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HTC One Tear down

Looks like it is totally unrepairable, even by HTC
http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/HTC+One+Teardown/13494/1

this simply will build even more admiration for the device
i want it even more now :laugh:
Also i think they have missed the point of simply removing the speaker cover to start the process
Simply put, it's crazy...
despite the score, the article is full of praise for the craftsmanship!
HTC has said over and over that they wanted to create a seamless product, and the absence of any exterior screws is a testament to that.
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Our diligent spudgering appears to have permanently mangled the plastic bezel surrounding the aluminum case. It's possible that prying at a snail's pace while applying heat could minimize this damage, but we're not too hopeful. This phone was not made with open-ability in mind.
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The motherboard of the HTC One is pretty much encapsulated within copper shielding. Two flat pieces of copper adorn each side of the motherboard.
Here's the thing about copper shielding. It dissipates heat and provides electrical grounding. However, copper shielding is a pain to deal with during reassembly—kind of like trying to straighten out aluminum foil once it's been crinkled.
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The HTC One's 1080P, 468 ppi resolution rivals today's HDTVs and the 10.6" Surface Pro, but in a 4.7" size.
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There is no respite for the weary—even the rear camera is coated in copper shielding.
This is the HTC UltraPixel camera, a f/2.0 aperture, 28 mm lens unit with a dedicated HTC ImageChip™ 2.
It is not surprising to hear HTC bragging about camera specs, as their apparent Siri counter-marketing is Zoe, your personal photo assistant.
Manufacturing such a small camera that can do so much is a hefty task, and a shortage of these units is a big reason why HTC has had to delay the official launch.
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The daughterboard remains, but there is still a mystery left unsolved.
No phone operates without antennas, and antennas don't transmit signals well through metal walls. Considering that this daughterboard is on the receiving end of the motherboard's antenna cables and sits directly under the plastic bezel at the top of the phone, we're thinking it has something to do with wireless signals.
See those three spring contacts along the top of the board? They meet the rear case in an area obscured by the plastic bezel. If we had to guess, that's where HTC put the antennas.
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HTC One Repairability Score: One out of 10 (10 is easiest to repair)
Very, very difficult (possibly impossible?) to open the device without damaging the rear case. This makes every component extremely difficult to replace.
The battery is buried beneath the motherboard and adhered to the midframe, hindering its replacement.
The display assembly cannot be replaced without removing the rear case—this will make the most common repair, a damaged screen, nearly impossible.
Copper shielding on many components is difficult to remove and replace.
Solid external construction improves durability.
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Engadget: http://www.engadget.com/2013/03/28/ifixit-breaks-open-an-htc-one/
Slashgear: http://www.slashgear.com/htc-one-teardown-proves-durability-a-top-priority-28275687/
yup still positive
If you were looking for the HTC One to be a device you were easily able to take apart for inner-bits replacement, you might not be all that pleased with the report appearing today. On the other hand, if you love it when iFixit gives a big shout out to the device you’re looking to buy for its immense durability, the HTC One might be the phone for you. It’s not going to be a device you’ll be popping open on accident, that’s for sure.
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With the release of the HTC One, the manufacturer has bet a whole lot on the hardware as a proving point in their history. With this release, the company known as HTC says that they’ve done the best they’re able at the moment – this is the HTC One, and it’s named that for a reason. According to iFixit, this device is just about the most difficult smartphone to tear apart they’ve come across – but that’s not all bad news for you if you’re a general consumer.
The HTC One does not have a removable battery, nor is it able to take a microSD card. It’s got a body that’s made from one solid block of machined aluminum with a lovely pane of reinforced glass up front. A collection of awesomely odd bits and pieces can be found in the teardown, including this fun selection:
• Elpida BA164B1PF 2 GB DDR2 RAM
• Samsung KLMBG4GE2A 32 GB NAND flash memory
• Synaptics S32028 chip
• Cable for display labeled with DATE: 2012.11.30
That last bit proves that there’ve been bits and pieces of this device ready to rock for several months now – the back casing of the device can be seen to carry the date 2013/02/15, indicating that some of the parts have been added as recently as the middle of February (for this unit, anyway.)
Have a peek at the timeline we’ve got below of fabulous HTC One bits and pieces, and don’t forget to check out our full HTC One review as well. This is a device that’s set to either be a skyrocket-ready spaceship to the moon for HTC, or one of the biggest disappointments for the company in their history – if it doesn’t sell, that is. Have a peek at our full run-down now!
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Considering its sleek, primarily aluminum construction we never thought the HTC One was going be easy to crack open.
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hamdir said:
If you really intend negativity from your post
i dont think you have succeeded, this simply will build even more admiration for the device
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Not at all, simply a statement of fact. If you send 'one' to HTC for a warranty repair it looks likely that you will get a new unit back.

packetlos said:
Not at all, simply a statement of fact. If you send 'one' to HTC for a warranty repair it looks likely that you will get a new unit back.
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yes jsut crazy but again
i feel they were too intimidated and simply failed to figure out how to open it
ie: speaker covers

hamdir said:
If you really intend negativity from your post
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The negativity is implied based on a one out of 10 repairability score. How much do you think it's going to cost to repair/replace a display out of warranty? Or replace a unibody damaged in a fall? Ifixit could give a crap about one manufacturer over another so they have no bias in their reporting. What they are reporting is that the One will be a very expensive phone to repair based on its design. No matter how much the following is true.
the article is full of praise for the craftsmanship!
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Meanwhile, what do you think the sides are made of based on this? It looks like some type of trim applied to the unibodyfor it to bend that way.

we already know the device can be opened from its speaker, so i dont know what were they smoking
and i didnt say iFixit is implying negativity, i was asking the poster if this is his intention, relax lol
have a look at the drop down test it will answer few questions
if iFixit is true and its not a fixable device, than HTC intend not to fix them at all and simply replace it
but like i said i think it has a way to open form the covers

hamdir said:
So really i dont know what to say? are you in full intentions to simply spoil the fun of HTC owners?
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Huh? Kind of shooting the messenger, no? Since the One's unibody was first shown off I've been curious about how it's held together because it's a very unsual design no matter who built it. Drop tests and tear downs give a lot of insight in to questions I'm sure I'm not alone in having. Sorry if the answer's aren't "fun" and I have nothing to do with the outcome of any tests the One or any other device are subjected to. I'd be just as shocked if another brand's device had a repairibility score of "1." And as I said in another thread, devices get the forum's they deserve. If once in people's hands the One is a "happy" device that's what the forum will reflect. After a year of sticking your fingers in the holes in the dyke that was the One X forum you should know that by now.
And "aluminum" as a material isn't what determines repairibility it's engineering and design focused on facilitating it to keep repair costs down. Here's how the "other" aluminum phone did.

