I contacted the moderator:
I have the strangest suspicion that this member, kp263 was trying a scam on me. I posted a message regarding help to fix my bricked LG D858HK, and kp263 contacted me by private messaging requesting. After I sent my number, I received a message, saying; I'm always offline on WhatsApp. I responded; I normally turn my phone off 12.00 am to 8.00 am UK time because I don't want to be disturb at those times when sleeping, but I'm available all the other times. I also mentioned; I'm using another phone, as the LG is bricked (of course). I started to get suspicious and asked; how are you going to repair phone in the UK when you're in India? But, I didn't get a reply, so I contact him again. So he informed me that was away for a few days.
Could this member have been leading me on to a scam? Check this member out - could be dangerous...! But Moderator doesn't seem to be concerned...
Moderator's comments: Cannot act on speculation. Add member to your ignore list and seek reputable verified help in the future.
My response to moderator:
Speculation!? As a moderator, you don't seem to be concerned regarding the safety of users on your site! This dude wanted to gain access and control my PC and could have stolen information via a piece of software he wanted me to install, and you're not concern about that!? Or, could it be that he may be connected with you/your site?
The problem is with my phone, so why did he wanted to access my PC? Why didn't he send me the instruction by private message (like I asked him to), or better yet, publicly, so that others can see, who may be experiencing same or similar problems, so they can refer it his cure? Why didn't he respond to several questions...I'd put to him regarding my concern of him accessing my PC?
If you're not going to check him out, I'll have to make this public so that others can be aware of this
Soundboy said:
I contacted the moderator:
I have the strangest suspicion that this member, kp263 was trying a scam on me. I posted a message regarding help to fix my bricked LG D858HK, and kp263 contacted me by private messaging requesting. After I sent my number, I received a message, saying; I'm always offline on WhatsApp. I responded; I normally turn my phone off 12.00 am to 8.00 am UK time because I don't want to be disturb at those times when sleeping, but I'm available all the other times. I also mentioned; I'm using another phone, as the LG is bricked (of course). I started to get suspicious and asked; how are you going to repair phone in the UK when you're in India? But, I didn't get a reply, so I contact him again. So he informed me that was away for a few days.
Could this member have been leading me on to a scam? Check this member out - could be dangerous...! But Moderator doesn't seem to be concerned...
Moderator's comments: Cannot act on speculation. Add member to your ignore list and seek reputable verified help in the future.
My response to moderator:
Speculation!? As a moderator, you don't seem to be concerned regarding the safety of users on your site! This dude wanted to gain access and control my PC and could have stolen information via a piece of software he wanted me to install, and you're not concern about that!? Or, could it be that he may be connected with you/your site?
The problem is with my phone, so why did he wanted to access my PC? Why didn't he send me the instruction by private message (like I asked him to), or better yet, publicly, so that others can see, who may be experiencing same or similar problems, so they can refer it his cure? Why didn't he respond to several questions...I'd put to him regarding my concern of him accessing my PC?
If you're not going to check him out, I'll have to make this public so that others can be aware of this
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you should never give out your number and install software you don't know what it does.
Use common sense, you made a mistake to give out your number and if you installed software you don't know what it does nobody else to blame but yourself.
Sorry to sound harsh but you need to be careful what you do as well and protect yourself
DJ_MiX said:
you should never give out your number and install software you don't know what it does.
Use common sense, you made a mistake to give out your number and if you installed software you don't know what it does nobody else to blame but yourself.
Sorry to sound harsh but you need to be careful what you do as well and protect yourself
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I'm sure there are novices that use this site that doesn't know the risks... But, I'm not a novice as far as the internet is concerned. I know the dangers and this why I didn't download the software and questioned the dude.
So I'm in a jam with my phone and asked for some genuine help and was hoping I would get it in return, at least so I thought. These scammers should look into by the moderator/s and not ignored but rooted out; because not everyone would be aware of this sort of practice on xda, and is not a matter of common sense. Are you saying you've never given a stranger your mobile number? I sure you have. So where is your common sense that? :silly:
Soundboy said:
I contacted the moderator:
I have the strangest suspicion that this member, kp263 was trying a scam on me. I posted a message regarding help to fix my bricked LG D858HK, and kp263 contacted me by private messaging requesting. After I sent my number, I received a message, saying; I'm always offline on WhatsApp. I responded; I normally turn my phone off 12.00 am to 8.00 am UK time because I don't want to be disturb at those times when sleeping, but I'm available all the other times. I also mentioned; I'm using another phone, as the LG is bricked (of course). I started to get suspicious and asked; how are you going to repair phone in the UK when you're in India? But, I didn't get a reply, so I contact him again. So he informed me that was away for a few days.
Could this member have been leading me on to a scam? Check this member out - could be dangerous...! But Moderator doesn't seem to be concerned...
Moderator's comments: Cannot act on speculation. Add member to your ignore list and seek reputable verified help in the future.
My response to moderator:
Speculation!? As a moderator, you don't seem to be concerned regarding the safety of users on your site! This dude wanted to gain access and control my PC and could have stolen information via a piece of software he wanted me to install, and you're not concern about that!? Or, could it be that he may be connected with you/your site?
The problem is with my phone, so why did he wanted to access my PC? Why didn't he send me the instruction by private message (like I asked him to), or better yet, publicly, so that others can see, who may be experiencing same or similar problems, so they can refer it his cure? Why didn't he respond to several questions...I'd put to him regarding my concern of him accessing my PC?
If you're not going to check him out, I'll have to make this public so that others can be aware of this
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Do you mean this user https://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=7532374 ?
Do you have any idea how many accusations are made similar to this on this site of almost 8 million users? So YES we need proof of wrong doing. The message you reported was a simple Whatsapp request. No where did he ask for access to your computer. He did suggest he could fix your problem with Teamviewer. Generally these members are not scammers but are trying to sell you their repair service. When we have proof of attempted sales, then the accounts are removed.
Thank you for bringing this member to our attention and adding to our investigation already in progress.
Have a nice day.
KennyG123 said:
Do you mean this user https://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=7532374 ?
Do you have any idea how many accusations are made similar to this on this site of almost 8 million users? So YES we need proof of wrong doing. The message you reported was a simple Whatsapp request. No where did he ask for access to your computer. He did suggest he could fix your problem with Teamviewer. Generally these members are not scammers but are trying to sell you their repair service. When we have proof of attempted sales, then the accounts are removed.
Thank you for bringing this member to our attention and adding to our investigation already in progress.
Have a nice day.
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This dude was shady... If I wasn't alert and aware of these type of scams and fraud, I would have let him have his wicked way and could have scammed me. I not gonna deal with someone in India when am in the UK and especially the way he wanted me too. No way!
As a good and responsible citizen and trying to help to stomp out scamming and fraud, my original message to you was to make you aware of the situation..., but your replied was sarcastically... When I get scamming emails and forward them on to the banks, etc, they thank me for informing them - unlike you. Your statement above (Thank you for bringing this member...) would have been just nice in the first place. There is another guy on your team (who was very nice - not sarcastic) that I sent the message to in the first place but he instructed me to contact the moderator because he didn't deal with that area. So, it seems that there are nice guys amongst you all.
Soundboy said:
This dude was shady... If I wasn't alert and aware of these type of scams and fraud, I would have let him have his wicked way and could have scammed me. I not gonna deal with someone in India when am in the UK and especially the way he wanted me too. No way!
As a good and responsible citizen and trying to help to stomp out scamming and fraud, my original message to you was to make you aware of the situation..., but your replied was sarcastically... When I get scamming emails and forward them on to the banks, etc, they thank me for informing them - unlike you. Your statement above (Thank you for bringing this member...) would have been just nice in the first place. There is another guy on your team (who was very nice - not sarcastic) that I sent the message to in the first place but he instructed me to contact the moderator because he didn't deal with that area. So, it seems that there are nice guys amongst you all.
