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Hey everyone,
I am on the fence with these two excellent machines.
I've had 10.1 tablets in the past including the iPads, but found them too be a bit cumbersome.
What's your guys' take on:
Display quality between the two?
Exynos vs Tegra?
Keeping in mind that the tablets will be used for:
pdf manipulation
music
light video use
web
email
Thanks in advance
petesavva said:
Hey everyone,
I am on the fence with these two excellent machines.
I've had 10.1 tablets in the past including the iPads, but found them too be a bit cumbersome.
What's your guys' take on:
Display quality between the two?
Exynos vs Tegra?
Keeping in mind that the tablets will be used for:
pdf manipulation
music
light video use
web
email
Thanks in advance
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This...has been repeatedly discussed so I'll be brief. Tegra has a weird lag when in landscape (8.9 issue), Exynos does not. Display quality, if you googled the 8.9 and 7 specifications you would notice the 8.9 has more resolution than the 7 model. Today's tablets are very capable and fast for those functions you listed.
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thanks for the reply.
i've been researching the last few days, but after a while it all starts to look the same, that's why i asked....
In terms of raw power, any dual cor eprocessor will handle the BASIC tasks you are looking to do
In terms of Phones Exynos looks faster but i don't know how that compares to tablets
For gaming, Tablet games are more often then not optimized for the Tegra 2 platform, TegraZone games make the most out of the processor and they looks phenominal. I don't know how well Exynos does gaming on a tablet
8.9 has a higher resolution which makes videos much easier. Also the speakers on the 8.9 are really good fo a tablet. I am not picky on audio but i use it when i play Oblivion and it overpowers the tv half the time
I think the larger screen is beneficial for internet browsing. I would definitely try them both out for usability i.e. screen size and weight to see if the $70 price difference is worth going for the larger one. Personally the 8.9's size of a hardback book is perfect.
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thanks for the reply.
i've been researching the last few days, but after a while it all starts to look the same, that's why i asked....
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The 7+ has a MicroSD slot, whereas the 8.9 does not. Besides that, it is the same beast in a different shell size. In the end it is up to you. Consider the screen resolution, portability and the size and possibly the MicroSD slot in your case. For me and my small hands 8.9 is the perfect balance, but for bigger hands, some may prefer the 10.1 for example.
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Thanks for all the replies.
I just came back from BB. Played with both machines and I have to say that the 8.9 fits my bill better.
The 7+ is great too, but it was just too small.
Thanks again!!!
I've had both.. the old 7 and the new 8.9 and I definitely like the little larger screen.. I would say the only physical improvement I could see for the 8.9 would be a little different aspect ratio.. towards the ipad.
I have the original GT7 and I just got the 8.9. While I do like the new GT, I really wish that the 7.7 was out - that sounds like the perfect tablet for my needs...
8.9
8.9 it is! i've been playing with both 7+ and 8.9 and really like the larger one.
I wonder when ICS will come for it....
Thanks for all the replies
I'm trying them both out myself. I guess the 7in. form works for some, what with the new Fire getting the press (this is far superior to that not surprisingly!), but with this resolution it just doesn't fit my needs between a tablet and phone. I kept reading in reviews how much faster than the other tabs it was but really what I'm noticing is the increased heat you feel when its zipping along. The remote software is legitimately cool though, easy to set up, nicely designed and a pleasure to use.
The 8.9 is a definite keeper. Especially with the new Overcome kernel. It's the most beautiful android tablet I've ever used, even more comfortable and light than the iPad. I can't believe how nice the design is, I really hope the 8.9 form factor sticks with Samsung.
One important point though: Tegra 2 absolutely blows at playing HD video unless transcoded properly. This is a huge flaw with most Honeycomb tablets IMO. The 7 Plus eats any video you throw at it since it doesn't have that mediocre processor.
Can I use peel remote software from gtab 7 plus on gtab 8.9?where can I get it?
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No, as 8.9 does not have an IR port.
I've had a 7" inch HTC Flyer myself, I found it too small ( that and the screen sucks as does HTC support, but that's another discussion I guess)
I have the 8.9 now, and I love it (especially for reading, and annotating docs)
I was stuck trying to decide between the two.. I love a 7" form factor.. but I was disappointed with the 1024x600 resolution on the 7".. Loved the pixel density and ability to fit a lot more content on the 8.9".. but the 4210 Exynos SOC inside the 7 plus is night and day clock for clock against the Tegra2.
I ended up with the 7 Plus .. Best Buy has a return policy until mid-Jan (holiday return policy) so if I change my mind or some other Tablet meets my needs better I can always exchange.