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If once in people's hands the One is a "happy" device that's what the forum will reflect. After a year of sticking your fingers in the holes in the dyke that was the One X forum you should know that by now.]
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One X owners are happy, go ask in their thread
the one x been flying and great device every since the software issues were fixed with the 2.17 update and defects cleared TWO MONTHS after release
you are in fact extremely patronizing and insulting
comparing to the iPhone is useless if the device like claimed by iFixit was not intended to be repaired!

hamdir, do u have any idea how to remove the speaker covers? ifixit looked like they butchered the phone with an axe, there must be another way to have a simpler break down
BTW ifixit said it was all "A"s after the back was removed, meaning removing the backplate was the hardest part

jngtt said:
hamdir, do u have any idea how to remove the speaker covers? ifixit looked like they butchered the phone with an axe, there must be another way to have a simpler break down
BTW ifixit said it was all "A"s after the back was removed, meaning removing the backplate was the hardest part
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yes the speaker covers are currently falling out on their own in defected units and in drop test its flying easily, so really they didnt need to butcher it like this
they acted under the impression that the entire device is uni body and hence started with the screen, if you notice all the way through the tear down they never removed the speakers
its all hilarious really

Yea i noticed them saying the zero gap phone had a gap when they removed the screen. As far as I am aware the zero gap is to do with the back of the phone and the plastic surround after watching htc's video on how it's built.
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BarryH_GEG said:
The negativity is implied based on a one out of 10 repairability score. How much do you think it's going to cost to repair/replace a display out of warranty? Or replace a unibody damaged in a fall? Ifixit could give a crap about one manufacturer over another so they have no bias in their reporting. What they are reporting is that the One will be a very expensive phone to repair based on its design. No matter how much the following is true.
Meanwhile, what do you think the sides are made of based on this? It looks like some type of trim applied to the unibodyfor it to bend that way.
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The plastic sides look similar to pvc cladding without the "gel"? Coat, ie look at the endgrain of the cladding strip.

Chipworks didn't seem to have near as much trouble with their teardown.
http://www.chipworks.com/blog/recentteardowns/2013/03/28/inside-the-htc-one/

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Hamdir: Do you have the proper disassembly guide then? As it is, this will be impossible to take apart to replace the battery or screen.

jngtt said:
BTW ifixit said it was all "A"s after the back was removed, meaning removing the backplate was the hardest part
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If you look at the pictures for that quote, you will see that they are talking about the QC from the factory who had written all over the interior of the case. Your meaning, while probably true, isn't what they meant.

BarryH_GEG said:
The negativity is implied based on a one out of 10 repairability score. How much do you think it's going to cost to repair/replace a display out of warranty? Or replace a unibody damaged in a fall? Ifixit could give a crap about one manufacturer over another so they have no bias in their reporting. What they are reporting is that the One will be a very expensive phone to repair based on its design. No matter how much the following is true.
Meanwhile, what do you think the sides are made of based on this? It looks like some type of trim applied to the unibodyfor it to bend that way.
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I like how HTC has tried to make the One more sturdy for customers. However, I doubted how the production can make a large amount of aluminum body, and now I'm sure it's even harder with this kind of assembling. Not very good idea for production

Gotta think about this one
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I like how HTC has tried to make the One more sturdy for customers. However, I doubted how the production can make a large amount of aluminum body, and now I'm sure it's even harder with this kind of assembling. Not very good idea for production
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Chipworks didn't say anything about the level of difficulty with dissembling. Nothing I saw anyways. This puts a little doubt in my mind looking down the road a couple of years. In 2-3 years it will be time to replace the battery...then what? WE HAVE SOME GREAT LOCAL REPAIR GUYS, BUT WILL IT BE POSSIBLE TO REPLACE THE BATTERY WITHOUT WRECKING THE PHONE? Good question huh? How much would a 2-3 year old HTC ONE be worth, if anyone were to consider buying a used ONE?
My current phone, an ATRIX 4G, now 3 years old, had a couple of problems last year. The volume rocker mechanism broke and had to be replaced. I'm also not on the original battery. I have 3 spare batteries just in case. Carrying around a small 10,000mah charger from Ebay
(for $24.95) is an option. But really if something goes wrong with the phone (out of warranty) you may just have to buy a new phone. This means that you cannot count on any trade in value on the phone. If you can live with that, OK. But you still need insurance in case there is a problem along the way.
Just food for thought guys.

This is great! This confirmed my speculation that HTC is just using a single modem for Asia, EU and all other variants of the HTC One! Thanks to the MDM9215M chipset it has!
What it means is
LTE:
EU: 800/1800/2600 MHz
US (AT&T): 700/850/AWS/1900 MHz
US (TMO): 700/AWS MHz
US (Sprint): 1900 MHz
Asia: 1800/2600 Mhz
is only 1 single phone.
So yeah we could cross flash basebands to unlock certain bands. US carriers could purchase the HTC One from Europe then when S-Off is already available they could just flash a baseband of the US model then they should have LTE instantly. Or better yet it's already a world phone by default. Since they are using the same modem chipset with the likes of Xperia Z & ZL.

