I9100.
You're in the wrong forums, and this device is limited to 650mA.
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It may be limited, okay, but then again, if my device draws +400mA from the charger if I use it when otherwise it would charge at ~+800, that means also your dual core big-screen device would do the same, too (but not at the same values). So if you take 650mA from the charger, I assume it would charge at maximum 250 if you use it (say browse the web etc.)
What does Battery Monitor Widget / CurrentWidget show you? Does it show actual current input or... it shows fake values?!
republicano said:
i cant find alot of info about its amps
this guy states he got a 1amp charger with his SG2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=19210781&postcount=17
im using a .85A charger from my sony x8 and it chargers the same as my other wall charger
original battery charger with dock stand
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=456123032
Input: 5.0V 500mA-700 mA
Output: 4.2V 450mA-600mA
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When I heard you guys here on the forums saying that the SGS2 charges at only 650mA... I asked a friend of mine (only know one to own this device, sadly). I just gave him a phonecall and asked if his charger was of .6A or 1. He said 1. Also, his phone charges fast, in like 2 hours (he claims), so I'd say it really draws 1A... Otherwise it can't charge in only 2 hours...
He couldn't tell me what ROM he's using. I figured there's gotta be something modified in the kernel or something, but he has no idea what ROM he's got rolleyes:).
Sorry for the double post, I was expecting it to be automatically merged (which normally happens).
Couldn't care less about charging a HTC. Don't own one but I bet there are heaps of people that do in that forum.
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On the topic of charging my S2 with other cables, I've noticed strange anomalies when using Blackberry chargers and USB cables with my S2. My touchscreen gets unresponsive until I unplug the Blackberry charger.
Has anyone noticed this?
rawr said:
On the topic of charging my S2 with other cables, I've noticed strange anomalies when using Blackberry chargers and USB cables with my S2. My touchscreen gets unresponsive until I unplug the Blackberry charger.
Has anyone noticed this?
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Yes. Not totally unresponsive but intermittent and sometimes to lockup until unplugged.
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rawr said:
On the topic of charging my S2 with other cables, I've noticed strange anomalies when using Blackberry chargers and USB cables with my S2. My touchscreen gets unresponsive until I unplug the Blackberry charger.
Has anyone noticed this?
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That never happened to my HTC. I've used BlackBerry and Nokia cables, cables won't do anything.
I have a wall charger, which is claimed to be of 1A. It barely gives me +13mA, lol. It came in a pack with a car charger, which also was claimed to have 1A, and that one DID provide 1A 3 months ago when I tried it on my Desire (never tried it since then -- sold it now). When using the wall charger, the touchscreen would become unresponsive after 5 seconds. Unresponsive = touches itself, so-to-say.
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Couldn't care less about charging a HTC. Don't own one but I bet there are heaps of people that do in that forum.
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I just posted this topic in this forum too, because I figure there are more active S2 users than 3VO users... And I wanted to hear from you guys, how your phones behave in the same situations, too... Otherwise you imagine I wouldn't be here...
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God damn it. I thought the posts get merged if you make a new post just after you've already done one...?! :/
Hi all,
Ok, so I finally managed to order a 16Gb Nexus 4 and hopefully it will be with me in 1 week or so.
And I was wondering one thing regarding the AC adapter: I believe (pls correct me if I am wrong) that the original AC adapter’s output voltage is DC 5V, 1.2A.
I will need an extra AC adapter to keep it at work and I was planning to use one of those:
- The Sony Xperia P AC adapter will output 5V, 1,5A
- The Samsung Galaxy S AC adapter will output 5V, 0,7A
It is clear that neither of those 2 chargers will match exactly the specifications of the original Nexus charger (same voltage, but different amperage).
So, here goes the questions:
1) Is there any problem if I use a charger that will output the same voltage but with different amperage?... if not, which one would you use and why?.
2) how the amperage affect to the charging process?.
Thanks all in advance
PS: sorry for terrible English
You can use any charger up to 2 amps.