The 7 Plus' hardware will provide more future proofing than Tegra2 in the long run. The Galaxy Tab 7.7 hits a home run in all aspects.. An even faster clocked 4210 at 1.4ghz.. The higher resolution 1280x800, and more pixel density due to the 7.7 screen size over a 8.9".. Not to mention the even more battery efficient Super AMOLED+ display. Otherwise, you also get a LIGHTER tablet and BIGGER battery capacity in the 7.7.
I'll definately be upgrading to it when it comes out. For now, the 7+ remains the fastest OUT-OF-THE-BOX Honeycomb tablet in existence.
Even overclocked Tegra2's can barely keep up with a 1.2ghz 4210.
I just wish there was development going on for the 7+. It's nearly non-existent because the 7+ is a stepping stone to bigger and better things (Tegra3 and faster Exynos) ... that said, a lot of people are just holding out for the next generation of tablets.
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any news on the 7.7? i thought samsung was supposed to have a press release on the 7.7 today...
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any news on the 7.7? i thought samsung was supposed to have a press release on the 7.7 today...
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It's out overseas.. but not in the U.S. yet... unfortunately =( I want to get my hands on one.
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europe or asia?
not that it's worth it with the exchange rate nowadays....
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europe or asia?
not that it's worth it with the exchange rate nowadays....
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Europe for sure.. not sure about the rest... There's a lot of English blokes talking about their 7.7 here and there.
So I currently own:
iPad 2- love the fact its so fluid
G-Note 5.3- Slow and I find the s-pen is not accurate off by 1/8 on an inch but loved the idea.
SGIII- Traded my Note for a SGIII and love the speed.
Previously owned:
SG 10.1- Returned felt Gingerbread is too slow and laggy. Just doesn't have the smooth of iPad.
Moto Zoom 10.1- Returned for the above reason as well.
As you can see I WANT an Android tablet but frankly they just have been as fluid as IOS. So anyone coming from the iPad to the Note 10.1. Since I never had the retina display I think I can safely give it up but I want fluid. And I want the S-pen but I want it accurate and responsive like paper.
So thoughts and opinions.
Just go down to your local brick and mortar and play with one for an hour and decide for yourself. Or, if you're incapable of deciding for yourself then head down to the Apple retail store and the geniuses will happily tell you what to buy.
S Pen is very accurate (I haven't seen anyone complain about it being off a little) and very responsive.
It's as not fluid as an iPad, but should be fluid enough. I actually returned Asus Transformer Infinity before buying this one, and I can say that Note 10.1 is ten time more fluid than Transformer Infinity. It addition, with Jelly Bean (with Project Butter) update coming within this year it will be much better. I don't think you will feel like you need Jelly Bean though because it already works smoothly as is.
Coming from iPad 2, the screen will look amazing with higher resolution. However, if fluidity is your priority, iPad is probably the best choice. But I have a feeling that you will be happy with this device.
My wife was fed up with her iPad 2 (it was free, though, a business gift) . When I had my SGN10.1 she played around with it for 1hr , got in her car and went to buy her own SGN10.1 ....... :good:
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So I currently own:
iPad 2- love the fact its so fluid
G-Note 5.3- Slow and I find the s-pen is not accurate off by 1/8 on an inch but loved the idea.
SGIII- Traded my Note for a SGIII and love the speed.
Previously owned:
SG 10.1- Returned felt Gingerbread is too slow and laggy. Just doesn't have the smooth of iPad.
Moto Zoom 10.1- Returned for the above reason as well.
As you can see I WANT an Android tablet but frankly they just have been as fluid as IOS. So anyone coming from the iPad to the Note 10.1. Since I never had the retina display I think I can safely give it up but I want fluid. And I want the S-pen but I want it accurate and responsive like paper.
So thoughts and opinions.
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Gingerbread??? Tab 10.1 was Honeycomb... That said it had a Tegra2, Tegras are notorious for being first on the market to bump up core count but horrendously poor performance per core, and oddly, some of the worst GPU performance which is odd considering that NVidia is a GPU company.
If you're happy with the I9300, you should be happy with the N80xx - Same resolution and exact same CPU/GPU.
In addition, once Jellybean hits, UI performance should be significantly improved... Assuming Samsung doesn't dork it up. Might want to look at how the I9300 Jellybean leak is performing.
Thank you all for the replies. And I stand corrected the original 10.1 was Honeycomb. I guess I will make the trip and give one a shot.
Earthdog said:
Thank you all for the replies. And I stand corrected the original 10.1 was Honeycomb. I guess I will make the trip and give one a shot.
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Just return my Asus TF700 and bought my second Note(first one went to U of Iowa with my daughter) and couldn't be happier.
