I know this is going to sound absurd, but would it be possible to for instance, buy a 4.3 inch (S)AMOLED screen and swap it with the DHD one?
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I know this is going to sound absurd, but would it be possible to for instance, buy a 4.3 inch (S)AMOLED screen and swap it with the DHD one?
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sure you can but it wont display anything but at least you will have an AMOLED screen in a dhd
noobdeagle said:
sure you can but it wont display anything but at least you will have an AMOLED screen in a dhd
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LOL
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It would certainly be possible, and possible to get it working.
However, it wouldn't be easy, or practical, so i wouldn't recommend it
JamesBarnes said:
It would certainly be possible, and possible to get it working.
However, it wouldn't be easy, or practical, so i wouldn't recommend it
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changing the screen is one thing but the screens driver board would be different (unless its built into phone screens ?) not to mention the screen itself would probably require a different driver to run the display hence my point
you will have an amoled in a dhd but its unlikely that it will work unless you have the knowledge to do it all, but considering your asking the question im going to assume you dont
Haha I don't have the knowledge and it was just a thought, but maybe the pros at XDA can. As they say, nothing is impossible and Android is extremely open.
The software is open, hardware hacking is often somewhat more involved.
As i said its possible, but requires a huge amount of effort and skill, as pointed out by noobdeagle.
For all practical purposes it isnt possible, but given enough time, skill and equipment you could certainly do it, then again, thats true of nearly anything....
*goes off to build hoverboard*
Ok, sorry to bring a dead thread from the grave, but I just thought. If it were to be an (S)AMOLED, or SLCD etc, couldn't the drivers be gotten from ROMS from say the Galaxy S or another phone with that screen?
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Yeah, even Samsung themselves would like to have 4.3 inch.
The only reason(I believe) DHD didn't came with AMOLED or SAMOLED is because it'll be 2012 when it's possible for Samsung to make 4.3 inch OLED screens.
I'm sure Samsung can manufacture them considering they're showing off prototypes of the worlds thinnest screen and thats transparent and measuring in at 5" i think it was Just a question of whether they want to or not :s
Amoled cant be found in the size of 4.3inch thats why HTC had to go with S-LCD Super amoled can only be found in the size of 4Inch
The DHD has an S-LCD? Is there anyway to check that?
Google it
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Google it
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I have, it appears it does. But the keyword "desire" is littered with normal Desire threads.
I have read S-LCD everywhere on Google
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Dhd have slcd
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Yeah, even Samsung themselves would like to have 4.3 inch.
The only reason(I believe) DHD didn't came with AMOLED or SAMOLED is because it'll be 2012 when it's possible for Samsung to make 4.3 inch OLED screens.
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Not true, Samsung have been making 19" AMOLED's since May 2010.
The Desire HD has a SLCD because of the AMOLED shortages that happened in Q4 of 2010.
As for replacing the screen, the motherboard would prevent you from changing the screen due to compatibility issues. Along side that there would be issues with the connector used to connect to the motherboard since HTC follow no hardware standards for there internal hardware.
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Not true, Samsung have been making 19" AMOLED's since May 2010.
The Desire HD has a SLCD because of the AMOLED shortages that happened in Q4 of 2010.
As for replacing the screen, the motherboard would prevent you from changing the screen due to compatibility issues. Along side that there would be issues with the connector used to connect to the motherboard since HTC follow no hardware standards for there internal hardware.
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Fair enough and the most intelligent answer yet. But, you say shortages, I remember the shortages a while ago but what about the new Nokia they're amoled and so are some others
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The AMOLED shortages caused Samsung to charge an increased price for AMOLEDs, people think this was to make AMOLED more unique to the Galaxy range of phones but nobody knows 100%.
The "Nokia AMOLED" thing I have no idea about, Nokia have no gain in the SLCD Market or the AMOLED market that I know of but I do know they only recently dropped the nHD screens in there phones though. Maybe they brought them while the phone was in production earlier in the year?
In my opinion half the reason for HTC choosing SLCD for the Desire Z/HD was because of them having AMOLED and SLCD Desires and nobody bringing a worthy mention to the matter.
Fair enough. Guess we'll see what Samsung have next. They developed amoled 2 I think which rivals the iPhone retina display.