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Evergreen74 said:
Hi all,
Ok, so I finally managed to order a 16Gb Nexus 4 and hopefully it will be with me in 1 week or so.
And I was wondering one thing regarding the AC adapter: I believe (pls correct me if I am wrong) that the original AC adapter’s output voltage is DC 5V, 1.2A.
I will need an extra AC adapter to keep it at work and I was planning to use one of those:
- The Sony Xperia P AC adapter will output 5V, 1,5A
- The Samsung Galaxy S AC adapter will output 5V, 0,7A
It is clear that neither of those 2 chargers will match exactly the specifications of the original Nexus charger (same voltage, but different amperage).
So, here goes the questions:
1) Is there any problem if I use a charger that will output the same voltage but with different amperage?... if not, which one would you use and why?.
2) how the amperage affect to the charging process?.
Thanks all in advance
PS: sorry for terrible English
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You must use a 5V AC USB Adapter and better no LESS than 1A
for Fast Charge.
AC Adapter I Use:
iPad AC Adapter 5V 2.1A at Work
PlayBook AC Adapter 5V 1.8A at Home 1
Original Nexus 4 AC 5V 1.2A at Home 2.
Our Nexus 4 will Draw around 0.8A when Batt lever at 0% - 80%,
then around 0.5A at 80%-95%, Final State 95%-100% will draw 0.2A roughly.
When 100%, Nexus 4 will use the AC power & the Current "A" show on phone
will like 2mA (0.002A) when idling.
** 1A = 1000mA
As previous poster said, do not go under 1.2amp.
I run the OEM charger in my bed room, a USB charger to my computer, and a 2.1amp charger in the car.
Sfkn2 said:
As previous poster said, do not go under 1.2amp.
I run the OEM charger in my bed room, a USB charger to my computer, and a 2.1amp charger in the car.
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Why do you say not to go under 1.2A? Charging from a laptop is at .5A. I've been using a 1A charger since day one. Haven't experienced any issues with it.
Charging at a lower amperage shouldn't hurt anything, just charge slower. All you have to do is make sure it's a 5V charger. Amperage shouldn't matter but a lower amp charger will charge slower. As for a higher amp charger, the phone will only draw the amount of power it needs to charge so using 2A charger won't hurt anything either.
Also 2mA is 0.002A not 0.02 A
wilsonlam97 said:
You can use any charger up to 2 amps.
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Since the charger doesn't actually regulate the charging itself (the phone does this) it doesn't matter how many amps it can supply, could be 100 amps, no worries. As long as it is 5V, the phone will draw as many amps as it needs.
Since the supplied charger is 1.2A rated, it's fair to assume that the phone will never actually try to draw any more than that, so there will be no benefit in going higher.
Going for a lower current charger will likely extend the charge time.
I use a 2.1 amp daily without any issues.
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Wow guys!!... thanks all for your answers!!
So, if I understood correctly, the amperage will only affect to the charging time, meaning that by using the Xperia P AC adapter (1,5A) the battery will be charged faster that using the Galaxy S one (0,7A)... right?
Pls allow one last question: a few yeard ago, I think I read in some forums that a slower charging process could help to keep the batteries in the best conditions for a longer time... is this still true with modern batteries??
Again, THANKS all for your help!!
Evergreen74 said:
Wow guys!!... thanks all for your answers!!
So, if I understood correctly, the amperage will only affect to the charging time, meaning that by using the Xperia P AC adapter (1,5A) the battery will be charged faster that using the Galaxy S one (0,7A)... right?
Pls allow one last question: a few yeard ago, I think I read in some forums that a slower charging process could help to keep the batteries in the best conditions for a longer time... is this still true with modern batteries??
Again, THANKS all for your help!!
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Yes, the .7A charger will take a little longer to charge you phone.
On the other answer, I think NO but I'm not as familiar with LiPo batteries. I would venture to say that .7A vs 1.2A (max the phone will draw but I think someone above mentioned it's even less than that when the battery is very low) is not going to make a bit of difference in your battery life.
