I don't get how the largest electronics company in the world cannot work out how to make 4G support for their main smart phone chip. Like it's the biggest failure about this phone, the only reason why I wanted it was for the Exynos 5 + the 544 but instead now we get the Snapdragon with the Adreno 320. Basically it has the same internals as every other frigging phone out there and I bet they'll be cheaper too like the HTC One has no up front cost.
It's just made me got "forget the GS4" not only did it look no different to the GS3 but the internals are a let down too because Samsung doesn't have 4G support for Exynos. At this point I'm just going to end my contract, go on a month by month contract as it's only £12 for unlimited data what I'm paying £40 a month for now. Then I'm just going to wait it out for something better, hopefully Nokia do a 41mp Windows Phone or something actually interesting rather than these lack luster phones we've had so far this year.
I was gonna upgrade but no Exynos 5 + 4G = no sale.
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I don't get how the largest electronics company in the world cannot work out how to make 4G support for their main smart phone chip. Like it's the biggest failure about this phone, the only reason why I wanted it was for the Exynos 5 + the 544 but instead now we get the Snapdragon with the Adreno 320. Basically it has the same internals as every other frigging phone out there and I bet they'll be cheaper too like the HTC One has no up front cost.
It's just made me got "forget the GS4" not only did it look no different to the GS3 but the internals are a let down too because Samsung doesn't have 4G support for Exynos. At this point I'm just going to end my contract, go on a month by month contract as it's only £12 for unlimited data what I'm paying £40 a month for now. Then I'm just going to wait it out for something better, hopefully Nokia do a 41mp Windows Phone or something actually interesting rather than these lack luster phones we've had so far this year.
I was gonna upgrade but no Exynos 5 + 4G = no sale.
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Using a seperate radio and SoC consumes more battery, and LTE already consumers more battery. The N2 has a gigantic battery which is why it was released with Exynos. With 40 different LTE bands a different radio has to be used depending on the market which also makes developing and supporting the s/w a pain in the ass.
This is coming out mid-year and should allow multiband LTE-capable devices to be built and sold just like HSPA devices have been in the past. Samung's already said they plan on using it.
http://www.qualcomm.com/media/relea...olution-enables-single-global-lte-design-next
Thing is if that comes out later in the year, at that point I might as well just see what Nokia or Apple do and possible Google will have the Nexus 5 by then. It's just not good enough really and I have my upgrade now from my GS2 like loads of other people who got one in 2011.
What are u talking about the upgrade is HUGE
www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-s4-vs-samsung-galaxy-s3-169204/
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The Exynos supports LTE so the whole question you're posing is loaded with misinformation.
The question you should be asking why Samsung decided to pair it up with the Qualcomm instead; that has some more meaningful answers and hypothesises:
- The Octa is not ready for mass-production in the quantity so to satisfy the demand for the biggest flagship phone on the market right now.
- Because of the above, they chose to multi-source the SoC.
- Because the LTE models are supposedly globally multi-band it is easier to engineer only two models.
- Why did they even release it as such - that's what most people are angry about; it sucks for the enthusiasts but it makes perfect sense from a business perspective. Release it early so to catch as many users as possible who would be otherwise tempted by the HTC One or the Z.
And who says that we won't get a refresh with Exynos and LTE.
Using a seperate radio and SoC consumes more battery, and LTE already consumers more battery.
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That argument is useless here. The Snapdragon 600 doesn't have an integrated modem so they still need a separate LTE chip. And also proven by demonstration by the many new LTE devices which separate chip (Note 2, i9305, One), the battery argument is again something which seemed to be pulled out of thin air last year.
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The Exynos supports LTE so the whole question you're posing is loaded with misinformation.
The question you should be asking why Samsung decided to pair it up with the Qualcomm instead; that has some more meaningful answers and hypothesises:
- The Octa is not ready for mass-production in the quantity so to satisfy the demand for the biggest flagship phone on the market right now.
- Because of the above, they chose to multi-source the SoC.
- Because the LTE models are supposedly globally multi-band it is easier to engineer only two models.
- Why did they even release it as such - that's what most people are angry about; it sucks for the enthusiasts but it makes perfect sense from a business perspective. Release it early so to catch as many users as possible who would be otherwise tempted by the HTC One or the Z.
And who says that we won't get a refresh with Exynos and LTE.
