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It may be here soon....The Note

Engadget has a great teaser up today for those of us in the US awaiting the AT&T release

I don't understand... how is this any more significant than it going through the FCC the first time (back in September)? The only difference seems to be that it now has a slightly ammended model#.

I see it as progress, that htye have renumbered it. Hopefully in the first quarter, second quarter would be ok, too.....I can wait

GTFO with that kind of news. It is depressing to read that from a T-Mobile perspective!

The 1700/2100 banding version is due out in Korea anytime no worries

Damn, looks like we'll have to wait even longer for the LTE version.

Boo... I was sick of waiting so I got the GSII. If it comes out in like 2 1/2 weeks then I will eat the 35$ restocking fee... but I dont see that happening. Oh well, guess Ill just stick with a slightly less awesome phone

Great news. And I frankly don't care if it's not LTE capable. I just hope they don't make a hardware change that affects performance.

I just wish they would put it out already and make it compatible with t-mobile. I am so sick of Samsung and their BS. Why is every US release involving them such a mess?

I was hoping this was gonna be news about ICS Oh well, I am having fun playing with my galaxy note now

A few things to note here.
1. There's no showing of this most recent version (GT-N7000B) having the 700MHz capability, which means AT&T 2G/3G only, no 4G LTE.
2. As we've seen with the GT-N7003, if/when they DO offer an LTE version it will be with a the Snapdragon 1.5GHz (8255T) chip...Which has the INFERIOR (as compared to the Mali 400MP in the Exynos version) Adreno 205 GPU!!!
I don't get the thinking with using an older generation Adreno 205 with a monstrous 5.3" 1280x800 rez phone?? That's like throwing a Ford Escort engine under the hood of a Hummer body (alright, that's a bit of an exaggeration, but still... For a screen/rez on the Note, it seems you'd want the best possible GPU driving it).
The 1700/2100 banding version is due out in Korea anytime no worries
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Huh? Am I missing something? I've been reading it's out in S. Korea in the LTE/Snapdragon flavor....Where are you hearing 1700/2100?

This is great news only if AT&T puts the Note in their system. Big question is is it a tablet or a phone AT&T must be having real problems figuring this out! What will happen if they put this in their system, will a European version then show up and be able to get an APN automatically downloaded to the phone?

I really hope they figure out how to keep the Exynos and not drop in the Snapdragon to enable LTE compatibility. The original GS2 is just so much snappier than the Snapdragon Skyrocket.

bigmout said:
Great news. And I frankly don't care if it's not LTE capable. I just hope they don't make a hardware change that affects performance.
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exactly what I was thinking

Namuna said:
Huh? Am I missing something? I've been reading it's out in S. Korea in the LTE/Snapdragon flavor....Where are you hearing 1700/2100?
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I think Korea uses CDMA 1700/2100 bands.

n25philly said:
I just wish they would put it out already and make it compatible with t-mobile. I am so sick of Samsung and their BS. Why is every US release involving them such a mess?
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Why is that necessarily Samsung's fault?
Namuna said:
1. There's no showing of this most recent version (GT-N7000B) having the 700MHz capability, which means AT&T 2G/3G only, no 4G LTE.
2. As we've seen with the GT-N7003, if/when they DO offer an LTE version it will be with a the Snapdragon 1.5GHz (8255T) chip...Which has the INFERIOR (as compared to the Mali 400MP in the Exynos version) Adreno 205 GPU!!!
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My fear of an eventual AT&T release being LTE (and therefore getting slower hardware) is why I went ahead and ordered an international version (before today, not realizing that AT&T would release a non LTE version). I'd love to have LTE, but not at the expense of the slower hardware.

Its AT&T, enjoy your anal plundering... and still ranked WORST of the carriers in customer satisfaction...
TMobile, or Verizon and ill Pre order the thing (oh, and sans the ****ty snapdragon)

dscline said:
Why is that necessarily Samsung's fault?
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I don't know, maybe because they make the phone? Then again going out of your way to not have customers seems to make sense in the cell phone business for some reason.

I have been perfectly happy with AT&T for many, many years (I predate the Cingular years, back to original AT&T). I don't care about 4G or LTE, I just want the Note in my hands sooner rather than later. I certainly hope they class it as a phone, if they don't, then I'll bitterly move onto the SGS II or whatever snazzy new phone is out at that time.

