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I was messing around with a synth progrm last night and found something weird, so I decided to confirm it in a few multitouch testing apps. This is really bizzare and I'm wondering if it's a bug - I'm going to try to make a video when my other computer is up and runing but for now I'll try to describe it:
-With your testing program of choice open, place your finger anywhere on the screen. hold it completely still; not allowing it to shift even 1 pixel (the X/Y coordinates at the top shouldn't change if you're using multitouch visual test)
-Tap anywhere else on the screen without removing or moving finger 1. The finger-up event of finger 2 will not be detected until finger 1 moves.
I've been able to confirm this on my device up to 5 touches - i.e. I've had 4 fingers stationary on the screen and tapped with a 5th, and the 5th one stays "finger-down" until the position of any of the other 4 changes.
I've tested in "multitouch visual test" by battery powered games, llc and "multitouch test" by greenrobot, both available in the market for free.
Bump... Seriously? Like 50 views and nobody will test this?
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Please provide testing program name to download. Edit-just noticed you put "Multitouch visual Test". Ignore this request.
Please provide expected results per Samsung specifications.
All I know is we have pinch to zoom but that's about it. I don't know how to test all the stuff you've posted up there but am willing to do so.
FWIW-Pinch to zoom works fine for me.
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I tested this with that application. I put one finger down and it registered. I put another down and it registered. I pulled one up and it registered that it was no longer there. I put five down, registered them all and it showed that each one was lifted as I lifted it.
I think that's what you meant.
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Please provide testing program name to download. Edit-just noticed you put "Multitouch visual Test". Ignore this request.
Please provide expected results per Samsung specifications.
All I know is we have pinch to zoom but that's about it. I don't know how to test all the stuff you've posted up there but am willing to do so.
FWIW-Pinch to zoom works fine for me.
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I tested this with that application. I put one finger down and it registered. I put another down and it registered. I pulled one up and it registered that it was no longer there. I put five down, registered them all and it showed that each one was lifted as I lifted it.
I think that's what you meant.
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It is what I meant... sort of. The thing is, if finger 1 moves even one pixel, it kills the experiment. The experiment I did was keeping finger 1 perfectly still (the X/Y coordinates were not shifting at all; I did it in a corner 'cuz it was easiest). THEN tried the tap. As soon as I get my replacement AC adapter for my comp. with webcam, I'll post video. It's quite trippy.
I tried it with YAMTT and got the same results. I wonder if it's how the program is working, or an issue with the phone. I don't think this is a problem though, because it's difficult to hold your finger still ad not move 11 pixel.
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knyque said:
I tried it with YAMTT and got the same results. I wonder if it's how the program is working, or an issue with the phone. I don't think this is a problem though, because it's difficult to hold your finger still ad not move 11 pixel.
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Finally! I'm not crazy! Agreed it's probably not going to be a gigantic issue, but it's not how I would expect multitouch to work.
I can also duplicate this. Unusual, and I don't think it should cause any problems, however one would think it would behave differently.
who cares??
Thought it would be interesting to make a thread on how people are using the S-pen. Give people some new ideas or whatever.
I rarely use it. My handwriting sucks so the Note has no idea what I'm writing. Although normal people can't read my writing when I write with pen/paper anyway, so no surprise there.
I mostly use the S-pen to play Nemo picross actually, ha ha ha! It sure is nice to shrink the grid to a tiny size (20x20 visible) and use the pen to play. When I used my fingers on my mytouch 4g, I'd have to use a 9x9 visible grid, and I'd have to scroll all over the place.
- Frank
Nose & ear hygiene
Keep my girlfriend busy drawing while I'm watching football.
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pjm77 said:
Nose & ear hygiene
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HAHA my granddad uses his car key!
To be honest I only pulled it out to show people what it can do, doubt I will ever need to use it which is a shame considering the time and energy that must have gone into implementing it so nicely!
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HAHA my granddad uses his car key!
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That is so 1980s! You've got to keep up with times, for godssake
Playing World of Goo.
Japanese handwriting recognition.
Faster typing with Swype.
Handwritting with Graffiti Pro recognition method. Works way better than inbuilt one as you use simplified characters.
Also drawing and photo masking/editing.
i use it for swypeing - i rly like it.