That argument is useless here. The Snapdragon 600 doesn't have an integrated modem so they still need a separate LTE chip. And also proven by demonstration by the many new LTE devices which separate chip (Note 2, i9305, One), the battery argument is again something which seemed to be pulled out of thin air last year.
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It's unlikely we will get a refresh with Exynos + LTE. Even the Korean LTE versions are Snapdragon-based.
We might see them earliest in Note 3.
Livebyte said:
It's unlikely we will get a refresh with Exynos + LTE. Even the Korean LTE versions are Snapdragon-based.
We might see them earliest in Note 3.
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It's up to Samsung.
Japan also got a refresh and was in the same situation; original release was the Qualcomm S3, then they got the S3 Alpha which is basically an i9305 with the Note 2 Exynos revision. T-Mobile are also adopting their M3 (i9305) variant.
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The Octa is not ready for mass-production in the quantity so to satisfy the demand for the biggest flagship phone on the market right now.
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Wild ass guess.
Because of the above, they chose to multi-source the SoC.
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They used Exynos 4 in tablets last year so they had plenty and still multi-sourced.
Because the LTE models are supposedly globally multi-band it is easier to engineer only two models.
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Until the RF360 comes out LTE radios are hardware limited as to the bands they support so there are multiple radio configurations based on where the device is to be sold or used.
Release it early so to catch as many users as possible
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Wild ass guess. How many mainstream users know what an Octa or Snapdragon is and would care if they did?
And who says that we won't get a refresh with Exynos and LTE.
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A wild ass guess I'd agree with based on it driving more profit for Samsung by using their own SoC.
That argument is useless here. The Snapdragon 600 doesn't have an integrated modem so they still need a separate LTE chip. And also proven by demonstration by the many new LTE devices which separate chip (Note 2, i9305, One), the battery argument is against something which seemed to be pulled out of thin air last year.
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Why did Samsung deploy the N2 with Exynos/LTE and not the SGS3?
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Why did Samsung deploy the N2 with Exynos/LTE and not the SGS3?
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Qualcomm didn't start offering a standalone LTE+GSM combo solution until late 2012 as far as I know. And Samsung did eventually offer an Exynos+LTE SGS3 with the I9305, which was released in fall 2012.
I suspect the Exynos vs. Qualcomm difference has nothing to do with LTE but is for some other reason, as others have said, the Snapdragon variants are not using one of the Qualcomms with integrated baseband, but one of the standalone modem chipsets (like the Xperia Z and Nexus 4 do... And in fact I think every quad-Krait device on the market is using an APQ with an external modem chipset.) Probably production rampup is one of the issues, also, the Exynos5 "Octa" is not by any means a proven platform, so Samsung might be sticking with a more proven base for the majority of their devices.
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Until the RF360 comes out LTE radios are hardware limited as to the bands they support so there are multiple radio configurations based on where the device is to be sold or used.
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I think you're massively mistaking amplifiers and actual modems. The modems are identical on all models since they're compatible with everything. The Note 2 LTE variants are globally the same thing and the only difference are the antennas and amplifiers.
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They used Exynos 4 in tablets last year so they had plenty and still multi-sourced.
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Why did Samsung deploy the N2 with Exynos/LTE and not the SGS3?
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"Last year" encompasses a period of 12 months, so please think a bit before doing such arguments. The S3 was launched on May 29th while the second device to have the Exynos was the Galaxy Note 10.1 in mid-August. That's already a 3-month period between devices and in manufacturing terms, that's an eternity. Furthermore you're comparing a device in double-digit million sales within the first two months to a tablet which basically nobody bought.
Furthermore they did not release it with LTE because at the time there wasn't any discrete modem available and only Qualcomm's MSM offered LTE capability. This is the same reason the Tegra 3 One X never came out in the LTE enabled countries, they were in exactly the same situation. The Note 2 (And i9305) came out with the Exynos + Qualcomm because the MDM9215 was specifically available as a discrete chip by that time.
Also please refrain from calling things wild ass guesses when your own claims are even more uninformed.
Check this:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/Exynos/data/competitive.pdf
BTW, does s600 have integrated LTE? I believe not.
I recall the model name was APQ***
s800 is supposed to have integrated LTE.
hot_spare said:
Check this:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/Exynos/data/competitive.pdf
BTW, does s600 have integrated LTE? I believe not.
I recall the model name was APQ***
s800 is supposed to have integrated LTE.