One thing I do know about LiPo's is you do not trickle charge them. So while plugged in it will charge at the rates mentioned above until full and then it QUITS charging all together. Once the phone discharges the battery to a certain level, it will charge it back up again. Probably at 98-99%.
There may be one other thing to consider when selecting a third party charger. In the Nexus 7, the device looks for pins 2 & 3 (data) of the USB plug to be shorted in order for it to draw full current. If this pins are open (or have a load across them as is the case with iPhone/iPad chargers), the Nexus 7 will assume it is plugged into a computer and limit its draw to 500MA.
Not certain the Nexus 4 behaves the same way but would assume so.
setzer715 said:
Yes, the .7A charger will take a little longer to charge you phone.
On the other answer, I think NO but I'm not as familiar with LiPo batteries. I would venture to say that .7A vs 1.2A (max the phone will draw but I think someone above mentioned it's even less than that when the battery is very low) is not going to make a bit of difference in your battery life.
One thing I do know about LiPo's is you do not trickle charge them. So while plugged in it will charge at the rates mentioned above until full and then it QUITS charging all together. Once the phone discharges the battery to a certain level, it will charge it back up again. Probably at 98-99%.
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setzer715, thanks for the answer... I think I will be using the Xperia P charger at work...
Thanks all for your help!!
I want to make this case clear. According to my Charging log,
Here is some key point.
Nexus 4 Max Draw Rate at Fast Charge Mode is around 800-900mA,
even you use a Charger that rated at 1A (iPhone Tofu), 1.2A (Original),
1.8A (Playbook), 2.1A (iPad).
Fast Charge Mode must be with Charging Cable with 2&3 pin Shorted,
or the charger itself have the 2&3 pin already shorted.
Therefore, 1A is a Sweet spot for getting Charger & Charging Time for
Li-Po/Li-Ion/Ni-MH Batt charging.
If you use under 1A Charger, eg 700mA or 500mA, it will take much longer
to charge the batt but no harm as well. Just too slow only.
The stock charger that came with my phone sucks, I use one from my epic 4g touch (gs2)and it charges much better
DEVICE: Nexus 4
KERNEL: Franco r95
ROM: PROJECT Extinct Life Event
jlear3 said:
The stock charger that came with my phone sucks,
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Why you say so...? What's wrong with it...?
Talon88 said:
Why you say so...? What's wrong with it...?
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Left a phone on a charger all night with a long (10ft) cable and it couldn't even charge the phone over night. I know a 10ft cable will slow things down but my gs2 plug has no problem charging my phone. Search around and you'll find a few fail stories about the stock LG charger.
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My nexus 7 has been plugged in since 7 hours and still is just 70 % . using official asus wall charger rated 2.1 A . stock rom rooted device
Problem has been persisting since many days now . usually charges at this rate only ! While at 4.1 it used to be fine but now at 4.2.2 charges this slowly . please help..!
Here you go.
Please correct me if I'm wrong... I've had a quick look through a few of those threads and it seems as if there is no real solution? The charger that the tablet comes with takes many hours to charge the device fully?
Ridiculous! I hate that while I am using the tablet when its charging the battery still goes down (despite being plugged in)!
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- you could have a bad battery
- you could have a bad charger
- you could have a bad cable
- you could have a variable amount of power drawn by an active device - which depends on what apps you have installed, your screen settings, kernels used etc cetera. (read : VARIABLE)
- you could be trying to charge the device via a USB port, which provides only 500mA of current - less power than the device uses in certain screen-on scenarios (esp. the 3G model)
Until you run tests which are meant to discriminate between these different scenarios, you will be just wandering around in the dark.
So try this - run the battery down through normal usage (not too far though) - say to 10%.
Then, turn the tablet off (not just the screen, I mean powered completely off).
Then charge it (on the 2A AC charger!) for about 75 minutes. Boot it up and see what the battery charge state is. Then, power it off completely again and charge it more (on the 2A AC charger!) for another 75 minutes. The first 75 minutes should bring it to somewhere around 50% charge, and the 2nd should be enough to bring it to 100% charge.