GTD. Any time something comes up that I have to do, I do a quick memo and send to evernote inbox. each day I open evernote inbox and process all items. I make a handwritten lists of the task for that day and save the other ones to a next actions folder in evernote.
I use the stylus for Swyping and everything else, any time my fingers are a little damp and not sliding smoothly over the screen.
djowett said:
Keep my girlfriend busy drawing while I'm watching football.
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Lol.... I do the same thing except I watch cricket.....
But she got so addicted to it that she wants one now....
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I use the pen for selecting small items on web pages where zooming is not allowed and where a laptop and mouse would be needed e.g. in charting packages. I also find it useful for selecting text during editing where you need to be precise.
removing earwax, my finger is much more accurate than the s-pen to draw with
I figure it's a tool that needs to be learned like a musical instrument.
A little bit every day, until you get to the point where you're fluid, expressive, and extremely efficient.
Right now, I'm practicing here and there. Here's what I hope to be able to do very quickly with the S-pen in a couple months:
-- pull up S memo, jot down a quick note or 5, save in a "pile"; convert to text to be scheduled/organized later; shared to Evernote/Skitch/class notebook
-- screen capture pages and images, then edit/crop them to share later (like in the fancy demos)
-- sketch quick ideas, like charts and graphs, to import into a presentation form (ppt, email to group, into a video tutorial)
-- learn to draw (How to Draw app), to make quick flyers, invites, and ads
-- be very familiar with photo editing, exporting
-- be very familiar with video editing, exporting
-- annotate PDFs, whiteboards
-- be fluent enough to demonstrate all this to gawkers
As of now, I'm just dipping my toes in the all these pools. So much to learn, so little time...
I will say that I'm finding the tiny stylus and the inconveniently placed button difficult. I think the larger Samsung pen accessory into which the stylus can be inserted is somewhere in my future...
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I use it to use the note when the temperatures are very low and I have my gloves on.
I love drawing and sketching with the s pen...
I also use it to write out messages quickly. Once you get used to using the s pen, handwriting input can be pretty fast - I manage to fit 4-6 words even on the portrait version of handwriting input for msgs and that works out pretty well; it's even better in landscape..
I use the pen for selecting small items on web pages too and also some games are much easier to play using the pen.
In the winter I imagine not having to take gloves off to use my phone (except to get the pen out of the slot of course!)
If you're asking though "Is it a gimmick?" then I will say NO. It is genuinely useful.
Nothing
My 9 year old daughter used it once to draw and keep herself busy whilst waiting for the main course to arrive
show off in front of my freinds it serves no other purpose.
I was so impressed by this I'm pseudo bumping it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1354191
I kind of suspected that either you the stylus a LOT or you don't use it much at all.
- Frank
When I got my transformer I immediately felt that browsing on it was a little uncomfortable when compared to the control I have on a desktop computer. I've noticed one poorly executed function was the PC equivalent of a "mouseover" or "hover" function. It made opening hover menus in a browser or controlling a flash video player a bit awkward, although still functional.
I've recently stumbled upon on 2010 article on why a Flash developer believes that flash would not work on the iPad, but many of the points that he makes are very valid given the implementation of flash that we have on our transformers.
http://www.roughlydrafted.com/2010/02/20/an-adobe-flash-developer-on-why-the-ipad-cant-use-flash/
I was just wondering if this was something you've all noticed and perhaps if you have your own ideas as to how a mouseover functionality could have been better implemented in android.
Also, I've once tried to bring this up in another topic which ended up getting closed, so let's try to keep that from happening.
Thoughts?
Multitouch. Tap with 2 fingers to "hover".
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I think that a double tap would be a good solution for something like bringing up flash player controls without pausing the video.
What about scrubbing the video? For instance, with youtube you can use your mouse and move it (without clicking) along the progress bar while being shown the exact time in the video that you are currently pointing at. This obviously makes rewinding and fast forwarding much easier on a computer. I suppose on a tablet you would double tap and then drag your finger, as per this implementation?
EDIT: Wow, I'm sorry I totally misunderstood. You actually mean't using two fingers as opposed to double tapping with one.
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When I got my transformer I immediately felt that browsing on it was a little uncomfortable when compared to the control I have on a desktop computer.
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I'll be brutally honest. You've got what I like to call not-used-to-something-that-is-new syndrome.