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No, the 600 being included in the GS4 is an APQ - which means no integrated baseband.
While there are quad Kraits with integrated modem on Qualcomm's roadmap, they are quite rare. As in I have yet to see a quad-Krait device that wasn't an APQ.
Could be related to the yield issues mentioned in the PDF above.
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The Exynos supports LTE so the whole question you're posing is loaded with misinformation.
The question you should be asking why Samsung decided to pair it up with the Qualcomm instead; that has some more meaningful answers and hypothesises:
- The Octa is not ready for mass-production in the quantity so to satisfy the demand for the biggest flagship phone on the market right now.
- Because of the above, they chose to multi-source the SoC.
- Because the LTE models are supposedly globally multi-band it is easier to engineer only two models.
- Why did they even release it as such - that's what most people are angry about; it sucks for the enthusiasts but it makes perfect sense from a business perspective. Release it early so to catch as many users as possible who would be otherwise tempted by the HTC One or the Z.
And who says that we won't get a refresh with Exynos and LTE.
That argument is useless here. The Snapdragon 600 doesn't have an integrated modem so they still need a separate LTE chip. And also proven by demonstration by the many new LTE devices which separate chip (Note 2, i9305, One), the battery argument is again something which seemed to be pulled out of thin air last year.
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Can you give more information on which LTE bands exynos supports?
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Can you give more information on which LTE bands exynos supports?
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Exynos4 and Exynos5 don't support ANY LTE bands directly. In fact they don't have built in wireless capability of any form. Neither does the Snapdragon 600 that is going to be sold in the GS4, neither does the APQ8064 used in many current Qualcomm quad-Krait devices.
All of the above depend on an external modem chipset, in almost all cases for LTE devices Qualcomm MDM9x15 or MDM9x25. Band support is determined by the RF frontend chipset (Qualcomm WTR1605L in all cases probably) and what bands the manufacturer added RF frontend filters for.
There is nothing that prevents a MDM9x15 or 9x25 from being hung off of an Exynos4 or Exynos5 (in fact, that's what was done for LTE Note2 variants).
The misconception that "this or that CPU doesn't support LTE" comes from the early days of LTE when the only multiband multimode modem was Qualcomm's, and initially Qualcomm only provided it in the form of fully integrated MSM CPU+baseband solutions. But since Qualcomm started selling the standalone MDM9615 last fall or so, there's nothing preventing any CPU with HSIC support (which basically any modern CPU has) from having LTE connectivity.
Exynos "Octa" not having LTE almost surely has nothing to do with technical incompatibilities but everything to do with Samsung not wanting to put all of their eggs in one basket with an unproven highly complex processor.
so what will be the better choice ? Snapdragon or Exynos, if both support 4G?
Now if the extnos octa does support lte, which I believe it does just not American frequencies. If it has a Qualcomm radio and its model supports multi band or world radio chip that support everything (forgot model number). Can a different modem enable those lte bands or is it all hardware related??
S4 Exynos 5 import -- 4g works?
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Exynos "Octa" not having LTE almost surely has nothing to do with technical incompatibilities but everything to do with Samsung not wanting to put all of their eggs in one basket with an unproven highly complex processor.
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Absolute novice here, so if it's not down to technical reasons would an imported GS4 with the Exynos 5 still actually work with 4G networks, or will it just not work end-of? Would there be any way to mod the phone's firmware to get the 4G supported, or is the failure due to the hardware itself?
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Absolute novice here, so if it's not down to technical reasons would an imported GS4 with the Exynos 5 still actually work with 4G networks, or will it just not work end-of? Would there be any way to mod the phone's firmware to get the 4G supported, or is the failure due to the hardware itself?
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Same question here. Furthermore, I am curious as to why no one else makes LTE modem besides Qualcomm.
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Absolute novice here, so if it's not down to technical reasons would an imported GS4 with the Exynos 5 still actually work with 4G networks, or will it just not work end-of? Would there be any way to mod the phone's firmware to get the 4G supported, or is the failure due to the hardware itself?
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Each device is customized for the bands it will run on. See the Note2 as an example - There are multiple t0lte variants, the N7105, I317 (AT&T), T-Mobile version, Sprint version, Verizon version - Each had RF frontend hardware customized for their target carrier/region. The CPU was the same (Exynos), the modem was the same (MDM9615), the primary RF chipset was the same (WTR1605L I *think*), but the RF frontend filter and switching circuitry was different for each variant, meaning you couldn't just flash an I317 baseband to N7105 and get AT&T LTE support for example.
