hi guys, got a galaxy s5 g900f, seems to have a problem with booting up
symptoms are itll boot to the first "samsung galaxy s5" splash screen, then it goes blank gives two small vibrations, then reboots to the same splash screen and just repeats this over and over
sometimes it will boot if left for about an hour, but this rarely happens
anyone have any ideas or is it dead?
anyone have a clue??
andy1weir said:
anyone have a clue??
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Ok, this is what i would do.At least you can try-enter into recovery and do factory reset from there.It should boot.good luck
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My S5 acted the same way. I tried all the tricks that I found on the Internet. Nothing worked. Samsung Service wanted $245 to replace the mainboard. My local repair shop said it is not worth repairing. I sent it to another repair shop and they tried to repair the mainboard. ($85.00) It worked for about a day then quit again. They now want another $60 to replace the mainboard. They are giving me the $85 towards the new board. Before the S5 I had two S4's. Both of them died from failed mainboards. No more top of the line Samsung phones for me. I am using an old S3 which may be the best model Samsung ever made. I think Samsung quality has gone drastically down hill. I bought my wife a Xiaomi Mi5. She loves it and says it is faster and has a better camera the S5. She says that if I get the S5 repaired that I can keep it. No way will she give up her Mi5. The question is how long the Chinese phone will last.
3545alg said:
My S5 acted the same way. I tried all the tricks that I found on the Internet. Nothing worked. Samsung Service wanted $245 to replace the mainboard. My local repair shop said it is not worth repairing. I sent it to another repair shop and they tried to repair the mainboard. ($85.00) It worked for about a day then quit again. They now want another $60 to replace the mainboard. Before the S5 I had two S4's. Both of them died from failed mainboards. No more top of the line Samsung phones for me. I am using an old S3 which may be the best model Samsung ever made. I think Samsung quality has gone drastically down hill. I bought my wife a Xiaomi Mi5. She loves it and says if is faster and has a better camera the S5. She says that if I get the S5 repaired that I can keep it. No way will she give up her Mi5. The question is how long the Chinese phone will last.
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sounds like i may have the same problem. the s5 was just a stop gap from a friend who had upgraded when i smashed my z ultra, i now have the s7 edge, but would like the s5 to work as a backup/spare phone just incase.
ill keep playing around with it, i cant get anywhere with it yet, cant even access recovery, it says recovery booting then just reboots lol.
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andy1weir said:
sounds like i may have the same problem. the s5 was just a stop gap from a friend who had upgraded when i smashed my z ultra, i now have the s7 edge, but would like the s5 to work as a backup/spare phone just incase.
ill keep playing around with it, i cant get anywhere with it yet, cant even access recovery, it says recovery booting then just reboots lol.
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I may be wrong but I seriously doubt it. Your phone is acting exactly like mine did.
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I may be wrong but I seriously doubt it. Your phone is acting exactly like mine did.
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perhaps ill send it to mazuma, their offeering £20 for it as faulty, so not totally worthless
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perhaps ill send it to mazuma, their offeering £20 for it as faulty, so not totally worthless
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LOL, I sold one of the S4's to a local repair shop for US $15. You are doing better than I did.
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I just plugged my Focus to my laptop and after a while when I was going to make a call I noticed it was dead. Tried pulling the battery out and then putting it back on and nothing, what happens is that it vibrates more than the usual when I try to turn the phone on, but it is still dead.
Then I took the battery out again, then put it back on, tried the 3 button hard reset and the screen showed a lot of blue lines in the center of the screen and you can see the SAMSUNG logo but not so clearly.
While I was trying everything to solve the issue, I noticed a strange smell coming from the battery and the pins where the charge goes through the phone. But just the smell, no liquid or something similar.
I am in Costa Rica, so I can't take it to an ATT store. Any suggestions? Someone with a similar problem?