I'm sure when the personal computer first came out, people were crying left and right that typing on the computer was uncomfortable compared to the typewriter. In fact, if you go back long enough, I'm sure people were whining left and right that the page turning book format was uncomfortable to read compared to the scrolls. Heck, why stop there? I'm sure writing with ink was really awkward and uncomfortable to those who were used to the chisel and hammer.
The fact of the matter is every time a new technology came up, there would undoubtedly be resistance to the change. I have no doubt that there were arguments against Gutenberg's invention (the printing press).
I say the advantages of the tablet far outweighs the disadvantages. And please don't start arguing that the tablet could never replace your pc. No one is making such claim.
That was unnecessary.
The question here is how to make the "hover" functionality more intuitive.
i think a multitouch or swipe gesture would be the best option.
for example with the mousover menus, if u could quickly swipe across said menu to have it show the options.
not sure if its viable but who knows
or even a double tap. tap once to open the menu, tap again to select an entry or go to the main link
The problem is that a multitouch would register as a zoom function, not a hover function.. Computer analyses aren't good enough to tell the difference between two points of contact with relatively stable distance between them vs two points of contact moving away (because it's sensitive right now..?).
im using an external mouse really like it looking forward to ics for no more keyboard lag
i hope at least
also i would like a scrolling in facebook chat and pictures so you can see comments
p.s typing from it right now
I am using Logitech bluetooth keyboard with touchpad [designed for PS3]. For now it's the best solution for me.
o1d8oy said:
I am using Logitech bluetooth keyboard with touchpad [designed for PS3]. For now it's the best solution for me.
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are you havin keyboard lag?
i mean if like on facebook it doesnt respon as fast a computer
just checkin if the keyboard is problem or honeycomb
All I have to complain about is XKCD in Google Reader (app), and there's probably an app or greasemonkey script for this already.
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Flash the KRAKD Rom no more keyboard lag
DESIRE HD using ER3BUS ASUS TRANSFORMER on KRAKD
You will find that as more web developers and designers switch to HTML5 and CSS3 (which the stock android browser already supports btw) it will be much more of an experience like a desktop computer. In fact, hover effects implementing CSS3 currently support mouseovers on our transformer. the hover transitions work pretty dang well actually
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Spidey01 said:
All I have to complain about is XKCD in Google Reader (app), and there's probably an app or greasemonkey script for this already.
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Yep: https://market.android.com/details?...1bGwsMSwxLDEsIm5ldC5ieXR0ZW4ueGtjZHZpZXdlciJd
Click the title of the item in google reader and it opens in xkcd viewer, and there you can click on the cartoon to get the hover-over.
Yeah its clearly not good, I also frequently miss a keyboard with cursor keys to move around in an input field.
daners85glacier said:
You will find that as more web developers and designers switch to HTML5 and CSS3 (which the stock android browser already supports btw) it will be much more of an experience like a desktop computer. In fact, hover effects implementing CSS3 currently support mouseovers on our transformer. the hover transitions work pretty dang well actually
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How exactly is the "hover" functionality implemented on the transformer with HTML5 and CSS3, in terms of how the user is able to call on the function?
Yeah, I'm trying to encourage someone who's a developer on a web software I use quite often to add the clickhover property to the default theme instead of pure hover. Not only does that enhance browsing on tablets, but it also supports a11y.
yes, mouse-over or the lack of it is a real pain in the ***. I use Opera Mobile and browsing websites that use mouse-over navigation without the dock is really annoying.
is there a fix/workaround/touch-combination to get the mouse-over effect working?
The problem is that a multitouch would register as a zoom function, not a hover function.. Computer analyses aren't good enough to tell the difference between two points of contact with relatively stable distance between them vs two points of contact moving away (because it's sensitive right now..?).
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This is false. There's nothing magical going on here, a touch UI is only as good as how it's programmed.
Two points of contact with stable distance CAN be discerned from two points moving away. For example a naive method to do this would be to store the last N number of touched coordinates per some time slice in the form of a recency list and then perform some minor arithmetic operations on them to determine the delta and make a reasonable assumption as to whether movement is occurring. It might be harder to discern movements where the quantity is similar to each other but where one quantity is essentially zero movement and the other is any movement, this is not so difficult to do.
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yes, mouse-over or the lack of it is a real pain in the ***. I use Opera Mobile and browsing websites that use mouse-over navigation without the dock is really annoying.
is there a fix/workaround/touch-combination to get the mouse-over effect working?
