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i don´t find a similar Thread for the One with my Speaker problems. So i start a new one:
I got the following problem:
When i play a Sound with my Phone after 2-3 seconds the Speakers do a "klack" Sound in front of the shut down.
example:
When i press Volumen + or - the Phone plays a Sound, around 2-3 seconds later the Speaker do a "klack".
the problem seems for me similar with the problems the Galaxy Nexus got.
Someone can confirm that?
I get that with my Nexus 4 and almost every other Android phone i have used. I can mostly only hear it if i used some sort of volume boosting mod/app or if i hold my phone close to my ear after a sound is played. I think its normal, but annoying.
Wow, i thought i was the only one. I have the same issue. After playing a sound file (ring tone, music, anything), if you put the speakers to your ear you can hear a shhhh sound, then a "click" which almost sounds like the speakers "turn off". For some reason the same sound sometimes appears when opening a music app (such as HTC Music), as in the speakers get turned on OR some sort of amplifier gets applied. Turning off beats audio doesn't help. I got O2 (germany), 1.27 Stock rom. I'm tempted to try 1.28 custom rom to see if it's a software bug, but i am a bit afraid i might need warranty to get this fixed...
that is the sound of the amp / dac discharging. happens on my one x with and without earphones on
shiningarmor said:
that is the sound of the amp / dac discharging. happens on my one x with and without earphones on
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So it's normal? Can it be turned off or fixed via software?
firaX said:
So it's normal? Can it be turned off or fixed via software?
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i got rid of mine by uninstalling those volume boosting mods
shiningarmor said:
i got rid of mine by uninstalling those volume boosting mods
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I doubt that's possible on stock Rom, is it?
I have it also, not all devices have the problem but HTC is aware of it and working on a fix.
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I doubt that's possible on stock Rom, is it?
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although it does click, but clicking to the point that is audible, i think something is wrong somewhere.. u might as well email htc about it
It's audible in a quiet environment when i have the phone close-ish to my face. Question is whether it's fixable via software update or whether i need hardware fix. I don't really feel like sending it in already...They'd probably say it is within tolerance anyhow.
I just wonder, tons of ppl complain about stuff such as "corner is too sharp, tiny gap etc", why don't more people complain about this noise if it is "normal"?
firaX said:
It's audible in a quiet environment when i have the phone close-ish to my face. Question is whether it's fixable via software update or whether i need hardware fix. I don't really feel like sending it in already...They'd probably say it is within tolerance anyhow.
I just wonder, tons of ppl complain about stuff such as "corner is too sharp, tiny gap etc", why don't more people complain about this noise if it is "normal"?
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I have heard it's fixable by software
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Is it like the click of death heard when a hard drive is about to die? lol! Sorry just curious but don't have my HTC One yet.
You never had a decent amplifier, had you?
It's dedicated amp. All those devices "click" when turned on and off. There's nothing to be fixed, although the sound should be very quiet.
It's like hdd click of death indeed. Sound is quiet but audible.
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It's like hdd click of death indeed. Sound is quiet but audible.
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Like I said, it's an amplifier turning off (and on as well to be precise - but usually this sound is more subtle).
I don't think this is an issue. It's just a fact of life with speakers.
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Like I said, it's an amplifier turning off (and on as well to be precise - but usually this sound is more subtle).
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i already said that. it should not be that loud
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firaX said:
It's audible in a quiet environment when i have the phone close-ish to my face. Question is whether it's fixable via software update or whether i need hardware fix. I don't really feel like sending it in already...They'd probably say it is within tolerance anyhow.
I just wonder, tons of ppl complain about stuff such as "corner is too sharp, tiny gap etc", why don't more people complain about this noise if it is "normal"?
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ah , it shouldnt be that loud too, unless you're using earphones and u hear the click then it's fine. but if hearing it without speakers, i think it is insulated badly. like i said, try emailing htc
My Asus D2X Sound Card for my PC does that, always wondered what it was.
Just after getting my G2 i installed CyanogenMod 10.2 Milestone on it. I started doing some tests to see if CM could be my daily driver, and nothing really seemed to be a deal breaker, except, when i try to record videos (or I'm guessing any other sound recorder) the sound it not really that great. I went back to the stock LG software, and was hoping i only had to stay there until CM fixed the noise cancellation issue. But what do i find, the noise cancellation problem is still there.
I have been looking around here on the XDA forums, (This is my first post btw) and I came across this (what seemed like) amazing mod. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2471900 But it might just be me being a droid-noob (Have only had android for 2 weeks now), but i cant figure out how to get this to work, it even bumps up the quality of pictures and videos including other cool tweaks. I have tried installing the .zip file via CWM, but that gave me nothing, also tried installing the cameraapp.apk the thread provided, but it just refused to install.