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This is not a hard choice. The iPad is a very different device if your into pen. If the question is about the pen being solid, it's solid.
Feel secure that your getting good pen from this.
I came from the iPad. I've been trying to switch to Android for over a year. Of the half dozen Android tablets I've tried, the Note 10.1 is my switching device. Don't get me wrong, I'm keeping the iPad mostly because my daughter uses it for some games and secondly because there are some games I like that Android doesn't have (Kingdom Rush!).
So yeah, my retina iPad has been reduced to sloppy seconds.
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I just sold my (New) iPad and i want to switch to an Android tab, what i don't like about the Note 10.1 is the low resolution it dould of made my choice easier if it had a full HD screen, now i'm torn between the Infinity and the Note 10.1 is de res really bad on the Note in comparision with the Infinity or New iPad?
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Mafiatounes said:
I just sold my (New) iPad and i want to switch to an Android tab, what i don't like about the Note 10.1 is the low resolution it dould of made my choice easier if it had a full HD screen, now i'm torn between the Infinity and the Note 10.1 is de res really bad on the Note in comparision with the Infinity or New iPad?
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I don't notice the reduced resolution at all - and as others have pointed out, excessive resolution causes problems. UI performance on Infinity, battery performance (the new iPad requires around 50% more battery capacity to achieve the same runtime) for iPad. This means the new iPad takes longer to charge and is heavier.
iPad and Infinity - making compromises for spec epeen and marketing
Note 10.1 - proper systems engineering, acknowledging that the benefits of a higher resolution display beyond 1280x800 (or was it 720?) are far less than the costs (need for much higher GPU fill rates, which means either worse framerates or more battery consumption).
I had the iPad1 the day it came out, and the iPad2 when it came out. The only reason I bought either tablet was that I wanted to use it for taking notes (without needing pen and paper) and reading PDF's (in a more natural way than on a laptop), and they only did one of those things. I sold my iPad2 a few months ago, and have just now picked up the Note 10.1. Me like!
The build quality is a little lower than I've been used to with the iPad, but feels acceptable in the hand.
The note-taking software is a little rough around the edges, as if Samsung doesn't realize they can tap into a HUGE education market with it.
In terms of taking notes in class, it's everything I ever hoped for -- the digitizer is very accurate, super rarely messes up.
Lack of high-res screen is disappointing, but it still looks a lot better than my iPad ever did!
The whole point of the Note 10.1 is taking notes and drawing. Hopefully Samsung will realize this at some point and polish up the rough edges and market it for education, ie. taking notes in class, but 'til then it's a fine tablet as is.
Entropy512 said:
I don't notice the reduced resolution at all - and as others have pointed out, excessive resolution causes problems. UI performance on Infinity, battery performance (the new iPad requires around 50% more battery capacity to achieve the same runtime) for iPad. This means the new iPad takes longer to charge and is heavier.
iPad and Infinity - making compromises for spec epeen and marketing
Note 10.1 - proper systems engineering, acknowledging that the benefits of a higher resolution display beyond 1280x800 (or was it 720?) are far less than the costs (need for much higher GPU fill rates, which means either worse framerates or more battery consumption).
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Thanks for your reply, i will try to go to the store this week and test both of them and i will leave with one of them.
From what i have read, i think these are the main differences between the two.
Note 10.1
Likes- DAC, Speakers orientation, CPU/GPU/RAM, Design, S-Pen.
Dislikes- Screen resolution (I will try this at the store with websites and videos)
TF700 Infinity
Likes- Full HD res, Tegra 3 Gaming, Design, Dock, Stock Android.
Dislikes- Laggy performance/ I/O performance, Not so loud mono speaker with bad orientation, Build quality issues.
Mafiatounes said:
Thanks for your reply, i will try to go to the store this week and test both of them and i will leave with one of them.
From what i have read, i think these are the main differences between the two.
Note 10.1
Likes- DAC, Speakers orientation, CPU/GPU/RAM, Design, S-Pen.
Dislikes- Screen resolution (I will try this at the store with websites and videos)
TF700 Infinity
Likes- Full HD res, Tegra 3 Gaming, Design, Dock, Stock Android.
Dislikes- Laggy performance/ I/O performance, Not so loud mono speaker with bad orientation, Build quality issues.
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With regards to the Screen resolution, I am very happy with it, maybe there are only a few users who genuinely dislike the display and others are just repeating what they have heard from other reviews.
Not sure if you will be fully able to test both machines in store for finding defects etc unless they are blatantly obvious as I have been using an Asus TF101 prior to the note and the defects usually show days/months later on the machines. I had to RMA my Asus once during its warranty period but I collected the faults over time and had them repaired in one visit, one speaker stopped working, battery drained very quickly and when it stopped charging I had to send it back.