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It seems there's not enought AMOLED for everyone, so I guess the developer version of the Nexus One that is going to be sold soon will use this lcd?? Here's the press release:
HTC Introduces SLCD Display Technology To Its Portfolio
New Displays to be integrated into HTC Desire and Nexus One
Taoyuan, TAIWAN – July 26, 2010 – HTC Corporation, a global designer of smartphones, today introduced Super LCD display (SLCD) technology into a variety of HTC phones including the HTC Desire and global Nexus One later this summer. The SLCD display offers an exceptional natural balanced colour, clear contrast, broad viewing angles and improved power efficiency.
"HTC is experiencing high-demand for many of our phones, specifically our phones with 3.7 inch displays. The new SLCD display technology enables us to ramp up our production capabilities quickly to meet the high-demand," said Peter Chou, CEO of HTC Corporation. "The SLCD displays provide consumers with a comparable visual experience to HTC's current 3.7 inch displays with some additional benefits including battery performance."
SLCD is the latest generation of LCD technology that offers improved performance from earlier LCD panels including approximately five times better power management. SLCDs also offer an enhanced viewing experience with wider viewing angles that are enabled by Sony's new VSPEC III™ technology.
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Read between the lines. . . This is going to be a more efficient display unit, that is easily manufactured. I don't see anything involving the word "better".
Battery life is already impressive unless you use your Nexus for literally everything.
HighTech216 said:
Read between the lines. . . This is going to be a more efficient display unit, that is easily manufactured. I don't see anything involving the word "better".
Battery life is already impressive unless you use your Nexus for literally everything.
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I'm not saying it's better or worse. I'm just posting news. 0_o
maybe samsung just doesn't want to sell any to HTC.. is SLCD "comparable" to AMLCD or whatever used by iphone4..
I'm already thinking about selling my brand new Nexus One in order to get a new one with an SLCD screen.
Goodbye pentiles! Goodbye over saturation!
Hope Sony is NOT going the pentile matrix way, as this is not exclusive to amoleds...
i'm wondering whether the new screen uses a better digitizer for multi touch? a multi touch Vis test would be good on a Super LCD nexus one.
Shahpur.Azizpour said:
I'm already thinking about selling my brand new Nexus One in order to get a new one with an SLCD screen.
Goodbye pentiles! Goodbye over saturation!
Hope Sony is NOT going the pentile matrix way, as this is not exclusive to amoleds...
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what's wrong with pentiles? and why is over saturation not a good thing. it makes things look more vibrant and colorful?
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what's wrong with pentiles? and why is over saturation not a good thing. it makes things look more vibrant and colorful?
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The point is over saturation; ie: things look over saturated. However personally I have not found it to be a problem, and I typically notice these sorts of things being a photographer. But I have different devices for different scopes of work, and they don't all have to be equivalent. I don't have to have "the best" camera in my phone, my work monitor doesn't have to be perfectly calibrated (okay, so it is, I hate bad colours..)
And Pentile sucks. Everything looks dithered. I'm sure it's not exclusive to AMOLED but I can't imagine the purpose of it anywhere else? The main purpose, as I understand it, is to drive most of the luminance from the emitters which have longer life.
exactly. the point is that the colors on amoleds, especially reds and orange colors, are way too saturated. I hate the color reproduction on the nexus one.
And PenTiles are the WORST invention ever, the dithered look distracts the eyes, especially when reading a lot of text. The display is my main complaint woth the nexus one, other than that im completely happy. (ok the stock homescreens are laggy as hell even on android 2.2, but at least there are some replacement apps available).
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The point is over saturation; ie: things look over saturated. However personally I have not found it to be a problem, and I typically notice these sorts of things being a photographer. But I have different devices for different scopes of work, and they don't all have to be equivalent. I don't have to have "the best" camera in my phone, my work monitor doesn't have to be perfectly calibrated (okay, so it is, I hate bad colours..)
And Pentile sucks. Everything looks dithered. I'm sure it's not exclusive to AMOLED but I can't imagine the purpose of it anywhere else? The main purpose, as I understand it, is to drive most of the luminance from the emitters which have longer life.
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If the SLCD is way better under sunlight I hope GoOgLe will give us the choice to replace the screen,this with better battery life will be exellent
I love my n1 and I like the AMOLED when I use it in the dark but I'd seriously consider getting the LCD version if they upgrade the touch sensor.