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I don't know, maybe because they make the phone?
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Seems to me that Tmobile would have to be interested in carrying it for Samsung to be intersted in making it. Samsung can't count on a significant number of Tmobile customers buying an already niche phone unsubsidized.

Note coming to AT&T with LTE, without Exynos

http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/15/samsung-galaxy-note-for-atandt-to-ditch-exynos-sport-4g-lte/

Jeesh, you are on it, I just read this 5 minutes before deterring your thread.

ronj1986 said:
Jeesh, you are on it, I just read this 5 minutes before deterring your thread.
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I'm excited for this phone. It's the perfect upgrade from my Dell Streak.

Wow I ordered one from the UK hours before this story lol. But since AT&T nerfed the processor, I'm not too bummed, and they don't have LTE in Seattle. Also, I have a Streak now too, and saw how AT&T dragged their feet on updates compared to the UK version, so I don't regret my decision
Still, good to hear this.

Can we just assume we'll also get HSPA+?

dwboston said:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/12/15/samsung-galaxy-note-for-atandt-to-ditch-exynos-sport-4g-lte/
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rumor, not official new.

roperband said:
Can we just assume we'll also get HSPA+?
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If this pans out, then yes. It has the same LTE/HSPA+ chipset as the Skyrocket.

Nothing new, just the same speculation as ever. Just a different source speculating this time.

I've been strongly opinionated in other threads, suggesting it's unlikely AT&T will release the Note, but I will gladly eat my words if they do release it. I've had little faith in the few other articles people've posted, but Engadget's a little more believable.
I'd love for an LTE version. I really, REALLY wish there were some way to implement LTE without switching from the exynos processor to the qualcrap. And it's criminal the way AT&T insists on removing hardware home buttons and replacing with the strip of 4 capacitive buttons! Why! That's a completely unnecessary downgrade!
If they release an LTE model and it's 1.5 GHz qualcomm with 4 capacitive buttons instead of the current physical home button model, I'll seriously have a hard time choosing between it and my current (awesome) international version. I'll have to give LTE a try to see if it's worth the sacrifices.

I wish the international version came with NFC so I can try out that android beam on ICS when it comes out

Man I couldn't imagine waiting on AT&T fail version until 2012. Glad I get to enjoy my non nerfed one right now. Grand theft auto 3 runs smooth as butter on this Exynos.
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No Exynos, no thanks. I'll keep the international version.

there goes AT&T again screwing over a good phone...
just get a ****rocket it only has a smaller screen...
save your cash, get international version, get straight talk, save $70 a month, screw at&t

Man I couldn't imagine waiting on AT&T fail version until 2012. Glad I get to enjoy my non nerfed one right now. Grand theft auto 3 runs smooth as butter on this Exynos.
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Yeah..totally screw up!! I have sensation which use msm8660..compare to my galaxy note exynos, my sensation is slow as hell!! But i still in love with sensation due to its sence
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I dislike AT&T as much as the next guy, but what does everyone expect them to do? Their network is overcrowded. Getting some of their customers offloaded to their LTE bandwidth will only help. It's not their fault that Qualcomm currently has the only chipset capable of LTE. You can make a choice: slightly better processor performance and battery life, or faster download speeds. But regardless, AT&T releasing their new phones in LTE is best for everyone. Even those of us who don't have LTE phones could benefit if their 3G network gets a little relief as other customers move to LTE.

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I dislike AT&T as much as the next guy, but what does everyone expect them to do? Their network is overcrowded. Getting some of their customers offloaded to their LTE bandwidth will only help. It's not their fault that Qualcomm currently has the only chipset capable of LTE. You can make a choice: slightly better processor performance and battery life, or faster download speeds. But regardless, AT&T releasing their new phones in LTE is best for everyone. Even those of us who don't have LTE phones could benefit if their 3G network gets a little relief as other customers move to LTE.
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There's nothing wrong with the performance of the Qualcomm LTE-capable chipset. It works fine in my wife's Skyrocket. The only "issue" is that it doesn't benchmark as high as the Exynos for the fanboys who have never seen or used it in person. Maybe Samsung should get off its @zz and make an LTE-capable Exynos chipset to satisfy them.

dwboston said:
There's nothing wrong with the performance of the Qualcomm LTE-capable chipset.
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I didn't mean to suggest that there was. I think the benefits of Exynos tends to be exagerated in these forums. That's why I said slightly better performance. In the reviews I've read (such as SGII vs. Skyrocket), I do get the impression that Exynos versions do have a slight edge in smoothness. Particularly when you consider that the Note has a faster chip than the SGII, while the LTE note will presumably have the same Snapdragon as the Skyrocket, but pushing more pixels. I think it's also fair to say the LTE phones do have higher battery consumption. So there are trade-offs. But the biggest difference is you can get a GSM version now, vs. probably getting an LTE version on some unknown date.

