I don't get how the largest electronics company in the world cannot work out how to make 4G support for their main smart phone chip. Like it's the biggest failure about this phone, the only reason why I wanted it was for the Exynos 5 + the 544 but instead now we get the Snapdragon with the Adreno 320. Basically it has the same internals as every other frigging phone out there and I bet they'll be cheaper too like the HTC One has no up front cost.
It's just made me got "forget the GS4" not only did it look no different to the GS3 but the internals are a let down too because Samsung doesn't have 4G support for Exynos. At this point I'm just going to end my contract, go on a month by month contract as it's only £12 for unlimited data what I'm paying £40 a month for now. Then I'm just going to wait it out for something better, hopefully Nokia do a 41mp Windows Phone or something actually interesting rather than these lack luster phones we've had so far this year.
I was gonna upgrade but no Exynos 5 + 4G = no sale.
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I don't get how the largest electronics company in the world cannot work out how to make 4G support for their main smart phone chip. Like it's the biggest failure about this phone, the only reason why I wanted it was for the Exynos 5 + the 544 but instead now we get the Snapdragon with the Adreno 320. Basically it has the same internals as every other frigging phone out there and I bet they'll be cheaper too like the HTC One has no up front cost.
It's just made me got "forget the GS4" not only did it look no different to the GS3 but the internals are a let down too because Samsung doesn't have 4G support for Exynos. At this point I'm just going to end my contract, go on a month by month contract as it's only £12 for unlimited data what I'm paying £40 a month for now. Then I'm just going to wait it out for something better, hopefully Nokia do a 41mp Windows Phone or something actually interesting rather than these lack luster phones we've had so far this year.
I was gonna upgrade but no Exynos 5 + 4G = no sale.
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Using a seperate radio and SoC consumes more battery, and LTE already consumers more battery. The N2 has a gigantic battery which is why it was released with Exynos. With 40 different LTE bands a different radio has to be used depending on the market which also makes developing and supporting the s/w a pain in the ass.
This is coming out mid-year and should allow multiband LTE-capable devices to be built and sold just like HSPA devices have been in the past. Samung's already said they plan on using it.
http://www.qualcomm.com/media/relea...olution-enables-single-global-lte-design-next
Thing is if that comes out later in the year, at that point I might as well just see what Nokia or Apple do and possible Google will have the Nexus 5 by then. It's just not good enough really and I have my upgrade now from my GS2 like loads of other people who got one in 2011.
What are u talking about the upgrade is HUGE
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The Exynos supports LTE so the whole question you're posing is loaded with misinformation.
The question you should be asking why Samsung decided to pair it up with the Qualcomm instead; that has some more meaningful answers and hypothesises:
- The Octa is not ready for mass-production in the quantity so to satisfy the demand for the biggest flagship phone on the market right now.
- Because of the above, they chose to multi-source the SoC.
- Because the LTE models are supposedly globally multi-band it is easier to engineer only two models.
- Why did they even release it as such - that's what most people are angry about; it sucks for the enthusiasts but it makes perfect sense from a business perspective. Release it early so to catch as many users as possible who would be otherwise tempted by the HTC One or the Z.
And who says that we won't get a refresh with Exynos and LTE.
Using a seperate radio and SoC consumes more battery, and LTE already consumers more battery.
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That argument is useless here. The Snapdragon 600 doesn't have an integrated modem so they still need a separate LTE chip. And also proven by demonstration by the many new LTE devices which separate chip (Note 2, i9305, One), the battery argument is again something which seemed to be pulled out of thin air last year.
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The Exynos supports LTE so the whole question you're posing is loaded with misinformation.
The question you should be asking why Samsung decided to pair it up with the Qualcomm instead; that has some more meaningful answers and hypothesises:
- The Octa is not ready for mass-production in the quantity so to satisfy the demand for the biggest flagship phone on the market right now.
- Because of the above, they chose to multi-source the SoC.
- Because the LTE models are supposedly globally multi-band it is easier to engineer only two models.