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I love my n1 and I like the AMOLED when I use it in the dark but I'd seriously consider getting the LCD version if they upgrade the touch sensor.
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Has anyone heard word on whether the touch sensor is getting updated as well?
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exactly. the point is that the colors on amoleds, especially reds and orange colors, are way too saturated. I hate the color reproduction on the nexus one.
And PenTiles are the WORST invention ever, the dithered look distracts the eyes, especially when reading a lot of text. The display is my main complaint woth the nexus one, other than that im completely happy. (ok the stock homescreens are laggy as hell even on android 2.2, but at least there are some replacement apps available).
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Agree with the PenTile display! For some reason so few people realize just how ****ty it is. I remember commenting on Engadget saying how ****ty it looks compared to my Touch Pro 2 and people just called me a troll even though I owned both devices.
My honest first opinion of my Nexus One after turning it on is "Wow, this screen sucks!" But I kept it despite its ****ty screen and lack of keyboard because I love my 1GHz processor.
Yea I'm curious how this will affect existing users. Sounds like they are trying to use cheaper screens to deepen their pockets, but I'm all for it if the quality is better or on par of our existing screens.... especially if it fixes the multitouch bugs.
if someone got a replacement Nexus One with Super LCD, then could you please test multi touch with MultiTouch Vis Test? thanks
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Agree with the PenTile display! For some reason so few people realize just how ****ty it is. I remember commenting on Engadget saying how ****ty it looks compared to my Touch Pro 2 and people just called me a troll even though I owned both devices.
My honest first opinion of my Nexus One after turning it on is "Wow, this screen sucks!" But I kept it despite its ****ty screen and lack of keyboard because I love my 1GHz processor.
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Yeah, sadly there are many people which don't see this problem and therefore it seems like this cheap approach is paying off for the manufacturers. Even the Touch Diamond 2 had a far better WVGA Display (LCD).
I also had an motorola milestone (droid) testdevice and the screen on the milestone just kills the n1 screen. I can literally read the text on fully zoomed out webpages on the milestone, while on the n1 i can't see the text clearly at all.
The problem is: People who never witnessed a better WVGA screen will be happy as the AMOLED Pentile screens are at least better then old HVGA screens. But anybody who got to experience WVGA on an LCD without Pentile Matrix garbage will know that the difference ist huge.
So would HTC potentially replace existing n1's displays with the SLCD if they are under warranty.
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Lcd and digitizer are separate pieces of hardware, you won't be seeing it upgraded.
What is wrong with your guys that everything turns into a flame fest over something like a display???
Can't you read? The "marketing/promotional" release stated it is better. Therefore, it must be true
i would like to know how SLCD is more efficient battery power. did they mean more efficient over traditional LCD, or more efficient over AMOLED? i'm assuming over LCD.
i know the pentile problems and all, but i honestly still dont mind it. i've seen the EVO and droid and how crisp they look, but it just isnt a huge difference for me. i like the over saturate colors of amoled!
Just read a tweet from Eldar murtazin, who is generally well informed, and today he wrote sonething very disturbing.
Samsung seems to have stopped the production on the wave and the galaxy s due to super amoled screen shortage.
This is nothing short of a disaster for all of us hoping to see the galaxy s being supported with froyo and beyond i guess. (or even cyanogenmod for that matter...)
I really hope this is just a temporarely thing, just as with the droid incedible....what do you guys think?
cant produce the phone when there is no screens for it... so ofc they will once they have a stock
In this case, sell the phone. No big deal.
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this is their best selling phone, and the only real competition againts iphone
i doubt they will stop producing it completely
it'll just be on hold until they get more stock of SAMOLED
they did the same to HTC Desire
but instead of waiting for new stock HTC decided to use another type of screen
as soon as HTC did the change the Desire suddently became less desirable
@allgamer
I hope you are right about that but this would explain why you cant find any SGS here in Edmonton or in Canada at all from what I understand which sucks if you brick and need replacement, etc.