As to why no one else is making an LTE modem besides Qualcomm - Qualcomm have more experience with these things than any other company. Many of the core principles of communications theory were created by Qualcomm's founders. Principles of Communication Engineering is still considered the Bible of communications theory, written by Wozencraft and Jacobs (Jacobs being one of the founders of Qualcomm, along with Andrew Viterbi, famous for the Viterbi Algorithm.) Same reason Qualcomm was the first company to achieve reasonably power-efficient UMTS baseband chipsets.
Edit: Here's a good read regarding Qualcomm's modems: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6541/the-state-of-qualcomms-modems-wtr1605-and-mdm9x25
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octa core with lte all 20 bands???
go to sammobile and look the new news.
Octacore supports LTE all 20 bands
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Engadget has a great teaser up today for those of us in the US awaiting the AT&T release
I don't understand... how is this any more significant than it going through the FCC the first time (back in September)? The only difference seems to be that it now has a slightly ammended model#.
I see it as progress, that htye have renumbered it. Hopefully in the first quarter, second quarter would be ok, too.....I can wait
GTFO with that kind of news. It is depressing to read that from a T-Mobile perspective!
The 1700/2100 banding version is due out in Korea anytime no worries
Damn, looks like we'll have to wait even longer for the LTE version.
Boo... I was sick of waiting so I got the GSII. If it comes out in like 2 1/2 weeks then I will eat the 35$ restocking fee... but I dont see that happening. Oh well, guess Ill just stick with a slightly less awesome phone
Great news. And I frankly don't care if it's not LTE capable. I just hope they don't make a hardware change that affects performance.
I just wish they would put it out already and make it compatible with t-mobile. I am so sick of Samsung and their BS. Why is every US release involving them such a mess?
I was hoping this was gonna be news about ICS Oh well, I am having fun playing with my galaxy note now
A few things to note here.
1. There's no showing of this most recent version (GT-N7000B) having the 700MHz capability, which means AT&T 2G/3G only, no 4G LTE.
2. As we've seen with the GT-N7003, if/when they DO offer an LTE version it will be with a the Snapdragon 1.5GHz (8255T) chip...Which has the INFERIOR (as compared to the Mali 400MP in the Exynos version) Adreno 205 GPU!!!
I don't get the thinking with using an older generation Adreno 205 with a monstrous 5.3" 1280x800 rez phone?? That's like throwing a Ford Escort engine under the hood of a Hummer body (alright, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but still... For a screen/rez on the Note, it seems you'd want the best possible GPU driving it).
The 1700/2100 banding version is due out in Korea anytime no worries
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Huh? Am I missing something? I've been reading it's out in S. Korea in the LTE/Snapdragon flavor....Where are you hearing 1700/2100?
This is great news only if AT&T puts the Note in their system. Big question is is it a tablet or a phone AT&T must be having real problems figuring this out! What will happen if they put this in their system, will a European version then show up and be able to get an APN automatically downloaded to the phone?
I really hope they figure out how to keep the Exynos and not drop in the Snapdragon to enable LTE compatibility. The original GS2 is just so much snappier than the Snapdragon Skyrocket.
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Great news. And I frankly don't care if it's not LTE capable. I just hope they don't make a hardware change that affects performance.
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exactly what I was thinking
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Huh? Am I missing something? I've been reading it's out in S. Korea in the LTE/Snapdragon flavor....Where are you hearing 1700/2100?
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I think Korea uses CDMA 1700/2100 bands.
n25philly said:
I just wish they would put it out already and make it compatible with t-mobile. I am so sick of Samsung and their BS. Why is every US release involving them such a mess?
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Why is that necessarily Samsung's fault?
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1. There's no showing of this most recent version (GT-N7000B) having the 700MHz capability, which means AT&T 2G/3G only, no 4G LTE.
2. As we've seen with the GT-N7003, if/when they DO offer an LTE version it will be with a the Snapdragon 1.5GHz (8255T) chip...Which has the INFERIOR (as compared to the Mali 400MP in the Exynos version) Adreno 205 GPU!!!