Lol, to me that only means "don't try it at home":good:

[q] user opinions on buying this phone

Heloo i would like to buy this phone but i dont know if its really a wise decison to buy this over the LG G2(my curent phone),could you help me if this phone is worth buyng it.
1.What are its weak parts?
2.Does the paint on plastic strip around the phone peele off in time?
3.IS the screen beeter or on par with the one on the G2?
4.Does the phone feel in hand sturdy and relaiable?unike my G2 that squeaks on light presuure on the plastic back and its very anoying
5.IS the sound quality good or better than the G2 through the 3.5 jack?
6.Hows the battery life?
7.Does it heat up much when doing demanding stuf like games and benchmark?
Thank you!
PS:I know there are many reviews on the internae but i think the best review is the user opinion.
Thank you again!

Strif3 said:
Heloo i would like to buy this phone but i dont know if its really a wise decison to buy this over the LG G2(my curent phone),could you help me if this phone is worth buyng it.
1.What are its weak parts?
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It depends on what you're looking for. If you have a G2 I'm guessing you like overlays and the features they provide. The N3 has a ton of s/w features aimed at productivity and creation users centered on the S Pen. If you're one of them there is no phone that compares to the Note-series. Both phones have "gee whiz" features with things like motion control, Awake Stay, and the like. So if you like "stuff" the N3 has lots of it. If you're going to strip both phones of their features and use an AOSP-ish ROM than pick the device that makes you happiest. The N3 has a removable battery and expandable storage so keep that in mind as a possible benefit.
Also keep in mind that two philosophical issues affect the N3. To prevent gray market sales Samsung's introduced Region Lock which requires a device be initialized using a SIM local to its selling region before you can use it globally with different SIMs. There have been some issues where people have done that and run in to problems. The other is all Samsung devices now come with KNOX security s/w preloaded. It's benign when not used but Samsung moved the flash counter to it so when non-standard s/w is run on a KNOX-equipped device a flag is tripped that allows Samsung to know that and potentially withhold warranty support. There are long threads on both of those items if you want to learn more.
The speaker on the N3 is louder than the G2's but a bit thin and lacking in detail. If you're a big external speaker user you might want to test it in person to make sure it meets your needs.
2.Does the paint on plastic strip around the phone peele off in time?
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Both the G2 and N3 are made of plastic so there's always the chance that long-term durability could be affected by handling. It's too early to tell.
3.IS the screen beeter or on par with the one on the G2?
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It's apples vs. oranges. The G2 has a great LCD display and the N3 has a great AMOLED display. Which do you prefer? They both have strengths and weaknesses. Here's a review of the N3's display.
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note3_ShootOut_1.htm
4.Does the phone feel in hand sturdy and relaiable?unike my G2 that squeaks on light presuure on the plastic back and its very anoying
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As sturdy as a plastic phone can be. Mine's certainly sturdy with no squeaks, rattles, or unnecessary flex. The back cover's paper thin plastic to accommodate being peeled off for battery, SIM, and SD card access. Some people hate that design others are fine with it.
5.IS the sound quality good or better than the G2 through the 3.5 jack?
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The N3's better based on GSMArena's objective testing.
Audio quality
All three smartphones delivered almost spotlessly clean audio output so picking a winner here was quite hard. Still, the Samsung Galaxy Note 3 managed to take the victory with its louder output, and slightly lower stereo crosstalk when headphones were plugged in. The LG G2 and the Sony Xperia Z1 are basically identical as far as their audio output is concerned. They perform excellently both with and without headphones but are let down by their uninspiring volume levels.​http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_g2_vs_samsung_galaxy_note_3_vs_sony_xperia_z1-review-1000p7.php
6.Hows the battery life?
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It depends. I have a ton of syncs running and leave all Samsung's motion, air, and audio sensors active. I'm also in a crappy LTE coverage area. I get about 15-20% less battery life than I did on my non-LTE N2. I get about 5 1/2 hours of screen on time and the N3 easily lasts through a heavy use day. It also charges insanely fast so topping up during the day can get you through two days of use easily.
7.Does it heat up much when doing demanding stuf like games and benchmark?
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Mine hasn't but I'm not a big gamer. It'll get warm when I'm background downloading while doing something resource intensive in the foreground but it’s never gotten hot.
i think the best review is the user opinion.
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There's no shortage of opinions here. There are about a dozen people on the forum that post their displeasure with the N3 when the opportunity presents itself. Quite a few are former N2 owners. Weigh your own needs and hot buttons against the positive and negative comments this thread will attract and draw your own conclusions.

Thank you for the reply i forgot to metion how it feels int the pocket its a little biger than my G2?
About the screen i like lcd and amoleds its not such an important thing for me as long as the colors,the viewing angles and brightness are good i dont care if its amoled or lcd.
I saw on some threads here that the N3 has some problems with the home button is that true?
How is the GPS is it good?
Thank you!

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7.Does it heat up much when doing demanding stuf like games and benchmark?
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It does get hot during benchmarks, I did some tests and if you overclock the device the performance is worse due to heat.
Stock Hz undervolted got me the best results. 36k in AnTuTu.

Strif3 said:
Thank you for the reply i forgot to metion how it feels int the pocket its a little biger than my G2?
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It feels fine once it's in my pocket but it's a little more work to get it in and out than my previous phone (Galaxy S1).
Overall I'm happy with the Note 3 there are a few frustrating niggles (e.g. the placement of the speaker means if you're playing a game on a landscape mode you end up covering it and blocking the sound) but the good far outweighs the bad.

Strif3 said:
i forgot to metion how it feels int the pocket its a little biger than my G2?
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The N3 is a big phone so don't underestimate the size difference.

Well i played with the phone in my local store and i like it its nice and i like the s pen to,the width is ok it fits good in my hand though i have smal hands,only the hight is a liitle off but itsok to.

Strif3 said:
Well i played with the phone in my local store and i like it its nice and i like the s pen to,the width is ok it fits good in my hand though i have smal hands,only the hight is a liitle off but itsok to.
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The one handed feature is really cool. It creates a smaller instance of the OS that's closer to either the left or right side. I use it when I'm going through airports or walking while using the phone at the same time.

Stop askin and start buyin haha...