- Why did they even release it as such - that's what most people are angry about; it sucks for the enthusiasts but it makes perfect sense from a business perspective. Release it early so to catch as many users as possible who would be otherwise tempted by the HTC One or the Z.
And who says that we won't get a refresh with Exynos and LTE.
That argument is useless here. The Snapdragon 600 doesn't have an integrated modem so they still need a separate LTE chip. And also proven by demonstration by the many new LTE devices which separate chip (Note 2, i9305, One), the battery argument is again something which seemed to be pulled out of thin air last year.
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It's unlikely we will get a refresh with Exynos + LTE. Even the Korean LTE versions are Snapdragon-based.
We might see them earliest in Note 3.
Livebyte said:
It's unlikely we will get a refresh with Exynos + LTE. Even the Korean LTE versions are Snapdragon-based.
We might see them earliest in Note 3.
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It's up to Samsung.
Japan also got a refresh and was in the same situation; original release was the Qualcomm S3, then they got the S3 Alpha which is basically an i9305 with the Note 2 Exynos revision. T-Mobile are also adopting their M3 (i9305) variant.
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The Octa is not ready for mass-production in the quantity so to satisfy the demand for the biggest flagship phone on the market right now.
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Wild ass guess.
Because of the above, they chose to multi-source the SoC.
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They used Exynos 4 in tablets last year so they had plenty and still multi-sourced.
Because the LTE models are supposedly globally multi-band it is easier to engineer only two models.
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Until the RF360 comes out LTE radios are hardware limited as to the bands they support so there are multiple radio configurations based on where the device is to be sold or used.
Release it early so to catch as many users as possible
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Wild ass guess. How many mainstream users know what an Octa or Snapdragon is and would care if they did?
And who says that we won't get a refresh with Exynos and LTE.
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A wild ass guess I'd agree with based on it driving more profit for Samsung by using their own SoC.
That argument is useless here. The Snapdragon 600 doesn't have an integrated modem so they still need a separate LTE chip. And also proven by demonstration by the many new LTE devices which separate chip (Note 2, i9305, One), the battery argument is against something which seemed to be pulled out of thin air last year.
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Why did Samsung deploy the N2 with Exynos/LTE and not the SGS3?
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Why did Samsung deploy the N2 with Exynos/LTE and not the SGS3?
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Qualcomm didn't start offering a standalone LTE+GSM combo solution until late 2012 as far as I know. And Samsung did eventually offer an Exynos+LTE SGS3 with the I9305, which was released in fall 2012.
I suspect the Exynos vs. Qualcomm difference has nothing to do with LTE but is for some other reason, as others have said, the Snapdragon variants are not using one of the Qualcomms with integrated baseband, but one of the standalone modem chipsets (like the Xperia Z and Nexus 4 do... And in fact I think every quad-Krait device on the market is using an APQ with an external modem chipset.) Probably production rampup is one of the issues, also, the Exynos5 "Octa" is not by any means a proven platform, so Samsung might be sticking with a more proven base for the majority of their devices.
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Until the RF360 comes out LTE radios are hardware limited as to the bands they support so there are multiple radio configurations based on where the device is to be sold or used.
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I think you're massively mistaking amplifiers and actual modems. The modems are identical on all models since they're compatible with everything. The Note 2 LTE variants are globally the same thing and the only difference are the antennas and amplifiers.
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They used Exynos 4 in tablets last year so they had plenty and still multi-sourced.
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Why did Samsung deploy the N2 with Exynos/LTE and not the SGS3?
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"Last year" encompasses a period of 12 months, so please think a bit before doing such arguments. The S3 was launched on May 29th while the second device to have the Exynos was the Galaxy Note 10.1 in mid-August. That's already a 3-month period between devices and in manufacturing terms, that's an eternity. Furthermore you're comparing a device in double-digit million sales within the first two months to a tablet which basically nobody bought.
Furthermore they did not release it with LTE because at the time there wasn't any discrete modem available and only Qualcomm's MSM offered LTE capability. This is the same reason the Tegra 3 One X never came out in the LTE enabled countries, they were in exactly the same situation. The Note 2 (And i9305) came out with the Exynos + Qualcomm because the MDM9215 was specifically available as a discrete chip by that time.