My (December '12) N7 charges from about 4% to 100% in 150 minutes (2.5 hrs) when it is on the A/C charger. That seems pretty reasonable, as 4.325 A-h / 2.5 hrs = 1.73 Amps.
By the same simple maths, a 500-mA current limit (e.g. USB hub/computer port) should take 8.7 hours to charge the N7 - even when it is completely turned off! And if you are using the device in this scenario, it might not charge at all!
This will at least tell you if there is a problem with the battery, charger, or cable. If it takes too long to charge when there's no software running, then the problem can not be software, right? (There's no software running with the device powered off.)
If it turns out that the battery/charger/cable seems OK in the above test, then the next thing to do is to determine what you have done to the stock configuration (in the way of adding apps, whatever). It's easy to say "4.2.x did this to me" or "4.1.x was so much better", but there does not seem to really be any compelling evidence coming from a majority of users that this is true.
I don't deny that people experience battery troubles; otoh, I'd wager that the root-cause of 95% of the trouble falls into two basic classes: defective hardware (incl. worn-out batteries and/or loose battery terminals), and user-caused software additions/changes.
good luck
I've had experience with 3 models that all three had power issues. Reconnecting the battery cable solved it for me, but in my case the N7 went 'dead' on me, didnt notice slow charging times. Disconnecting the battery cable for 30s then reconnecting and powering up solved the problem for me. Left me thinking their battery hardware assembly is very flawed. Or my local store has had a bad batch.
I found this movie helpful with the unhooking of the connector (at around 3:30)
http://youtu.be/bjh0H6SZHRM?t=3m23s
Many thanks for that response. I will try out for sure.
My nexus device has stock ROM (not rooted) so I hope its a charger issue. Then the issue will go away quickly by replacing the charger.
Thanks again.
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Repoman123 said:
Many thanks for that response. I will try out for sure.
My nexus device has stock ROM (not rooted) so I hope its a charger issue. Then the issue will go away quickly by replacing the charger.
Thanks again.
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if you have a phone or other deive that has the same usb connection try that, my samsung charger charges my nexus in 3hrs :laugh:
chismay said:
if you have a phone or other deive that has the same usb connection try that, my samsung charger charges my nexus in 3hrs :laugh:
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Yeh it occurred to me today that I can use my HTC phone charger or my wife's blackberry charger and see how I get on.
Am I correct in saying that if the tablet still takes long to charge with those chargers then its an issue with the tablet?
Many thanks
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bftb0 said:
- you could have a bad battery
- you could have a bad charger
- you could have a bad cable
- you could have a variable amount of power drawn by an active device - which depends on what apps you have installed, your screen settings, kernels used etc cetera. (read : VARIABLE)
- you could be trying to charge the device via a USB port, which provides only 500mA of current - less power than the device uses in certain screen-on scenarios (esp. the 3G model)
Until you run tests which are meant to discriminate between these different scenarios, you will be just wandering around in the dark.
So try this - run the battery down through normal usage (not too far though) - say to 10%.
Then, turn the tablet off (not just the screen, I mean powered completely off).
Then charge it (on the 2A AC charger!) for about 75 minutes. Boot it up and see what the battery charge state is. Then, power it off completely again and charge it more (on the 2A AC charger!) for another 75 minutes. The first 75 minutes should bring it to somewhere around 50% charge, and the 2nd should be enough to bring it to 100% charge.
My (December '12) N7 charges from about 4% to 100% in 150 minutes (2.5 hrs) when it is on the A/C charger. That seems pretty reasonable, as 4.325 A-h / 2.5 hrs = 1.73 Amps.
By the same simple maths, a 500-mA current limit (e.g. USB hub/computer port) should take 8.7 hours to charge the N7 - even when it is completely turned off! And if you are using the device in this scenario, it might not charge at all!
This will at least tell you if there is a problem with the battery, charger, or cable. If it takes too long to charge when there's no software running, then the problem can not be software, right? (There's no software running with the device powered off.)