Why I'm returning my G5, after 5 days

In short, the G5 feels poor, for a flagship. I knew about some of these issues beforehand but I didn't think they would bother me as much. I've never returned a phone before.
I'm coming to it from a Samsung S6 Edge and iPhone 6. I can include the Nexus 5 and even the HTC One X in here too. They all felt a lot better, smoother and cleaner.
I wanted the G5 + Hi-Fi Plus to replace the phone + audio player combination I've gotten used to (most recently, Sony Walkman NWZ-ZX2).
I still haven't received my Hi-Fi Plus. But even if it was great (it is essential, for me), it wouldn't make up for everything else.
It feels like there is a lip when you swipe from the side of the screen. It's not smooth glass like an iPhone, S6/S7 Edge, or Nexus 5. It doesn't feel nice.
The chrome trim around the back has hideous gaps. The bottom of the phone doesn't align along perfectly along the sides. I think this is shocking in this day and age. I can imagine Steve Jobs slapping you in the face if you tried to release something like this at Apple.
The fingerprint scanner doesn't always work and seems to be worse than my iPhone and the S6 Edge.
The battery life is mediocre, even without always-on display. With lighter than average use I can go a day. I would expect this to be reduced with the Hi-Fi Plus. I don't want to carry two batteries and I don't want to be swapping batteries until this one becomes suboptimal. But by that time I will probably want a new device.
The supposedly metal body feels like plastic, so what's the point of it? It's not as though plastic phones fall apart or melt in time. Moreover, this prevents wireless charging.
Audio quality through the standard headphone socket is dull. The fact that something can play 24-bit audio doesn't mean it will sound great.
The tapered top of the phone means that I can't use a screen protector. In the long term, this is not a good idea, especially without a case.
The fact that the Hi-Fi Plus makes it a little bigger means that I can't use a case.
I think I'll get the HTC 10 when it's released, because the S7 Edge isn't a worthwhile upgrade over a 128GB S6 Edge.

I had similar build quality concerns. You can actually see some of these things in review photos and videos of you know what you are looking for. A friend of mine has already exchanged his first G5 due to build quality.
BTW, what does the M10 have over the S7E that makes it worth the upgrade and the S7E not? Just curious.

Wow, I've had a totally different experience. My build quality is perfect much to my surprise. The seams along the modular edge are spot on. The fingerprint scanner is spot on. Faster than my S7 and on par with the Nexus 6P.
The screen lies smooth to the side and I like the curved top and bottom as I really don't use screen protectors anymore. The gaps on the chrome are antenna lines, at least they are not all over the phone. As far the finish it's a coating. I like it as it has better grip than my S7 edge or any metal/glass phone and I have no blemishes thankfully.
I can't comment on the headphone audio as I use LG Tones and the sound has been great coming from Bluetooth.
As far as the M10 it will be no where near as good as the S7 or even this. Why? Because HTC has lost its identity and produces a mismosh of tech. Smaller screen, added a home button and remove its defining feature the front facing speakers. Blah. Ill skip it.
I'm sure Steve Jobs has already rolled over in his grave with the crap Apple has been pushing out for the last few years. Innovation stopped with his illness and unfortunate death. They have been far too stagnant. From antenna gate to bending phones to buggy os releases there are plenty of bad quality control issues at Apple, no company is exempt.
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Well to be fair to the HTC 10 it presumably will have a better DAC in it than the stock SD820 DAC that the S7 and G5 has. But at the same time the SD DAC which has been notoriously awful over the years is much improved. Definitely good enough for most people or cheap gym headphones. I would also give a slight nod to Sense over touchwiz and LGs new abomination of an iphone setup.

I am Coming from the HTC m7 and htc models before the m7, after one week i am still fascinated from the design and the quality of the the G5. Battery is ok could be better but ok. i am not more then 24 h away from a power supply and can still use some powerbanks on tours. the Launcher i use for years now is Lightning Launcher so i never have to care bout sense or other original used launchers by the manufacturer of my phone. till now the phone is top for me.
let me see if the sound module can beat the boomsound of HTC and if it will get rooted for some framework and so on.

For me, the back seam is not straight in terms of height. The seams along the side don't align either.
I think in part I'm used to devices impressing me in the hand. The One X felt amazing. The Nexus 5 felt very clean. The S6 Edge looked fantastic (although the Edge was pointless).
These things wouldn't bother me so much if I kept the phone in a case, but this won't happen.
Even without sound quality considerations, I much prefer the S7/Edge/HTC 10. I can get a separate DAP (I'm considering Onkyo DP-X1 but waiting for it be released in Europe, for warranty reasons).

The one clear advantage of the HTC 10, for me, is that you can use the microSD for app storage. I found that I'd used up all the space on the G5 after saving a lot of Spotify music for offline access. It felt like a step backwards from a 128GB S6 Edge in this regard.

Mines perfect. I adore this device. Sorry to hear your device sucked.
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Bye, and dont let the door hit you in the arse on your way out.

If you're that much of an audiophile.... I don't even know why you'd consider a phone to play audio. Just my 0.02.
Fingerprint scanner is spot on for me.. Even when I'm dirty at work, it still picks it up. My S6 Edge+ would pick it up 10% of the time when my hands were clean.
Sure, I went through 8 G5's before I settled. Is this one flawless? No. It's slightly off flush. Do I care? Not really... It's in a case.
Do I expect perfect QC for a $700 phone? Sure. But it's not going to happen until manufacturing returns to this country. Will that happen? Nope.
Overall, I'm loving this phone. Displays nice, clear, and smooth. UI is great... Probably moving back to nova, but the styling and icons are beautiful. The grip without a case is great for a metal phone. Due to the coating, for sure.
It just feels and looks nicer than the S6 and S7 IMO. Had the M10 not had a physical home button, I would've considered it. Nothing says classy like a buttonless face.
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Rauch said:
If you're that much of an audiophile.... I don't even know why you'd consider a phone to play audio. Just my 0.02.
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Because its not asking too much to want above average quality without having to carry multiple devices. Im not expecting it to rvial my fiio x3 but it should at least be passable for the gym etc.
Rauch said:
ISure, I went through 8 G5's before I settled. Is this one flawless? No. It's slightly off flush. Do I care? Not really... It's in a case.
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You went through 8 then immediately claim you dont care? Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself that you dont care not us.
Rauch said:
IDo I expect perfect QC for a $700 phone? Sure. But it's not going to happen until manufacturing returns to this country. Will that happen? Nope.
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I know right, it really sucked when they stopped making smartphones here right? Whats that? They have never been made here? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Really though, how can you even try that excuse? The G5 is made the same way the s7/iphone is made. Cheap asian labor but you dont see these issues plaguing them do you? This notion that made in china = garbage is so ignorant and shortsighted. It dont matter where its made the manufacturer can set the quality standards its like this in every country no matter what they are making.