So please, if any droid-guru can help me make my microphone sound better, (both in the stock software and in CM) i would appreciate it!
Are you using some cover on the G2 ? If so, try removing it as it might cause disturbance to the reference microphone.
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Are you using some cover on the G2 ? If so, try removing it as it might cause disturbance to the reference microphone.
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I do not have a cover or case, and I know the noise cancellation is software related. My phone is the D802, the one without a rear-facing microphone, maby that can have something to do with it?
I have the same problem witm my lg g2.After I record a video or use voice recorder the sound freezing and the quality is very poor.I thought that I have only my this problem...My phone is not rooted and I have it from yesterday morning.Today I sow this problem.I made a factory reset and the problem is not solved.Is something that I can do with this issue?
so title should be cm10.2 Noise cancellation, lol
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so title should be cm10.2 Noise cancellation, lol
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This is happening on stock, CM and PAC-man roms, so its not just a CM issue.
my bad, you can disable it from dialer however, it might be good reason to return your unit
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my bad, you can disable it from dialer however, it might be good reason to return your unit
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I have thought about that, but I've heard a few other people have this problem as well, and im 99% sure it is software related. Though to every rule there is an exception..
Just some more info. Here is a video i recorded going home from work, and as you can hear the sounds are very "Watery" or "Distorted" as many describe it. (The bad video quality is a combination of my using CM10.2, only recording in 720P and YouTubes bitrate being bad as always)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgdtWzoQkOU&feature=youtu.be
And no, I did NOT cover up any of the microphones, im 100% sure about that.
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Just some more info. Here is a video i recorded going home from work, and as you can hear the sounds are very "Watery" or "Distorted" as many describe it. (The bad video quality is a combination of my using CM10.2, only recording in 720P and YouTubes bitrate being bad as always)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgdtWzoQkOU&feature=youtu.be
And no, I did NOT cover up any of the microphones, im 100% sure about that.
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yep, that's just this phones awful audio recording here. it's god awful. my htc rezound did the same thing, yet all the following phones i had (s3, DNA, gnex, S4) didn't do this. so it's like a 3 year old problme that LG just can't manage to fix. sigh.
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yep, that's just this phones awful audio recording here. it's god awful. my htc rezound did the same thing, yet all the following phones i had (s3, DNA, gnex, S4) didn't do this. so it's like a 3 year old problme that LG just can't manage to fix. sigh.
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Then how can you explain many of the video tests on YouTube does not have this problem..? It just seems strange.
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Then how can you explain many of the video tests on YouTube does not have this problem..? It just seems strange.
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Video uses the rear mic for audio zoom. Not even sure if it cancels as well like the top. Verizons model ONLY has a top. I have no distortion or watery sound when using stock recorder or on video. I however do get dead silence between some sounds, very good cancellation, sometimes a bit too much. Voice Privacy in dailer has NOTHING to do with voice cancellation. It is an algorithm used to encrypt voice communications and is worthless being hacked long ago. VS980
Steamer86 said:
Video uses the rear mic for audio zoom. Not even sure if it cancels as well like the top. Verizons model ONLY has a top. I have no distortion or watery sound when using stock recorder or on video. I however do get dead silence between some sounds, very good cancelation, sometimes a bit too much. VS980
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I have the d802, and that does not have rear mounted microphone. So maybe it is just some bad optimization. There has got to be a way to disable the noise cancelling microphone, or use it as a secondary mic.
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Okay..
So basically every rom out there for the G2 has terrible sound when it comes to the microphone, but there is a fix, i'm sure!
A few weeks back i downloaded the AOSPA 4 rom for the G2 and installed it, and guess what, it removed the noise cancellation!
But after the rom was buggy here and there, I decided to live with the bad sound on CM 10.2.
Now a few weeks has gone by, and I wanted to try out the updated AOSPA 4 rom, but what is diz, the sound is terrible!?
So it seems like the whoever is in charge of the AOSPA rom for the G2 has brought back the horrible sound.
Now is there a way to get the microphone profiles from one rom over to another? I have the old AOSPA 4 rom, with the working sound on my computer, and I want to take the microphone profile, and save it, so that i can manually add it to any other rom i download in the future, because I know that roms like CM probably wont update the mic profile for one specific phone.
Hey there, I just got myself LG G2 D802 and I find the noise cancellation in videos to be extremely annoying. Do you guys know if there is a fix to it yet? Something to disable it would be awesome.
