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It seems there's not enought AMOLED for everyone, so I guess the developer version of the Nexus One that is going to be sold soon will use this lcd?? Here's the press release:
HTC Introduces SLCD Display Technology To Its Portfolio
New Displays to be integrated into HTC Desire and Nexus One
Taoyuan, TAIWAN – July 26, 2010 – HTC Corporation, a global designer of smartphones, today introduced Super LCD display (SLCD) technology into a variety of HTC phones including the HTC Desire and global Nexus One later this summer. The SLCD display offers an exceptional natural balanced colour, clear contrast, broad viewing angles and improved power efficiency.
"HTC is experiencing high-demand for many of our phones, specifically our phones with 3.7 inch displays. The new SLCD display technology enables us to ramp up our production capabilities quickly to meet the high-demand," said Peter Chou, CEO of HTC Corporation. "The SLCD displays provide consumers with a comparable visual experience to HTC's current 3.7 inch displays with some additional benefits including battery performance."
SLCD is the latest generation of LCD technology that offers improved performance from earlier LCD panels including approximately five times better power management. SLCDs also offer an enhanced viewing experience with wider viewing angles that are enabled by Sony's new VSPEC III™ technology.
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Source: Engadget
Read between the lines. . . This is going to be a more efficient display unit, that is easily manufactured. I don't see anything involving the word "better".
Battery life is already impressive unless you use your Nexus for literally everything.
HighTech216 said:
Read between the lines. . . This is going to be a more efficient display unit, that is easily manufactured. I don't see anything involving the word "better".
Battery life is already impressive unless you use your Nexus for literally everything.
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I'm not saying it's better or worse. I'm just posting news. 0_o
maybe samsung just doesn't want to sell any to HTC.. is SLCD "comparable" to AMLCD or whatever used by iphone4..
I'm already thinking about selling my brand new Nexus One in order to get a new one with an SLCD screen.
Goodbye pentiles! Goodbye over saturation!
Hope Sony is NOT going the pentile matrix way, as this is not exclusive to amoleds...
i'm wondering whether the new screen uses a better digitizer for multi touch? a multi touch Vis test would be good on a Super LCD nexus one.
Shahpur.Azizpour said:
I'm already thinking about selling my brand new Nexus One in order to get a new one with an SLCD screen.
Goodbye pentiles! Goodbye over saturation!
Hope Sony is NOT going the pentile matrix way, as this is not exclusive to amoleds...
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what's wrong with pentiles? and why is over saturation not a good thing. it makes things look more vibrant and colorful?
stats101 said:
what's wrong with pentiles? and why is over saturation not a good thing. it makes things look more vibrant and colorful?
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The point is over saturation; ie: things look over saturated. However personally I have not found it to be a problem, and I typically notice these sorts of things being a photographer. But I have different devices for different scopes of work, and they don't all have to be equivalent. I don't have to have "the best" camera in my phone, my work monitor doesn't have to be perfectly calibrated (okay, so it is, I hate bad colours..)
And Pentile sucks. Everything looks dithered. I'm sure it's not exclusive to AMOLED but I can't imagine the purpose of it anywhere else? The main purpose, as I understand it, is to drive most of the luminance from the emitters which have longer life.
exactly. the point is that the colors on amoleds, especially reds and orange colors, are way too saturated. I hate the color reproduction on the nexus one.
And PenTiles are the WORST invention ever, the dithered look distracts the eyes, especially when reading a lot of text. The display is my main complaint woth the nexus one, other than that im completely happy. (ok the stock homescreens are laggy as hell even on android 2.2, but at least there are some replacement apps available).
khaytsus said:
The point is over saturation; ie: things look over saturated. However personally I have not found it to be a problem, and I typically notice these sorts of things being a photographer. But I have different devices for different scopes of work, and they don't all have to be equivalent. I don't have to have "the best" camera in my phone, my work monitor doesn't have to be perfectly calibrated (okay, so it is, I hate bad colours..)