Also, do you think that this issue will delay the FROYO release to those of us who already have the phone?
according to Eldar, they sold their last batch of SAMOLED screens to Apple, who is making a product for next year with our screens in it!
now, i really hate Apple!
they see that retina alone isn't enough, so close the deal with Sammy!
i hope this won't kill Samsungs ambitions to become the biggest brand above Nokia!
yes, they are mostly back ordered even in Toronto as well, the sales are good, it's like iphone always sold out.
froyo has nothing to do with the factory side
froyo will come when the coders are done fixing the bugs and get things working properly
Don't worry about it too much.. Apple has product shortages all the time. More screens will be made. Really, don't worry about it too much..
"ANYMORE" is not the word! Why make such confusion?
Its a break in production due to shortage of SAMOLED screens.
Rename topic PLX
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Don't worry about it too much.. Apple has product shortages all the time. More screens will be made. Really, don't worry about it too much..
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You actually believe that? Apple does it deliberately to make the product more desirable, simple as. They like to see people queueing up 12 hours before a product is launched outside of their shops, good publicity etc.
As the the Super AMOLED rumour, it is just that, a rumour, like most things I see written on the internet. Isn't it samsung who actually produce these screens? And there is a shortage? I dont buy it...
Then again though, I wouldnt trust samdung as far as I could throw them.
That would explain shortage of SGS in Poland.... Especially with one carrier that has best prices for it.... I'm searching this phone for about 1,5 months...
by the way, this can't be true anyways
else the new launch this month on Rogers network will fail completely if that was true
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=792270
They will probably switch to the sony slcd screens
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then it'll be a waste, it'll go the way the Desire did, and it will cease to be a Galaxy S
it'll probably be released as a new model Galaxy sub S
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They will probably switch to the sony slcd screens
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Have you seen a desire with the SLCD screen? I prefer them to the AMOLED ones, they are a genuine 480x800 resolution and look sharper, and the colours are not much different IMO. Apparently they are worse on battery power though, despite the claims to the contrary...
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Have you seen a desire with the SLCD screen? I prefer them to the AMOLED ones, they are a genuine 480x800 resolution and look sharper, and the colours are not much different IMO. Apparently they are worse on battery power though, despite the claims to the contrary...
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AMOLED or SAMOLED? The AMOLED (like the Nexus One) are pretty disappointing in the long run, SAMOLED (like the Galaxy S) hasn't disappointed me even after a few months of owning it.
Isn't the real "strength" of the SAMOLED screen the contrast ratios and the inky blacks...? Will SLCD ever be able to match that because of the back or side lighting needed to actually illuminate the screen?
It's probably just a shortage, they couldn't keep up with HTC's demand for it, and they probably can;t keep up with their own...maybe they didn't truly believe the SGS would be such a success
Logicalstep
I was told from the importers/Saturn that Samsung Galaxy S were empty and Samsung are going to make more Samsung Galaxy S. They told me that people were crazy for Samsung Galaxy S and that's why the stock were empty.
the news and my phone store sources confirms the same, the SGS just sells really really good.
the 16 GB model is always the hardest to get, i did post a topic about it a while back
8 GB models are easier to find, but who would want less?
same reason why 8 GB are easier to find than the 16 GB models
now of course, for Cellphone carriers models those sizes are locked, you don't really get to chose
only the unlocked models you can choose to buy in 8 or 16
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AMOLED or SAMOLED? The AMOLED (like the Nexus One) are pretty disappointing in the long run, SAMOLED (like the Galaxy S) hasn't disappointed me even after a few months of owning it.
Isn't the real "strength" of the SAMOLED screen the contrast ratios and the inky blacks...? Will SLCD ever be able to match that because of the back or side lighting needed to actually illuminate the screen?
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"Samsung's Super AMOLED is a variant of AMOLED technology in which the layer which detects touch is integrated into the touchscreen display rather than being overlaid on top. This results in a thinner device and improved outdoor performance."
LCD tech will never be able to match AMOLED blacks, but there's still the "issue" with PenTile RGBR matrix. Red font on black for instance? Looks horrible. Text in general is its achilles heel. Video, images (well, not B&W perhaps ) and graphics looks amazing though.
Just picked up a new nexus s (new years eve) from carphonewarehouse in brighton and it has an SLCD. Is this common in uk as i thought it was just happening in russia etc..????
I have an AMOLED Desire so i can see a massive difference and about to return it. Any benefit in SLCD???
Wring section but I don't know any.pros over super amoled.
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Really? Damn that sucks. The screen is probably my favorite thing about this phone.
SLCD? What a ripoff. Why aren't they using Super Amoled???