If it turns out that the battery/charger/cable seems OK in the above test, then the next thing to do is to determine what you have done to the stock configuration (in the way of adding apps, whatever). It's easy to say "4.2.x did this to me" or "4.1.x was so much better", but there does not seem to really be any compelling evidence coming from a majority of users that this is true.
I don't deny that people experience battery troubles; otoh, I'd wager that the root-cause of 95% of the trouble falls into two basic classes: defective hardware (incl. worn-out batteries and/or loose battery terminals), and user-caused software additions/changes.
good luck
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tried out charging it up from 10 % to 50 % .. took around 3 hours !
similar observations while charging till 100% ..
It turns out that the charger may be faulty . I'll have try out other chargers. The problem is that I am here in india and made my relative bring it for me from the U.S. . I can't find any trusted chargers here . I'll try charging it with the other Sony charger I have (rated at 850 mah ) and compare the relative results . Thanks for the info anyways !
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I'll try charging it with the other Sony charger I have (rated at 850 mah ) and compare the relative results.
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850 mA is going to charge pretty slowly also. Appearances (simple maths, A-h = Amps * hours) are that to get a 2.5-hour charge (4% to 100%) you are going to need a 2000 mA (2 A) charger.
As I said before, not accounting for losses the 4.325 A-h capacity of the battery works out to 1.73 Amps for 150 minutes. But probably due to losses the current is in fact higher - perhaps very close to the 2A limit of the US OEM A/C charger.
good luck
AW: nexus 7 charging awfully slowly !
This could be the solution:
It seems that the charger marked as 2amp is only 1amp: see this[first result googling <nexus7 battery charge slow>]:
plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z12pjzqhrnvbcjvhs04cd5gbiz3wg5eqqjg
(Sorry, but im not yet allowed to post URLs, so copy the link into your Browser)
Otherwise, i have the prob that my n7 needs about 20 hours to get fully charged via AC and the charge even decreases if i use the tablet. Has anyone an idea what to do?
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OK I've tried different chargers and different locations but still no luck. My n7 takes about 8 hours for a full charge and if I use it while its charging the battery still decreases. Bizarre!
I'm concluding that this is an issue with my tablet? Do u guys agree? Should my next step be to contact Google?
Thanks again in advance
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Same problem here ! Apparently it seems like there's no solution of it .
ynrozturk said:
Here you go.
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I have tried to find a worked solution for slow charging but no hope.
I have posted a thread to post my case: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2126185
After posting that thread, no help worked! So i came to ASUS to replace the mainboard and it charged normaly again (3 hours to 100%) but no for long, now with turning-off Nexus 7, it takes me sometimes 6 hours, 7 hours, 17 hours to charge....
It happened not only on my device, but a lot of devices of tinhte.vn members.
Hardware issues? I hope I don't need to change my mainboard again...
Get a new charger at amazon....the one with the most highest reviews....now my nexus charges blazing fast....the oem one is garbage
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I would agree.. charging is very slow for me thru the oem charger. Utter bull crap. Battery % decreases when I use it while charging.
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akshat.shenoy said:
I would agree.. charging is very slow for me thru the oem charger. Utter bull crap. Battery % decreases when I use it while charging.
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I use an OEM charger - no problems.
I suppose that Asus could be multi-sourcing them from a variety of suppliers though, and that could account for different experience.
(Either that or something worse - funny business in Asus' supply chain or in the retail sales chain. There seems to no limit the amount of counterfeit electronics from the pacific rim and batteries & charger hardware seem like a likely place for that kind of activity).
GabrielOspina said:
Get a new charger at amazon....the one with the most highest reviews....now my nexus charges blazing fast....the oem one is garbage
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Did you have the same issue before you got that new charger off amazon then?
Can you please share the link to the charger?
Many thanks!
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Go to battery menu and make sure it's actually charging in AC mode, I don't like the USB port on this tablet
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STLset said:
Go to battery menu and make sure it's actually charging in AC mode, I don't like the USB port on this tablet
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How exactly do I do this? Many thanks.
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