Also please refrain from calling things wild ass guesses when your own claims are even more uninformed.
Check this:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/Exynos/data/competitive.pdf
BTW, does s600 have integrated LTE? I believe not.
I recall the model name was APQ***
s800 is supposed to have integrated LTE.
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Check this:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/Exynos/data/competitive.pdf
BTW, does s600 have integrated LTE? I believe not.
I recall the model name was APQ***
s800 is supposed to have integrated LTE.
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No, the 600 being included in the GS4 is an APQ - which means no integrated baseband.
While there are quad Kraits with integrated modem on Qualcomm's roadmap, they are quite rare. As in I have yet to see a quad-Krait device that wasn't an APQ.
Could be related to the yield issues mentioned in the PDF above.
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The Exynos supports LTE so the whole question you're posing is loaded with misinformation.
The question you should be asking why Samsung decided to pair it up with the Qualcomm instead; that has some more meaningful answers and hypothesises:
- The Octa is not ready for mass-production in the quantity so to satisfy the demand for the biggest flagship phone on the market right now.
- Because of the above, they chose to multi-source the SoC.
- Because the LTE models are supposedly globally multi-band it is easier to engineer only two models.
- Why did they even release it as such - that's what most people are angry about; it sucks for the enthusiasts but it makes perfect sense from a business perspective. Release it early so to catch as many users as possible who would be otherwise tempted by the HTC One or the Z.
And who says that we won't get a refresh with Exynos and LTE.
That argument is useless here. The Snapdragon 600 doesn't have an integrated modem so they still need a separate LTE chip. And also proven by demonstration by the many new LTE devices which separate chip (Note 2, i9305, One), the battery argument is again something which seemed to be pulled out of thin air last year.
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Can you give more information on which LTE bands exynos supports?
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Can you give more information on which LTE bands exynos supports?
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Exynos4 and Exynos5 don't support ANY LTE bands directly. In fact they don't have built in wireless capability of any form. Neither does the Snapdragon 600 that is going to be sold in the GS4, neither does the APQ8064 used in many current Qualcomm quad-Krait devices.
All of the above depend on an external modem chipset, in almost all cases for LTE devices Qualcomm MDM9x15 or MDM9x25. Band support is determined by the RF frontend chipset (Qualcomm WTR1605L in all cases probably) and what bands the manufacturer added RF frontend filters for.
There is nothing that prevents a MDM9x15 or 9x25 from being hung off of an Exynos4 or Exynos5 (in fact, that's what was done for LTE Note2 variants).
The misconception that "this or that CPU doesn't support LTE" comes from the early days of LTE when the only multiband multimode modem was Qualcomm's, and initially Qualcomm only provided it in the form of fully integrated MSM CPU+baseband solutions. But since Qualcomm started selling the standalone MDM9615 last fall or so, there's nothing preventing any CPU with HSIC support (which basically any modern CPU has) from having LTE connectivity.
Exynos "Octa" not having LTE almost surely has nothing to do with technical incompatibilities but everything to do with Samsung not wanting to put all of their eggs in one basket with an unproven highly complex processor.
so what will be the better choice ? Snapdragon or Exynos, if both support 4G?
Now if the extnos octa does support lte, which I believe it does just not American frequencies. If it has a Qualcomm radio and its model supports multi band or world radio chip that support everything (forgot model number). Can a different modem enable those lte bands or is it all hardware related??
S4 Exynos 5 import -- 4g works?
Entropy512 said:
Exynos "Octa" not having LTE almost surely has nothing to do with technical incompatibilities but everything to do with Samsung not wanting to put all of their eggs in one basket with an unproven highly complex processor.
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Absolute novice here, so if it's not down to technical reasons would an imported GS4 with the Exynos 5 still actually work with 4G networks, or will it just not work end-of? Would there be any way to mod the phone's firmware to get the 4G supported, or is the failure due to the hardware itself?