That settles it, I'm going to pull the trigger on the international version.
Anyone wanna buy the AT&T iPhone 4s that I'm going to buy and resell to offset the cost? (black or white, your choice!) ;-)

dscline said:
I didn't mean to suggest that there was. I think the benefits of Exynos tends to be exagerated in these forums. That's why I said slightly better performance. In the reviews I've read (such as SGII vs. Skyrocket), I do get the impression that Exynos versions do have a slight edge in smoothness. Particularly when you consider that the Note has a faster chip than the SGII, while the LTE note will presumably have the same Snapdragon as the Skyrocket, but pushing more pixels. I think it's also fair to say the LTE phones do have higher battery consumption. So there are trade-offs. But the biggest difference is you can get a GSM version now, vs. probably getting an LTE version on some unknown date.
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That comment wasn't directed at you. There were a few ridiculous posts above. And "smoothness" is all user perception. IMO, it's a bit of a crutch used to elevate one device over another when there's nothing else to criticize. I think the vast majority of people complaining about these things on the forums have never held/compared both devices in person - they're strictly going off Quadrant scores and repeating what others have said.
That said, I think the HSPA+/LTE Note will be out on AT&T in January - I don't think we'll be waiting that long for it.

I prefer the four capacitive buttons, but am bummed about the change in processor. I'd rather have the Exynos than LTE.

Verizon Galaxy Tab 7.7 LTE

I just saw the review on slashgear and it shows Mali400MP as the GPU and clock speed of 1.4Ghz
LTE and Exynos?

ph00ny said:
I just saw the review on slashgear and it shows Mali400MP as the GPU and clock speed of 1.4Ghz
LTE and Exynos?
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So claims Samsung.

teiglin said:
So claims Samsung.
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i guess that blows the whole exynos not able to support LTE service out the door
Btw, it comes with an IR port just like the 7.0+
http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-tab-7-7-lte-review-04216701/

Sounds fishy now that Samsung was claiming LTE was not compatible with the Exynos 4210.. Now i'm thinking Samsung has been lying this entire time and opting for the cheap Qualcomm S3 chips that are about half the power of their Exynos just to make easy cash.
Sketchy sketchy Samsung, shame shame.

Diversion said:
Sounds fishy now that Samsung was claiming LTE was not compatible with the Exynos 4210.. Now i'm thinking Samsung has been lying this entire time and opting for the cheap Qualcomm S3 chips that are about half the power of their Exynos just to make easy cash.
Sketchy sketchy Samsung, shame shame.
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I'd love a source link, or reliable citation of any kind, for that claim. I've read a lot of speculation that Exynos wasn't compatible with LTE, but it's always been just that--speculation. It's probably some combination of larger chassis in the 7.7 and its higher cost, where in phones it was both cheaper and easier to just use Qualcomm's chipset with integrated LTE baseband.

So does it mean its a better tab considering that it has LTE and exynos , you can always use voip for voice plus it has an IR blaster.

mywingtophone said:
So does it mean its a better tab considering that it has LTE and exynos , you can always use voip for voice plus it has an IR blaster.
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That's the million dollar question. Well 1) is the LTE 7.7 BETTER? 2) What are it's restrictions/compatibility issues....

teiglin said:
I'd love a source link, or reliable citation of any kind, for that claim. I've read a lot of speculation that Exynos wasn't compatible with LTE, but it's always been just that--speculation. It's probably some combination of larger chassis in the 7.7 and its higher cost, where in phones it was both cheaper and easier to just use Qualcomm's chipset with integrated LTE baseband.
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I can't remember where it was originally stated or where I saw it, but EVERY single Samsung LTE equipped phone that originally came with Exynos ended up with a craptastic Qualcomm S3 chip instead. And it's been common knowledge that the reason was Samsung stated LTE was not compatible with Exynos.
So if the solution is to run a seperate LTE chip + Exynos, sounds like the Verizon LTE 7.7 could be a horrible battery sucker then :/