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Sure...but as I said...they generally try to sell you a service under the radar of XDA moderators because selling of anything on this site is not allowed except in the paid app section. That is the shady part. We remove these types daily once we get evidence of them asking for money. The repair is usually legitimate. Thanks for adding to our evidence against this member.
So others thank you and do nothing, but I tell you we need evidence and then do something...which would you prefer. By the way I am still awaiting an answer to that PM.
@Soundboy There are many legitimate people out there that will help people through teamviewer out of the kindness of their heart. So next time present more evidence than a Whatsapp request and offer to go on teamviewer. Back in the Epic 4G days of 2011 I helped someone through it and know of another good friend that helped members through teamviewer all day long and only for whatever they wanted to donate to him, even if it was nothing. So your paranoia was insufficient to act on without evidence.
I 100% agree with @DJ_MiX . I can't believe I have to say this, but, this world is full of nefarious people out to do you harm. If you expect any website to be able to protect you from every single user, you are in for a shock. Welcome to the internet. :highfive:
Receiving a private message instead of answering your question publicly in the forums should have been a large red flag and warning sirens for you. That's like getting cold called at your house and the person asking for financial information.
These forums are not for one-on-one help. They are for public questions, answers, and discussions so that everyone benefits. I personally would only use private messaging with users who have a long history on the forums. And even then, there's rarely a reason to do so.
You seem nice and you seem like you mean well, just be vigilant and do your due diligence whenever possible. Evil folks prey on the naive. I will personally not be able to help you out with your particular issue, but good luck!
Paranoia
KennyG123 said:
@Soundboy There are many legitimate people out there that will help people through teamviewer out of the kindness of their heart. So next time present more evidence than a Whatsapp request and offer to go on teamviewer. Back in the Epic 4G days of 2011 I helped someone through it and know of another good friend that helped members through teamviewer all day long and only for whatever they wanted to donate to him, even if it was nothing. So your paranoia was insufficient to act on without evidence.
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Maybe paranoia... But you haven't seen my messages I sent to him via Whatsapp, asking for his legitimacy... But of no surprise, he didn't respond to them.
AlwaysLucky said:
I 100% agree with @DJ_MiX . I can't believe I have to say this, but, this world is full of nefarious people out to do you harm. If you expect any website to be able to protect you from every single user, you are in for a shock. Welcome to the internet. :highfive:
Receiving a private message instead of answering your question publicly in the forums should have been a large red flag and warning sirens for you. That's like getting cold called at your house and the person asking for financial information.
These forums are not for one-on-one help. They are for public questions, answers, and discussions so that everyone benefits. I personally would only use private messaging with users who have a long history on the forums. And even then, there's rarely a reason to do so.
You seem nice and you seem like you mean well, just be vigilant and do your due diligence whenever possible. Evil folks prey on the naive. I will personally not be able to help you out with your particular issue, but good luck!
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I'm always aware and suspicious about private messages, emails, letters and phone calls I get from people I don't know offering their services, e.g. like paying upfront. I always tell them to take a hike! I get them all the time; even from these pretty-young-nice-figure-babes on facebook. It's like; "You're a gorgeous babe; but why you want to friend an old fart like me, old enough to be your granddad or even your great grandad?" They're gone, man! So yes; I'm an internet savvy and on the money! :highfive:
My initial message was only to make you guys aware... I do it all the time; forwarding suspicious contacts to Banks, PayPal, Facebook and Action Fraud. I'm only just trying to make the world a bit safer
Respond to your PM
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Sure...but as I said...they generally try to sell you a service under the radar of XDA moderators because selling of anything on this site is not allowed except in the paid app section. That is the shady part. We remove these types daily once we get evidence of them asking for money. The repair is usually legitimate. Thanks for adding to our evidence against this member.
So others thank you and do nothing, but I tell you we need evidence and then do something...which would you prefer. By the way I am still awaiting an answer to that PM.
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Regarding your PM... I've already responded to it yesterday via reply to the email. But since it seems you haven't received it, here it is again: I did google Teamviewer...and that is why I didn't download it to my PC. And yes, I do get lots of Prince in Nigeria..., etc, etc and phone calls too but I don't fall for them. So no, not foolish. I'm not new to the internet but on your site. In fact, I'm a savvy on the internet and know of the dangers.
The account countfox: because when I first join I made a spelling mistake with my username and after about 4 times of asking Brendon to edited he failed to deal with it, so I set up another account. But it was changed by another person in the end after I contacted him. So, I kept on using Soundboy because my message was already on it. If there was a way for me to edit or delete them myself I would have done so instead of relying on you guys. Anyway, you can delete both of them because they no use to me now.
Cheers!
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sorry , i'm really apologize
what is it ?
yeah, I have seen it the whole day now, but I will not touch it until I now what it is and what it does
Scary stuff :wink:
It's Novosec Smartfilter 1.1, cracked, and it should not be here. Mods, could you take this off?
For anybody interested in testing this software and is unsure of the operator code for their service provider, which is needed to make this work, go to this link where you will find a list of provider codes.
http://www.techbitz.co.uk/mobile/secrets/servicecodes.htm
This is an interesting piece of software, it comes with little information but once it is working it does what it says. I tested it by putting my home number on block, tried ringing my xda from my (blocked) home number and got the response, "it has not been possible to connect your call, please try later", if my answer service was enabled it would have switched over to that. You can have lots of different profiles with diferent numbers blocked or allowed, you can also block unknown numbers, witheld numbers etc.
Its a great post and a great software i suggest keeping it plz. We need such posts...
thanks
Compleet list of Operator codes
If you try it on my phone it activates the the ignor button is that correct?
Looking for the compleet list look here:
http://www.funsms.net/service_provider_code_list.htm
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Greatings and keep up the good work 8)
Hey all...
this program looks like just wut I need (some old lady won't stop calling me)
Im in the US...and all i seen on the Service Provider List were PCS....I have Tmobile...is there a way for me to utilize this prog?
ThanX
Hi all,
It's nice s/w ... However there are 2 missing features:
1. How can you add a number not in your contact list ?
2. There is no context menu either in contact list or calls history like"Add to Smart Filter" .... CallerFirewall has this one.
one minor comment ... Magic Button actually close the application instead of only keep it in the back ground. I think the author should have developed it to use system thread instead of normal application thread.
The display of a blocked call as a missed call is great idea ... I thought I won't be informed in any way but found it useful ... at least to apologize later when I 'm reachable
Yeah does anyone have it working on TMobile US?
Actually got mine to work....just put in 1 in country code and left provider blank.
COPYRIGHT INFRIGEMENT
COPYRIGHT INFRIGEMENT
Dear webmasters of xda-developers.com,
:arrow: REMOVE THE FILE ABOVE IMMEDIATELY.
You haven't responded to any of our emails. This is your last chance. In case this file is not removed within the next 24 hours we have to report an offence to the police in order to close your site.
If you are going to provide any of our software (which is under copyright) in future we will proceed this necessary step without any further notice.
It is not our problem, that your users can upload anything. You have to ensure that your site will not infringe our copyrights.
In addition to this we will proceed against the user who uploaded this file.
Maik Stohn
NOVOSEC
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stohn said:
COPYRIGHT INFRIGEMENT
Dear webmasters of xda-developers.com,
:arrow: REMOVE THE FILE ABOVE IMMEDIATELY.
You haven't responded to any of our emails. This is your last chance. In case this file is not removed within the next 24 hours we have to report an offence to the police in order to close your site.