And Pentile sucks. Everything looks dithered. I'm sure it's not exclusive to AMOLED but I can't imagine the purpose of it anywhere else? The main purpose, as I understand it, is to drive most of the luminance from the emitters which have longer life.
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If the SLCD is way better under sunlight I hope GoOgLe will give us the choice to replace the screen,this with better battery life will be exellent
I love my n1 and I like the AMOLED when I use it in the dark but I'd seriously consider getting the LCD version if they upgrade the touch sensor.
ChronoReverse said:
I love my n1 and I like the AMOLED when I use it in the dark but I'd seriously consider getting the LCD version if they upgrade the touch sensor.
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Has anyone heard word on whether the touch sensor is getting updated as well?
Shahpur.Azizpour said:
exactly. the point is that the colors on amoleds, especially reds and orange colors, are way too saturated. I hate the color reproduction on the nexus one.
And PenTiles are the WORST invention ever, the dithered look distracts the eyes, especially when reading a lot of text. The display is my main complaint woth the nexus one, other than that im completely happy. (ok the stock homescreens are laggy as hell even on android 2.2, but at least there are some replacement apps available).
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Agree with the PenTile display! For some reason so few people realize just how ****ty it is. I remember commenting on Engadget saying how ****ty it looks compared to my Touch Pro 2 and people just called me a troll even though I owned both devices.
My honest first opinion of my Nexus One after turning it on is "Wow, this screen sucks!" But I kept it despite its ****ty screen and lack of keyboard because I love my 1GHz processor.
Yea I'm curious how this will affect existing users. Sounds like they are trying to use cheaper screens to deepen their pockets, but I'm all for it if the quality is better or on par of our existing screens.... especially if it fixes the multitouch bugs.
if someone got a replacement Nexus One with Super LCD, then could you please test multi touch with MultiTouch Vis Test? thanks
petard said:
Agree with the PenTile display! For some reason so few people realize just how ****ty it is. I remember commenting on Engadget saying how ****ty it looks compared to my Touch Pro 2 and people just called me a troll even though I owned both devices.
My honest first opinion of my Nexus One after turning it on is "Wow, this screen sucks!" But I kept it despite its ****ty screen and lack of keyboard because I love my 1GHz processor.
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Yeah, sadly there are many people which don't see this problem and therefore it seems like this cheap approach is paying off for the manufacturers. Even the Touch Diamond 2 had a far better WVGA Display (LCD).
I also had an motorola milestone (droid) testdevice and the screen on the milestone just kills the n1 screen. I can literally read the text on fully zoomed out webpages on the milestone, while on the n1 i can't see the text clearly at all.
The problem is: People who never witnessed a better WVGA screen will be happy as the AMOLED Pentile screens are at least better then old HVGA screens. But anybody who got to experience WVGA on an LCD without Pentile Matrix garbage will know that the difference ist huge.
So would HTC potentially replace existing n1's displays with the SLCD if they are under warranty.
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Lcd and digitizer are separate pieces of hardware, you won't be seeing it upgraded.
What is wrong with your guys that everything turns into a flame fest over something like a display???
Can't you read? The "marketing/promotional" release stated it is better. Therefore, it must be true
i would like to know how SLCD is more efficient battery power. did they mean more efficient over traditional LCD, or more efficient over AMOLED? i'm assuming over LCD.
i know the pentile problems and all, but i honestly still dont mind it. i've seen the EVO and droid and how crisp they look, but it just isnt a huge difference for me. i like the over saturate colors of amoled!
I know this is going to sound absurd, but would it be possible to for instance, buy a 4.3 inch (S)AMOLED screen and swap it with the DHD one?
MrYuiM said:
I know this is going to sound absurd, but would it be possible to for instance, buy a 4.3 inch (S)AMOLED screen and swap it with the DHD one?
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sure you can but it wont display anything but at least you will have an AMOLED screen in a dhd
noobdeagle said:
sure you can but it wont display anything but at least you will have an AMOLED screen in a dhd
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LOL
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It would certainly be possible, and possible to get it working.
However, it wouldn't be easy, or practical, so i wouldn't recommend it
JamesBarnes said:
It would certainly be possible, and possible to get it working.