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Absolute novice here, so if it's not down to technical reasons would an imported GS4 with the Exynos 5 still actually work with 4G networks, or will it just not work end-of? Would there be any way to mod the phone's firmware to get the 4G supported, or is the failure due to the hardware itself?
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Same question here. Furthermore, I am curious as to why no one else makes LTE modem besides Qualcomm.
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Absolute novice here, so if it's not down to technical reasons would an imported GS4 with the Exynos 5 still actually work with 4G networks, or will it just not work end-of? Would there be any way to mod the phone's firmware to get the 4G supported, or is the failure due to the hardware itself?
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Each device is customized for the bands it will run on. See the Note2 as an example - There are multiple t0lte variants, the N7105, I317 (AT&T), T-Mobile version, Sprint version, Verizon version - Each had RF frontend hardware customized for their target carrier/region. The CPU was the same (Exynos), the modem was the same (MDM9615), the primary RF chipset was the same (WTR1605L I *think*), but the RF frontend filter and switching circuitry was different for each variant, meaning you couldn't just flash an I317 baseband to N7105 and get AT&T LTE support for example.
As to why no one else is making an LTE modem besides Qualcomm - Qualcomm have more experience with these things than any other company. Many of the core principles of communications theory were created by Qualcomm's founders. Principles of Communication Engineering is still considered the Bible of communications theory, written by Wozencraft and Jacobs (Jacobs being one of the founders of Qualcomm, along with Andrew Viterbi, famous for the Viterbi Algorithm.) Same reason Qualcomm was the first company to achieve reasonably power-efficient UMTS baseband chipsets.
Edit: Here's a good read regarding Qualcomm's modems: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6541/the-state-of-qualcomms-modems-wtr1605-and-mdm9x25
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octa core with lte all 20 bands???
go to sammobile and look the new news.
Octacore supports LTE all 20 bands
Why can't Samsung make one chipset that supports for all countries. I don't have a great knowledge in chip designing. But i am always curious to know why different chipsets are needed for LTE. Why Exynos is not compatible with LTE (USA LTE). How is the scenario with iphone, iphone 5 is in India too. Does it have a different chipset from USA's ?
Processer problem? or not
varunkumars said:
Why can't Samsung make one chipset that supports for all countries. I don't have a great knowledge in chip designing. But i am always curious to know why different chipsets are needed for LTE. Why Exynos is not compatible with LTE (USA LTE). How is the scenario with iphone, iphone 5 is in India too. Does it have a different chipset from USA's ?
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Well.. I don't think that problem is into Main chipset.
The galaxy s3's Exynos 4412 processer supports LTE. but samsung released by 3G version. I don't know why is itand also, samsung released korean galaxy s4 version by LTE with Exynos again
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Also with Note2 , Samsung launched with One Exynos processer chipset worldwide, same phone, just different modem and radio files.
I thought Samsung did sortout LTE band issue.
But but, Samsung dissapointed me with snapdragon qualcomm chipset in Canada again.
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Why can't Samsung make one chipset that supports for all countries. I don't have a great knowledge in chip designing. But i am always curious to know why different chipsets are needed for LTE. Why Exynos is not compatible with LTE (USA LTE). How is the scenario with iphone, iphone 5 is in India too. Does it have a different chipset from USA's ?
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I think it s about the Trust from Americans
i m not american but i trust on Snapdragon (from USA) more than Exynos (& Cortex from Korea and UK ...) !!!
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maybe Samsung try to behave WISER in US
step by step and better performance
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Samsung will do the same sh*t with the S4 as they did with the S3.
3 months after releasing the S3 i9300 in Australia they released the S3 4g i9305. Helps boost sales to suckers like me.
This time they'll probably release the i9505 lte snapdragon version then a few months down the track claim they found a way to get 4g working on the Octa and probably release a i9510.
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Was this exynos lte variant released on all the major carriers? More in particular was it released for at&t?
exynos for note 2, im guessing they were able to fit in a LTE chip due to the size of the phone 5.5
since the s4 keeps the s3 form factor, plus almost 1mm thinner, there was no way they couldve included lte with the exynos.