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My fear of an eventual AT&T release being LTE (and therefore getting slower hardware) is why I went ahead and ordered an international version (before today, not realizing that AT&T would release a non LTE version). I'd love to have LTE, but not at the expense of the slower hardware.
Its AT&T, enjoy your anal plundering... and still ranked WORST of the carriers in customer satisfaction...
TMobile, or Verizon and ill Pre order the thing (oh, and sans the ****ty snapdragon)
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Why is that necessarily Samsung's fault?
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I don't know, maybe because they make the phone? Then again going out of your way to not have customers seems to make sense in the cell phone business for some reason.
I have been perfectly happy with AT&T for many, many years (I predate the Cingular years, back to original AT&T). I don't care about 4G or LTE, I just want the Note in my hands sooner rather than later. I certainly hope they class it as a phone, if they don't, then I'll bitterly move onto the SGS II or whatever snazzy new phone is out at that time.
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I don't know, maybe because they make the phone?
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Seems to me that Tmobile would have to be interested in carrying it for Samsung to be intersted in making it. Samsung can't count on a significant number of Tmobile customers buying an already niche phone unsubsidized.
Have you seen this?
http://www.theandroidsoul.com/north...ampaign=Feed:+TheAndroidSoul+(TheAndroidSoul)
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The Samsung rep made it a point to correct himself at the beginning, changing "Quad-core and LTE" to "Quad-core or LTE." He was pretty knowledgeable about the product unlike most reps. Take it fwiw.
Go to 0:50.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SmxJo4gvSA&feature=player_embedded
i would not take that as evidence.
i do not get this "other processor for LTE devices" thing, since there was this anouncement by samsung a while back that they have integrated LTE-stuff in their exynos chipset.
What about the news about the mid level Samsung phone going to Sprint? It has the S4 chip...sooooo, they wouldn't use the same chip for both the high end And mid level phones, would they?
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i would not take that as evidence.
i do not get this "other processor for LTE devices" thing, since there was this anouncement by samsung a while back that they have integrated LTE-stuff in their exynos chipset.
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It still may not be ready for production, those announcements may come even years before an actual release.
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What about the news about the mid level Samsung phone going to Sprint? It has the S4 chip...sooooo, they wouldn't use the same chip for both the high end And mid level phones, would they?
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No, that isn't true. it just might not have as big of a screen, and not high of a resolution in addition the glass would be smaller and everything in general would cost less to manufacture.
It's not always the processor.
this is where my info was from:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/19/unnamed-samsung-exec-says-quad-core-exynos-inside-galaxy-s-iii/
An unnamed Samsung exec hinted to the Korea Times that its upcoming flagship, the Galaxy S III, will include a next-gen quad-core Exynos chip that will incorporate LTE and WCDMA radios
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v1rtu4l said:
this is where my info was from:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/03/19/unnamed-samsung-exec-says-quad-core-exynos-inside-galaxy-s-iii/
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It has been said that the Korean version will have LTE and the Exynos but they use a different base band for their LTE than the US and the chipset and radio are totally different and that's why it's compatible.
Well, if you believe that rogers image...? The Slll will have have both the Quad core Exynos & LTE...
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General chatter in the general thread please.
Also as far as I know exynos does not play nice with LTE currently, which is why all the current LTE SGS2 variants have qcom chips.
May have changed, but I would not take a random advert as proof either way.
Does Qualcomm even have a blueprint for a non LTE Qualcomm S4 pro? Meaning is it as simple as leaving out the LTE radios? Or would they have to move everything around and make a smaller heat sink, or make it more compact, change the voltage etc.? If the latter is the case, that would cost a hell of a lot money to redesign it.
Is there any chance that the radios are still there like the T-mobile Galaxy Note 2 and a custom rom away from LTE? From my understanding, the LTE radios should be part of the actual S4 pro SOC and difficult to just take out unlike separated solutions like the Exynos 4412.
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Does Qualcomm even have a blueprint for a non LTE Qualcomm S4 pro? Meaning is it as simple as leaving out the LTE radios? Or would they have to move everything around and make a smaller heat sink, or make it more compact, change the voltage etc.? If the latter is the case, that would cost a hell of a lot money to redesign it.
Is there any chance that the radios are still there like the T-mobile Galaxy Note 2 and a custom rom away from LTE? From my understanding, the LTE radios should be part of the actual S4 pro SOC and difficult to just take out unlike separated solutions like the Exynos 4412.