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Might be a HW fault or y'all are being too sensitive videos recorded with my D802 have great sound.
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Well, I envy you then Here is sample from my phone (excuse my english, it is not my first language):
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In the first second you can hear 'normal' sound, then it goes down. You can hear my voice very well, so the quality of it is fine, but then you can't hear very well the scratching sounds (it cuts in and out).
And here is a source file: CLICK
Could it be really a hardware issue? Should I return the phone?
Bumping this in hopes there's been some progress on this subject? I returned two Lg G2's due rto this issue, so its definitely an issue with the phone. Thanks
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Bumping this in hopes there's been some progress on this subject? I returned two Lg G2's due rto this issue, so its definitely an issue with the phone. Thanks
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guys, anybody, Im bumping another thread just to get this issue alive, im going insane with bad recordings, I will throw the phone at the wall
Hi all. Just got my Moto X Pure few days ago. But I noticed that my speakers are cracking at certain sounds. Specially playing the ringtone "Zeta", crackling occurs. Not clear. Does not happen with every sound. Thinking its a defective in my phone. Can you test yours playing the Zeta tone and let me know. Thanks!
I can achieve the same crackle playing that tone ONLY at max volume. I tried different audio settings (balanced or bassboost or off) all crackle at MAX volume.
Thanks. But my does not matter if its in max volume. Thanks for the reply. Moto X Pure, Returning....
PS; My Moto X2nd same ringtone, NO Problem at any volume.
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Thanks. But my does not matter if its in max volume. Thanks for the reply. Moto X Pure, Returning....
PS; My Moto X2nd same ringtone, NO Problem at any volume.
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I posted on the official forums about this problem and already got one reply: https://forums.motorola.com/posts/c751a88e77?commentId=981431
I chatted with Motorola support and they had me run through some TSing steps: Reboot, clear cache, factory reset
The chat support couldn't look up my IMEI for some reason, so they gave me a case number and have escalated it. I should get a call in 24-48 hours.
I'm not sure if I even want to return it if this issue is widespread. No sense in returning only to receive a phone with the same problem or perhaps MORE problems.
At Max it does have some crackling but at one step below it doesn't, and it's still better than the next best thing you can get, due to it's front facing speakers. Remember it's a phone. Spend money on a wireless speaker or headphones, this isn't supposed to be your personal boombox.
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At Max it does have some crackling but at one step below it doesn't, and it's still better than the next best thing you can get, due to it's front facing speakers. Remember it's a phone. Spend money on a wireless speaker or headphones, this isn't supposed to be your personal boombox.
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That sounds an awful lot like "you're holding it wrong". I've owned a lot of Android phones and none that I remember had it this bad or even close.
If Motorola doesn't want me using the phone that loud, they should not allow me to increase the volume that much. They may simply need to lower the gain with a software update. Until I know for sure that pretty much everyone has this problem, I'm going through Moto's support channels for a resolution.
Looking at the mixers_path.XML file, the gains do seem to be rather high.
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Looking at the mixers_path.XML file, the gains do seem to be rather high.
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I have not tinkered with that file or the settings within before. A quick Google seems to suggest that screwing with those settings can cause similar distortion. Sounds more and more like something they'll have to tweak in an OTA.
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Sounds more and more like something they'll have to tweak in an OTA.
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Yes, and to be honest i never have my speakers on max volume but i understand its frustrating for some.
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I have not tinkered with that file or the settings within before. A quick Google seems to suggest that screwing with those settings can cause similar distortion. Sounds more and more like something they'll have to tweak in an OTA.
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It may be the eq settings. Do you have it enabled?
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It may be the eq settings. Do you have it enabled?
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I have had it enabled as it comes enabled by default. While troubleshooting this problem I discovered this feature and disabled the EQ in the sound settings menu. It mitigates the crackling but doesn't make it go away entirely.
Sorry if it's happening ALL the time even at low volumes but just about any speaker system cranked up to full volume will snap-crackle-pop unless you are running very expensive speakers with very powerful, clean amplification! I mean come on...can we even call what they put in a cell phone a "speaker"?? Maybe if you were the size of a grasshopper you could call them "speakers"!
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Sorry if it's happening ALL the time even at low volumes but just about any speaker system cranked up to full volume will snap-crackle-pop unless you are running very expensive speakers with very powerful, clean amplification! I mean come on...can we even call what they put in a cell phone a "speaker"?? Maybe if you were the size of a grasshopper you could call them "speakers"!