If you are going to provide any of our software (which is under copyright) in future we will proceed this necessary step without any further notice.
It is not our problem, that your users can upload anything. You have to ensure that your site will not infringe our copyrights.
In addition to this we will proceed against the user who uploaded this file.
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LOL!
Here is free speech forum!
If you don't like the forum, please go away! Or filing legal action again the India guy who posted the software!
Who cares your copyright!
Copyright means everybody has Right to Copy!
Hello,
FREE SPEECH, hopefully not a WAREZ SITE!
Maik Stohn
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Maik - A PR genius
Message e-mailed to the brainiac:
Maik,
You aren't the brightest, obviously. Somebody posted your software to a site that has very targeted very significant traffic... of all people that carry an expensive device and are interested in software enhancements, incidentally the market you are trying to pursue.
Oh so let's see what your PR genuis does... (PR = public relations, an entirely foreign concept to you, no doubt):
So you go on there and post threatening messages. Instead of turning the challenge into an opportunity (ie. implementing better copy protection, releasing a new version, getting user feedback, etc) your minimal amount of cranial content came up with just posting threats. I had looked at your site and entertained the possibility of trying out your product but after reading that abnoxious post I decided otherwise.
I advocate against funding beligerent dimwits who go put threats on a community board that's supported by a bunch of guys at no cost and in their spare time. Again, in case the general tone of my message didn't convey my personal sentiments... I think you are a complete moron.
Good Day.
you tell him wayandrs :twisted:
The more we speak about it, the more it will be downloaded, any proper feedback on this software - any bugs :lol:
I'm very sorry about it, but now I'm realy sure.
The main intention of this board is to tell developers to kick the XDA/MDA platform.
I wonder what NAH6.com will say about hosting
XDA-(WAREZ)-DEVELOPERS.COM
Maik
to wayandrs:
You are right. I'm not the brightest. I should be glad that my software is here for free. It doesn't matter if I can't pay my bills. But I have to be glad that you take my work and use it. How can I use this scheme to build a house? Please teach me.
Stohn, believe it or not, it can be a good idea to have a program out that has no restrictions so that a potential user can fully evaluate it and discover its usefulness, if it is found to be useful I know many people that will then buy the full retail version because they can be sure that the software fits the purpose. Crippled and time limited software prevents this evaluation process. I know that some people will never pay for something they can get for free, that is a fact of life but there are also many that will pay because they are thankful that their tasks are made easier by the programmer/author of the software.
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Stohn, believe it or not, it can be a good idea to have a program out that has no restrictions so that a potential user can fully evaluate it and discover its usefulness, if it is found to be useful I know many people that will then buy the full retail version because they can be sure that the software fits the purpose. Crippled and time limited software prevents this evaluation process. I know that some people will never pay for something they can get for free, that is a fact of life but there are also many that will pay because they are thankful that their tasks are made easier by the programmer/author of the software.
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Stohn,
I agree with, and respect your right to protect your intellectual property. My own livelihood depends upon it, as I develop web-based applications which are in use by thousands of people. However, the way you have publically handled this scenario is, IMHO, not the best way to have done it. Similar incidences that have occured in the past have taught me that privately contacting the parties concerned meets with positive results.
just take a look at PocketZenPhone to see what we mean by free software http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=6162 - this is free and being developed/ improved daily (even hourly) by the developer (Zendrui) from the feedback the users are providing to him; of which, I am one (very happy one, as well)... I have little doubt that Zendrui will come to a point where he will provide features in a Pro version that we would gladly pay money for.
Perhaps providing a lite version would be a way of collecting useful feedback about your product, which can then be built into a Pro version. This has been done for years, and has likely been done so because it works; for the users and developer alike.
To use a collective term such as Warez, or even hint that we all are interested in this line of illegal activity is very dangerous for you, and opens you up to legal proceedings for slander. Sure, we are hackers, but not crackers, warez junkies or any other descriptive for which your comment was intended.
We meet here because we like the technology, we like to see how it works, what makes it tick, and to see how much further we can utilise the technology that we hold in our hands.
This community is so damn innovative and cooperative, it amazes me what software/ROMS get cooked here which really add a lot of productivity value to me, transforming a tedious, hard-to-read Windows Mobile User Interface into a tool that really works on the go. And I've been equally impressed by the collaborative spirit of this community in problem solving and feature tweeks.
Thus I am curious if there is an organized policy here that helps us end-users deter the scammers who grab software from XDA-developers, bundle it, and sell it across the web. I'm speaking of a prominent spot on the home page and within the information design of these forums that, just like the "Missing Kids" alerts on milk cartons, highlights prominently the latest scammers stealing work here.
I understand this forum is for actual development, but truth is this issue gets lost in "General" forums. Because it's the people who hack here who are the people being hurt directly.
Though I signed onto XDA over a year ago, and have read volumes re my T-mobile MDA and software upgrades here, I ended up being nonetheless too nervous to follow the very clear instructions posted last year with all if the various WM 6 roms developed here. And I never did upgrade.
But I have a WING now, and I wanted an iphone theme and user interface. Again I read all the sticky threads for the Herald, as well as the links from the wiki for that specific phone. After several days of trying to figure out "should I be first flashing my T-mobile ROM to a more efficient one, before then seeking to install one of the iphone themes and apps like A_C's S2U2 etc. I then did a dumb consumer thing: when searching this site using Google, I followed the links to one or two of the GOOGLE AD-WORDS hawking an iPhone theme on your PocketPC.
Long story short, I got scammed of $10 for something that was outdated and didn't even install properly on my WING... But I'd been "comforted" by the presentation on their website, http://iphonethemeforpocketpc.com , thinking I would get my head cleared of the confusion that mounts when I'd dig down deep into the many discussions of so many ROMs & themes & apps here. I got burned, that was bad enough. But it then pissed me off doubly that superior software would be found here at XDA -- and more than likely some of that guy's component cab files were simply stolen from developers right here.
I ended up back here and successfully installed the ifonz theme, A_C's S2U2 (the scam site had an old slide2unlock version... bit as everyone here knows, A_C's app is superb. I also installed Contact Manager (amazing!), PCM keyboard (what an improvement over windows), and MortPlayer (fantastic). I intend to donate to each program author.
But the purpose of this post is this: I filed a dispute with PayPal (requires login) over this scammer's non-working product and absolute refusal to even reply to my early "friendly" emails seeking install help. Went through PayPal's Resolution Center "escalation process" -- after no reply from the seller to PayPal -- and my dispute became a CLAIM for Paypal to determine outcome. PayPal's reply, denying the claim, states that they reviewed all communications and investigated the issue fully (totally not true).
I could have stopped there -- afterall i'd long ago expended way more than $10 worth of my time -- but it was for the principle of it. So I called PayPal, went through all the menu-options, screenings, and hold queues, and finally spoke to an actual Resolution Agent -- who was very nice, & actually very helpful.
However: I learned then, from her, what many of you may already know -- but I wonder DOES everyone know?, because I sure didn't... She told me that anything digital or downloadable is not even covered with any Buyer Protection as disclosed in PayPal's terms of service. So the claim got closed automatically because it didn't qualify for any dispute resolution. I was really surprised by this, that no downloadable software is subject to dispute/resolution policies -- and that's why I am writing this thread, as a service (I *hope*) to all you developers.
I first did a search here on the boards for "scams", because I wanted to find a place on this site to DISPLAY CLEARLY---> Here is a scamsite --> make sure your stuff is not being sold there. That's when I saw this sampling of threads, below, and had to wonder, is there a policy here that is clear and easy to find (NO! not that I can see!) that helps developers here by giving us end-users a place to post the hit-list of scammers on ebay, on iphonetheme websites, etc. ?