I have not owned a Samsung tablet but have owned a few of their phones and currently own the phone version of the Note which I also love however it has not always been good. Previously owned their first galaxy S phone and had nothing but problems with it and the GPS issue was never really resolved on the phone which was poor even after updates. Samsung tend to release too many products too soon after the launch of a new product making the previous model obsolete and support/updates used to be very slow. Based on the above issues I moved back to HTC phones and am back now again to Samsung but this time it seems that they are focusing on quality and their latest product, the Note 10.1 really does seem to tick all the right boxes for for now....
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With regards to the Screen resolution, I am very happy with it, maybe there are only a few users who genuinely dislike the display and others are just repeating what they have heard from other reviews.
Not sure if you will be fully able to test both machines in store for finding defects etc unless they are blatantly obvious as I have been using an Asus TF101 prior to the note and the defects usually show days/months later on the machines. I had to RMA my Asus once during its warranty period but I collected the faults over time and had them repaired in one visit, one speaker stopped working, battery drained very quickly and when it stopped charging I had to send it back.
I have not owned a Samsung tablet but have owned a few of their phones and currently own the phone version of the Note which I also love however it has not always been good. Previously owned their first galaxy S phone and had nothing but problems with it and the GPS issue was never really resolved on the phone which was poor even after updates. Samsung tend to release too many products too soon after the launch of a new product making the previous model obsolete and support/updates used to be very slow. Based on the above issues I moved back to HTC phones and am back now again to Samsung but this time it seems that they are focusing on quality and their latest product, the Note 10.1 really does seem to tick all the right boxes for for now....
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I know some people yell about specs that they only heard about without knowing what it adds, but it is not in my case, i usually browse a lot and i also hate seeing big pixels like for example on the iPad 2, this is what i liked about the New iPad the browsing experience was quitte good (with Chrome) and i could not see any pixels in normal use. That is why it will be the most important for me on a tablet.
I've had a lot of experience with Samsung and HTC in the past and it was the same as you HTC was a master, but if the Note 10.1 resembles the S3 that i own now than it will be the tab to beat. Samsung improved a lot since the Galaxy S in terms of software implementation and support at least this is what i experience now on my S3.
The only time you will notice the resolution difference with the Note is if you are trying to read really tiny text. Othewise this screen looks totally amazing.
That being said it all comes down to the s-pen. If you want a pen get the Note, if not get the ipad.
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Just read this article. When do you expect the Galaxy Note Pro 12.2 be available on sale? I am considering to buy the Galaxy 10.1 2014 this month but if the Pro will be available in two months, perhaps I should wait.
http://www.thenewstribe.com/2013/12/23/samsung-galaxy-note-pro-leaks-in-new-image/
I am looking forward to this tablet as well will buy it as soon as it is out and then decide which note I will keep
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As much as they sell the 10.1 for I'm thinking the 12.2 will cost more than any android tablet should ever sell for.
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I'm sure it will be gorgeous, but at 12.2" aren't we moving into laptop territory? I think if I'm going to carry around something that big, it might has well have a real keyboard of sorts, like a 11" macbook air.
I thought I would want this, but using the 10.1 2014 edition, I can't possibly have anything else. It's the perfect size.
Yeah, you also have to wonder what the battery life will be like. I don't think I would gain anything from a 12" tablet that isn't running Windows. Also, it better have some kind of quick charge going on. Charge time on the 2014 is brutal.
Steve
From the info posted on the web, it seems that while the battery is larger (for the larger display), the CPU and RAM are the same as the 10.1 2014. Could this mean there might be more lag? Why doesn't Samsung allow us to change the battery like the Note 1-3?
While samsung don't make 4:3 ratio tablet at all, 12.2 or 13.3 tablet may be better.
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From the info posted on the web, it seems that while the battery is larger (for the larger display), the CPU and RAM are the same as the 10.1 2014. Could this mean there might be more lag? Why doesn't Samsung allow us to change the battery like the Note 1-3?
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Screen size is larger but resolution is the same so it wouldn't make a difference as far as lag is concerned, that's only rumoured spec anyhow.
Theres going to be four new tablets from samsung all rumoured to be out before March at the latest, with the 12.2 being one of the first released.
In that case, perhaps I should hold the purchase for the Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 and upgrade my Note 2 to Note 3.
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While samsung don't make 4:3 ratio tablet at all, 12.2 or 13.3 tablet may be better.