However, it wouldn't be easy, or practical, so i wouldn't recommend it
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changing the screen is one thing but the screens driver board would be different (unless its built into phone screens ?) not to mention the screen itself would probably require a different driver to run the display hence my point
you will have an amoled in a dhd but its unlikely that it will work unless you have the knowledge to do it all, but considering your asking the question im going to assume you dont
Haha I don't have the knowledge and it was just a thought, but maybe the pros at XDA can. As they say, nothing is impossible and Android is extremely open.
The software is open, hardware hacking is often somewhat more involved.
As i said its possible, but requires a huge amount of effort and skill, as pointed out by noobdeagle.
For all practical purposes it isnt possible, but given enough time, skill and equipment you could certainly do it, then again, thats true of nearly anything....
*goes off to build hoverboard*
Ok, sorry to bring a dead thread from the grave, but I just thought. If it were to be an (S)AMOLED, or SLCD etc, couldn't the drivers be gotten from ROMS from say the Galaxy S or another phone with that screen?
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I know this is going to sound absurd, but would it be possible to for instance, buy a 4.3 inch (S)AMOLED screen and swap it with the DHD one?
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Yeah, even Samsung themselves would like to have 4.3 inch.
The only reason(I believe) DHD didn't came with AMOLED or SAMOLED is because it'll be 2012 when it's possible for Samsung to make 4.3 inch OLED screens.
I'm sure Samsung can manufacture them considering they're showing off prototypes of the worlds thinnest screen and thats transparent and measuring in at 5" i think it was Just a question of whether they want to or not :s
Amoled cant be found in the size of 4.3inch thats why HTC had to go with S-LCD Super amoled can only be found in the size of 4Inch
The DHD has an S-LCD? Is there anyway to check that?
Google it
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Google it
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I have, it appears it does. But the keyword "desire" is littered with normal Desire threads.
I have read S-LCD everywhere on Google
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Dhd have slcd
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jokies said:
Yeah, even Samsung themselves would like to have 4.3 inch.
The only reason(I believe) DHD didn't came with AMOLED or SAMOLED is because it'll be 2012 when it's possible for Samsung to make 4.3 inch OLED screens.
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Not true, Samsung have been making 19" AMOLED's since May 2010.
The Desire HD has a SLCD because of the AMOLED shortages that happened in Q4 of 2010.
As for replacing the screen, the motherboard would prevent you from changing the screen due to compatibility issues. Along side that there would be issues with the connector used to connect to the motherboard since HTC follow no hardware standards for there internal hardware.
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Not true, Samsung have been making 19" AMOLED's since May 2010.
The Desire HD has a SLCD because of the AMOLED shortages that happened in Q4 of 2010.
As for replacing the screen, the motherboard would prevent you from changing the screen due to compatibility issues. Along side that there would be issues with the connector used to connect to the motherboard since HTC follow no hardware standards for there internal hardware.
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Fair enough and the most intelligent answer yet. But, you say shortages, I remember the shortages a while ago but what about the new Nokia they're amoled and so are some others
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The AMOLED shortages caused Samsung to charge an increased price for AMOLEDs, people think this was to make AMOLED more unique to the Galaxy range of phones but nobody knows 100%.
The "Nokia AMOLED" thing I have no idea about, Nokia have no gain in the SLCD Market or the AMOLED market that I know of but I do know they only recently dropped the nHD screens in there phones though. Maybe they brought them while the phone was in production earlier in the year?
In my opinion half the reason for HTC choosing SLCD for the Desire Z/HD was because of them having AMOLED and SLCD Desires and nobody bringing a worthy mention to the matter.
Fair enough. Guess we'll see what Samsung have next. They developed amoled 2 I think which rivals the iPhone retina display.
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I thought would share this video. They have some stuff up there sleeves.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY_ADCTBKVE&feature=player_embedded
Disclaimer: This is not a Nexus S post.
well, i can only say that im very impressed
I had seen Sony develop that technology first with their first 17 inch AMOLED tvs....dunno what happened to Sony in that field...anyone knows?