I am one of the few other blessed individuals to have my Focus go haywire and stop working. Only difference is mine would do random hard resets, and then eventually it stopped loading into the phone and stuck on the Samsung logo with crazy vibrations going on. I just sent my phone to the Samsung repair center last week.
At this point, you may want to just call up Samsung directly and talk to them about it. More than likely it will be covered under the manufacturers warranty.
1-800-SAMSUNG (726-7864)
Since you’re in Costa Rica I’m not sure how they would handle it, so I can’t help you there.
Thanks for the info. Yes my Focus was working great, I bought it like 6 months ago and not a single issue until yesterday.
I am not sure if I am covered by any warranty, because I bought it through eBay, so I think not even Samsung directly is covering me...
Well thanks for the help!
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Thanks for the info. Yes my Focus was working great, I bought it like 6 months ago and not a single issue until yesterday.
I am not sure if I am covered by any warranty, because I bought it through eBay, so I think not even Samsung directly is covering me...
Well thanks for the help!
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SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAD A FAULTY BATTER THAT FINALLY SHORTED OUT. HAVE YOU TRIED TO PURCHASE A NEW BATTERY FIRST AND TRYING IT. yOU CAN GO TO THE CELL PHONE SHOP . COM AND BUY ONE FOR UNDER 10.00. I HAVE 2 SPARES FROM THEM AND NOT A PROBLEM. MAYBE YOU SHOULD TRY ANOTHER BATTERY FIRST.
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Thanks for the info. Yes my Focus was working great, I bought it like 6 months ago and not a single issue until yesterday.
I am not sure if I am covered by any warranty, because I bought it through eBay, so I think not even Samsung directly is covering me...
Well thanks for the help!
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If the date of manufacture is less than a year then just call them up and try. I wouldnt mention ebay though.
I am not sure if I am covered by any warranty, because I bought it through eBay, so I think not even Samsung directly is covering me...
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I actually traded my Samsung Captivate with someone for their Focus on Craigslist. I just sent in my Focus last week to the repair center, and apparently it's already ready, and most importantly covered. I think the end of August marks the one year mark of the Manufacturer’s warranty just an FYI.
Just like jaraya13 said below... do not mention Ebay. Just say you received the phone as a gift. I told them my family member could not find the receipt since they purchased the phone 8 months ago
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I actually traded my Samsung Captivate with someone for their Focus on Craigslist. I just sent in my Focus last week to the repair center, and apparently it's already ready, and most importantly covered. I think the end of August marks the one year mark of the Manufacturer’s warranty just an FYI.
Just like jaraya13 said below... do not mention Ebay. Just say you received the phone as a gift. I told them my family member could not find the receipt since they purchased the phone 8 months ago
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Woww this method sounds good! I am going to try something similar. Thanks a million!
My phone is hard bricked. When I try to turn it on there is absolutely no response. The screen does not light up, the phone does not vibrate. Absolutely nothing. I'm pretty positive there is nothing I can do about this. I called sprint and they said take it to the store and if their techs can not do anything about it then they will send me a new phone. Is there anyway the techs could tell my phone has had roms on it or been rooted and therefore not send me a new phone? Also does anyone have any ideas on any solutions? I've tried odin and recovery, nothing is happening at all even when plugged in to USB or wall charger.
From other users experiences on various forums, it is generally seen that if the phone wont turn on then they can't tell if its been superusered, rooted, or had the rom blown to bits, just make sure to remove your sd card first to eliminate most possibilities of them finding out.
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My phone is hard bricked. When I try to turn it on there is absolutely no response. The screen does not light up, the phone does not vibrate. Absolutely nothing. I'm pretty positive there is nothing I can do about this. I called sprint and they said take it to the store and if their techs can not do anything about it then they will send me a new phone. Is there anyway the techs could tell my phone has had roms on it or been rooted and therefore not send me a new phone? Also does anyone have any ideas on any solutions? I've tried odin and recovery, nothing is happening at all even when plugged in to USB or wall charger.