If so, I missed it in the information design here. If not, I recommend it. I know it burns you guys who are being ripped off -- but it also ticks off less-sophisticated community members like me (end-users of your hard work) to see your works exploited -- given especially their innovation and performance tweeks.
Here are just a few of the threads I found from this year, from March 08, where people reported being ripped off by people selling their works. In my view, I don't think that's enough or sufficient to just have someone start a thread saying "beware of X, Y or Z". And that's why I posted this. Thanks to all of you who make the lives of end-users more productive with your great work.
q/s
Name And Shame Ebayer Stealing Xdev Material
Bastards selling my Unlocker
Thief On The Loose At Hofo and possibly xda!
wow.. no reply. well i know i'm verbose, but i thought this would at least get a reply that explained yes/no if the site has designated a specific area to broadcast who are the current scammers operating out on he internets...
Should I be posting this into a different forum? if so, which one please/ thanks
As far as I know, there is no area warning about potential scams. There have been issues with people selling cooked roms on ebay that i'm aware of, but that normally comes up in model-specific forums.
it definitely could be helpful to have such an area on the forum, but at the same time, there have been many stickies informing people NOT to go out and sell other peoples work, and advising people against using warez and cracked programs.
Most people that have come to this forum realize there is no reason to pay for most software, as there's probably an excellent free or open source alternative. if there's not yet, someone's working on one. this forum is a mix of entusiasts, programmers, hackers, and people who just love to tweak their devices. once you come here and see the vast amounts of information, there's really no need to go anywhere else. i check the xda forums rather regularly, and pocketpcfreeware every now and again.
i don't think a scams section on the forum would help keep from people getting scammed elsewhere... they usually find this site after they've already been scammed. many of us have already taken it into our own hands, by trying to point as many people as we can here, so they can learn the beauty of free, well maintained software and roms made by people who just want to help others enjoy their devices more and more.
scammers are more like a disease... and prevention is the best medicine.
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As far as I know, there is no area warning about potential scams. There have been issues with people selling cooked roms on ebay that i'm aware of, but that normally comes up in model-specific forums.
it definitely could be helpful to have such an area on the forum, but at the same time, there have been many stickies informing people NOT to go out and sell other peoples work, and advising people against using warez and cracked programs.
Most people that have come to this forum realize there is no reason to pay for most software, as there's probably an excellent free or open source alternative. if there's not yet, someone's working on one. this forum is a mix of entusiasts, programmers, hackers, and people who just love to tweak their devices. once you come here and see the vast amounts of information, there's really no need to go anywhere else. i check the xda forums rather regularly, and pocketpcfreeware every now and again.
i don't think a scams section on the forum would help keep from people getting scammed elsewhere... they usually find this site after they've already been scammed. many of us have already taken it into our own hands, by trying to point as many people as we can here, so they can learn the beauty of free, well maintained software and roms made by people who just want to help others enjoy their devices more and more.
scammers are more like a disease... and prevention is the best medicine.
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There have been instances where its come to the attention of the community here and the developers of ROMS and programs that their work is being packaged and sold on ebay and the like. Obviously this behavior is viewed very negatively. While there is no policy or "organized" efforts to monitor and react, when someone does point out an instance, the community members rally around and do what they can to call the guy out, and warn potential scammees of it. Ebay is often notified directly, and also comments on the sellers postings on ebay are made to warn.
And yes, your post is verbose
Here's how the story goes:
I bought a brand new MDA Pro a few months ago. I tried to use it as a satnav with iGO but of course that was not possible because the 64mb RAM of the device was not enough. So I decided to upgrade to 128 mb of RAM and I started searching here in xda-developers. I read the section of the Wiki about upgrading and also I found a couple of threads. Well I found out that the best option for me was to send my device to a guy called SHAKAL007 who is located in Czech Repuplic which is the nearest to Greece where I live.
His name was in the wiki's list about the shops around the world that can do the RAM upgrade. I contacted him via email and he replied me immediately to all my questions after a few minutes (very suprising!). He told me that he would need a couple of days to finish the upgrade (software and hardware part) and that he wants 74 Euros for the upgrade and the chips including the P&P fees to send the pda back to me. I found the price very reasonable and agreed to pay him via Paypal immediately as he asked me and the next day I posted my precious device via registered mail.(How stupid I was that I paid extra money for registered post).
After a few days he told me that he received the device and as soon as possible he would do the upgrade and he would send me my pda back to me. I waited a few days but no news from SHAKAL007. I sent him another email asking him if he has finished the upgrade. A few days later he responded to my emails (in the meanwhile I had sent him a few more emails) and he told me that the hardware part of the upgrade has finished but he had a few “software” problems that he finally succeeded to solve and that he would send the pda back to me. That was all.
Please notice that the pda was sent to him on the 26th of November and after more than a whole month I have sent him tons of emails but get no response. In the beginning he claimed that he drives a truck and cannot be online because he is not home. Well I think that is a kind of trick so we dont bother him. That's all RUBBISH!!! I know that he logins in xda-developers all the time. And when I see he's online in xda-developers, I send him emails in his personal email address and of course I get no response but he is just keeping ignoring me.
Hey guys who is this SHAKAL007? As I can see he has only 4 posts since 2006 he became a member of our very helpful to everybody community and all of them are related to the upgrade. The posts are about advertising his business. So in my opinion, this guy has not offered anything to this community but he just uses it to make money and steal other people's devices. I dont know why but perhaps he sells them to Ebay(?). The most funny (or tragical) was that when I was sending all these emails and he was ignoring me I was sending him private messages here in xda-developers as theseas asking him about info on the upgrade. Of course he didnt know that "theseas" is the guy from Greece that has sent him his uni. So the same time that he was ignoring my emails, the same time he was answering me to all my (fake of course) questions here in xda-developers through private messages. Then I was started to think that SHAKAL007 is a SCAMMER because he was still looking for other victims to steal their devices, to do them what? Sell them to Ebay and make money?
I was the best customer and paid him promptly the same day via Paypal. Well SHAKAL007 is not only a SCAMMER but IMPUDENT because he asked me to pay him 74 Euros just to steal my device!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course I know that the mistake is mine and that I am responsible for that but I saw his ****ing name in the wiki. I thought he is confirmed. Who wrote his name in the wiki list, I suppose that he did it for himself.
Perhaps I am wrong but I feel that I had to open this thread just to share my bad experience with you and help you not to loose your pda and your money because as I told you he asks money too!!!!
Perhaps I am wrong but I told you exactly what has happened to me until now and all that I know and have seen about Him until now.
IF I AM WRONG AND WILL EVER RECEIVE MY DEVICE UPGRADED AND IN FULL WORKING ORDER THEN I WILL EDIT THIS POST AND APOLOGISE TO SHAKAL007. I THINK THIS IS FAIR FOR ME AND FOR HIM.
BUT FOR NOW MY ADVICE IS NOT SEND YOUR PRECIOUS UNIVERSAL TO THIS SCAMMER!!!!!!!
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this post is reserved for me and I will edit it to apologise to SHAKAL007 if I ever receive my device upgraded and in full working order.
That is very sad hearing about your device. Why dont you approch the Paypal customer support to file a fraud ? Paypal will have their local branches of the service provider to take a legal action. Try to include Paypal in this case as soon as possible. I think he should be banned from our beloved community if found guity.
Well as I can see right now SHAKAL007 signed in in xda-developers today and his last activity here was at 6:44 AM. Of course he has seen the thread because I have posted a visitor's message in his user profile but still no response even after opening a whole thread about him. Also still no response to my emails.