When will AMOLED displays come to laptops! I want one!
NexusDro said:
When will AMOLED displays come to laptops! I want one!
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As far as displays and screen samsung does seem to be at the top of there game if this stuff drops.
Samsung comes out with something even better. Super PLS. And you thought waiting for Froyo left you anxious.
http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/01/samsung-touts-super-pls-display-as-the-evolution-of-ips-on-smart/
From reading that still sounds like super aomled is the better etch, this seems like an improvement on IPS
So... Super amoled 2 anyone?
Well, with how I am with phones, I usually jump to a different device within 6 months.
One thing is for sure, I am not going down smaller than 4 inches. I hope Samsung release a SAMOLED 5 incher that's got Motorola's Defy durability.
Umm yeah but short on the actual tech spec. Apart from it having good viewing angles.
Logicalstep
sounds like it's in direct competition vs. Apple
which basically means lawsuit for copyright inflingement, etc, etc...
I'll stick with SAMOLED until the dust settles
I tried using back my old LCD HTC phones and OMG i can't stand the old screens anymore... it's so.... OLD!
Super AMOLED is addictive
AllGamer said:
sounds like it's in direct competition vs. Apple
which basically means lawsuit for copyright inflingement, etc, etc...
I'll stick with SAMOLED until the dust settles
I tried using back my old LCD HTC phones and OMG i can't stand the old screens anymore... it's so.... OLD!
Super AMOLED is addictive
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totally agree. Can't go back to anything worse than a S'AMOLED
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Super amoled is great . Great colours , great contrast . Good Work samsung. Hope we see SAmoled on the tab.
Samsung owns SLCD ,so why does samsung not use SLCD on their phones? why is htc the only company(that i know of) using SLCD screens?
( i don't mind amoled screens, just wondering why they don't use it)
AMOLEDs are in general more battery efficient, thinner (from what I know), has better contrast ratios etc. It's still somewhat work in progress, but still I'd bet on it replacing LCDs in foreseeable future.
And SLCD is owned by both Samsung and Sony right? Not just Samsung?
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AMOLEDs are in general more battery efficient, thinner (from what I know), has better contrast ratios etc. It's still somewhat work in progress, but still I'd bet on it replacing LCDs in foreseeable future.
And SLCD is owned by both Samsung and Sony right? Not just Samsung?
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thanks for your reply, i think OLED is the future not amoled(not the pentile matrix thing). Samsung bought sonys share in SLCD, so samsung owns the whole company.
Pentile will be sticking with Samsung for some time, I think they will keep using this technology for flexible screens until they come up with qLED or something brand new in my opinion.
1. They own the IP and they put in lot of R&D to improve the technology
2. Amoled diodes are organic so the colours tend to die faster than LCD. With pentile, it increases the longevity while increasing battery life (2 big things Samsung focuses on)
With the new improved S4 screen, it really closed the gap.
Trollololol said:
thanks for your reply, i think OLED is the future not amoled(not the pentile matrix thing). Samsung bought sonys share in SLCD, so samsung owns the whole company.
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AMOLED is a subset of OLED, like SLCD is of LCD. I agree, not a big fan of pentile. But sRGB AMOLED is still not viable to be manufactured in full HD, I mean they have to make this thing affordable for masses afterall.
Are you sure about Samsung buying the entire SLCD though? Wiki seems to suggest otherwise?
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AMOLED is a subset of OLED, like SLCD is of LCD. I agree, not a big fan of pentile. But sRGB AMOLED is still not viable to be manufactured in full HD, I mean they have to make this thing affordable for masses afterall.
Are you sure about Samsung buying the entire SLCD though? Wiki seems to suggest otherwise?
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-16330877
Actually amoleds consume more power compared to LCDs (when kept at same brightnes) ,that is one of the reasons why Amoleds are less bright than LCDs.
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Actually amoleds consume more power compared to LCDs (when kept at same brightnes) ,that is one of the reasons why Amoleds are less bright than LCDs.
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Really? I thought Amoled consumes less because they don't have a constant backlight like LCD. More picture dependent.