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Good point. I'd rather see a 4:3 10" Android-powered tablet than a 12.2 or a 12.3 that is 16:10 or (eww) 16:9. It is frustrating that the only decent 4:3 tablet is the iPad (although HP did just come out with the HP Slate Pro 8, but the specs on that are pretty weak).
So if they Samsung is releasing a 12.2'' Note , the prices for Note 10.1 might come down aswell, if so i will just return mine and wait. _P
Anicane said:
So if they Samsung is releasing a 12.2'' Note , the prices for Note 10.1 might come down aswell, if so i will just return mine and wait. _P
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Highly doubtful. More likely is the price of the 12.2 will be noticeably higher. I use my 10.1 for entertainment when traveling and to get light productivity work done so I don't have to schlep my notebook with me all the time. At least to me, 12.2" is just way too big and defeats the portability benefit of a tablet. You've got to give Samsung credit though for leaving no niche unexploited.
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Highly doubtful. More likely is the price of the 12.2 will be noticeably higher. I use my 10.1 for entertainment when traveling and to get light productivity work done so I don't have to schlep my notebook with me all the time. At least to me, 12.2" is just way too big and defeats the portability benefit of a tablet. You've got to give Samsung credit though for leaving no niche unexploited.
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I agree, it'll most likely be more expensive, might as well buy a laptop or surface pro and be more productive.
I want one of these just because it's bigger, but there are just too many drawbacks. With the increase in screen size (which is substantial), there is a significant increase in weight and price with a drop in ppi
It's rumored to be 750g, which is actually only 3 oz heavier than an iPad 4, which actually isn't that bad considering the size.
I use my Note 10.1 while travelling. I take notes at clients sites, and I use t for reading and gaming in the airports. Even the 10" can get a little heavy for holding when reading, so I don't think I would want the additional weight of a larger tablet. For travellers weight is the enemy. I like a decent sized screen, but I have to balance that with weight.
A couple months ago I would have also gravitated toward the 12 - inch tablet. However, seeing the lower sales numbers for this device, due to the high price and how it has suppressed the development of custom ROMs, I have changed my perspective.
Thanks to Scott for Clean ROM, and finally breaking the log jam.
I cannot imagine the weight difference being noticeable in the long run, if you get the big dog.
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What's funny is the 7-8" crowd thinks we're all nuts for having a 10" tablet. Different strokes.
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I'm sure it will be gorgeous, but at 12.2" aren't we moving into laptop territory? I think if I'm going to carry around something that big, it might has well have a real keyboard of sorts, like a 11" macbook air.
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My exact thoughts.
Sent from my freekin huge Note 10.1 ?
I own the Nexus 10 (same screen size and resolution of SGN 10.1 2014) and an HP TM2 12.2 hybrid tablet/notebook. The HP can be used either as a tablet with pen or by rotating the screen it can be used as a touch notebook. Comparing the 10.1" screen to the 12.2" screen; the 12.2" is significantly larger. I use my tablet for web browsing and while the 10.1" does a nice job, the 12.2 is much less fatiguing to use. You wouldn't realize this unless you could switch from one to the other and directly compare them. But since the Nexus 10 is much more convenient to handle, it is my go to tablet right now.
I'm definitely going to pickup the PRO when it is introduced and compare it directly to the Nexus 10 for daily use. I will either go with the PRO or the SGN 10.1 2014. Because of the pretty drastic difference in size, I think it will not take long to develop a clear preference in actual use. The PRO may be to big ... or maybe not.
Many people felt the SG Note was too big to be used as a phone, but I have really enjoyed my Note 2 and now my Note 3. When I switch to smaller phones they seem seriously inconvenient to use.
I picked a 32GB Note 10.1 2014 Edition. Picked it up because I used to have the original note. I wasn't sure if I should have purchased the tab pro instead.
So you guys have an opinion?
I like the s pen but I don't need it.
Thanks guys
Tab Pro is newer
S-Pen is critical when I need to use it
I see SS will use Super Amoled on new Tab/NotePro line up in late 2014
It's almost the same tablet, same SoC, screen and (almost) the same body. The only hardware difference I found was whether or not the S-Pen is included.
All about the S-pen
If you like handwriting recognition, then you need the note. If you never use the S-pen, then what is the point? Individual decision based on useage case mate.
le0.br4zuc4 said:
I picked a 32GB Note 10.1 2014 Edition. Picked it up because I used to have the original note. I wasn't sure if I should have purchased the tab pro instead.
So you guys have an opinion?
I like the s pen but I don't need it.
Thanks guys
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If you like handwriting recognition, then you need the note. If you never use the S-pen, then what is the point? Individual decision based on useage case mate.