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how did it happen??? also when u plug it into a pc does anything happen? no qualcomm mode??
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how did it happen???
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A lot of things actually.. First thing was I tried to boot in recovery from the rom and nothing happened so I pulled the battery out and put it back in and let the phone charge all night but it never charged overnight and when I woke up it was so hot I could barely hold it. So I tried to go to download mode and at the time I could so I downloaded the stock files and went to flash it to stock in Odin figuring it was the rom. The phone shut off during the middle of flashing the system.img and after that I somehow managed to get it to recovery and I was wiping the cache to flash the stock rom zip file and then it just shut off and every pixel on the screen slowly started turning like green and then flashed really bright and that's when it officially died.
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how did it happen??? also when u plug it into a pc does anything happen? no qualcomm mode??
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Nothing happens at all when I plug into a pc. What is qualcomm mode?
Something similar happened to me and it ended up being a dead battery because the phone wouldn't charge it. I pulled my battery, charged it on a universal charger and was able to get it into Download mode. That was just my experience though. I hope you get it figured out.
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Something similar happened to me and it ended up being a dead battery because the phone wouldn't charge it. I pulled my battery, charged it on a universal charger and was able to get it into Download mode. That was just my experience though. I hope you get it figured out.
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My friend has an s4 as well and I tried his battery with no luck. Thanks though
Here is what you need to check for, plug it into the pc, go to device manager, under ports, the device should show up, what does it show?
If it says anything like QLOAD or similar (sorry been awhile) you are hard bricked, and a jtag service would be the only way, now if you exchange the device with sprint, it will be ok until some tech reviews it and plugs in his equipment, he may see the same, tmo tried get me to pay way back in my..mytouch days, had another issue with att early on, they didn't ever say anything, it was a hardware issue on that one.
bottom line, look in device manager first.
The Ax says good luck.
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Here is what you need to check for, plug it into the pc, go to device manager, under ports, the device should show up, what does it show?
If it says anything like QLOAD or similar (sorry been awhile) you are hard bricked, and a jtag service would be the only way, now if you exchange the device with sprint, it will be ok until some tech reviews it and plugs in his equipment, he may see the same, tmo tried get me to pay way back in my..mytouch days, had another issue with att early on, they didn't ever say anything, it was a hardware issue on that one.
bottom line, look in device manager first.
The Ax says good luck.
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Thanks for the advice but when I go to device manager nothing shows up for it.
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Here is what you need to check for, plug it into the pc, go to device manager, under ports, the device should show up, what does it show?
If it says anything like QLOAD or similar (sorry been awhile) you are hard bricked, and a jtag service would be the only way, now if you exchange the device with sprint, it will be ok until some tech reviews it and plugs in his equipment, he may see the same, tmo tried get me to pay way back in my..mytouch days, had another issue with att early on, they didn't ever say anything, it was a hardware issue on that one.
bottom line, look in device manager first.
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QLOAD yea thtas what waz talking about when i said qualcom download mode.. if u get that when pluging it in then yep jtag the only way.. but he saying he gets nothing.. thats not good then.. atleast if u see the QLOAD jtag is an option
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QLOAD yea thtas what waz talking about when i said qualcom download mode.. if u get that when pluging it in then yep jtag the only way.. but he saying he gets nothing.. thats not good then.. atleast if u see the QLOAD jtag is an option
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Good news. I took it to the sprint store today and the techs took it apart and got nothing. They're getting me a new one for free
I_FLY_Z3R0 said:
Good news. I took it to the sprint store today and the techs took it apart and got nothing. They're getting me a new one for free
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Good to hear!
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I_FLY_Z3R0 said:
Good news. I took it to the sprint store today and the techs took it apart and got nothing. They're getting me a new one for free
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Ahhhh yes. Have someone else pay for your mistakes. Free phone means Sprints customers are taking in the cost of you breaking your phone. Smh.