Diversion said:
I can't remember where it was originally stated or where I saw it, but EVERY single Samsung LTE equipped phone that originally came with Exynos ended up with a craptastic Qualcomm S3 chip instead. And it's been common knowledge that the reason was Samsung stated LTE was not compatible with Exynos.
So if the solution is to run a seperate LTE chip + Exynos, sounds like the Verizon LTE 7.7 could be a horrible battery sucker then :/
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I went to pick one up from the local Verizon store and it's sold out. 0 stock in nyc.
Demo unit was snappy. Noticeably snappier than the 10.1
IR port is definitely there
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I'd like to pick one up - but I don't want to be under contract, so looks like I'll have to shell out $699+tax for one.
Also, it doesn't look like the USA will be getting a Wifi-only variant any time soon. By then Exynos2 will probably be in other tablets.
It's a gamble buying one of these right now due to only getting 14 days to return it to Verizon (plus the $35 restocking fee).

Diversion said:
I can't remember where it was originally stated or where I saw it, but EVERY single Samsung LTE equipped phone that originally came with Exynos ended up with a craptastic Qualcomm S3 chip instead. And it's been common knowledge that the reason was Samsung stated LTE was not compatible with Exynos.
So if the solution is to run a seperate LTE chip + Exynos, sounds like the Verizon LTE 7.7 could be a horrible battery sucker then :/
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Are you sure you're not confusing the Exynos with the Tegra3 processors?

Diversion said:
I'd like to pick one up - but I don't want to be under contract, so looks like I'll have to shell out $699+tax for one.
Also, it doesn't look like the USA will be getting a Wifi-only variant any time soon. By then Exynos2 will probably be in other tablets.
It's a gamble buying one of these right now due to only getting 14 days to return it to Verizon (plus the $35 restocking fee).
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Exynos 5 series isn't supposed to be out until mid year probably with the high res galaxy tab 11.6

Paten said:
Are you sure you're not confusing the Exynos with the Tegra3 processors?
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He's right
all the LTE version of previously exynos devices came out with snapdragon. Same goes for high speed HSPA
AT&T Galaxy S2 Skyrocket
AT&T Galaxy Note
Galaxy Tab 10.1/8.9 LTE
Tmo Galaxy S2

ph00ny said:
He's right
all the LTE version of previously exynos devices came out with snapdragon. Same goes for high speed HSPA
AT&T Galaxy S2 Skyrocket
AT&T Galaxy Note
Galaxy Tab 10.1/8.9 LTE
Tmo Galaxy S2
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Specifically only LTE Samsung phones swapped out the Exynos for Snapdragons.
Galaxy S2 on both ATT and Sprint still kept the Exynos intact. The LTE variants unfortunately lost Exynos due to LTE.
So it IS possible that given enough room inside a device, it can be fitted with Exynos AND a independant LTE chip.. and this is why the LTE phones couldn't be Exynos + LTE, not enough room perhaps.

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Haha
Read the article found out that 7.7 LTE comes with exynos
Called around a bunch of stores after the MRI
on my way home, score
I'm now a proud owner of 7.7 LTE

My new daily driver next to the current daily driver

Diversion said:
I'd like to pick one up - but I don't want to be under contract, so looks like I'll have to shell out $699+tax for one.
Also, it doesn't look like the USA will be getting a Wifi-only variant any time soon. By then Exynos2 will probably be in other tablets.
It's a gamble buying one of these right now due to only getting 14 days to return it to Verizon (plus the $35 restocking fee).
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Why not just import the WiFi-only version from Negri Electronics? Hell of a lot cheaper than shelling out $700+tax for an off-contract VZW version...
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My new daily driver next to the current daily driver
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So, what do you do about phone calls if your VZW 7.7 is your daily driver?
My P6800 is my daily driver. When a phone call comes in, I answer it, on the 7.7 (via Bluetooth of course!).
1 device. Does it all. Love it!

Question for any of the Verizon LTE 7.7 owners: is your LTE performance any good? I get good speed test results, but when I try and web-browse, it takes 20 seconds or more to get from one page to another. It's really frustrating.

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Question for any of the Verizon LTE 7.7 owners: is your LTE performance any good? I get good speed test results, but when I try and web-browse, it takes 20 seconds or more to get from one page to another. It's really frustrating.
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Im actually getting great performance with the tab. Much better than nexus. Don't forget, when you're on Verizon 3g, expect it to be dog slow
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Why doesn't Exynos support 4G?