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According to the specs thread on the forum it needs a transciever to enable LTE, which it doesn't.
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According to the specs thread on the forum it needs a transciever to enable LTE, which it doesn't.
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Google left out LTE at least in part to save money on licensing, which means there is definitely no way it's in the hardware just waiting for a custom ROM.
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Does Qualcomm even have a blueprint for a non LTE Qualcomm S4 pro? Meaning is it as simple as leaving out the LTE radios? Or would they have to move everything around and make a smaller heat sink, or make it more compact, change the voltage etc.? If the latter is the case, that would cost a hell of a lot money to redesign it.
Is there any chance that the radios are still there like the T-mobile Galaxy Note 2 and a custom rom away from LTE? From my understanding, the LTE radios should be part of the actual S4 pro SOC and difficult to just take out unlike separated solutions like the Exynos 4412.
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APQ8064 S4 pro doesn't appear to have an integrated LTE radio.
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APQ8064 S4 pro doesn't appear to have an integrated LTE radio.
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I see. They actually do have one without any modems. Weird, lucky they ran into Google cause I don't think they would have had many customers for that one if it wasn't for the Nexus 4.
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I see. They actually do have one without any modems. Weird, lucky they ran into Google cause I don't think they would have had many customers for that one if it wasn't for the Nexus 4.
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I mean i dont see why its weird. They make chips of course they are going to have an option without LTE. They sell in more then just the US market.
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I see. They actually do have one without any modems. Weird, lucky they ran into Google cause I don't think they would have had many customers for that one if it wasn't for the Nexus 4.
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This is a typical American answer, I'm sorry but it is. You think everything in the world revolves around you, there's actually a whole world out there that couldn't care less about if the Nexus 4 has LTE or not and I'm just ONE of the "others". Not here to wager a war about it but just stop whining about missing LTE, either live with it or buy something else.
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This is a typical American answer, I'm sorry but it is. You think everything in the world revolves around you, there's actually a whole world out there that couldn't care less about if the Nexus 4 has LTE or not and I'm just ONE of the "others". Not here to wager a war about it but just stop whining about missing LTE, either live with it or buy something else.
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I am not whining. lol. The reason I thought that Qualcomm only made LTE integrated chips was because they marketed the crap out of them being the only integrated solution. If I was a buyer and I didn't want LTE, I would probably go with the Exynos 4412 for the brand name so I genuinely didn't know that Qualcomm made non LTE solutions.
I was wrong and I am man enough to admit it and now this thread can die in piece.
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I am not whining. lol. The reason I thought that Qualcomm only made LTE integrated chips was because they marketed the crap out of them being the only integrated solution. If I was a buyer and I didn't want LTE, I would probably go with the Exynos 4412 for the brand name so I genuinely didn't know that Qualcomm made non LTE solutions.
I was wrong and I am man enough to admit it and now this thread can die in piece.
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Thanks you Sir!
On a side note though I as a "flashoholic" as codeworkx called it is very much satisfied and thankful that the Nexus 4 isn't a crapsynos based phone(I owned an S3 for 4 months before getting sick of it). So looking forward to get the N4 in like three weeks when it starts shipping here...
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If I was a buyer and I didn't want LTE, I would probably go with the Exynos 4412 for the brand name
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The GPU in the s4 pro runs circles around the one in the 4412. (Well when it is working properly anyways)
The new Mali T604 in the exynos 5250 is much faster and in the same league. For myself I may end up actually waiting for an exynos 5 based phone for a few reasons...
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I understand that they crippled the s3 because of issues with lte compatibility. (even though the korean version has quad exynos and lte)
However, I was under the impression samsung had worked this all out with exynos in the note 2. Also didn't either three or ee or whatever it was in the uk say they would have lte on the galaxy s iv, but only the us variant gets snapdragon? This makes absolutely no sense to me. Samsung is alienating a rather large market.
Now don't get me wrong, i am under no circumstance saying the snapdragon 600 is a bad processor, i think its really great. The gpu is really good too. However, When i think samsung, I think of exynos as its staple, built in-house samsung optimized processor. Also, i think we can all safely assume that the octa will be more powerful do to it being a real a15 quadcore (with the a7 power savers) and not just having a15 like characteristics. Furthermore the sgx 544 has been shown to be a more powerful gpu than the 320 other than not have open gl es 3.0. So i'm confused here. Is there something I'm missing? Am i the only one thinking this?
ps. Anyone hear anything about the exynos 5 quad? Why not use that?