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I've played with a couple of N12's and after the 4.4 update the N10.1-14 is faster. M-UX apparently uses a boat load of resources. When M-UX was first announced I was excited because it appeared to be thorough enough to be an alternate UI. It ended up being My Magazine de-constructed and on steroids and takes up a mandatory home page. For those that appeals to it's a potential plus. I'm glad we didn't get it because I like how my home pages are laid out. Don't forget the Tab Pro 10 only has 2GB of RAM. That may or may not be a big deal depending on how much RAM the active digitizer and S Pen/Note use. Speaking of the display it's not the same as ours because it's a standard conductive display. I have no idea what that translates in to performance wise. One benefit the Tab Pro 10 has is that it's newer and shares s/w with the other Pros. For all we know 4.4 may be our last update.
And how does it compare with the note 10.1 2014 edition?
I really love the S pen. Its so useful
Love it cause its a digitizer
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And how does it compare with the note 10.1 2014 edition?
I really love the S pen. Its so useful
Love it cause its a digitizer
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I was thinking of getting one, but only difference is the screen.......I won't get the tab S now..No root exploit anymore..Note is far better.
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My wife has the Tab S. It's an excellent tablet, very comparable (or better) than than the Note 10.1 2014 in terms of most of the specs and (real world) performance. I say "real world" because I do realize that the Tab S is a significant upgrade in some of the specs, but in my real world use of both tablets I haven't really noticed the Tab S being mindblowingly superior to the Note 10.1 2014.
It is a perfect tablet for my wife, but I still need/want the S-pen and root, so the Note 10.1 2014 is the better tablet for me. My wife also got the Tab 4 10.1 to use an eReader while exercising (didn't want to trash her Tab S at the gym). The Tab 4 is a nice tablet, too, but I put the Note 10.1 2014 and Tab S as fairly equal, but the Tab 4 is several notches below both of those overall.
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My wife has the Tab S. It's an excellent tablet, very comparable (or better) than than the Note 10.1 2014 in terms of most of the specs and (real world) performance. I say "real world" because I do realize that the Tab S is a significant upgrade in some of the specs, but in my real world use of both tablets I haven't really noticed the Tab S being mindblowingly superior to the Note 10.1 2014.
It is a perfect tablet for my wife, but I still need/want the S-pen and root, so the Note 10.1 2014 is the better tablet for me. My wife also got the Tab 4 10.1 to use an eReader while exercising (didn't want to trash her Tab S at the gym). The Tab 4 is a nice tablet, too, but I put the Note 10.1 2014 and Tab S as fairly equal, but the Tab 4 is several notches below both of those overall.
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You won't notice.it has the same specs as 2014 tab..same processor, etc....It's not worth $500 for a Amoled screen.
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I have both actually but gave the Note to my girlfriend and kept the Tab S.
I've always liked Samsung Amoled screens so that was the main reason I switched.
The note part wasn't as important in my decision when I intially purchased and I rarely used it.
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You won't notice.it has the same specs as 2014 tab..same processor, etc....It's not worth $500 for a Amoled screen.
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I noticed a difference. Again, not mindblowing, but there is a difference. The processor in the Tab S is an octacore processor versus a quadcore, so they're not the same processor. The Tab S is also thinner, lighter, and comes with a lot more new TouchWiz bells & whistles that the Note 10.1 2014 does not have even after the Kitkat update. The Amoled screen is being reviewed as arguably the best tablet screen available. And considering what I paid for my Note 10.1 2014 right after it was released, $500 is a steal for a tablet that's actually slightly better.
All that being said, if you're like me, then you bought the Note 10.1 2014 for a reason -- particularly the Note features. Otherwise I would most definitely own the Tab S.
Yeah the tab S is the later model to the note 10.1 2014 edition.
I was just thinking of purchasing it too, mainly cause I see it advertised
But I've rooted my device and you guys say that the tab S cant be rooted?
Cause it hasn't been done yet?
internetpilot said:
The processor in the Tab S is an octacore processor versus a quadcore, so they're not the same processor.
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The S' use S-800/Adreno 330 and Exynos 5420/Mali T604 just like all of Samsung's high-end tablets (Note 10.1-14, Pro's). The only difference being earlier 10+" LTE tablets all got S-800 while with the majority of S' are Exynos/LTE. The U.S. carrier S' still use S-800 and there may be other isolated examples too.
The Tab S is also thinner, lighter
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And bigger.
And comes with a lot more new TouchWiz bells & whistles that the Note 10.1 2014 does not have even after the Kitkat update.
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M-UX is the only thing fundamentally different. Everything else works exactly the same but has a fresher interface, darker interface to help AMOLED battery life, or both. There are dozens of pages in the S forums complaining about lag. Same thing on the Pro forums. 4.4 on the N10.1-14 is pretty much lag free; especially compared to the 4.3 launch s/w. So M-UX is one "bell and whistle" I'm glad we were able to avoid.