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That is very sad hearing about your device. Why dont you approch the Paypal customer support to file a fraud ? Paypal will have their local branches of the service provider to take a legal action. Try to include Paypal in this case as soon as possible. I think he should be banned from our beloved community if found guity.
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Dealt with Paypal after someone on these forums took my money and admitted he 'forgot' to send the Universal to me. I asked for my money to be returned to me, but he stopped contact and kept my money. Well, Paypal investigated, concluded in my favor and recovered.... USD 0.77 out of USD$150 I paid. And that was the end of it.
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Dealt with Paypal after someone on these forums took my money and admitted he 'forgot' to send the Universal to me. I asked for my money to be returned to me, but he stopped contact and kept my money. Well, Paypal investigated, concluded in my favor and recovered.... USD 0.77 out of USD$150 I paid. And that was the end of it.
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Thanx for your support. As you can see this SCAMMER doesn't ignore only me but ALL OF US who are honest and genuine members of this community. I suppose that he thinks that we ALL are stupid because after a whole thread that I have opened he keeps on ignoring us. As I told you maybe I am mistaken and I am wrong while accusing him. Why he doesnt post a reply just to protect himself and his business he has setup in our beloved forum?
PLEASE CHECK HIS USER PROFILE AND NOTICE THAT HE LOGGED IN TODAY and his last activity was at 6:44 AM.
His user profile: http://forum.xda-developers.com/member.php?u=276576&vmid=8281
Diamond owner here, but couldn't help but notice this thread as I was scrolling down. This is his supposed address taken from the guest comments in his user profile. The road doesn't seem to match up with the area he mentioned:
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&h....077646&spn=0.003338,0.010514&z=17&iwloc=addr
Maybe someone can find his IP address and 'pay' him a visit?
EDIT: Just noticed the following. But street number doesn't match up with the provided address.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&h....081852&spn=0.053364,0.168228&z=13&iwloc=addr
EDIT2: To get the second result, just type 'vitezna' in Google Maps. Something's fishy. I don't understand the address standard of Czech Reublic so maybe a Czech guy can make sense of it.
Waow that sounded really strange. well i guess admins and mods should beaware of his ip incase he fleds his account and goes under another new account here at xda.. i hope you guys will manage to solve this mystery and i hope justice will be brought forward..
AS much as I sympathise with this situation we cannot allow sensitive info such as that posted to be on our forum. There isnt any evidence which shows beyond a doubt that this guy is a scammer, suggest further action is taken along the correct routes.
The info has been removed so xda-developers.com is not in any silly legal situations later on due to this thread. I trust members will comply with this small request?
Has anybody contacted the website host, ISP of the whois entry etc...??
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AS much as I sympathise with this situation we cannot allow sensitive info such as that posted to be on our forum. There isnt any evidence which shows beyond a doubt that this guy is a scammer, suggest further action is taken along the correct routes.
The info has been removed so xda-developers.com is not in any silly legal situations later on due to this thread. I trust members will comply with this small request?
Has anybody contacted the website host, ISP of the whois entry etc...??
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as i have already told to all of the guys here i thank them for their support. perhaps mrvanx's opinion to remove personal and sensitive info is correct but i dont think that it matters because all this information is in the section of the wiki about htc uni ram upgrade. this info has been provided by the xda member that has my device right now exactly for this reason: to be able to approach him so we can upgrade our devices. also you can find this info in his personal site which is dedicated to the upgrade. the link of this site is also in the wiki.
I also agree with mrvanx that we are not sure if this guy is a scammer. I have said it in my first post but until now from all i now and from all that has happened to me by him this guy is a scammer and for me he will be a scammer until the opposite will be proved. And the opposite for me is to get back my device upgraded and in full working order.
Hi all, sorry to hear the bad news, but jus my bit... Mods, wold it not be safe to "remove" shakals007´s name from the upgraders list in the wiki???
Again, just my bit, don´t mean to annoy anyone...
All the best and good luck in getting your device back...
Willy
Here are the steps you need to take if you paid by PayPal.
1. File a dispute claim with PayPal (You are allowed to do this for 45 days from the payment. After 45 days you are out of luck).
2. Go to the open dispute claim and then escalate the claim for PayPal review (You can escalate it any time after filling a dispute claim. The maximum time allowed is 20 days, after that you are out of luck).
3. He has to respond to PayPal. Describe your situation in the PayPal claim.
4. Either he has to ship the item to you with tracking number or you will get your money refunded.
Hope this is helpful!
KOR!
He will receive 74 euro refund and than what? Paypal will not cover the money that hasnt been sent through it...
My advice to theseas, try to go to your police station and report stolen phone to them with IMEI number of your uni if you have a box or a phone store bill... They have the authotiries to forward your request to the police in any EU country. It's a long shot but you never know...
I lost my uni last summer. I set on my scooter, put uni in front pocket and when I arrived to the destination uni was gone Real stupid, and tomake things worse i diddnt have the box with IMEI number so th police could find it easily in my country...
I have already filed a claim through Paypal but I also agree with Duke Nukem that Paypal isnt gonna give me my uni back but Paypal is just the first step. Have also sent again an email to SHAKAL007 and I hope to get a response this time. I am sure that he follows this thread, at least at weekend if he really works as a driver and is at home only at weekend as he has told me but this time he is not stupid to login with his user name. Perhaps I shouldnt have written that I know when he logins in xda-developers by watching his user profile. Now he knows and he wont use his account to login.
theseas said:
Here's how the story goes:
I bought a brand new MDA Pro a few months ago. I tried to use it as a satnav with iGO but of course that was not possible because the 64mb RAM of the device was not enough. So I decided to upgrade to 128 mb of RAM and I started searching here in xda-developers. I read the section of the Wiki about upgrading and also I found a couple of threads. Well I found out that the best option for me was to send my device to a guy called SHAKAL007 who is located in Czech Repuplic which is the nearest to Greece where I live.
His name was in the wiki's list about the shops around the world that can do the RAM upgrade. I contacted him via email and he replied me immediately to all my questions after a few minutes (very suprising!). He told me that he would need a couple of days to finish the upgrade (software and hardware part) and that he wants 74 Euros for the upgrade and the chips including the P&P fees to send the pda back to me. I found the price very reasonable and agreed to pay him via Paypal immediately as he asked me and the next day I posted my precious device via registered mail.(How stupid I was that I paid extra money for registered post).
After a few days he told me that he received the device and as soon as possible he would do the upgrade and he would send me my pda back to me. I waited a few days but no news from SHAKAL007. I sent him another email asking him if he has finished the upgrade. A few days later he responded to my emails (in the meanwhile I had sent him a few more emails) and he told me that the hardware part of the upgrade has finished but he had a few “software” problems that he finally succeeded to solve and that he would send the pda back to me. That was all.
Please notice that the pda was sent to him on the 26th of November and after more than a whole month I have sent him tons of emails but get no response. In the beginning he claimed that he drives a truck and cannot be online because he is not home. Well I think that is a kind of trick so we dont bother him. That's all RUBBISH!!! I know that he logins in xda-developers all the time. And when I see he's online in xda-developers, I send him emails in his personal email address and of course I get no response but he is just keeping ignoring me.
Hey guys who is this SHAKAL007? As I can see he has only 4 posts since 2006 he became a member of our very helpful to everybody community and all of them are related to the upgrade. The posts are about advertising his business. So in my opinion, this guy has not offered anything to this community but he just uses it to make money and steal other people's devices. I dont know why but perhaps he sells them to Ebay(?). The most funny (or tragical) was that when I was sending all these emails and he was ignoring me I was sending him private messages here in xda-developers as theseas asking him about info on the upgrade. Of course he didnt know that "theseas" is the guy from Greece that has sent him his uni. So the same time that he was ignoring my emails, the same time he was answering me to all my (fake of course) questions here in xda-developers through private messages. Then I was started to think that SHAKAL007 is a SCAMMER because he was still looking for other victims to steal their devices, to do them what? Sell them to Ebay and make money?