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did you bother to read what i wrote? plus http://www.phonearena.com/news/International-Samsung-Galaxy-S-4-visits-the-FCC_id40875
I'm not sure about the LTE specs, if the exynos 5 octa supports it or not but what i know is this: The snapdragon 600 will be PLENTY. It is a very very powerful processor. The only reason i'm going for the exynos 5 octa version is because it is the international version and it is the one that would get all the dev support, more roms and faster updates. But as far as performance goes? They will be identical. Nobody is crippled here
Most likely supply issues those 8 cores don't make themselves then again the lte issue could have sprung up again because this isn't a traditional processor
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did you bother to read what i wrote? plus http://www.phonearena.com/news/International-Samsung-Galaxy-S-4-visits-the-FCC_id40875
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Yeah, I read what you wrote. I would assume it is in fact a limitation of LTE. Maybe they don't have a version of their current gen chip that is compatible with LTE bands used in the US.
You think Samsung wants to buy SoC from another vender?
I am a noob and a lil confused on this so bare with me please. I am dying to get this phone I live in NYC and have verizon. I take from this that the international version will not work on 4g LTE? AM I better off getting the snap dragon version(US)?
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I am a noob and a lil confused on this so bare with me please. I am dying to get this phone I live in NYC and have verizon. I take from this that the international version will not work on 4g LTE? AM I better off getting the snap dragon version(US)?
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The international one won't even work on verizon (it takes a sim card and is gsm. Verizon is a cdma network that just uses your esn)
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The international one won't even work on verizon (it takes a sim card and is gsm. Verizon is a cdma network that just uses your esn)
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Will it be able be used on anyother us network ex:att , tmobile.
Are you sure it will get dev support? I thought cyanogenmod quit developing for the international s 3 because Samsung wouldn't release some code for the exynos on the s 3 international version.
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Will it be able be used on anyother us network ex:att , tmobile.
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Any gsm network...att, tmobile..etc
Any cdma carrier will not work with international phones...Verizon, sprint...etc
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When i got my Droid 4G from Verizon, i got a card in it. Was this a SIM card? I thought that is what she said it was. From what i just read here, i shouldn't need the card for Verizon.
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did you bother to read what i wrote? plus http://www.phonearena.com/news/International-Samsung-Galaxy-S-4-visits-the-FCC_id40875
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It says in that article that the international one has LTE Band 5.
Look at the list of band frequencies : http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/cellulartelecomms/lte-long-term-evolution/lte-frequency-spectrum.php
This is the European band (around 800-850mhz).
If you look here :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
It shows that alot of europe uses LTE 800, and alot of japan uses LTE 850. This is even further confirmed by the fact that Italy is confirmed to get the OCTA version, and 2/3 of their major networks use 800mhz LTE.
However, I have reason to doubt this article. It says the T-mobile version uses Band 15. Band 15 is 1900MHz. T-mobile LTE uses AWS (1700/2100, AWS band). It makes way more sense to assume that the Snapdragon version contains AWS LTE band 4 (this would cover all of Canada and most of the US)
Hope this helps clear a few things up.
TLDR ; Exynos HAS LTE, but only the European band
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It says in that article that the international one has LTE Band 5.
Look at the list of band frequencies : http://www.radio-electronics.com/info/cellulartelecomms/lte-long-term-evolution/lte-frequency-spectrum.php
This is the European band (around 800-850mhz).
If you look here :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LTE_networks
It shows that alot of europe uses LTE 800, and alot of japan uses LTE 850. This is even further confirmed by the fact that Italy is confirmed to get the OCTA version, and 2/3 of their major networks use 800mhz LTE.
However, I have reason to doubt this article. It says the T-mobile version uses Band 15. Band 15 is 1900MHz. T-mobile LTE uses AWS (1700/2100, AWS band). It makes way more sense to assume that the Snapdragon version contains AWS LTE band 4 (this would cover all of Canada and most of the US)
Hope this helps clear a few things up.
TLDR ; Exynos HAS LTE, but only the European band
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thanks that makes alot more sense. It's just too bad samsung didn't use a seperate modem or plan for that in advance.