Exactly. I don't want to carry two devices all the time. Especially in the summer.
The Hi-Fi Plus could make the G5 compete with DAPs that cost roughly the same.
The ZX2 was good but it was stuck on Android 4.2. The DP-X1 is still not forthcoming for me. So I need something. I sold the S6 Edge and my iPhone doesn't have enough memory for much music.
Yes, some of these issues are due to quality control. Others are just very bad design choices.
I'm still having problems with the fingerprint scanner. I tried rescanning carefully but it hasn't improved.
I'm also a little sceptical about the fast charging estimates. I think they're underestimated.

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The one clear advantage of the HTC 10, for me, is that you can use the microSD for app storage. I found that I'd used up all the space on the G5 after saving a lot of Spotify music for offline access. It felt like a step backwards from a 128GB S6 Edge in this regard.
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I hope you know that one can change storage too sd card thou: In spotify go to settings > scroll down to storage > choose sd card
And problem solved!

notinterested said:
Because its not asking too much to want above average quality without having to carry multiple devices. Im not expecting it to rvial my fiio x3 but it should at least be passable for the gym etc.
You went through 8 then immediately claim you dont care? Sounds like you are trying to convince yourself that you dont care not us.
I know right, it really sucked when they stopped making smartphones here right? Whats that? They have never been made here? Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?
Really though, how can you even try that excuse? The G5 is made the same way the s7/iphone is made. Cheap asian labor but you dont see these issues plaguing them do you? This notion that made in china = garbage is so ignorant and shortsighted. It dont matter where its made the manufacturer can set the quality standards its like this in every country no matter what they are making.
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If quality of music is your biggest concern at the gym, you've got some other issues at hand. You should become more focused on your workout and sweating away that fat instead of worrying how good your music sounds.
Yeah, I went through 8 because the moment you pull them out of the box the flaws were that noticeable. Beyond that, no big deal.
Ignorant and short sighted? No. Compare tools made in China vs. Made in america, germany, or Spain. Big difference. Or more importantly - copper and steel pipe and fittings. Tell me there's no quality difference between something made with cheap labor vs. Something made here. The fact I can crack a 2" black iron fitting with an 18" pipe wrench is enough to see there is a difference. Than you factor in dimensions and threading differences.... Get out in the real world and realize there is a huge quality difference between cheap labor and expensive labor.
Oh, I'm sorry.... Did you forget about about the admitted iphone 5S manufacturing defects? Could be sworn there was something wrong with the 6's as well!
Open your eyes kiddo.
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Rauch said:
If quality of music is your biggest concern at the gym, you've got some other issues at hand. You should become more focused on your workout and sweating away that fat instead of worrying how good your music sounds.
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What? That makes no sense AT ALL... Music is a motivator, when your music sounds like ass its a distraction. You must not go to the gym.
Rauch said:
Ignorant and short sighted? No. Compare tools made in China vs. Made in america, germany, or Spain. Big difference. Or more importantly - copper and steel pipe and fittings. Tell me there's no quality difference between something made with cheap labor vs. Something made here. The fact I can crack a 2" black iron fitting with an 18" pipe wrench is enough to see there is a difference. Than you factor in dimensions and threading differences.... Get out in the real world and realize there is a huge quality difference between cheap labor and expensive labor.
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Thats a cute analogy ill give you another one.
Compare the iphone and the galaxy s7 to the G5. All are made in the same place 2 are considered to be very well made one has problems like crazy.
get out in the real world and realize all phones are made in cheap asian countries and only one has these glaring issues and you will see a flawed design for what it is. Your argument holds no water whatsoever.
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Oh, I'm sorry.... Did you forget about about the admitted iphone 5S manufacturing defects? Could be sworn there was something wrong with the 6's as well!
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You must be joking right? Those where design flaws antennagate was bad design not bad production. The iphone 6 bending was bad design not bad production.
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Open your eyes kiddo.
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Open my eyes? Your argument is that the G5 is messed up because its "made in china" every other smartphone on the planet is too and they are just fine... Stop being so stubbornly ignorant.

BudaBang said:
I hope you know that one can change storage too sd card thou: In spotify go to settings > scroll down to storage > choose sd card
And problem solved!
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Lol. I was going to say that.
But yes g5 has micro sd slot.
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notinterested said:
What? That makes no sense AT ALL... Music is a motivator, when your music sounds like ass its a distraction. You must not go to the gym.
Thats a cute analogy ill give you another one.
Compare the iphone and the galaxy s7 to the G5. All are made in the same place 2 are considered to be very well made one has problems like crazy.
get out in the real world and realize all phones are made in cheap asian countries and only one has these glaring issues and you will see a flawed design for what it is. Your argument holds no water whatsoever.
You must be joking right? Those where design flaws antennagate was bad design not bad production. The iphone 6 bending was bad design not bad production.
Open my eyes? Your argument is that the G5 is messed up because its "made in china" every other smartphone on the planet is too and they are just fine... Stop being so stubbornly ignorant.
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Bro, you make some solid points

Baxter you know I don't speak Spanish.

Aeneas said:
The one clear advantage of the HTC 10, for me, is that you can use the microSD for app storage. I found that I'd used up all the space on the G5 after saving a lot of Spotify music for offline access. It felt like a step backwards from a 128GB S6 Edge in this regard.
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Spotify - How to store cache on external SD
People should learn how to use google.
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Wow, lots of people managed to do something you couldn't.