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GiantJay said:
Ahhhh yes. Have someone else pay for your mistakes. Free phone means Sprints customers are taking in the cost of you breaking your phone. Smh.
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What kind of proof do you have that by him getting a free replacement, we all have to pay for it?
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What kind of proof do you have that by him getting a free replacement, we all have to pay for it?
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LOL. Who the hell do you think the cost goes to if Sprint gives everyone a new phone that bricks it while flashing ROMs? Sprint is a business and what costs the company money costs the customer money.
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LOL. Who the hell do you think the cost goes to if Sprint gives everyone a new phone that bricks it while flashing ROMs? Sprint is a business and what costs the company money costs the customer money.
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It's not that simple though. I'm sure a Sprint allocates a specific amount of funds every year for equipment replacement. I'm sure those getting replacements for bricking their phones makes up a very small percentage of the replacements they send out every year.
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It's not that simple though. I'm sure a Sprint allocates a specific amount of funds every year for equipment replacement. I'm sure those getting replacements for bricking their phones makes up a very small percentage of the replacements they send out every year.
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And what do you think would happen if a large portion of Sprints customers started bricking their phone's? Completely locked bootloaders, prices of everything including monthly plans, insurance and phones going up? I know when I had the S3 I saw several bricks a week from people messing with things that they shouldn't and by not following instructions. So in the end whether you realize it or not you and I pay for it. And going into Sprint and acting innocent like you have no idea what happened to your phone is fraud. Plain and simple.
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And what do you think would happen if a large portion of Sprints customers started bricking their phone's? Completely locked bootloaders, prices of everything including monthly plans, insurance and phones going up? I know when I had the S3 I saw several bricks a week from people messing with things that they shouldn't and by not following instructions. So in the end whether you realize it or not you and I pay for it. And going into Sprint and acting innocent like you have no idea what happened to your phone is fraud. Plain and simple.
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Cool beans.
At any rate I was planning on doing the insurance claim and paying the 150$ deductible but they said they'd get a new one for me.
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Cool beans.
At any rate I was planning on doing the insurance claim and paying the 150$ deductible but they said they'd get a new one for me.
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I have no problem if somebody is honest about what they did and Sprint replaces the phone with no deductible. It is fraud to lie and act innocent and get a new phone.
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I have no problem if somebody is honest about what they did and Sprint replaces the phone with no deductible. It is fraud to lie and act innocent and get a new phone.
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I understand that. I have had insurance on 4 lines for 3 years and have used it once. I was more than happy to use the insurance but they offered to give me a new phone so I'm not turning that down. Sprint has earned plenty of money from me
My AT&T Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge started having problems with the display. Showed up as a single vertical line all the way down the right side of the screen. Called AT&T Troubleshooting Support and they said it was a known problem and they were going to send me a new phone.
My question is does the phone warranty start over or does it continue as the original phone? As I only have about 3 months left on the original phone. Just wondering what other's experience has been.
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My AT&T Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge started having problems with the display. Showed up as a single vertical line all the way down the right side of the screen. Called AT&T Troubleshooting Support and they said it was a known problem and they were going to send me a new phone.
My question is does the phone warranty start over or does it continue as the original phone? As I only have about 3 months left on the original phone. Just wondering what other's experience has been.
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I replace mine, nice and smooth, no problems at all. Warranty start over when you activate replacement phone, but just you to know this will be refurbished phone not new. They mail you new phone and you mail back in same package your old (broken) phone.
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I replace mine, nice and smooth, no problems at all. Warranty start over when you activate replacement phone, but just you to know this will be refurbished phone not new. They mail you new phone and you mail back in same package your old (broken) phone.
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Thank you for your reply. I was hoping thats what would happen but just wanted to confirm. You answered my questions and not too concerned with "refurbished". As long it works and I get another year of warranty
freeop said:
My AT&T Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge started having problems with the display. Showed up as a single vertical line all the way down the right side of the screen. Called AT&T Troubleshooting Support and they said it was a known problem and they were going to send me a new phone.