Yeh a little peeved as the demo one I tested was AMOLED but the one in the box wasnt. Grrrr
super amolded = the best, period.
Uh how can I check what screen mine has?
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Uh how can I check what screen mine has?
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Look at it.
The major difference is when looking at the image with black background.
As SAMOLED has unlimited contrast, black is totally black.
only the russian nexus s models have slcd. can't find the link to the article, but I remember reading about this.
edit : here's the article http://androidcommunity.com/nexus-s...d-in-russia-instead-of-super-amoled-20101207/
OMG!!!!!!!! noooooooo, i hate it when the manufacture process changes half way through the release of a product (example HTC Desire)
i'm glad our batch in USA has SAMOLED.... but what will happen after if we need to send in our for repair? are we going to lose the SAMOLED to be replaced with a Sony LCD ? like they did with the Desire?
ewww....
i think i'd rather go back to a Tmobile Vibrant if that ever happens
Well slcd has it benefits. First you get regular RGB pixels instead of ugly Pentile. Second LCD's are not prone to "burn in" and shioter life of amoled. There are toms of threads about samoled burn in and rapid dimness.
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hahaha. i cant believe this. what a total f*** up.
It couldn't be. My friend just purchase one for me in carphonewarehouse. If it is slcd, I'd rather her return it. Confirm?
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Well slcd has it benefits. First you get regular RGB pixels instead of ugly Pentile.
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the only reason i purchased this phone and SGS was to get the SAMOLED screen
if it was not for it, there are tons of better choices for an Android phone
there is simply nothing else better that can compare to the crispy clear quality of the SAMOLED
and most importantly it works under bright sunlight
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if it was not for it, there are tons of better choices for an Android phone
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You think so?
They can't write Super AMOLED on the specs and sell a LCD, can you add some pictures of the screen?
I'd be surprised if you have a slcd screen! When the phone is off does your screen have a dark blue(ish) tinge to it? It does look different from a simple amoled screen, did some one tell you from carphone warehouse that it was scld?
This is very unlikely, surely?
As someone has said, the SAMOLED screen is one of the major selling points. If it didn't have it, I'd probably stick with my Desire HD!
It's almost like swapping in a 600mhz CPU and selling it.
Are you sure it is SLCD?
Do we have a really solid way to check this?
Probably by using image with different shades of black? Then turn the contrast to max or something.
Post comparison photo with your HTC Desire please ...
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Just picked up a new nexus s (new years eve) from carphonewarehouse in brighton and it has an SLCD. Is this common in uk as i thought it was just happening in russia etc..????
I have an AMOLED Desire so i can see a massive difference and about to return it. Any benefit in SLCD???
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Hey guys been checking out the specs of GS2 and I like it..they have not confirmed which CPU its using and it maybe Samsungs or tegra.
anyways I would actually get this since atrix will take ages before hits UK BUT and i mean BUT 4.3 inc screen is putting me off. 4" is just about acceptable for me. Also that size of a phone is going to reduce the total sale of the handset, Even my friends who work in phone stores say they find it hard to sell bigger screen phone's. SGS was ok to sell because it was light and not that much bigger in total size then an iphone but they found it hard to sell phone's like Desire HD especially to female customers. I have GS1 currently.
Any one else being put off by larger phone?
It has been comfirmed that its gonna be using Exynos in some regions and Tegra2 in other regions... same for the Super Amoled Plus screen. Some regoins will not get that.
As for the size my hands are big enough.
I would say if your hands arnt that big i wouldnt buy it. Its like someone with massive hands using the Galaxy Tab for a phone.. it just wont work.
no..............
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Hey guys been checking out the specs of GS2 and I like it..they have not confirmed which CPU its using and it maybe Samsungs or tegra.
anyways I would actually get this since atrix will take ages before hits UK BUT and i mean BUT 4.3 inc screen is putting me off. 4" is just about acceptable for me. Also that size of a phone is going to reduce the total sale of the handset, Even my friends who work in phone stores say they find it hard to sell bigger screen phone's. SGS was ok to sell because it was light and not that much bigger in total size then an iphone but they found it hard to sell phone's like Desire HD especially to female customers. I have GS1 currently.
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The difference in size between SGS1 and SGS2 is very small.