Sound isn't that bad, I listened to a few tracks quickly on spotify on my sennheisers and it was on par with other phones I've tested.
Could be tweaked a bit with viper when we get root but I'm satisfied.
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The pixel is not actually over priced!

at first I was very upset for the price of the pixel and although I got a great deal on this phone (580$).
I honestly think that this phone is worth 750$ for the right consumer.
this is why I think is not over priced. I owned a bunch of smartphones including all the latest flagships, s7edge.note7,one plus3, lg v20, nexus, 6p, iPhone 7, and many more. and one thing I noticed that everyone says the pixel doesn't offer much for its price. example it doesn't have a dual edge, or a 2nd screen at the top, is not water resistant, doesn't have ir blaster, or dual front facing speakers. people feel like they are paying for just a plain basic phone! which is correct! on mys s7edge I ended up hating the stupid edge screen accidental touches were becoming a norm. the edge panel is turned off by majority of users so other than esthetics imo is useless, lg v20 2nd display yes is convenient and pretty cool but the only major used I have is to use the torch, most of the times I still landlocked the phone to do task that I could of done from the 2bd display. plus is very inconvenient is placed all the way at the top and the lg v20 is not a small phone.
to summarize this the pixel is a plain android phone without any useless gimmicks that other manufactures are using. could they have added a few more features. yes perhaps water resistant and dual front facing speakers would have been nice. but just the fluid pure android experience on this phone defiantly makes it worth its premium price.
again this is personal my opinion and I would enjoy to see what you guys think after owning the pixel!

Every phone is missing something. From Samsung missing proper long term updates, iPhone missing some hardware features, to Pixel missing hardware features. It's up to the consumer to decide which checkboxes are more important. I think all the hate on the phone comes from people expecting the Pixel to check off every box a consumer would want at the same price point the competition is at, even though they are all missing something as well. Business doesn't work that way.

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Every phone is missing something. From Samsung missing proper long term updates, iPhone missing some hardware features, to Pixel missing hardware features. It's up to the consumer to decide which checkboxes are more important. I think all the hate on the phone comes from people expecting the Pixel to check off every box a consumer would want at the same price point the competition is at, even though they are all missing something as well. Business doesn't work that way.
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What hardware features is the pixel missing? front facing speakers?

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What hardware features is the pixel missing? front facing speakers?
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That's they only thing I would have really liked never really cared for bottom frieing speakers, waterproofing would have been cool ... And maybe a physical home button but I know that's not really a feature many care about .... None of which takes away from it being a nice phone ..... I think all phones are a bit over priced lol, price is subject anyway the only person who needs to worry about it is the one who's buying it and if it's too much they have the choice to get something cheaper

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That's they only thing I would have really liked never really cared for bottom frieing speakers, waterproofing would have been cool ... And maybe a physical home button but I know that's not really a feature many care about .... None of which takes away from it being a nice phone ..... I think all phones are a bit over priced lol, price is subject anyway the only person who needs to worry about it is the one who's buying it and if it's too much they have the choice to get something cheaper
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I personallt prefer on screen buttons rather than hardware. people say you get more screen real state but I I actually enjoy the on screen better. although my biggest let down was the two speakers which I feel like they should have put there. other than that the phone is just what I wanted. stock, and lighting fast!

I mostly agree, this phone performs like no other. It should be 64gb base storage however.

robber said:
I mostly agree, this phone performs like no other. It should be 64gb base storage however.
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oh yes that's a big one!! DEFINETLY base should of been 64GB..
but Google is smart most people went 128GBB which is exactly what they hoped for.. I believe that's why they limited the base model to 32GB and try to make up with unlimited storage.

You forgot no sd card slot which pretty much the only other flagship phone that also does not have one is iphone. Also you forgot about no OIS which is one thing a lot of people were upset about.
My biggest things for me is no sd card slot, and a one single mono speaker, not just that its not dual front speakers, that it is just only one speaker. They could have made the audio a lot better if they copied the Htc 10 boomsound dual speakers which are not front facing but they sound a lot better than the pixel xl's single speaker.
I never would have paid full price for my 32 gig pixel xl, well actually I did but I got a $200 best buy gift card in the deal, and a free chromecast yes lol woo hoo a free old model chromecast when the new 4k version is out already lol.

I wanted a pixel, it's the best android smartphone period. I am using iPhone 7 Plus for about 3 weeks now, and I love it, It's worth the money, it offers tech, that no other competitors does yet, and even if they did, without google implementation it will suck. They should have started this year with a little bit lower price, considering the large unnecessary chin and all the other features they ignored. Next year with iPhone 8 google must really bring their A game.
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For me the premium price pays for all the tiny attention to detail points on the phone. I love all the little optimisations that culminate into the bigger picture. Custom CPU tuning with Qualcomm, camera ISP tweaks, touchscreen latency, fantastic build quality, in house developments like the insane video stabilisation and HDR+ all add up. Stereo speakers would've been great, it's the only thing I miss from the 6P but the down firing speaker works loud and clear and a worthwhile trade off for such a sleek performer.

Dude, it's very much overpriced.
It's missing sooo many hardware features that other phones have.
IR blaster for acting as a TV remote.
MicroSD for additional storage.
Water resistance of a decent nature.
So many more things but I don't want to think about it because I'll just get upset at my phone again.

lucky_strike33 said:
What hardware features is the pixel missing? front facing speakers?
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Here is pretty much what it seems most people griping about the phone want.
A phone design of the ages.... absolutely flawless
Indestructible "premium" body that is light as a feather
Scratchproof shatterproof screen
Radios that reach the cosmos
The next version of the OS that isn't released yet before coders even know what they're coding
An OS that predicts your every move
Absolutely zero manufacturing tolerances
Next year's internals
Stereo speakers
THX wired and wireless audio from a phone
SD card
Removable battery
Fast Charging
Fast Wireless Charging
A phone so water and dustproof that even air can't permeate the body
Endless storage
A camera that rivals Hubble
......all for 4 easy payments of $19.95

AndrasLOHF said:
Here is pretty much what it seems most people griping about the phone want.
A phone design of the ages.... absolutely flawless
Indestructible "premium" body that is light as a feather
Scratchproof shatterproof screen
Radios that reach the cosmos
The next version of the OS that isn't released yet before coders even know what they're coding
An OS that predicts your every move
Absolutely zero manufacturing tolerances
Next year's internals
Stereo speakers
THX wired and wireless audio from a phone
SD card
Removable battery
Fast Charging
Fast Wireless Charging
A phone so water and dustproof that even air can't permeate the body
Endless storage
A camera that rivals Hubble
......all for 4 easy payments of $19.95
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LOL BEST REPLY SO FAR. consumers will never be sastified..