My question is does the phone warranty start over or does it continue as the original phone? As I only have about 3 months left on the original phone. Just wondering what other's experience has been.
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I've had my replacement device replace lol. my phone was acting up so they sent me a a refurbish one then that one started messing up right when I powered it up by giving me the phantom key presses I couldn't even type in my WiFi password because of that. so i had it replace and its been working good since then.
the warranty actually restarts with the replacement device so your good.
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I've had my replacement device replace lol. my phone was acting up so they sent me a a refurbish one then that one started messing up right when I powered it up by giving me the phantom key presses I couldn't even type in my WiFi password because of that. so i had it replace and its been working good since then.
the warranty actually restarts with the replacement device so your good.
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Thanks for your reply. Glad to know that the warranty starts over. Was kind of worried about it as I only had a couple of months left on this one.
Doesn't sound like you had good luck with replacement phones, but glad it worked out for you.
So, you read the title.
I broke my phone's screen.
The thing is it does not turn on, but the phone still works
When I dropped it and I tried to turn it on, I saw green glitches on one side of the screen.
So, I need tips
What should I do? Customer support is doing nothing, because is a problem that i made.
How much will normal J5 screen cost? Can it be repaired?
Thanks,
Telepracity
Telepracity said:
So, you read the title.
I broke my phone's screen.
The thing is it does not turn on, but the phone still works
When I dropped it and I tried to turn it on, I saw green glitches on one side of the screen.
So, I need tips
What should I do? Customer support is doing nothing, because is a problem that i made.
How much will normal J5 screen cost? Can it be repaired?
Thanks,
Telepracity
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I will get you the cost if u repair it yourself its cheaper but phone repairs its more but it will be done better
Telepracity said:
So, you read the title.
I broke my phone's screen.
The thing is it does not turn on, but the phone still works
When I dropped it and I tried to turn it on, I saw green glitches on one side of the screen.
So, I need tips
What should I do? Customer support is doing nothing, because is a problem that i made.
How much will normal J5 screen cost? Can it be repaired?
Thanks,
Telepracity
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Repairing screen will cost around €100 from official distributes, but you can try to repair on an electronic repair shop (one who repair smartphone parts), maybe you can have more luck with the price.
In last case buy new phone. (Don't buy J500H )
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Repairing screen will cost around €100 from official distributes, but you can try to repair on an electronic repair shop (one who repair smartphone parts), maybe you can have more luck with the price.
In last case buy new phone. (Don't buy J500H )
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Ugh the customer service is in the capital of my country, and that's 300 km from my town
I asked my friend, and he said he repaired his J5 screen for just 30$ :good:
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Ugh the customer service is in the capital of my country, and that's 300 km from my town
I asked my friend, and he said he repaired his J5 screen for just 30$ :good:
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Yep if he did it his self its cheap I broken my screen bought a new one from eBay
I think it depends on what level your screen is destroyed
Anyway i also think it will be around 100 euros, if thats the case buy new phone
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I think it depends on what level your screen is destroyed
Anyway i also think it will be around 100 euros, if thats the case buy new phone
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Well, it has a little spider-web at the side of the screen. LCD broken. Screen not turning on.
I think it will be better that I replace it myself, but the one thing I will hate is no Samsung logo at the top of the screen because my friends will call me "cheap fck" :laugh:
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Well, it has a little spider-web at the side of the screen. LCD broken. Screen not turning on.
I think it will be better that I replace it myself, but the one thing I will hate is no Samsung logo at the top of the screen because my friends will call me "cheap fck" :laugh:
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That wouldn't bother if its cheap at least u have a phone bro
Hi, this topic is as close to my problem as I can get. I have bought a new screen for my Samsung J530F and have removed the scattered screen. However, when I placed the new one and tried to turn the phone on, the display works only in the sense of showing stuff, but is not touch-responsive, ie I cannot control the phone.