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None of my other phones do it. This isn't a budget phone either. Hell my Moto G doesn't do it.
So is this happening on ALL these new phones...(don't have mine yet...it's being shipped right now) or is this just happening to a random few?
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So is this happening on ALL these new phones...(don't have mine yet...it's being shipped right now) or is this just happening to a random few?
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https://forums.motorola.com/posts/c751a88e77
Moto staff have noticed the thread and verified that even their phone does it.
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https://forums.motorola.com/posts/c751a88e77
Moto staff have noticed the thread and verified that even their phone does it.
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YUK...I hope it doesn't bother me! While this is not my first Moto phone it is my first unlocked "almost" vanilla Android phone. I really want this thing to be GREAT!
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If this issue is so wide spread WHY DIDN"T EVEN ONE REVIEW say anything about it???? Did they all get different phones? Is this a batch issue like we have seen on many threads about many phones like the S6 scratch debacle?
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YUK...I hope it doesn't bother me! While this is not my first Moto phone it is my first unlocked "almost" vanilla Android phone. I really want this thing to be GREAT!
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If this issue is so wide spread WHY DIDN"T EVEN ONE REVIEW say anything about it???? Did they all get different phones? Is this a batch issue like we have seen on many threads about many phones like the S6 scratch debacle?
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Probably because it's easy to miss. It only seems to happen at max or near max volume and with only certain sounds. It might also only be 10% of the phones or something have it. It would be very easy to have one of the 10% and not notice unless you're looking for it.
It's not a huge deal at all... don't get me wrong. I'm particular about my phones though, so it is enough for me to consider looking elsewhere.
I tried to capture it on video, but it doesn't pick up well. It is worse in person. https://vid.me/tavk
Well I couldn't hear anything bad through my laptop with headphones on so I hope it is tolerable. TY
Well for me, I have to bring the volume down 4 notches so theres no rattle. Another thing I noticed is that when choosing a notification sound, between each choice, theres crackle and pop coming from my speaker. Weird. Also, rattle is from top speaker only. Seems like for ringtones, the phone uses both speakers, but only through the bottom for notifications. When playing music, even at maxx volume, i don't notice the rattle. Well, as much as I love this phone, i think I'm returning it. Since its a widespread problem, maybe the next revision, they "will" install different speaker. Guess the wait for N5x begins for me.
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Well for me, I have to bring the volume down 4 notches so theres no rattle. Another thing I noticed is that when choosing a notification sound, between each choice, theres crackle and pop coming from my speaker. Weird. Also, rattle is from top speaker only. Seems like for ringtones, the phone uses both speakers, but only through the bottom for notifications. When playing music, even at maxx volume, i don't notice the rattle. Well, as much as I love this phone, i think I'm returning it. Since its a widespread problem, maybe the next revision, they "will" install different speaker. Guess the wait for N5x begins for me.
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same..shame of you motorola
Just received my device and its perfect...except for the top speaker being louder than the bottom one. I've seen other posts with people having the same issue so I want to see how many people this is affecting before I exchange mine.
I also noticed that at max volume they seem balanced but anything below that then the top is definitely louder.
same issue...top speaker is louder
jamespat93 said:
Just received my device and its perfect...except for the top speaker being louder than the bottom one. I've seen other posts with people having the same issue so I want to see how many people this is affecting before I exchange mine.
I also noticed that at max volume they seem balanced but anything below that then the top is definitely louder.
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I had google call me and they told me its that way by design...um, well that sucks... does the htc one m8 have this issue? anyone know
I noticed this as well, but it's a really minor difference, at least on my phone. I'm fine with it.
doneuemf said:
I had google call me and they told me its that way by design...um, well that sucks... does the htc one m8 have this issue? anyone know
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My HTC m7 had that issue but it was much less noticeable
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doneuemf said:
does the htc one m8 have this issue? anyone know
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I've had the M7, M8, M9, and a Moto X Pure.. They were all very well balanced /even sounding speakers. My N6P, is not..... And likes the OP, mine does balance out as you turn it up almost full volume.
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I had google call me and they told me its that way by design...um, well that sucks... does the htc one m8 have this issue? anyone know
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I'm guessing Google are now just saying this so they don't have to keep exchanging phones.
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I noticed this as well, but it's a really minor difference, at least on my phone. I'm fine with it.
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For me it ruins the stereo effect of the phone...and 'stereo speakers' are part of the package we paid for when we bought this phone. At max volume they're fine so maybe it is a software issue.
Does anyone know how to edit the speaker gain xml or whatever?
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Does anyone know how to edit the speaker gain xml or whatever?