CZ Eddie said:
Dude, it's very much overpriced.
It's missing sooo many hardware features that other phones have.
IR blaster for acting as a TV remote.
MicroSD for additional storage.
Water resistance of a decent nature.
So many more things but I don't want to think about it because I'll just get upset at my phone again.
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bro if this are so important to you, you should honestly go get a LG v20.. why buy a phone that is aim for pure android experience. and although the pixel is not rated water resistant it holds up very well. as it was submerge in water for one hour and it was fully functional at the end. and I never used the ir blaster I rather buy a universal remote.. when a phone tries to do too much it always fails at something and mostly is a lot bigger than what you gain.

I wanted a ****ty ass LG phone I would have bought one.

I don't think anybody is missing ois, especially anybody who has used the phone...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ObhMgCT-Rzw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YojQneS6Yts

I don't mind the price of $649/$749.
However, I do mind the big price hike in Canada... $899 for the 5" and $1049 for the 5.5"?
Come on

The 749 USD translates to 1003 cad right now so it's not that big of a price hike lol, the conversion just sucks right now lol
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CZ Eddie said:
Dude, it's very much overpriced.
It's missing sooo many hardware features that other phones have.
IR blaster for acting as a TV remote.
MicroSD for additional storage.
Water resistance of a decent nature.
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4x4 MIMO would have been nice for the money they're asking for.

Will there ever be another device like the V20?

High end device with user replaceable battery, IPS LCD to retain natural color reproduction, separate 2nd screen for shortcuts-music control-notifications, microSD, ideal fingerprint location-functionality, quad DAC-headphone jack considering current trends+the V30 abandoned several of those?
Yes it could have fit dual front facing stereo speakers, better front facing camera & low light cameras but is the V20 the last of it's kind with all these aforementioned features because I'm considering buying more now that they can be had at bargain prices?

The only correct answer is "Nobody knows what the future will bring."
I can take a guess. Since water proofing seems popular now I suspect any openings in the case will be eliminated if possible to please those who think they should teach their phone to swim. That means no replaceable battery and no headphone jack for sure and maybe no more SD cards.
Personally, if I drop my phone in the toilet it's history but for those who like "crappy" phones they must be water proof!

I think I'm the only person who actually likes the sound of the V30 (I currently have a V20). I really don't need a hot-swappable battery as I've always found fast charging to be enough, and I really like the idea of added waterproofing and dust protection. The second screen is great but the always-on feature that AMOLED displays offer covers that for me. So in my opinion, yeah! LG seem committed to keeping the advanced features for the V series at the moment. But for those of you who really like the idea of a user-replaceable battery, I'd say those days are numbered.

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High end device with user replaceable battery, IPS LCD to retain natural color reproduction, separate 2nd screen for shortcuts-music control-notifications, microSD, ideal fingerprint location-functionality, quad DAC-headphone jack considering current trends+the V30 abandoned several of those?
Yes it could have fit dual front facing stereo speakers, better front facing camera & low light cameras but is the V20 the last of it's kind with all these aforementioned features because I'm considering buying more now that they can be had at bargain prices?
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I would suggest focusing on new models that have an easily replaced battery (IE some Motorolas, One plus etc) and other features that you like (ext SD etc). For me the ability to somewhat easily replace the battery is a HUGE factor in my decision buying a phone... Because I like keeping my heavily used phones more than a year or so. I always check ifixit before buying or recommending a phone... To see how easy it is to replace the battery
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jasonv31 said:
I would suggest focusing on new models that have an easily replaced battery (IE some Motorolas, One plus etc) and other features that you like (ext SD etc). For me the ability to somewhat easily replace the battery is a HUGE factor in my decision buying a phone... Because I like keeping my heavily used phones more than a year or so. I always check ifixit before buying or recommending a phone... To see how easy it is to replace the battery
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I do exactly the same!

I really do favor being able to pop in a new battery in seconds at will vs hassles or planned obsolescence. I'd even like to see manufacturers offer slide in batteries of different sizes & offer case options for waterproofing and sports models for those who may refuse to use any kind of case.
I view the disappearance of user replaceable batteries as an extension of Apple's market power and hostility (my way or the highway proprietary attitude) to the end user. Apple never offered user replaceable batteries (nor expandable storage) and it was once a distinguishing Android device feature.
I see people around me often with dying phones being tethered to walls or carrying around large external batteries for their devices. The only smartphone I've ever owned without a user replaceable battery is the Nexus 6P & after that terrible experience of the battery dying so early ultimately having to get it professionally replaced really cemented how much I hate not being able to pop in a new battery at will. It's almost like a claustrophobic crippled feeling having to deal with an enclosed battery with no sd card like the Nexus 6P. User replaceable batteries also makes the secondary used device market much more viable vs getting a dying enclosed battery with used devices. Sales enhanced with planned obsolescence seem to take priority over offering end users & the e-waste-environment other options. I'd like to see https://www.androidpolice.com/2017/...s-smartphones-tech-last-longer-easier-repair/ happen in other markets including the US but won't hold my breath.
Regarding upcoming high end devices (none I see with removable batteries sadly), as I prefer IPS LCD to retain natural color reproduction with loud speakers-headphone jack, potentially good cameras, I'll check out the reviews & ifixit for https://www.gsmarena.com/asus_zenfone_5_ze620kl-9061.php but would not expect future phones to be as repairable as https://ifixit.org/blog/8550/lg-v20-repair-phone/ :
Wired’s Brian Barrett called the V20 a phone for power users who “feel rightly abandoned by the move toward one monolithic, iPhone-inspired smartphone design upon which HTC and Google and Motorola and others have converged. The V20 wants you to know that you are not forgotten.”
“It’s refreshing to hold a phone with a removable battery. It’s beneficial on so many levels. The life of the phone is extended by years and the battery replacements are inexpensive and so easy that anyone can do it,” Zack told us. “Screen replacements are a little more technical. But only one tool is required: a screwdriver. And that makes it simple for the average person to fix on their own.”
Any upcoming devices catch anyone's attention?
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In theory, this phone is perfect. But the planned obsolescence and flimsy plastic bull**** it was constructed with has cost 2 new headphone jacks and 2 new bezels in a year; although I'm counting it as three since my headphone jack has AGAIN worn out and needs to be replaced, along with the bottom bezel. At this point, I am convinced I could either have built a better phone myself or should have just kept my indestructible flip phone and bought a DAP.