The Amoled screen is being reviewed as arguably the best tablet screen available.
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Note's in general are pitched at productivity and creation users. That audience would be miserable with an AMOLED display. It's beautiful for video where it's quite battery efficient but on light colors, like most productivity and creation apps are, people would be crying. The S' battery life on whites would absolutely kill me because that's where I spend the majority of my time.
I have been using the Note 10.1 2014 at work and really like it. Just got a Tab S to play with and it's pretty nice, thought I would hate the bronze color but looks very sophisticated. The Tab S feels much snappier than the Note 10.1 for some reason even though they are both running 4.4.2. I also really like Magazine UX, wish it would come to the Note but being this late in the game seems doubtful. The screen on the Tab S is also BEAUTIFUL, and the tablet does feel lighter. I do like the factory book cover case for the Note better than the one for the Tab S. Honestly I'm torn, I like the Pen on the Note but the snappier feel and Magazine UX has me wanting to switch. I will see how battery life compares before I decide.
Is magazine UX that good? Its interface layout is similar to windows 8 right?
I really like simplicity when its used in note 3 (NOVA). But I can see how that magazine UX interface might work with the tablets
.p.s love the note pro keyboard on my 10.1 2014 EDITION:good:
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Is magazine UX that good? Its interface layout is similar to windows 8 right?
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M-UX was originally supposed to be a complete UI for Samsung's tablets. There were widgets for all of Samsung's apps and most major apps. There was the ability to add a short-cut as a small tile for every app on the device. So you could literally have all your home screens configured using M-UX and in addition to being cleaner and more modern looking it allowed better use of display real estate because widgets were edge-to-edge. None of that happened. Most likely because Google had a stroke. So M-UX ended up being a mandatory home page, has limited widgets for Samsung's apps, and no way to add any type of app short-cuts. And some of the traditional widgets we have are now "M-UX only" which sucks if you like to group your apps and widgets in to like-categories on separate home pages. There's no question that M-UX slows down tablets that use it.
Here's just one of the many threads in the S forum talking about lag. There are a bunch of threads and hundreds of posts. The Pro's have M-UX and there are similar posts. In both forums people coming from a N10.1-14 (on 4.4) complain about the lag on the Pro's and S' in comparison.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-tab-s/general/disappointed-tab-s-t2803856
I'm not a lag freak so would probably get a Tab S if I were a consumption user. The only real benefit of the S over the N10.1-14 is its AMOLED display. It's got a .5" larger display but its dimensions go up proportionately. It's actually got a lower PPI than the N10.1-14 so for reading and browsing in addition to the N10.1-14 having better battery life its got better PPI too. The LCD display on the N10.1-14 is great with few shortcomings and gets far better battery life on whites than the S'. So how big a deal better contrast on dark colors is to you determines how much better an S would be over a N10.1-14. I'm a huge S Pen and productivity user so the S' really aren't an option for me anyway so I have no ax to grind.
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But I've rooted my device and you guys say that the tab S cant be rooted?
Cause it hasn't been done yet?
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I think they are referring to TowelRoot, which can root certain Snapdragon devices WITHOUT tripping the Knox warranty e-fuse.
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The S' use S-800/Adreno 330 and Exynos 5420/Mali T604 just like all of Samsung's high-end tablets (Note 10.1-14, Pro's). The only difference being earlier 10+" LTE tablets all got S-800 while with the majority of S' are Exynos/LTE. The U.S. carrier S' still use S-800 and there may be other isolated examples too.
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The only example I'm talking about is my wife's SM-T800 Galaxy Tab S 10.5, which the official Samsung specs specifically state:
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Exynos™ 5 Octa (1.9Ghz Quadcore + 1.3 Ghz Quadcore)
http://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/galaxy-tab/SM-T800NTSAXAR
My SM-P600 Note 10.1 2014 does not have this processor.
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M-UX is the only thing fundamentally different. Everything else works exactly the same but has a fresher interface, darker interface to help AMOLED battery life, or both. There are dozens of pages in the S forums complaining about lag. Same thing on the Pro forums. 4.4 on the N10.1-14 is pretty much lag free; especially compared to the 4.3 launch s/w. So M-UX is one "bell and whistle" I'm glad we were able to avoid.
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I have spent a lot of time on both devices (physically in-hand), and the interface as a whole, as well as the entire feature set, are significantly different, even the basic "Android" settings menus are organized rather different. M-UX is just one feature in that different interface.