I don't get how the largest electronics company in the world cannot work out how to make 4G support for their main smart phone chip. Like it's the biggest failure about this phone, the only reason why I wanted it was for the Exynos 5 + the 544 but instead now we get the Snapdragon with the Adreno 320. Basically it has the same internals as every other frigging phone out there and I bet they'll be cheaper too like the HTC One has no up front cost.
It's just made me got "forget the GS4" not only did it look no different to the GS3 but the internals are a let down too because Samsung doesn't have 4G support for Exynos. At this point I'm just going to end my contract, go on a month by month contract as it's only £12 for unlimited data what I'm paying £40 a month for now. Then I'm just going to wait it out for something better, hopefully Nokia do a 41mp Windows Phone or something actually interesting rather than these lack luster phones we've had so far this year.
I was gonna upgrade but no Exynos 5 + 4G = no sale.

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I don't get how the largest electronics company in the world cannot work out how to make 4G support for their main smart phone chip. Like it's the biggest failure about this phone, the only reason why I wanted it was for the Exynos 5 + the 544 but instead now we get the Snapdragon with the Adreno 320. Basically it has the same internals as every other frigging phone out there and I bet they'll be cheaper too like the HTC One has no up front cost.
It's just made me got "forget the GS4" not only did it look no different to the GS3 but the internals are a let down too because Samsung doesn't have 4G support for Exynos. At this point I'm just going to end my contract, go on a month by month contract as it's only £12 for unlimited data what I'm paying £40 a month for now. Then I'm just going to wait it out for something better, hopefully Nokia do a 41mp Windows Phone or something actually interesting rather than these lack luster phones we've had so far this year.
I was gonna upgrade but no Exynos 5 + 4G = no sale.
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Using a seperate radio and SoC consumes more battery, and LTE already consumers more battery. The N2 has a gigantic battery which is why it was released with Exynos. With 40 different LTE bands a different radio has to be used depending on the market which also makes developing and supporting the s/w a pain in the ass.
This is coming out mid-year and should allow multiband LTE-capable devices to be built and sold just like HSPA devices have been in the past. Samung's already said they plan on using it.
http://www.qualcomm.com/media/relea...olution-enables-single-global-lte-design-next

Thing is if that comes out later in the year, at that point I might as well just see what Nokia or Apple do and possible Google will have the Nexus 5 by then. It's just not good enough really and I have my upgrade now from my GS2 like loads of other people who got one in 2011.

What are u talking about the upgrade is HUGE
www.androidauthority.com/samsung-galaxy-s4-vs-samsung-galaxy-s3-169204/
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The Exynos supports LTE so the whole question you're posing is loaded with misinformation.
The question you should be asking why Samsung decided to pair it up with the Qualcomm instead; that has some more meaningful answers and hypothesises:
- The Octa is not ready for mass-production in the quantity so to satisfy the demand for the biggest flagship phone on the market right now.
- Because of the above, they chose to multi-source the SoC.
- Because the LTE models are supposedly globally multi-band it is easier to engineer only two models.
- Why did they even release it as such - that's what most people are angry about; it sucks for the enthusiasts but it makes perfect sense from a business perspective. Release it early so to catch as many users as possible who would be otherwise tempted by the HTC One or the Z.
And who says that we won't get a refresh with Exynos and LTE.
Using a seperate radio and SoC consumes more battery, and LTE already consumers more battery.
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That argument is useless here. The Snapdragon 600 doesn't have an integrated modem so they still need a separate LTE chip. And also proven by demonstration by the many new LTE devices which separate chip (Note 2, i9305, One), the battery argument is again something which seemed to be pulled out of thin air last year.

AndreiLux said:
The Exynos supports LTE so the whole question you're posing is loaded with misinformation.
The question you should be asking why Samsung decided to pair it up with the Qualcomm instead; that has some more meaningful answers and hypothesises:
- The Octa is not ready for mass-production in the quantity so to satisfy the demand for the biggest flagship phone on the market right now.
- Because of the above, they chose to multi-source the SoC.
- Because the LTE models are supposedly globally multi-band it is easier to engineer only two models.
- Why did they even release it as such - that's what most people are angry about; it sucks for the enthusiasts but it makes perfect sense from a business perspective. Release it early so to catch as many users as possible who would be otherwise tempted by the HTC One or the Z.
And who says that we won't get a refresh with Exynos and LTE.
That argument is useless here. The Snapdragon 600 doesn't have an integrated modem so they still need a separate LTE chip. And also proven by demonstration by the many new LTE devices which separate chip (Note 2, i9305, One), the battery argument is again something which seemed to be pulled out of thin air last year.
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It's unlikely we will get a refresh with Exynos + LTE. Even the Korean LTE versions are Snapdragon-based.
We might see them earliest in Note 3.