Plus they are having manufacturing issues with the exynos, so by fall when the note 3 launches, it shouldnt be a issue.
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Was this exynos lte variant released on all the major carriers? More in particular was it released for at&t?
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Not sure but I believe in the US they stayed the same dual core models. In some overseas markets where the international model was sold they then introduced the quad core lte model (i9305).
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You guys should search before posting. There is already a thread discussing this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2200796
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Refer to the existing thread cited above.
ive searched and havent found the answer to this question ... i was wondering what radio (signal) chip the us version of the s4 will come out with.. will use the same as on the sgs2/sgs3 or will it use the same as on the Galaxy note2?
Since they are LTE versions and I don't think Intel/Infineon is producing an LTE X-Gold chipset yet - almost surely Qualcom MDM9xxx
Note2 was MDM9615, S4 could be MDM9625
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Since they are LTE versions and I don't think Intel/Infineon is producing an LTE X-Gold chipset yet - almost surely Qualcom MDM9xxx
Note2 was MDM9615, S4 could be MDM9625
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thanks for the reply
guess will have to wait for the release to check exact chip .
it is my understanding that the US has the snapdragon Note 3. However, my model number is SM-N900A. I got it from Walmart here in Hawaii. I hear this is the Exynos variant. I want the snapdragon, should I take it back and hope to get the correct one?
The 900A is US at&t, it's snapdragon. There is no Exnyos one sold here in the US at normal retail outlets.
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it is my understanding that the US has the snapdragon Note 3. However, my model number is SM-N900A. I got it from Walmart here in Hawaii. I hear this is the Exynos variant. I want the snapdragon, should I take it back and hope to get the correct one?
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Look here http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=4937&c=samsung_sm-n900a_galaxy_note_3_lte_32gb, if you would have used Google you would have found this too It allready has the Qualcomm Snapdragon chip appearently. Install CPU-Z from Play for hardware info.
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if you would have used Google you would have found this too It allready has the Qualcomm Snapdragon chip appearently. Install CPU-Z from Play for hardware info.
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I did google it. I came up with this "First off, let’s talk about the two different models that the Note III is going to be shipping in, the SM-900 and the SM-9005. The SM-900 is going to feature 3GB RAM and the Samsung Exynos 5420, which is of course, Octa-Core. Meanwhile, the SM-9005 is packing the same 3GB of RAM but a Quad-Core Snapdragon 800 instead of the Exynos. "
But thanks for the CPU Z, it does infact say snapdragon.
Exynos 3g network and Snapdragon for 4g LTE network, Exynos mostly available in SE Asia where 4g not yet popular.
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Is it possible FM radio on sm 935f
Because FM radio t mobile future
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Is it possible FM radio on sm 935f
Because FM radio t mobile future
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One such system improvement that T-Mobile users discovered is the activation of the radio receiver on the device. The Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 processor inside the Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge integrates an FM chip, but T-Mobile – like many other carriers – disabled it, at least initially.
The "correct" question is: Does the Exynos 8 Octa 8890 processor integrates an FM chip too?
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One such system improvement that T-Mobile users discovered is the activation of the radio receiver on the device. The Qualcomm Snapdragon 820 processor inside the Galaxy S7 and S7 Edge integrates an FM chip, but T-Mobile – like many other carriers – disabled it, at least initially.
The "correct" question is: Does the Exynos 8 Octa 8890 processor integrates an FM chip too?
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On this, the answer is NO!
Really???
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The quad-core 7570 is the first Exynos chip to have all wireless tech, including Cat.4 LTE, WiFi, Bluetooth, FM and GNSS (GPS), built in to a single chip so why wouldn't the Exynos 8 Octa 8890 SoC have an integrated FM receiver ?
First time ever I am jealous to not have a snapdragon variant then. I had no idea.
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First time ever I am jealous to not have a snapdragon variant then. I had no idea.
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Yes, for this one sometimes feel jealous. But the snapdragon's type is also more envious feel to the exynos because the community is crowded about cusrom and all modifications