All one has to do is go back to the beginnings of this particular forum, as well as read the Note 10.1 2014 reviews to see all the complaints about lag. At one time that was all that was being discussed on this forum. Dozens of people were returning their devices solely because of lag.
For what it's worth, I never experienced lag on my Note 10.1 2014 or the Tab S.
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Note's in general are pitched at productivity and creation users. That audience would be miserable with an AMOLED display. It's beautiful for video where it's quite battery efficient but on light colors, like most productivity and creation apps are, people would be crying. The S' battery life on whites would absolutely kill me because that's where I spend the majority of my time.
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I'm not miserable with the Tab S's display, and I am predominately a Note 10.1 2014 user (the Tab S is my wife's tablet). She solely uses her Tab S as an eReader and web browser, and her battery lasts longer than my Note 10.1 2014 when used for the same purposes/time.
Again, I really like the note features on my Note 10.1 2014, which is why I still own/use it instead of a Tab S, but in just about every other way, the Tab S is the superior tablet. Not lightyears superior, but still superior.
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My SM-P600 Note 10.1 2014 does not have this processor.
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Yes, it does. The N10.1-14, Pro's, and S' all use either Exynos 5420 or a Snapdragon S-800. No Wi-Fi only version of any of them except for the Pro 8.4 ever used anything but Exynos 5420. The SGS5's "eight core chip" is Exynos 5422 which is a modified version of 5420 with HMP enabled. The "eight core chip" in the Note 4 is 5433 which is even newer. So your SM-P600 Wi-Fi N10.1-14 has the same SoC as every Wi-Fi only Tab S. The SM-P601 (3G) uses the same chip. The SM-P605 (LTE) uses S-800. The only change between the Tab S and earlier tabs is that all of the earlier LTE tablets had S-800 where the majority of LTE S' moved to Exynos 5420. That said, considering they all use identical h/w, run 4.4.2, and have similar Samsung s/w the performance differences people claim really don't make a lot of sense. If anything I tend to believe that people complaining about the Pro's and S' being slower because of M-UX is true because of the additional resources it consumes.
I have the note 10.1. I considered the tab s but I can't live without the ESPN especially now that I found the app MyScript stylus beta
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Dang auto correct, s-pen i meant
ESPN haha .... But I agree ... I have gotton use to the S-pen aswell, would be bizziare having a tablet without it it I reckon :/
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Yes, it does. The N10.1-14, Pro's, and S' all use either Exynos 5420 or a Snapdragon S-800. No Wi-Fi only version of any of them except for the Pro 8.4 ever used anything but Exynos 5420. The SGS5's "eight core chip" is Exynos 5422 which is a modified version of 5420 with HMP enabled. The "eight core chip" in the Note 4 is 5433 which is even newer. So your SM-P600 Wi-Fi N10.1-14 has the same SoC as every Wi-Fi only Tab S. The SM-P601 (3G) uses the same chip. The SM-P605 (LTE) uses S-800. The only change between the Tab S and earlier tabs is that all of the earlier LTE tablets had S-800 where the majority of LTE S' moved to Exynos 5420. That said, considering they all use identical h/w, run 4.4.2, and have similar Samsung s/w the performance differences people claim really don't make a lot of sense. If anything I tend to believe that people complaining about the Pro's and S' being slower because of M-UX is true because of the additional resources it consumes.
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I stand corrected, but I do wish to point out (and know for a fact) that Samsung "corrected" its specs on the Note 10.1 2014, because when it was first released and I was considering buying it, the CPU was listed only as a 1.9 ghz quadcore -- not an Octa and there was no mention of the 1.3ghz quadcore combination in the specs. I came to the Note 10.1 2014 from the dualcore Acer A500, so I found the quadcore an acceptable upgrade. An Octa would've blown my mind.
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I stand corrected..
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No worries. I wasn't trying to prove you wrong but since the topic is a direct comparison against the Tab S I thought the similarities between the two should be known. All Samsung's high-end tablets since the N10.1-14 was released last year are architecturally the same. And with the exception of the N10.1-14 not getting M-UX run near identical s/w too. They also push the exact same number of pixels; the PPI goes up and down depending on physical display size.
The S' really should have at least Exynos 5422 and S-801 or, even better, Exynos 5433 and S-805. I'm guessing Samsung re-used the existing high-end tablet architecture to save on development and build costs. The N10.1-14 is due for a refresh. It'll be interesting to see what direction Samsung goes h/w wise. They've been testing a 10" 4K LCD tablet display and that would need Exynos 5433/S-805. I doubt the next Note will be AMOLED because it's awful on light colors battery wise and Note's are all about productivity and creation where the apps tend to be light colored.