Just remember that the snapdragon will be a plus for development. As many developers have sworn off the exynos chip
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zelendel said:
Just remember that the snapdragon will be a plus for development. As many developers have sworn off the exynos chip
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Yeah, that's the one thing the us version has going for it. Not sure but i thought i saw a post from one of those developers that they would not develop for either though...hoping it was just that one.
Snapdragon 600:
Four Krait 300 cores
Adreno 320 graphics
Exynos 5 Octa:
Cortex-A15
Cortex-A7 CPUs w/
PowerVR SGX544MP3 graphics
Any T-Mobile folks thinking about ordering the International instead of the TM release?
Hmmm....decisions decisions....
conrat2000 said:
When i got my Droid 4G from Verizon, i got a card in it. Was this a SIM card? I thought that is what she said it was. From what i just read here, i shouldn't need the card for Verizon.
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That card is to access verizons LTE networks ....its not a sim like att/tmobile
Will people quit posting worthless threads about the processor already!? The snapdragon is going to be better in reality because it clocks faster and wastes much less battery combined with lte. Plus, developers hate exynos and won't develope for it.
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I'm not sure about the LTE specs, if the exynos 5 octa supports it or not but what i know is this: The snapdragon 600 will be PLENTY. It is a very very powerful processor. The only reason i'm going for the exynos 5 octa version is because it is the international version and it is the one that would get all the dev support, more roms and faster updates. But as far as performance goes? They will be identical. Nobody is crippled here
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I would assume the us version would get more support from developers such as CM since samsung won't release the codes of the exynos based processors, hence not being able to run it up to its full potential. So with the S600 that shouldn't be the case. No?
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Why can't Samsung make one chipset that supports for all countries. I don't have a great knowledge in chip designing. But i am always curious to know why different chipsets are needed for LTE. Why Exynos is not compatible with LTE (USA LTE). How is the scenario with iphone, iphone 5 is in India too. Does it have a different chipset from USA's ?
Processer problem? or not
varunkumars said:
Why can't Samsung make one chipset that supports for all countries. I don't have a great knowledge in chip designing. But i am always curious to know why different chipsets are needed for LTE. Why Exynos is not compatible with LTE (USA LTE). How is the scenario with iphone, iphone 5 is in India too. Does it have a different chipset from USA's ?
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Well.. I don't think that problem is into Main chipset.
The galaxy s3's Exynos 4412 processer supports LTE. but samsung released by 3G version. I don't know why is itand also, samsung released korean galaxy s4 version by LTE with Exynos again
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(Korean Version of Galaxy S3 gets Exynos4412 LTE/2GB RAM/and also LTE Conn.)
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Also with Note2 , Samsung launched with One Exynos processer chipset worldwide, same phone, just different modem and radio files.
I thought Samsung did sortout LTE band issue.
But but, Samsung dissapointed me with snapdragon qualcomm chipset in Canada again.
varunkumars said:
Why can't Samsung make one chipset that supports for all countries. I don't have a great knowledge in chip designing. But i am always curious to know why different chipsets are needed for LTE. Why Exynos is not compatible with LTE (USA LTE). How is the scenario with iphone, iphone 5 is in India too. Does it have a different chipset from USA's ?
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I think it s about the Trust from Americans
i m not american but i trust on Snapdragon (from USA) more than Exynos (& Cortex from Korea and UK ...) !!!
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maybe Samsung try to behave WISER in US
step by step and better performance
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Samsung will do the same sh*t with the S4 as they did with the S3.
3 months after releasing the S3 i9300 in Australia they released the S3 4g i9305. Helps boost sales to suckers like me.
This time they'll probably release the i9505 lte snapdragon version then a few months down the track claim they found a way to get 4g working on the Octa and probably release a i9510.
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Was this exynos lte variant released on all the major carriers? More in particular was it released for at&t?
exynos for note 2, im guessing they were able to fit in a LTE chip due to the size of the phone 5.5
since the s4 keeps the s3 form factor, plus almost 1mm thinner, there was no way they couldve included lte with the exynos.
Plus they are having manufacturing issues with the exynos, so by fall when the note 3 launches, it shouldnt be a issue.
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Was this exynos lte variant released on all the major carriers? More in particular was it released for at&t?
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Not sure but I believe in the US they stayed the same dual core models. In some overseas markets where the international model was sold they then introduced the quad core lte model (i9305).
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You guys should search before posting. There is already a thread discussing this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2200796
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Refer to the existing thread cited above.