I was the best customer and paid him promptly the same day via Paypal. Well SHAKAL007 is not only a SCAMMER but IMPUDENT because he asked me to pay him 74 Euros just to steal my device!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Of course I know that the mistake is mine and that I am responsible for that but I saw his ****ing name in the wiki. I thought he is confirmed. Who wrote his name in the wiki list, I suppose that he did it for himself.
Perhaps I am wrong but I feel that I had to open this thread just to share my bad experience with you and help you not to loose your pda and your money because as I told you he asks money too!!!!
Perhaps I am wrong but I told you exactly what has happened to me until now and all that I know and have seen about Him until now.
IF I AM WRONG AND WILL EVER RECEIVE MY DEVICE UPGRADED AND IN FULL WORKING ORDER THEN I WILL EDIT THIS POST AND APOLOGISE TO SHAKAL007. I THINK THIS IS FAIR FOR ME AND FOR HIM.
BUT FOR NOW MY ADVICE IS NOT SEND YOUR PRECIOUS UNIVERSAL TO THIS SCAMMER!!!!!!!
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as to stolen PDA
Since user theseas me label as thief, I must render the meaning whole things. Unfortunately me heap more sad newsmaker at the same time plus hence I'm was capable user send his PDA earlier, send be him as far as this Saturday then 17. January. Geted near me namely to more things namely: partly I'm was capable his motherboard open on requisite level, further I'm like driver truck unfortunately quote on few weeks away from home plus could be but over his PDA read email post, but without translator I'm was unable on e - mail answer plus in the end I'm yet had to move so I'm in the end yet finished without joining the internet. In evidence here arrange refer to search consignments, where's parcel written into under document number EM 3094 5524 5 CZ
plus here’s legacy right on the page
http://www.cpost.cz/jetspeed/portal...id=AAA=ZJqIgBXoHOVXq0odzA?tntId=EM309455245CZ
SHAKAL007 said:
as to stolen PDA
Since user theseas me label as thief, I must render the meaning whole things. Unfortunately me heap more sad newsmaker at the same time plus hence I'm was capable user send his PDA earlier, send be him as far as this Saturday then 17. January. Geted near me namely to more things namely: partly I'm was capable his motherboard open on requisite level, further I'm like driver truck unfortunately quote on few weeks away from home plus could be but over his PDA read email post, but without translator I'm was unable on e - mail answer plus in the end I'm yet had to move so I'm in the end yet finished without joining the internet. In evidence here arrange refer to search consignments, where's parcel written into under document number EM 3094 5524 5 CZ
plus here’s legacy right on the page
http://www.cpost.cz/jetspeed/portal...id=AAA=ZJqIgBXoHOVXq0odzA?tntId=EM309455245CZ
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Thank god! Man you finally spoke to me! You answered to my last email that I sent you yesterday and you finally posted here to protect yourself. The only problem is that at least me I dont understand what you want to say because obviously you have used an automated translator. If it is possible rewrite this post using simple english like mine or ask a friend of yours that speaks english to help you. If anybody understands please help me guys.
Well I have said in this forum that I didnt like accusing you but tell me what you would do man if you had sent your pda and your money to someone that doesnt respond to your emails for a whole month. It's quite simple what you would think of him. As I can understand from your automate translated english you say that you were not online. No man you were online here quite often (I am not fool and nobody here is) and as I have said everytime I knew that you were online here in xda-developers I was sending you emails and you were ignoring me. Even the time that I opened this thread you logged in and of course you saw everything but even then you didnt say anything. Everybody knows that you were online that time. If you really had problems why you didnt tell me? Why you didnt tell me when I was almost begging you for an answer to my emails. I was begging you because I didnt want to open this thread. I am not sure that I would get an answer from you or my device (I havent received it yet) if i hadnt opened this thread. Well I dont have to dispute with you about anything, I dont really care anymore. The only thing that matters for me is to receive my device. And I am waiting for facts because I am tired of words. Words are for free, dont cost anything.
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...plus hence I'm was capable user send his PDA earlier, send be him as far as this Saturday then 17. January...
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I suppose here you mean that you apologise because you were NOT able to send the pda back to me earlier. Because 17th of January is quite late, it has been almost 2 months.
@SHAKAL007: you might just have cleaned your name Hope all goes well and theseas get's back his phone, he really have been concerned. I retreat my words and accusations. Due to your business i hope you could be more answerable when you get questions and find sometime to explain deadlines you will hold. that would make the customer more peacefull
well i do not understand your english fully by what you wrote on this thread but i believe you used a form of language translator on the internet..
many days have passed now .
what was the overall outcome ?
was he a tea leaf or just a bad businessman
I'm glad that it finished
Information about Delivery:
* Item posted on 17.01.2009 at the Post Office 78401 - Litovel.
* Item being transported to Office of Exchange.
* Item dispatched by Post Office 22000 - Praha 120 on 19.01.2009 to country of destination (Greece).
* Item was accepted on 19.01.2009 at the Office of Exchange in destination country (Greece).
* Item on 20.01.2009 released by Customs to postal net in destination country.
* Item was on 22.01.2009 delivered by Post Office in the country of destination (Greece).
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Maybe he really got caught up in bad circumstances, but what was he doing on this forum if he didn't have the translator to send you the messages
Is the device OK? Is there 128mb?
I really hope the mods dont close cause this needs to be out there....
I am starting this thread to try to help protect the developers work from scammers....
I ask that if you see someone trying to sell the work of the devs. via ebay craigslist or any other site that you report it in this thread to help stop them in there track.... Hopefully if they see there ads listed here when they come to steal the work they will stop trying to sell it....
This money belong to all the people that has made this all possible....
This is the latest ad I have found which is just wrong.....
Android on your HD2 - $75 (arlington)
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Date: 2010-07-27, 11:33AM CDT
Reply to: [email protected] [Errors when replying to ads?]
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i can make ur hd2 phone dual boot to have winmo and android on your phone both in working order i do have everything on a laptop and can meet to show you my working device and mod your device to match it...plz text (469)-684-8218 or reply to this email for questions !! price depends on your location and how far i have to drive
•Location: arlington
•it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial interests
PostingID: 1865976865
damn that is just wrong....and they even left their phone number...
http://cgi.ebay.com/HTC-HD2-Android...d=ViewItem&pt=Cell_Phones&hash=item3caf4d42c1
HTC HD2 Android 2.1 Installation Instructions
I am selling installation instructions for how to put Android 2.1on your HD2. I will give you step by step instructions on how to put a functioning Android ROM on your HTC HD2.
Android is what your HD2 has been waiting for. The current ROM's available are very stable and everything works-bluetooth, calling, email, text, data, Android Market--you just need to know how to do it!!
You are purchasing many hours of research condensed and compiled into easy to read instructions on three pieces of paper. i own the copyright to the instructions, and they are solely my research. I tell you where to go to get the files and then what to do with them to get it running on your HD2. Not breaking your phone and doing it right the first time is what this is about. I have created step by step instructions for you to read and follow, the rest is up to you.You should be up and running within an hour of receiving your instructions.
Please call text or email me with any questions you may have!!!
586-665-6669
I can also update you to the latest version of 2.2 Froyo upon request.
Other sellers may promise you Android on your HD2 which is only partially usable and experimental, but I will tell you how to install a fully functional, stable Android build.
If you are a seller and want to increase your HD2 selling price, let me help you sell for over $100 more per item with this advanced ROM.