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I don't know that, but you can always try something like PowerAmp and mess with the balance. This doesn't help with videos or YouTube (or Google music), but for listening to MP3's through the phone speakers it will help.
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Just received my device and its perfect...except for the top speaker being louder than the bottom one. I've seen other posts with people having the same issue so I want to see how many people this is affecting before I exchange mine.
I also noticed that at max volume they seem balanced but anything below that then the top is definitely louder.
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I just got off phone with tech support, cleared my cache data and speakers are working great now..both at same volume..give it a try.
Top one might be slightly louder, but not that noticeable. I don't use speakers much anyways.
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I don't know that, but you can always try something like PowerAmp and mess with the balance. This doesn't help with videos or YouTube (or Google music), but for listening to MP3's through the phone speakers it will help.
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Yeah that's a good idea. Hopefully someone can come up with something system wide though.
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I just got off phone with tech support, cleared my cache data and speakers are working great now..both at same volume..give it a try.
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Wow so they're working perfectly now? How do you clear cache data?
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Yeah that's a good idea. Hopefully someone can come up with something system wide though.
Wow so they're working perfectly now? How do you clear cache data?
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yes perfect, both at same level...go to your settings, go to storage and app...click on cached data and click ok
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yes perfect, both at same level...go to your settings, go to storage and app...click on cached data and click ok
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Thanks, I cleared my my cache but it didn't fix my speakers
Did they give you anything else you could try? Or did they say why clearing your cache would fix them? Isit a bug or something?
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I just got off phone with tech support, cleared my cache data and speakers are working great now..both at same volume..give it a try.
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LMAO, clearing your cache most certainly did not fix a hardware issue.
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LMAO, clearing your cache most certainly did not fix a hardware issue.
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This could possibly be a software fault though...cause at max volume the speakers are balanced.
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This could possibly be a software fault though...cause at max volume the speakers are balanced.
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It does not appear to be a software fault. The drivers are different sizes, set in different enclosures (the bottom houses a microphone etc), so they are bound to sound different. Even at full volume, while more balanced, the tone is still different between the two. Can the balance be fixed with a software tweak? Certainly, hopefully it will be, but clearing cache has nothing to do with it.
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It does not appear to be a software fault. The drivers are different sizes, set in different enclosures (the bottom houses a microphone etc), so they are bound to sound different. Even at full volume, while more balanced, the tone is still different between the two. Can the balance be fixed with a software tweak? Certainly, hopefully it will be, but clearing cache has nothing to do with it.
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Yeah the drivers being different sizes makes sense and would explain the difference but looking at the poll quite a few people have said their speakers are balanced?
Surely Google and Huawei wouldn't have overlooked this when designing the phone, especially when nexus 6 didnt have this problem. At first I thought it was a hardware fault too and was going to exchange my phone but I'm not sure atm.
Either way I hope a software tweak can fix this too.
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Yeah the drivers being different sizes makes sense and would explain the difference but looking at the poll quite a few people have said their speakers are balanced?
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Some people are tone deaf.
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This could possibly be a software fault though...cause at max volume the speakers are balanced.
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At max volume, the speakers are reported to be more equal on most people's devices who are reporting this problem. I am on my second Nexus 6P after I requested an RMA for the speaker issue and both have had the unequal speaker balance. Both are also much more even at maximum volume. I think some people are just much more receptive to the difference than others and there is likely some variation between devices as well.
I have this phone for rew days now and I already noticed that the top speaker is slightly louder than the bottom one. I understand that the bottom one is a bit smaller because it has to include the microphone as well but they should fix it with a software update.
I did clear the cache, and it works, not at all, but okay, before clear cache, my top speaker so loud, almost cant hear bot speaker at high volume, after the cache cleared, its only have slightly different, just a little louder on the top
O ya, i have htc one m8 too, but dont have this problem, its sound fantastic
Making phone calls and gaming, the speaker is horrible. It doesnt help that I have a severe hearing loss and have only 40% of my hearing left.
Is there anyway to tweak the volume on the phone or possibly a hardware tweak?
Viper4Android is the app that would probably help, but requires root. Can you use wired headphones? That might make a difference too.
bgibson72 said:
Viper4Android is the app that would probably help, but requires root. Can you use wired headphones? That might make a difference too.
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Agreed.
Turning up the gain will net the results you seek, but it will also blow those tiny little speakers, like quick. So be careful with V4A.
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Agreed.
Turning up the gain will net the results you seek, but it will also blow those tiny little speakers, like quick. So be careful with V4A.
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Yeah, don't do that.