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Just a simple question..
I've seen the iPad2 working with Drum Meister or something. Damn, it plays flawlessly, I can play like a real drum set, real amazing.
So I have this Atrix. Gingerbread 2.3.6 and with a modified touch file for 4 simultaneous touch detection. Not really sure if that's the culprit, as on the multitouch keyboard it works normally at my fast typing (and on the touch visualizer program), but when I play the drums on any of my drum apps (DroiDrum, Drum Set and DrumKit), it seems like the multitouch feature is failing.
I can do two simultaneous moves, even four instruments at once, but i cant play two or more instruments, like this video
It skips some touches, some instruments just refuse to play while I'm touching another one (like if I press and hold one), but if I hit them together, they play together.
Is that a bad app programming, or a android/touch limitation/issue?
If i had to guess, i'd say it's probably more along the lines of app programming more than it is a limitation with multi-touch on Android devices. It could also be having the mod to enable more touches to be recognized. I'm sure it helps to have that mod in some scenario's... but i'm pretty sure apps aren't really designed around the idea of having more than two or three touch inputs at once recognized, simply because of screen real estate. That's probably the main reason why devices like the iPad, or even the Motorola XyBoard or Xoom support more than two or three finger multi-touch.
I too am a lover of bangin on my black classic maple Ludwig set and gotta say i have searched and searched but no android app competes with the one on ios....
Try the reaindropfix. our beloved atrix go crazy if u continue to press screen for more then 15 sec.
search for it.
xateeq said:
Try the reaindropfix. our beloved atrix go crazy if u continue to press screen for more then 15 sec.
search for it.
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Oh god, at first sight it looks like that's the problem! Gonna test it and in a few minutes I'll be back
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Nope, but it'll sure fix a bug I was experiencing when playing multitouch games
Windows 8 Controller lets you control your Windows 8 PC as if it is a tablet. Just using your Android phone, you can experience the Windows 8 gestures like pinch, stretch, rotate, swipe, side gestures etc.
Easily scroll through web pages, pinch to zoom in your photos, cycle through open apps...
It's fast and fluid! Give it a try, you'll love it!
Please search for Windows 8 Controller in Google Play or Youtube
Some features of Windows 8 Controller includes:
- Multitouch gestures (pinch, stretch, swipe, rotate)
- Natural Scrolling Experience (Scroll horizontally and vertically as you scroll on a tablet)
- Use as a mouse (move, left/right/middle/double click, drag)
- Side gestures (Swipe from left/right/bottom/top to switch to next open app, show charms, show app options, close app respectively)
- Tiles Screen (A tiles screen including most needed shortcuts like show start, show desktop, open computer and much more)
- Power Options (Don't you think it's not so easy to shut down the Windows 8? Not anymore. Windows 8 Controller includes power shortcuts. Shut down, restart, hibernate, sleep, lock, log off your computer with one tap)
- Volume Control (Do you need an easy way to adjust the volume of your Windows 8 PC? You've got it! Windows 8 Controller has a volume controller by which you can adjust/mute/unmute your computer's volume from your phone. Also you can use the hardware volume buttons of your phone)
- Virtual Keyboard (Type text by using your Android's keyboard. Take advantage of auto-complete feature of your keyboard or use swype keyboard. You can even type text to your computer by using voice-to-text feature of your Android phone's keyboard)
- Easily go back/forward (Tilt your phone left/right to go back/forward in your favourite web browser or file explorer)
- Four (or five) fingers pinch (to reveal start screen easily)
- With auto-connect and quick-connect features, it is very easy to connect your phone to your computer and start using Windows 8 Controller.
kerimka said:
Windows 8 Controller lets you control your Windows 8 PC as if it is a tablet. Just using your Android phone, you can experience the Windows 8 gestures like pinch, stretch, rotate, swipe, side gestures etc.
Easily scroll through web pages, pinch to zoom in your photos, cycle through open apps...
It's fast and fluid! Give it a try, you'll love it!