We shall flood him with texts asking him to drive anywhere to install android. He ll loose his time and money
Sent from my Androihd2
that is just horrible! if anyone asked me, id do it for free and DEFINITELY tell them i didnt come up with this and give credit to those who did.
What these devs did is amazing and they seriously deserve the credit!
LAAAAAMEEEE!
I have had seen that on craislist add to, not to long ago but I have post tell all the craigslist shoper said that a guy who posted claiming that he could get android to run on HD2 for 40 dollar is a scammer, Cause I know it should be free and I have link the website to here xda-developer.
I don't think it right making money from other people work!!!
i suppose its fair to ask for money to drive to someone and give them a personal tuition on installing android and how to use it on your hd2.
i like to find information and figure things out by myself to do stuff.
some people arent very good at rooting out what they need to do but they are still capable of understanding something if someone sits down and explains it to them.
maybe it will bring some new people into the xda world. loads of people have an hd2 as an upgrade and dont know anything about it.
I feel that if credit is given freely where it is due, the *service* should be allowed.
Most people won't go put replacement parts on their car, and mechanics don't (generally) create their own parts from molten metal. That said, most mechanics also won't say that they DID create the parts from molten metal.
I haven't offered my services as a "phone mechanic" but if I did, AND posted links to the original works, AND made it clear that I was simply selling a service, would I be villified by the development community?
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I feel that if credit is given freely where it is due, the *service* should be allowed.
Most people won't go put replacement parts on their car, and mechanics don't (generally) create their own parts from molten metal. That said, most mechanics also won't say that they DID create the parts from molten metal.
I haven't offered my services as a "phone mechanic" but if I did, AND posted links to the original works, AND made it clear that I was simply selling a service, would I be villified by the development community?
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That's because people with no knowledge about cars should not tamper with their cars or they may cause some serious damage. Putting Android on the HD2 has no ill effects at all and does not warrant a $75 service charge or any at all. Something like this is as stupid as those idiots out there you see selling iPhone jailbreaks and unlocks when those are ridiculously easy as well and again cause no damage to the phone (except warranty voiding but that's to be expected).
hmm?
xfinrodx said:
I feel that if credit is given freely where it is due, the *service* should be allowed.
Most people won't go put replacement parts on their car, and mechanics don't (generally) create their own parts from molten metal. That said, most mechanics also won't say that they DID create the parts from molten metal.
I haven't offered my services as a "phone mechanic" but if I did, AND posted links to the original works, AND made it clear that I was simply selling a service, would I be villified by the development community?
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Please explain this to me - what kind of "service" would you offer? Downloading a rom build by someone else and extracting the file to a sd-card? And making false promises by telling your "customer" that android would be "fully functional" (there's no "fully functional" build out there!)? Wow very very impressive!!
And despite the fact that "your service" is based on the hard work of someone other than you (who really deserves the money), I am sure that this kind of "phone mechanic" wouldn't spend one single Dollar/Euro on a donation to the developers who made this possible.
This makes me sad. This makes me sick. This makes me very very angry!
My advice to the developers: Cook in a message displayed when Android is started making it clear that their piece of software is experimental, free and can freely be downloaded at xda-developers.com.
I fully second thread starter's posting - DON'T STEAL FROM THE COMMUNITY! DON'T STEAL FROM THE DEVELOPERS! And last but not least: DONATE DAMMIT!
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Please explain this to me - what kind of "service" would you offer? Downloading a rom build by someone else and extracting the file to a sd-card?
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Yes, that's a service. There are many people out there who need a helping hand even for the easiest things. (Ganz besonders die Amis ;-) )
problem solved
nevermind...
Damn, already?? You what guys you can't stop this, you'll always have these punks tryin to make money off someones elses back..
My suggestion: (if possible)
I'm just an simple 1st line IT-engineer, so i wont exactly know how to do this but there must be a way to find out under which ip-adress the person is posting from on these sites.. The chance he's a member here is probably very high..
What if we get this ip, and ask the mods to permantly ban this person... ??
Anyone know if this is possible???
I think that will send a message to some people.. But I think this is unstoppable. Damn the Pirates! Shoot them all!
Selling the instructions and packages to someone is wrong but charging someone to set it up on the phone for them because the owner isn't capable of it themselves is fine IMO.
It's no different to somewhere giving away free car batteries and charging $10 if you wanted them to install it. You aren't paying for the batteries (in this case the software), your paying for someone's time to set it up.
Regardless of how easy it is or how freely available the instructions are, if someone wants someone else to do it, it's fair enough that person charge for their time to set it up for them. The value of that time is up to the person paying it.
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What if we get this ip, and ask the mods to permantly ban this person... ??
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One of this guys is a member but as long as there are no personal and static IP's for everyone on the planet, ip bans are not working. You can block his region or his ISP but this will block not only him...
Hmmmm, ok so Ip bans are out! only one thing left to do!
Call / mail them meet them, beat em up!
Sounds like a plan to me! I could use the workout!
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Please explain this to me - what kind of "service" would you offer? Downloading a rom build by someone else and extracting the file to a sd-card? And making false promises by telling your "customer" that android would be "fully functional" (there's no "fully functional" build out there!)? Wow very very impressive!!
And despite the fact that "your service" is based on the hard work of someone other than you (who really deserves the money), I am sure that this kind of "phone mechanic" wouldn't spend one single Dollar/Euro on a donation to the developers who made this possible.
This makes me sad. This makes me sick. This makes me very very angry!
My advice to the developers: Cook in a message displayed when Android is started making it clear that their piece of software is experimental, free and can freely be downloaded at xda-developers.com.
I fully second thread starter's posting - DON'T STEAL FROM THE COMMUNITY! DON'T STEAL FROM THE DEVELOPERS! And last but not least: DONATE DAMMIT!
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I could see this coming from a mile away. All this thread is going to cause heated debates and eventually name calling. There are always going to be people on both sides of the issue. XDA is place place to develop and share. Its not a place to combat warez or what ever you want to call "selling other people's work". Obviously XDA is against it... if you read the rules.
I totally agree with you on not selling other peoples work and not charging for "your time" but this thread is unnecessary. Its contrary to the goal of this section. Not to mention the already mentioned threats of spamming these sellers. Depending on where you are at this could be considered illegal.
mmafighter077 said:
I could see this coming from a mile away. All this thread is going to cause heated debates and eventually name calling. There are always going to be people on both sides of the issue. XDA is place place to develop and share. Its not a place to combat warez or what ever you want to call "selling other people's work". Obviously XDA is against it... if you read the rules.
I totally agree with you on not selling other peoples work and not charging for "your time" but this thread is unnecessary. Its contrary to the goal of this section. Not to mention the already mentioned threats of spamming these sellers. Depending in where you are at this could be considered illegal.
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you got a point, it's just that we are real appriciative towards the devs, and can't stand these guys making money off em..
MMAwarrior said:
you got a point, it's just that we are real appriciative towards the devs, and can't stand these guys making money off em..
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I get you you... but I just feel if I want flame wars I could go to sherdog. haha.
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Please explain this to me - what kind of "service" would you offer? Downloading a rom build by someone else and extracting the file to a sd-card? And making false promises by telling your "customer" that android would be "fully functional" (there's no "fully functional" build out there!)? Wow very very impressive!!
And despite the fact that "your service" is based on the hard work of someone other than you (who really deserves the money), I am sure that this kind of "phone mechanic" wouldn't spend one single Dollar/Euro on a donation to the developers who made this possible.
This makes me sad. This makes me sick. This makes me very very angry!
My advice to the developers: Cook in a message displayed when Android is started making it clear that their piece of software is experimental, free and can freely be downloaded at xda-developers.com.