measty said:
has cost 2 new headphone jacks and 2 new bezels in a year; although I'm counting it as three since my headphone jack has AGAIN worn out and needs to be replaced, along with the bottom bezel. At this point, I am convinced I could either have built a better phone myself or should have just kept my indestructible flip phone and bought a DAP.
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Maybe by now, you'd arrive at the conclusion bluetooth headset won't do that like conventional physical plug in versions? Just a thought. My daughter complained about her LG G3 and the one-sided output from the physical jack. Bluetooth headset solved that but quick

nightstah said:
Maybe by now, you'd arrive at the conclusion bluetooth headset won't do that like conventional physical plug in versions? Just a thought. My daughter complained about her LG G3 and the one-sided output from the physical jack. Bluetooth headset solved that but quick
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Well, the reason I got the v20 was for the DAC. Irony hits in all the right places.

I am in the same dilemma as to what will I replace the V20 with when it knocks out. I got the phone because of the DAC and user replaceable battery. My gripe with LG now is slowness of updating the software.

xs11e said:
The only correct answer is "Nobody knows what the future will bring."
I can take a guess. Since water proofing seems popular now I suspect any openings in the case will be eliminated if possible to please those who think they should teach their phone to swim. That means no replaceable battery and no headphone jack for sure and maybe no more SD cards.
Personally, if I drop my phone in the toilet it's history but for those who like "crappy" phones they must be water proof!
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The Galaxy S5 was waterproof and had a replaceable battery.
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Nolia said:
I am in the same dilemma as to what will I replace the V20 with when it knocks out. I got the phone because of the DAC and user replaceable battery. My gripe with LG now is slowness of updating the software.
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Not really slow considering the factors that carriers get in the way. Also going straight to Oreo.
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The Galaxy S5 was water "resistant", not water proof. To be waterproof a phone would need no openings in the case and I suspect that's what they're working toward. Seems silly to me, the V20 just may be my last phone since I like replaceable batteries AND SD cards. I don't need waterproofing (so far) as I've never soaked a phone.
Hope I didn't just jinx myself!

BROKEN1981 said:
The Galaxy S5 was waterproof and had a replaceable battery.
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Not really slow considering the factors that carriers get in the way. Also going straight to Oreo.
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Mine was sim free. I would still say its slow considering phones like mate 9 r running Oreo

pistacios said:
I do exactly the same!
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Easy like the one plus 5t (for a sealed battery its pretty easy, if your used to this sort of thing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=l7UvDoj6RZA

jasonv31 said:
Easy like the one plus 5t (for a sealed battery its pretty easy, if your used to this sort of thing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=12&v=l7UvDoj6RZA
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Definitely been around a device or two. I'm usually "tech support" for friends and family. Not an electronics technician, just a hobbyist. I'm actually a machinist. I'll give anything a shot before it goes in the trash.
I've been able to score some "broken" devices and get tons of use after repair, dating back to the OG Droid A855.
(3) Nexus 7 2013. One for my car install, one for my daughter, and one for around the house. 2 of them were broken screens.
My wife's "water damaged" G3, which is still alive going on 3 years after an alcohol bath fix, even after mine started wigging out with SIM errors (baked it, got it working, then bought my US996 a week later).
I've torn down a brand new Galaxy S6 and a broken screen one just to swap the board to recover data, then swap it all back to send in for insurance, lol. That was fun...stupid glass backings.
Baked my brothers V10 to get it to boot. Recover some data, it looped again, disassemble, baked it, assemble, recovered more data, looped, dissassemble, bake, assemble, recover......total of 7 times, lol.
The days of having an easily repairable device with a removable battery are slowly dying. But where there is a will, there is always a way.

It is unfortunate that it seems that way.
I'm okay with Galaxy S5 level of water resistance. I used to wash that phone on the sink constantly, and shower with it. It was enough. So there are ways to still have removable battery covers.
The problem is that most of us that opted for the V20 was for the features it have that no other phones had. If I wanted a AMOLED with always on display I would've go for a Samsung or many others. I prefer the far more useful for me second screen, it works for shortcuts, controls and notifications. Although I wish I could have even more control over it, specially like when playing fullscreen games.
I prefer IPS screens over all others any day. Specially over Samsungs SAMOLEDs, those give me headaches due to its sub pixel alignment.
The Quad-DAC headphone jack is miles ahead of grand majority of phones. On the level of overly priced music players. And the IR is something I need, for in my house family always lose/brake the remotes.
The phone was truly the last phone released for power users, the phone had every tech you could cram it, only missing true stereo speakers. Decent dual cameras with great software, removable battery, mSD, DAC, IR, a second scree, display out, near perfect IPS display, sturdy construction relative to most other phones that brake on first drop.
I seriously have no idea to what phone I would jump to, none satisfy me. Would go for a Razer phone, for the whole project linda thing. But no headphone jack makes it a no.