Please search for Windows 8 Controller in Google Play or Youtube
Some features of Windows 8 Controller includes:
- Multitouch gestures (pinch, stretch, swipe, rotate)
- Natural Scrolling Experience (Scroll horizontally and vertically as you scroll on a tablet)
- Use as a mouse (move, left/right/middle/double click, drag)
- Side gestures (Swipe from left/right/bottom/top to switch to next open app, show charms, show app options, close app respectively)
- Tiles Screen (A tiles screen including most needed shortcuts like show start, show desktop, open computer and much more)
- Power Options (Don't you think it's not so easy to shut down the Windows 8? Not anymore. Windows 8 Controller includes power shortcuts. Shut down, restart, hibernate, sleep, lock, log off your computer with one tap)
- Volume Control (Do you need an easy way to adjust the volume of your Windows 8 PC? You've got it! Windows 8 Controller has a volume controller by which you can adjust/mute/unmute your computer's volume from your phone. Also you can use the hardware volume buttons of your phone)
- Virtual Keyboard (Type text by using your Android's keyboard. Take advantage of auto-complete feature of your keyboard or use swype keyboard. You can even type text to your computer by using voice-to-text feature of your Android phone's keyboard)
- Easily go back/forward (Tilt your phone left/right to go back/forward in your favourite web browser or file explorer)
- Four (or five) fingers pinch (to reveal start screen easily)
- With auto-connect and quick-connect features, it is very easy to connect your phone to your computer and start using Windows 8 Controller.
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side stepping the paid/free differences
The problem with wifi for this is that TCP sucks big time! there is so much redundancy built in for error checking that for anything like this, the slightest hiccup can just make it feel laggy and generally crap compared to using the real thing., ive tried to use similar programs for years and they all just annoy the buggery out of me after a while
Bluetooth offers a better solution but would have limited range and still isn't perfect, also bare in mind that everything under the sun uses 2.4GHz meaning a next door neighbours cordless phone can give you a headache too.
its just food for thought, perhaps you may live in a faraday cage and have no issues with interference, dropped packets and don't mind the slight lag that cant be removed, but not everyone is in such a fortunate position.
a Bluetooth option would be cool and of course a WP version for the grown ups
something's to keep in mind for the masses
Tempting ....
I just gave the Free "try it out app" a whirl.
I have an older laptop with non-multi touch touchpad so I was really excited about this app.
I have to echo the request for a bluetooth version of the app as well, there was definitely some odd lag going on ...
... But I can't be sure the lag wasn't being caused by the cascade of "This feature is only available in the paid version" messages I was getting.
Look, I think this app could be awesome, and I would happily pay for it, if I thought that it would work well enough to use daily. However, the experience on the Free app is really bad due to the restrictions. I understand not wanting to give away your work for free, but I think that the Free app paints a very unflattering picture of what the Full Version might be.
You may want to consider re-vamping the Free version, allowing for fewer restrictions or going to a 30 day trial, or just look at the code for how it displays the nag-message.
I'm not trying to be mean or rude, I think its a great idea, but when I say "cascade" of nag-messages I am being literal. There was a backlog of messages after closing the app so that for the next minute and a half I had "This feature ..." flashing on my home screen even after closing the app.
Good luck and I look forward to trying this again in a month or two!
I just gave the paid version a try and I'm not having any lag. It's very smooth. I haven't had a chance to dig too deeply into it, but so far it's very nice.
Anyway, whatever you do, don't drop the ball on this. Routinely I buy a paid app from a dev here and the development goes stagnant. There's a ton of potential for this app, please keep going!
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I just gave the Free "try it out app" a whirl.
I have an older laptop with non-multi touch touchpad so I was really excited about this app.
I have to echo the request for a bluetooth version of the app as well, there was definitely some odd lag going on ...
... But I can't be sure the lag wasn't being caused by the cascade of "This feature is only available in the paid version" messages I was getting.
Look, I think this app could be awesome, and I would happily pay for it, if I thought that it would work well enough to use daily. However, the experience on the Free app is really bad due to the restrictions. I understand not wanting to give away your work for free, but I think that the Free app paints a very unflattering picture of what the Full Version might be.
You may want to consider re-vamping the Free version, allowing for fewer restrictions or going to a 30 day trial, or just look at the code for how it displays the nag-message.
I'm not trying to be mean or rude, I think its a great idea, but when I say "cascade" of nag-messages I am being literal. There was a backlog of messages after closing the app so that for the next minute and a half I had "This feature ..." flashing on my home screen even after closing the app.
Good luck and I look forward to trying this again in a month or two!
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