Livebyte said:
It's unlikely we will get a refresh with Exynos + LTE. Even the Korean LTE versions are Snapdragon-based.
We might see them earliest in Note 3.
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It's up to Samsung.
Japan also got a refresh and was in the same situation; original release was the Qualcomm S3, then they got the S3 Alpha which is basically an i9305 with the Note 2 Exynos revision. T-Mobile are also adopting their M3 (i9305) variant.

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The Octa is not ready for mass-production in the quantity so to satisfy the demand for the biggest flagship phone on the market right now.
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Wild ass guess.
Because of the above, they chose to multi-source the SoC.
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They used Exynos 4 in tablets last year so they had plenty and still multi-sourced.
Because the LTE models are supposedly globally multi-band it is easier to engineer only two models.
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Until the RF360 comes out LTE radios are hardware limited as to the bands they support so there are multiple radio configurations based on where the device is to be sold or used.
Release it early so to catch as many users as possible
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Wild ass guess. How many mainstream users know what an Octa or Snapdragon is and would care if they did?
And who says that we won't get a refresh with Exynos and LTE.
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A wild ass guess I'd agree with based on it driving more profit for Samsung by using their own SoC.
That argument is useless here. The Snapdragon 600 doesn't have an integrated modem so they still need a separate LTE chip. And also proven by demonstration by the many new LTE devices which separate chip (Note 2, i9305, One), the battery argument is against something which seemed to be pulled out of thin air last year.
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Why did Samsung deploy the N2 with Exynos/LTE and not the SGS3?

BarryH_GEG said:
Why did Samsung deploy the N2 with Exynos/LTE and not the SGS3?
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Qualcomm didn't start offering a standalone LTE+GSM combo solution until late 2012 as far as I know. And Samsung did eventually offer an Exynos+LTE SGS3 with the I9305, which was released in fall 2012.
I suspect the Exynos vs. Qualcomm difference has nothing to do with LTE but is for some other reason, as others have said, the Snapdragon variants are not using one of the Qualcomms with integrated baseband, but one of the standalone modem chipsets (like the Xperia Z and Nexus 4 do... And in fact I think every quad-Krait device on the market is using an APQ with an external modem chipset.) Probably production rampup is one of the issues, also, the Exynos5 "Octa" is not by any means a proven platform, so Samsung might be sticking with a more proven base for the majority of their devices.

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Until the RF360 comes out LTE radios are hardware limited as to the bands they support so there are multiple radio configurations based on where the device is to be sold or used.
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I think you're massively mistaking amplifiers and actual modems. The modems are identical on all models since they're compatible with everything. The Note 2 LTE variants are globally the same thing and the only difference are the antennas and amplifiers.
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They used Exynos 4 in tablets last year so they had plenty and still multi-sourced.
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Why did Samsung deploy the N2 with Exynos/LTE and not the SGS3?
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"Last year" encompasses a period of 12 months, so please think a bit before doing such arguments. The S3 was launched on May 29th while the second device to have the Exynos was the Galaxy Note 10.1 in mid-August. That's already a 3-month period between devices and in manufacturing terms, that's an eternity. Furthermore you're comparing a device in double-digit million sales within the first two months to a tablet which basically nobody bought.
Furthermore they did not release it with LTE because at the time there wasn't any discrete modem available and only Qualcomm's MSM offered LTE capability. This is the same reason the Tegra 3 One X never came out in the LTE enabled countries, they were in exactly the same situation. The Note 2 (And i9305) came out with the Exynos + Qualcomm because the MDM9215 was specifically available as a discrete chip by that time.
Also please refrain from calling things wild ass guesses when your own claims are even more uninformed.

Check this:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/Exynos/data/competitive.pdf
BTW, does s600 have integrated LTE? I believe not.
I recall the model name was APQ***
s800 is supposed to have integrated LTE.

hot_spare said:
Check this:
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/minisite/Exynos/data/competitive.pdf
BTW, does s600 have integrated LTE? I believe not.
I recall the model name was APQ***
s800 is supposed to have integrated LTE.
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No, the 600 being included in the GS4 is an APQ - which means no integrated baseband.
While there are quad Kraits with integrated modem on Qualcomm's roadmap, they are quite rare. As in I have yet to see a quad-Krait device that wasn't an APQ.
Could be related to the yield issues mentioned in the PDF above.