SGS2 is 2 mm wider, 3 mm longer but also thinner and lighter.
if only they release a 4.3 Exynos version and 4" tegra that would be sweet.. oh well gonna have to wait to see what else comes out soon.
I love big screen phones, using a desire hd and galaxy tab and tried once going back from 4.3 " to 4" and found that I very much prefer the bigger screen. Even though the battery on my dhd sucks the only reason I haven't switched phones yet is because I can't find any with the same screen size, but now that the galaxy 2 is coming I will get one to replace my dhd.
I'm actually eyeing the samsung infuse with the 4.5" screen but I don't think it will be released in europe :-(
Swyped from my sexy galaxy tab
I have a feeling this phone isn't gonna feel like a big screen phone, due to how thin and light it is. If your really worried just wait until you can paw one in the shops.
I hope atrix hits UK soon along with GS2 but in carphone warehouse, i have friends who can get 30% off
Steve Jobs, is that you?
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Well I own an hd2, which has a 4.3" screen. It isn't big, and I have the hands of a teenage girl. It fits nicely, and isn't much of a nuisance in my pocket either. So I dun think you should really worry about the 4.3" screen.
Also, according to the Engadget article, the bezel is very small, so you get a lot of screen without carrying a cinder block around.
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Certainly the size will be offputting to some, not me though.
Interesting that the increased screen size seems to be because of the real stripe matrix in use here, doesn't bode well for Samsung adopting qHD anytime soon does it?
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Certainly the size will be offputting to some, not me though.
Interesting that the increased screen size seems to be because of the real stripe matrix in use here, doesn't bode well for Samsung adopting qHD anytime soon does it?
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I personally find the retina display and qHD nothing more than just a marketing gimmick.
When I had my 800x480 Desire next to my girlfriend's iPhone 4 I couldn't see the benefit of it. Websites often fit on the screen when in desktop mode, but most things were too small to read and I had to zoom in anyway just like I would have had to do on my Desire. The rest looked pretty much the same. But who knows, maybe it's just that my eyes suck.
In the end, I'd rather have a display that is better at saving battery rather than showing me detail which my eyes can't see.
I like higher resolutions for browsing/document display, more important with a view to HDMI mirroring, qHD on a screen this size should be able to display text that is readable fully zoomed out, so I don't buy it as just a marketing gimmick. Its not a biggy in terms of this phone, but when qHD becomes more standard and more apps are customised for it then it may become an issue, but thats really a worry for future handsets.
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I personally find the retina display and qHD nothing more than just a marketing gimmick.
When I had my 800x480 Desire next to my girlfriend's iPhone 4 I couldn't see the benefit of it. Websites often fit on the screen when in desktop mode, but most things were too small to read and I had to zoom in anyway just like I would have had to do on my Desire. The rest looked pretty much the same. But who knows, maybe it's just that my eyes suck.
In the end, I'd rather have a display that is better at saving battery rather than showing me detail which my eyes can't see.
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Iphone4 has much better battery life the desire, i had one for 5 months. retina display is the best overall quality display in terms of image and text quality. I'm an Android person and since i buy my handsets off line, i pay the higher prices for phones but any one says that there is a better display then iphone4's is talking crap because they just hate apple or they cant tell difference due to their eye sight.
Any screen that uses Pentile Matrix to me sucks, I love how amoled works but pentile sucks.
With qHD using pentile well i'd rather use super amoled plus but would need to see it inhand. Pentile is what is found on amoled and super amoled like desire/SGS, the text look poor when zoomed out and fuzzy with 800x480 resolution you normally shouldnt have to zoom in to see text on a 4" but you do. For me text looked better on desire then SGS because it was 3.7" at same resolution so the pentile was squeezed together in 3.7” .
I’v had iphone 4, desire, SGS and nokia n900 in front of me at once and I would honestly say websites and text looked great on n900 and you can read without zooming (landscape mode on all). Iphone4 image quality and text is fantastic you don’t even see a pixel due to the density. On desire and SGS you can see each dot that makes up a text or icon on desktop. But videos look great on super amoled and blacks well they look great as the led are turned off.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PenTile_matrix_family
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I like higher resolutions for browsing/document display, more important with a view to HDMI mirroring, qHD on a screen this size should be able to display text that is readable fully zoomed out, so I don't buy it as just a marketing gimmick. Its not a biggy in terms of this phone, but when qHD becomes more standard and more apps are customised for it then it may become an issue, but thats really a worry for future handsets.
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The HDMI mirroring and a higher resolution screen is a fair point. I know that when playing video it should output it in the video's resolution (so no mirroring), but I wonder how it deals with pictures.
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Iphone4 has much better battery life the desire, i had one for 5 months. retina display is the best overall quality display in terms of image and text quality. I'm an Android person and since i buy my handsets off line, i pay the higher prices for phones but any one says that there is a better display then iphone4's is talking crap because they just hate apple or they cant tell difference due to their eye sight.
Any screen that uses Pentile Matrix to me sucks, I love how amoled works but pentile sucks.
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Yeah, it does have a better battery life. The multitasking on iOS is more limited than on Android, so there's a better guarantee that there won't be things running in the background that are eating the battery away, and the CPU is down-clocked too. Furthermore they use Li-Pol batteries, which is something that I'd like to see on other devices too. However it is well known that AMOLED screens consume significantly less energy than any other screen technology available at the moment, so if you stuck one into an iPhone the battery would be even better.
But seriously, aren't you taking all this a bit too personally? I'm no Apple hater, not sure why you made me one. Just because I had an opinion that differs from yours? Well, how mature. I was merely stating what I found out when I was playing with the two devices, didn't imply that what I said was the holy grail and the only truth.
Not taking it personally but i just adding some information and my views
I was right, you are Steve Jobs.
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I was right, you are Steve Jobs.
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You think you're a funny guy? Go be funny somewhere else, useless post to increase post count...
tegra 2 equipped will come to US .
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Strong opinion follows:
Wow, shocked.
The Galaxy SIII uses a pentile matrix, while the SII does not. The HTC One X does not either. The presence of a pentile matrix is something that most people dislike, for those who are new to the terms. It refers to a for lack of a better term, pixelated effect/screen door/slightly blurry/piezzo electric type of effect. People have a hard time describing it, but know it when they see it.
The HTC One X, a direct competitor to the S3, is receiving heaps of praise for its screen. In fact, many sites are calling it the nicest screen that they have ever seen on a smartphone (Anandtech and many other reputable sites).
I have seen the HTC One X, and it is without a doubt the nicest screen that I have ever seen as well. The iPhone 4/4S is STILL equally good, but it's just that it's 3.5 inches.
Anyway, I can not believe that Samsung would seemingly go backwards. In choosing the pentile matrix, which even before today had clearly been positioned as a less expensive screen, Samsung has sealed the One X as the phone to get for smartphone afficionados. Maybe not for the general public, but in my informal testing, everyone has noticed the pentile matrix.
As you can tell, I really loathe the pentile matrix, even at 1280x720p. I've used an iPhone before, so maybe I am spoiled, but I don't think it's too demanding to ask for a nice screen if you're willing to pay for a flagship device. After all, these devices are 90% screen. It's what you stare at and what you touch all day. I've also felt that the Samsung screens are too vibrant (not a big deal to me), but also too dim. As such, they probably could get better battery life purely b/c the max nits in the SII was only 300 nits vs 500 nits for the iphone 4 and one x.
Maybe Samsung has something else up its sleeve, but the S3 is to me no longer the phone to get. The One X with the Snapdragon 4 is definitely the way to go.
For Samsung's sake I hope that they did some market research regarding the effect of a pentile display on their flagship phone before deciding to cut corners.
I was all over the Galaxy Nexus until I saw the pentile. Waited for the S3 b/c surely that would have a premium display.
Sorry, self edit: there are more important things in life, but not as far as smartphones go :>
well, I also hoped for non pentile screen but it seems that right now it's not possible to make HD screens with non-pentile, if it was possible to make HD screens with real RGB then they would do that... and the One X use Tegra 3 not S4.
if you have used pentile before like on the original SGS1 or the Galaxy Nexus, (old HTC Desire, or several Nokia phones) and you liked it, then you'll love it
if you did not like it back then, you will not like it now, as simple as that.
I was hooked since SGS1
its it possible to notice the difference between non pentile and pentile screens at 720p?
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its it possible to notice the difference between non pentile and pentile screens at 720p?
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it's a lot less noticeable, due the smaller concentration of pixels
but people with sensitive eyes for Green / Blue will still get annoyed by the pentile screen purplish, bluish or greenish hue, which i don't see it unless i put the screen 45 degree to the left or to the right
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its it possible to notice the difference between non pentile and pentile screens at 720p?
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My opinion:
Definitely noticeable by everyone. Without question.
What varies is how much the effect bothers you, but will you see it, yes. Even on a 720p display.
If they made two identical versions of the S3, one with and one without the pentile, and cost was identical, service plan was identical, and let people see both before buying, my thinking is that 10 out of 10 people would choose the S3 without a pentile matrix.
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its it possible to notice the difference between non pentile and pentile screens at 720p?
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yes it is at a close distance. it sounds all good in spec but at rendering videos i don't know why Samsung always gets it wrong with pentile display. every time its supercurio who we have to turn to due to Samsung's incompitance.
lamenramen said:
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Wow, shocked.
The Galaxy SIII uses a pentile matrix, while the SII does not.
The HTC One X, which is receiving heaps of praise, especially for its screen being the nicest many have ever seen on a smartphone (according to Anandtech and many other reputable sites), does not use a pentile matrix screen (not even the same screen tech).
I have seen the HTC One X, and it is without a doubt the nicest screen that I have ever seen as well. The iPhone 4/4S is STILL equally good, but it's just that it's 3.5 inches.
Anyway, I can not believe that Samsung would seemingly go backwards. In choosing the pentile matrix, which even before today had clearly been positioned as a less expensive screen, Samsung has sealed the One X as the phone to get for smartphone afficionados. Maybe not for the general public, but in my informal testing, everyone has noticed the pentile matrix.
As you can tell, I really loathe the pentile matrix, even at 1280x720p. I've used an iPhone before, so maybe I am spoiled, but I don't think it's too demanding to ask for a nice screen if you're willing to pay for a flagship device. After all, these devices are 90% screen. It's what you stare at and what you touch all day. I've also felt that the Samsung screens are too vibrant (not a big deal to me), but also too dim. As such, they probably could get better battery life purely b/c the max nits in the SII was only 300 nits vs 500 nits for the iphone 4 and one x.
Maybe Samsung has something else up its sleeve, but the S3 is to me no longer the phone to get. The One X with the Snapdragon 4 is definitely the way to go.
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Took the words right out of my mouth.
Deal breaker. Check in galaxy note forum for pentile screen issues, banding & black clipping/distortion in videos.
I.switched to one x from note especially for black clipping in videos.
For info, Note is also using pentile hd screen.
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why not wait for an official review/comparison before judging by ourselves?
Major killer point for the SGS3 IMO. Not impressed with Samusng. So much hype for this phone. And it disappoints.
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Major killer point for the SGS3 IMO. Not impressed with Samusng. So much hype for this phone. And it disappoints.
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Its not Samsung who dissapoint its the press and fans who do that for themselves. Same thing happens with Apple for each iPhone. This phone will sell in the millions regardless, its the iPhone of the Android world now.
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i think if the One X hade a removable batterie and a SD Card it would be a SGS Killer
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... and the One X use Tegra 3 not S4.
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But the One XL uses S4 Just forgot to say it
This is a super phone. The Note had a great screen. If that's what you call pentile, then it's a great screen
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My opinion:
Definitely noticeable by everyone. Without question.
What varies is how much the effect bothers you, but will you see it, yes. Even on a 720p display.
If they made two identical versions of the S3, one with and one without the pentile, and cost was identical, service plan was identical, and let people see both before buying, my thinking is that 10 out of 10 people would choose the S3 without a pentile matrix.
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I don't notice it.
But some do, they say once you see it, you can't unsee it, but since I don't, it won't be a factor in my decision.
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The features of Samsungs touchwiz is what is going to set it apart. I played with a one x today and was sold it is an extremely solid phone, however im gonna wait and see what the AT&T gs3 is like before buying. I also want a phone with a large dev support/community.
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at resolution as high as these, they're not that noticeable
Pixel density is too high
I'm guessing super amoled HD plus is still too expensive..the galaxy tab 7.7 has it..
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htc fan89 said:
I'm guessing super amoled HD plus is still too expensive..the galaxy tab 7.7 has it..
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Yes Its on my Tab 7.7
By far the nicest screen I have seen on any device.
Probably is too expensive.