I fully second thread starter's posting - DON'T STEAL FROM THE COMMUNITY! DON'T STEAL FROM THE DEVELOPERS! And last but not least: DONATE DAMMIT!
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I think you completely misunderstood what I was saying! Let me go through and disagree with your impression of me, one paragraph at a time:
"Please explain this to me - what kind of "service" would you offer? Downloading a rom build by someone else and extracting the file to a sd-card?"
-Answer- Absolutely. As well as educating the person and ensuring that any additional HSPL, radio, or WinMo rom was installed correctly and was appropriate for their hardware.
"And making false promises by telling your "customer" that android would be "fully functional" (there's no "fully functional" build out there!)? Wow very very impressive!!"
-Answer- Absolutely not, and if you would have taken the time to read my original post, that you quoted, you would have seen that I made provisions for informing people of the community and where they should go for more information on Android on the HD2.
"And despite the fact that "your service" is based on the hard work of someone other than you (who really deserves the money)"
-Answer- Back to the mechanic, I think this one has been cleared up with a battery analogy. Perfectly clear. If you need more explanation than that, I am willing to delve into more comparisons.
"I am sure that this kind of "phone mechanic" wouldn't spend one single Dollar/Euro on a donation to the developers who made this possible."
-Answer- I would be happy to donate to the devs if I were to profit from a service based on their work, out of appreciation AND out of capitalistic interest in potentially further motivating them to continue developing and improving.
"This makes me sad. This makes me sick. This makes me very very angry!"
-Answer- Think about it from a more objective basis and perhaps you can feel less queasy.
"My advice to the developers: Cook in a message displayed when Android is started making it clear that their piece of software is experimental, free and can freely be downloaded at xda-developers.com."
-Answer (even though I am not a dev)- That would be fine with me, possibly even beneficial, especially if the "experimental" part was emphasized to imply that there is some kind of risk or knowledge that should be had prior to going out and just diving into Android.
"I fully second thread starter's posting - DON'T STEAL FROM THE COMMUNITY! DON'T STEAL FROM THE DEVELOPERS! And last but not least: DONATE DAMMIT!"
-Answer- Again, I do not condone stealing intellectual property. However, I believe that distributing the intellectual property of others is not stealing. Ever written a paper? You quote your sources, but YOU get the grade. Your sources never (or extremely rarely) reap any benefit from your work of putting research and experience together to put out a clean, finished product. And donating is fine and good and should be done if you find the software useful.
I just went to the Samsung site looking for their Customer Forums where could report some bugs in their latest OTA and suggest some improvements.
THERE ARE NONE.
Seriously, a multi-billion dollar company with NO way for their customers to interact, get problems solved or make suggestions. Nothing. It is inconceivable to me that in the year 2012 a company the size of Samsung would be in the stone ages of customer interaction.
Want to know how they get customer feedback? You log on and post a review of the product. That's it! No interaction, no feedback, no idea if anyone even saw what you wrote - you just post a review and pray.
Yeah you can go to Samsung's Facebook page and post something on their wall but that's not a proper forum.
http://www.facebook.com/samsungsupport
I am honestly dumbfounded at this revelation.
They do it on social media. In a pretty big way too.
Surely, in your research of the GN 10.1, you found that out - I did. They do have a question and answer area.
A "rant" is neither productive nor helpful. They don't have forums. Period.
BarryH_GEG said:
They do it on social media. In a pretty big way too.
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Social media is a pathetic replacement for an actual Forum. Lol, can you imagine xda-developers as a Facebook page?
Massive fail Samsung. It's clear from some of the changes they made in the last OTA that they aren't listening to the users.
toenail_flicker said:
A "rant" is neither productive nor helpful. They don't have forums. Period.
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That's probably why they don't have forums. Not enough people ranting. You'll have to forgive me. I didn't research whether Samsung had customer forums. I just assumed they weren't living in 1960.
I am endeavoring to report some bugs on their Facebook page. I have no idea if anyone else has already reported these or if there is follow-up as their "forum" has no apparent structure. Will report back if I get any feedback.
unfortunately yes.
I've been looking for its own forums few years back, and find NONE. :cyclops:
They rather use a facebook page, which we don't know the page is being maintained by who.
But, if you need a fast response, you can try their website, there's a LIVECHAT down there.
Facebook is really a pathetic idea to make it as the main forum of such a big company (in my opinion).
If facebook is being used as an additional media, then yes, it's a good idea.
Time for Mr. Peabody's WABAC Machine
For support: Not a forum and not Facebook.
Samsung needs a Web and Android App accessible Support database.
From 1979 to 2002 I was an IBM Mainframe Systems Programmer at UF in Gainesville Florida, then at the School Board of Alachua County Florida.
I watched large companies like IBM and CA move into the web era with their Support. I moved with them from phone calls and mailing fix tapes to Customer Searchable Databases with user entry for new issues, and with Downloadable Fixes for resolved issues.
Of course, way back then issues for my organization affected 10s of thousands of people where resolving an issue meant dealing with only one person in our organization.
Moving forward to today, we've got 10s of thousands of people and many, many more who all need their individual fixes. Very time consuming compared to dealing with one person.
This is one reason why more and more OTA forced SW updating is happening and why the big companies are pushing cloud computing. Such as Google evolving the Chrome platform; Adobe offering Creative Cloud; and VMWare and IBM competing for hosting Enterprise virtual computers.
Aloha.. Al :highfive:
Is it just me or do 80% of their Facebook Support moderators look like complete burnouts?
If a Forum is too hard for them how about a simple Suggestion Box where users can report bugs directly to the Design Team?
My faith in their meeting future needs with OTA's is greatly diminished. Hopefully they will surprise me.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31024209&postcount=24
You might get more feed back by directing your rants here. :cyclops:
tonyz3 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=31024209&postcount=24
You might get more feed back by directing your rants here. :cyclops:
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tonyz3,
I think you should put in an application to work for the Samsung Design Team, you seem like their kind of guy. :cyclops:
They used to have customer Forum. I was a member. They were so heavily censored, that you could say virtually nothing negative.
When the Galaxy S was having GPS issues, a class action suit was initiated about the GPS problem. I posted this fact and my post was edited to eliminate the sentence stating that. My post appeared but the words "Class Action Lawsuit" magically disappeared!
Moderators would actually cut pieces out of your posts before they would appear.
I then tried to send a private message to another forum member about the censorship and they censored and blocked the private messages as well and then sent me a message saying any more communications of that type would get me banned.
I then posted a second time to the main forum complaining that they were censoring negative posts and was in fact banned from the forum. So there isn't much of a point to a Forum where you aren't alowed to communicate.
So perhaps they just decided to institute the ultimate form of censorship and eliminate the forum altogether.
Digital Man said:
They used to have customer Forum. I was a member. They were so heavily censored, that you could say virtually nothing negative.
When the Galaxy S was having GPS issues, a class action suit was initiated about the GPS problem. I posted this fact and my post was edited to eliminate the sentence stating that. My post appeared but the words "Class Action Lawsuit" magically disappeared!
Moderators would actually cut pieces out of your posts before they would appear.
I then tried to send a private message to another forum member about the censorship and they censored and blocked the private messages as well and then sent me a message saying any more communications of that type would get me banned.
I then posted a second time to the main forum complaining that they were censoring negative posts and was in fact banned from the forum. So there isn't much of a point to a Forum where you aren't alowed to communicate.
So perhaps they just decided to institute the ultimate form of censorship and eliminate the forum altogether.
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Oh well, they make nice tablets and if we get the same software as the Note II we will all be happy campers.
mitchellvii said:
Oh well, they make nice tablets and if we get the same software as the Note II we will all be happy campers.
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+1
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