AndreiLux said:
The Exynos supports LTE so the whole question you're posing is loaded with misinformation.
The question you should be asking why Samsung decided to pair it up with the Qualcomm instead; that has some more meaningful answers and hypothesises:
- The Octa is not ready for mass-production in the quantity so to satisfy the demand for the biggest flagship phone on the market right now.
- Because of the above, they chose to multi-source the SoC.
- Because the LTE models are supposedly globally multi-band it is easier to engineer only two models.
- Why did they even release it as such - that's what most people are angry about; it sucks for the enthusiasts but it makes perfect sense from a business perspective. Release it early so to catch as many users as possible who would be otherwise tempted by the HTC One or the Z.
And who says that we won't get a refresh with Exynos and LTE.
That argument is useless here. The Snapdragon 600 doesn't have an integrated modem so they still need a separate LTE chip. And also proven by demonstration by the many new LTE devices which separate chip (Note 2, i9305, One), the battery argument is again something which seemed to be pulled out of thin air last year.
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Can you give more information on which LTE bands exynos supports?
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1337RYoN said:
Can you give more information on which LTE bands exynos supports?
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Exynos4 and Exynos5 don't support ANY LTE bands directly. In fact they don't have built in wireless capability of any form. Neither does the Snapdragon 600 that is going to be sold in the GS4, neither does the APQ8064 used in many current Qualcomm quad-Krait devices.
All of the above depend on an external modem chipset, in almost all cases for LTE devices Qualcomm MDM9x15 or MDM9x25. Band support is determined by the RF frontend chipset (Qualcomm WTR1605L in all cases probably) and what bands the manufacturer added RF frontend filters for.
There is nothing that prevents a MDM9x15 or 9x25 from being hung off of an Exynos4 or Exynos5 (in fact, that's what was done for LTE Note2 variants).
The misconception that "this or that CPU doesn't support LTE" comes from the early days of LTE when the only multiband multimode modem was Qualcomm's, and initially Qualcomm only provided it in the form of fully integrated MSM CPU+baseband solutions. But since Qualcomm started selling the standalone MDM9615 last fall or so, there's nothing preventing any CPU with HSIC support (which basically any modern CPU has) from having LTE connectivity.
Exynos "Octa" not having LTE almost surely has nothing to do with technical incompatibilities but everything to do with Samsung not wanting to put all of their eggs in one basket with an unproven highly complex processor.

so what will be the better choice ? Snapdragon or Exynos, if both support 4G?

Now if the extnos octa does support lte, which I believe it does just not American frequencies. If it has a Qualcomm radio and its model supports multi band or world radio chip that support everything (forgot model number). Can a different modem enable those lte bands or is it all hardware related??

S4 Exynos 5 import -- 4g works?
Entropy512 said:
Exynos "Octa" not having LTE almost surely has nothing to do with technical incompatibilities but everything to do with Samsung not wanting to put all of their eggs in one basket with an unproven highly complex processor.
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Absolute novice here, so if it's not down to technical reasons would an imported GS4 with the Exynos 5 still actually work with 4G networks, or will it just not work end-of? Would there be any way to mod the phone's firmware to get the 4G supported, or is the failure due to the hardware itself?

MattKneale said:
Absolute novice here, so if it's not down to technical reasons would an imported GS4 with the Exynos 5 still actually work with 4G networks, or will it just not work end-of? Would there be any way to mod the phone's firmware to get the 4G supported, or is the failure due to the hardware itself?
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Same question here. Furthermore, I am curious as to why no one else makes LTE modem besides Qualcomm.