My rather noobie and perhaps stupid question is: is the display supposed to work rightaway, or shall I assemble the phone fully before the touch-control kicks in?
I don't really care about the phone, it's the data that are inside. Most of it is on a SD card, so I'm fine, but some pieces in the internal memory are valuable for me (but not worth 100 euros for a new screen in a repair shop).
Anyway, I bought a cheap screen to give it a try - it's the TFT version. Perhaps that could play a role?
Thanks in advance for any help or nudge!
Hello everyone, I have been an android user for around 5 consistent years now and I got an LG g4 when it first came out, well after about a year of use it broke so I was without a phone for months, so I waited for the galaxy s8, I pre-order it, and I should have learned my lesson about buying phones right when they come out, I did that with my LG g4 and it had that hardware bug. Anyways I have had the phone for awhile now and it has started to freeze, the screen shuts off and won't respond for a few minutes, it will freeze for 2 seconds then shut down and reboot, the battery life is about 2 hours at 100% charge, it gets burning hot while charging and sometimes while I use it and about 2 weeks ago, I had picked up my phone off my desk and looked at the back of it and it was cracked, I know I didn't drop it either because if I do I will look at it for a good 20 minutes and the room I was in has very soft carpet so it won't break, then last Saturday I went on vacation and my I woke up that morning and grabbed my phone, and what yah know it was broken on the front and worse on the back, and I know 100 that I didn't drop it then either, because it was on the charger, so I called Samsung today, a few times actually, the people could barely speak English, were very rude and were giving me wrong information, and the problem is they want $205 to fix the screen, well why would I pay for something #1 I didn't break #2 it's defective, so why would I pay to have the screen fixed on a defective piece of hardware? So right now I am at a loss and I'm very upset, So basically I turn to my favourite form in my hour of need to ask what I should do, and I can't return it either because I'm making payments on it over sprint, also I may be uninformed of the situation because I have never had this issue, so any help you can give me is extremely appreciated
Device information: Samsung Galaxy s8 sm-g950u Arctic silver.
any questions and any answers or help or anything would be extremely appreciated
Not sure if this will help or not, but it sounds like your battery is bad and expanding inside of your phone.
Good luck bro, getting a free replacement for a cracked screen is almost impossible... I kno, I dropped 2 lg g2's in a 2weeks time span of initially getting the ****ing thing... went thru my carrier "Verizon" to get a replacement, although it worked out in the end for me cause the 2nd time I dropped the g2, they didn't have anymore g2 replacements so they sent me a g3 instead... if u have insurance thru ur carrier that's ur cheapest n best bet
You don't need to deal with Samsung directly as it sounds like you purchased the phone through Sprint. Take it to a Sprint store and explain what is happening or call customer support if you wish. They will be much easier to work with. To reiterate call Sprint not Samsung.
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You don't need to deal with Samsung directly as it sounds like you purchased the phone through Sprint. Take it to a Sprint store and explain what is happening or call customer support if you wish. They will be much easier to work with. To reiterate call Sprint not Samsung.
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Already talked to them, they wont do anything they told me to contact samsung.
Maybe you was sleepwalking and you broke your screen? Joking. Now seriously your screen it's cracked. What do you expect from Samsung? "Yo my screen it's cracked! How did you cracked? I didn't cracked yo! Then how did it got cracked? I don't know...magic yo!"
Just pay the 200$, get your phone fixed and move on..
I am with the first commentary. I have a repair store here in France and I have seen 3 batteries swell up and break the screen. Not much you can do. Warranty will only get you so far. It seems the customer service ppl are there more to deflect the customers away more than to help. They are hoping For you to give up period .And move on so if you just keep trying and pressuring them though replace your phone if not your only option is To pay the $200 .
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