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Absolute novice here, so if it's not down to technical reasons would an imported GS4 with the Exynos 5 still actually work with 4G networks, or will it just not work end-of? Would there be any way to mod the phone's firmware to get the 4G supported, or is the failure due to the hardware itself?
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Each device is customized for the bands it will run on. See the Note2 as an example - There are multiple t0lte variants, the N7105, I317 (AT&T), T-Mobile version, Sprint version, Verizon version - Each had RF frontend hardware customized for their target carrier/region. The CPU was the same (Exynos), the modem was the same (MDM9615), the primary RF chipset was the same (WTR1605L I *think*), but the RF frontend filter and switching circuitry was different for each variant, meaning you couldn't just flash an I317 baseband to N7105 and get AT&T LTE support for example.
As to why no one else is making an LTE modem besides Qualcomm - Qualcomm have more experience with these things than any other company. Many of the core principles of communications theory were created by Qualcomm's founders. Principles of Communication Engineering is still considered the Bible of communications theory, written by Wozencraft and Jacobs (Jacobs being one of the founders of Qualcomm, along with Andrew Viterbi, famous for the Viterbi Algorithm.) Same reason Qualcomm was the first company to achieve reasonably power-efficient UMTS baseband chipsets.
Edit: Here's a good read regarding Qualcomm's modems: http://www.anandtech.com/show/6541/the-state-of-qualcomms-modems-wtr1605-and-mdm9x25

maybe somebody interestening in
octa core with lte all 20 bands???
go to sammobile and look the new news.
Octacore supports LTE all 20 bands

How to get hold of the S4 Octa?

This week I'm upgrading and will go for the S4. I live in the UK and will go onto Vodafone, however I will be open to switch carriers. I understand there are 3 variants of the S4 the Korean, International and UK/US. And the latter being the Gt-i9505, with the Snapdragon 600 and Adreno 320, while the International is the Gt-i9500, which has the Octa chip and PowerVR SGX 544MP3, yeah I know people will tell me there is virtually no difference, however I'm interested in buying the i9500 as I'd like to see what such a chipset can do, and more so to the point, I dont want to spend so much money and not even be the best (me being me). So my question is, where can I buy on contract an S4 i9500, the 3g version? As after searching all the carriers websites I cannot find one anywhere, and the area I live anyway will never see 4g, so whats the point? If its impossible to get one through a carrier, is there anyway to find one without a £550 upfront cost? As buying the 505 would be pointless, as I wont buy the 4g deal, so I'll have a 4g capable phone which I cant use, in an area it wont appear, with a worse processor and GPU. If it is totally impossible I'll accept that however I like choices and as a buyer spending this much I would like a choice..
Thanks in advance for any answers!

I'm intersted in this too . .specially now that the AT&T S4 has the bootloader locked.
Does international (Octa) have LTE?

keplenk said:
I'm intersted in this too . .specially now that the AT&T S4 has the bootloader locked.
Does international (Octa) have LTE?
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No the international (Octa) (aka i9500) does not support LTE
You can find the international octa @ Expansys & Negri

If u in L.a u can buy from this guy http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/mob/3768900703.html
jeffs99 said:
No the international (Octa) (aka i9500) does not support LTE
You can find the international octa @ Expansys & Negri
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jeffs99 said:
No the international (Octa) (aka i9500) does not support LTE
You can find the international octa @ Expansys & Negri
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I dont even need LTE, so theres no point in getting the S4 with LTE which is worse .. will it be released in time? Or will i need to pay full price?

JesseBeckett said:
I dont even need LTE, so theres no point in getting the S4 with LTE which is worse .. will it be released in time? Or will i need to pay full price?
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No one can say for sure, but you'll likely need to get the 9500 from an online retailer or another carrier. Samsung has yet to put the LTE radio in its Exynos SoC (system on a chip - what powers the 9500) so that's not going to happen mid-release for the Galaxy S4. And its highly unlikely they are going to release an LTE-enabled one and non-LTE one onto the same carrier in the same market. That just creates buyer confusion.

Only thing is for you "best of the best" types, the octa will run on the arm 7 chip most of the time. So in reality the snapdragon version is better, unless of course you just get off on running benchmarks all day. The arm 15 is the best but what's the point if it never gets used? Just my opinion, I have no right to tell anyone what they need. I WANT LTE, but all I really need is a big screen, email and a decent talker.
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hansonator said:
Only thing is for you "best of the best" types, the octa will run on the arm 7 chip most of the time. So in reality the snapdragon version is better, unless of course you just get off on running benchmarks all day. The arm 15 is the best but what's the point if it never gets used? Just my opinion, I have no right to tell anyone what they need. I WANT LTE, but all I really need is a big screen, email and a decent talker.
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I see what you mean, and I've been checking performance numbers of both the sxg 544mp3 and Adreno 320, and it's pretty similar.. so I feel pretty happy to get the 9505. It seemed great in the shop, far smoother than my S3, thanks for everyones help:good: