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Update on the T-Mobile Vibrant software update

This seems like an internal message to T-Mobile employees.
http://mobile.engadget.com/2010/08/19/t-mobile-tells-reps-the-vibrant-gps-update-is-coming-soon/

cool. More info is good info.
People keep talking about samsung not updating or what not.
I hope these statements proves Samsung is trying this time. GPS fix and froyo and ill be a happy clam..

Yesssssir
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If you squint to read the actual T-Mobile memo -- the first paragraph meant for internal consumption, not the quoted line to be given to customers -- it looks like the schedule for all end users to get the update may slip a bit past September (my emphasis):
The software update is expected to roll out beginning in September.
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boomerbubba said:
If you squint to read the actual T-Mobile memo -- the first paragraph meant for internal consumption, not the quoted line to be given to customers -- it looks like the schedule for all end users to get the update may slip a bit past September (my emphasis):
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They say that because OTA updates are rolled out in stages. If they pushed a large update to everyone on their network, the network would bog. Also, this is to make sure the update is tested in "packets" of people, so if there is a problem with the update, only 1 percent of your user base will be affected.
OTAs usually take 2-3 weeks to roll out to everyone. So that is why they say "beginning"

MMcCraryNJ said:
They say that because OTA updates are rolled out in stages. If they pushed a large update to everyone on their network, the network would bog. Also, this is to make sure the update is tested in "packets" of people, so if there is a problem with the update, only 1 percent of your user base will be affected.
OTAs usually take 2-3 weeks to roll out to everyone. So that is why they say "beginning"
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I understand all that quite well. Just trying to get people's expectations grounded in reality. We should pay attention to what the memo actually says, not what we wish it says.
Many folks seem to be assuming they will get a "fix" in September for sure. What they can expect is sofware to "optimize GPS performance," whatever that means. And they might not get the update until sometime in October if the rollout begins at the end of September and takes several weeks. If it begins Sept. 1, it could be sooner.
When customers are dealing with 14-day return policies from T-Mobile, these distinctions are very important.

boomerbubba said:
I understand all that quite well. Just trying to get people's expectations grounded in reality. We should pay attention to what the memo actually says, not what we wish it says.
Many folks seem to be assuming they will get a "fix" in September for sure. What they can expect is sofware to "optimize GPS performance," whatever that means. And they might not get the update until sometime in October if the rollout begins at the end of September and takes several weeks. If it begins Sept. 1, it could be sooner.
When customers are dealing with 14-day return policies from T-Mobile, these distinctions are very important.
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Well "optimizing" is what needs to happen. The GPS isn't broken, it just doesn't work very well. If it were broken, it wouldn't work at all. It does see your general location, however the performance of locating and tracking needs to be improved. Hence it needs "optimizing".

Actually in my case and a few others, the gps doesn't work at all. Never has a lock despite how many satellites are in view and how strong the signal is.
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op·ti·mize
Pronunciation: \ˈäp-tə-ˌmīz\
"to make as perfect, effective, or functional as possible"
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It's the last part of the definition that bothers me "functional as possible". If it's a hardware issue then they are probably going to try to make it as "functional as possible" on broken hardware and therefore is not really fixed. We will see....

I am using unlocked samsung vibrant but I am not on T mobile network. So will I get the update ?

mohitmoudgil said:
I am using unlocked samsung vibrant but I am not on T mobile network. So will I get the update ?
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Not OTA. Perhaps there will be a direct dl, but you'll have to wait for it.

I heard that i9000 in other countries always update through the Samsung software ONLY,
Do we need it for vibrant too or we have OTA in US

Emama said:
I heard that i9000 in other countries always update through the Samsung software ONLY,
Do we need it for vibrant too or we have OTA in US
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The countries that have the I9000 have a different business model than the U.S. industry has evolved. The sales of phones and the sales of cellphone service in Europe are not so strongly linked. U.S. telecoms dominate the distribution of phones, and they provide updates to the firmware OTA. So U.S. Vibrant owners can expect to get an update that way.

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The countries that have the I9000 have a different business model than the U.S. industry has evolved. The sales of phones and the sales of cellphone service in Europe are not so strongly linked. U.S. telecoms dominate the distribution of phones, and they provide updates to the firmware OTA. So U.S. Vibrant owners can expect to get an update that way.
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so basically we dont need the KIES (?) for vibrant?

Stupid questions about this issue?
OK, I understand that things move slow in the corporate world, but someone please explain? I can understand there may be strategic reasons for releasing FroYo in dribs & drabs, but that will be to make something decent, better. But, does anyone have an opinion about the alleged GPS optimization, from the standpoint of it being ready or not? What I mean is: there's a lot of upset folks NOW because of the problem. "If" the "fix" is ready, why not release it now-ish? Does the target date mean that they're hoping against hope that someone in-house will figure it out by then? I'm sure a developer who knows inner workings of development teams can explain why? I guess the disconnect is: if the fix is ready, and they know approximately when it will be released, are they just doing testing between now and then? How many people times how many times a day times how many days or months does it take to "test" it prior to release? Just asking...

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so basically we dont need the KIES (?) for vibrant?
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That is correct.

i just called tmobile they said the gps fix is coming out in september

wbexpress said:
OK, I understand that things move slow in the corporate world, but someone please explain? I can understand there may be strategic reasons for releasing FroYo in dribs & drabs, but that will be to make something decent, better. But, does anyone have an opinion about the alleged GPS optimization, from the standpoint of it being ready or not? What I mean is: there's a lot of upset folks NOW because of the problem. "If" the "fix" is ready, why not release it now-ish? Does the target date mean that they're hoping against hope that someone in-house will figure it out by then? I'm sure a developer who knows inner workings of development teams can explain why? I guess the disconnect is: if the fix is ready, and they know approximately when it will be released, are they just doing testing between now and then? How many people times how many times a day times how many days or months does it take to "test" it prior to release? Just asking...
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Now-ish is a month. The bug fixes that will be rolled into the update are done and the final update packages are being compiled and tested (dont want OTA Bricks now do we?) and being sent to the carrier, this will probably take a week or two, and then the carrier will take the update, come up with a plan and implement the plan to distribute it OTA to users. This will also take at least a week to setup, then about 2 weeks to complete (OTA push).
As you said things take time in the corporate world. If the carrier is getting definite news of the update (evidence by the internal memo) they've probably received news of the update and its delivery date to them now. So a week or so till they actually receive it. With this guess, I'd say we're still 2-3 weeks at a minimum out till the update is 'out', which is beginning/mid Sept, and that is if there are no snags.

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Now-ish is a month. The bug fixes that will be rolled into the update are done and the final update packages are being compiled and tested (dont want OTA Bricks now do we?) and being sent to the carrier, this will probably take a week or two, and then the carrier will take the update, come up with a plan and implement the plan to distribute it OTA to users. This will also take at least a week to setup, then about 2 weeks to complete (OTA push).
As you said things take time in the corporate world. If the carrier is getting definite news of the update (evidence by the internal memo) they've probably received news of the update and its delivery date to them now. So a week or so till they actually receive it. With this guess, I'd say we're still 2-3 weeks at a minimum out till the update is 'out', which is beginning/mid Sept, and that is if there are no snags.
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Fair enough. I just needed to vent

tissimo said:
Now-ish is a month. The bug fixes that will be rolled into the update are done and the final update packages are being compiled and tested (dont want OTA Bricks now do we?) and being sent to the carrier, this will probably take a week or two, and then the carrier will take the update, come up with a plan and implement the plan to distribute it OTA to users. This will also take at least a week to setup, then about 2 weeks to complete (OTA push).
As you said things take time in the corporate world. If the carrier is getting definite news of the update (evidence by the internal memo) they've probably received news of the update and its delivery date to them now. So a week or so till they actually receive it. With this guess, I'd say we're still 2-3 weeks at a minimum out till the update is 'out', which is beginning/mid Sept, and that is if there are no snags.
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To add on to this, it is easier to add the "optimization" to the already planned update then to release two separate updates. You reduce the load on the network, reduce the chances of OTA bricks, reduced complaints of multiple updates (most users don't like to spend time worrying about that), less overhead of testing and planning each update. It's a lot different than the modding community where we can just say "I'm not responsible for what happens. At your own risk...blah blah blah."

What happened to the soak test?

The droid turbo soak test was weeks ago.. Why aren't the rest of us getting an update of some kind. I don't care if it's a patch or 5.0, can someone just tell me why there hasn't been an update for the masses yet?

aka848 said:
The droid turbo soak test was weeks ago.. Why aren't the rest of us getting an update of some kind. I don't care if it's a patch or 5.0, can someone just tell me why there hasn't been an update for the masses yet?
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Was it truly weeks ago or was the leaked announcement weeks ago?

Emails were sent on January 28th

aka848 said:
Emails were sent on January 28th
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Again, does that confirm that the soak took place already? The Maxx users are saying their soak test was put on hold. Maybe it was for the Turbo as well?

aka848 said:
The droid turbo soak test was weeks ago.. Why aren't the rest of us getting an update of some kind. I don't care if it's a patch or 5.0, can someone just tell me why there hasn't been an update for the masses yet?
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I received the surveymonky email on Jan 28th., but what I think happened was they were originally gonna soak test 5.0 or 5.0.2 and then when google release 5.1 they changed their minds to just release 5.1 as the first lollipop update to the turbo. I could be wrong but it does seem like something changed, because normally there isn't this much of a gap between surveymonkey email and actual soak.

It got delayed. They ran into a few things last week, whether its bugs or VZ approval. Should see it later this week or early next week.

gaels75 said:
It got delayed. They ran into a few things last week, whether its bugs or VZ approval. Should see it later this week or early next week.
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Not to be rude but we've heard this before. Everyone that claims to KNOW something doesn't have a source.

theycallmerayj said:
Not to be rude but we've heard this before. Everyone that claims to KNOW something doesn't have a source.
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Its probably because there not allowed to say anything about something they may know about the thing they can't talk about, this would also include reveling sources about where said something was obtained.

pmekdahl01 said:
Its probably because there not allowed to say anything about something they may know about the thing they can't talk about, this would also include reveling sources about where said something was obtained.
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Good point. He seems pretty sure about this week or early next so maybe he has a source at Verizon/Moto and can't say.

For maxx invites comes a tree days agos, soak dont put hold, only forum get closed.

Maybe it will be 5.1 so that the droid turbo is the very first phone to have it here in the US

wadamean said:
Maybe it will be 5.1 so that the droid turbo is the very first phone to have it here in the US
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That would be great, wouldn't it? I hope this is the case.

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That would be great, wouldn't it? I hope this is the case.
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I'm just sitting here in the UK with my imported Droid Turbo waiting to get Lollipop to walk around as one of the few peeps in the UK with the device....come on Verizon!

Wiggz said:
I'm just sitting here in the UK with my imported Droid Turbo waiting to get Lollipop to walk around as one of the few peeps in the UK with the device....come on Verizon!
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Same here in Germany

I am in the Droid Turbo soak test personally. Let me say this, we know just as much as you do. A Motorola engineer recently made a post that they were facing delays and that he could not provide any further details. But they were working as hard as they could to bring us a release. For this delay, I REALLY hope it's Android 5.1. Otherwise, my image of Motorola's speed will be tarnished. Practically every flagship now is currently/has already gotten the update to Lollipop.

For maxx should arrives soon

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For maxx should arrives soon
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did u have more details??
maybe u received some email )) ^^ ??
u have Brasil or Puerto Rico version?

Honestly, I'm a little disappointed. One of the reasons I bought this phone was due to Motorola's timely software updates. Besides a few moto software tricks there's really nothing different. I know some people will say "don't buy a phone for what it might do," or "We want a stable build with no bugs." Seeing as most of their flagship phones and even budget phones are on 5.0 or higher, I'm disappointed. I get that Verizon has a big role in this but the Droid lineup seems to always to be in good favor with Verizon, but this is starting to get frustrating.
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danger2u said:
did u have more details??
maybe u received some email )) ^^ ??
u have Brasil or Puerto Rico version?
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Brazil, in think comes soon because of soak

I feel for the Motorola team
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I am in the Droid Turbo soak test personally. Let me say this, we know just as much as you do. A Motorola engineer recently made a post that they were facing delays and that he could not provide any further details. But they were working as hard as they could to bring us a release. For this delay, I REALLY hope it's Android 5.1. Otherwise, my image of Motorola's speed will be tarnished. Practically every flagship now is currently/has already gotten the update to Lollipop.
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Thanks! I had no idea that the soak was delayed. I thought they had delivered it to people and for some reason it was not getting pushed out to the rest of us. I am all for giving motorola time to squash all the bugs they need to, but I feel like they could be a little a bit more transparent.
If Motorola is trying to push 5.1, and anyone working there is reading this, thank you! I cannot imagine how frustrating it must be a developer at Motorola right now. This company has changed hands multiple times since the 18 month development cycle of this phone (thanks to Verizon's rules). These devs have likely been working day and night to produce a stable build of lillipop for Motorola's flagships devices, all while Google employees, formerly co-workers of these Motorola developers, have simultaneously been doing the same for the base lollipop build with significantly better resources at their disposal and without a time crunch. Just as these Motorola devs have made 5.0 stable 5.1 comes along fixing many of the issues that delayed 5.0 on our devices to begin with. Much of Motorola's dev work and code is thrown out in favor of using what Google provided in 5.1 and now these poor devs still have to work to make 5.1 work knowing that with each passing day every user is getting more frustrated with you.
THANK YOU DEVS, we appreciate you, and we understand. Be proud of the work you do, like those of you that worked on the original DROID, who felt confident enough to mold MOTOROLA ENGINEERING into the plastic under the batter cover. I hope to see the fruits of your labor soon.

About XT1475 NOUGAT update

So i was on lenovo forums and found this (its for 1575 btw):
"Ok, so I've seen all the posts and comments. *I know Moto / Lenovo does not comment on Impending updates.
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However.
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When I called Moto Support Yesterday, I was told by two different reps that this phone's update schedule has changed, and it will no longer be recieving 7.0, or any further updates above 6.01, other than google supplied security updates.
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Even funnier, when I asked how I was supposed to get my promised update, the rep told me to Unlock my bootloader and "Google for a nougat update, Just be carefull of hacked versions" (NOT Kidding)
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When I asked for an ID or other information so I could track the seconnd call, I recieved reference number*170605-001691.
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What u guys think?
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Regular Motorola Lenovo support people have no idea and are not in the loop on updates. That is why if and when you are chosen for beta test you are told not to call them.

Since the main Nougat thread was needlessly closed, I haven't been able to keep track: has 7.0 rolled out for the XT1572 everywhere (i.e., across all of Europe) or are some major countries still waiting?
If it's rolled out everywhere else, there's absolutely no reason to think the XT1575 will ever receive Nougat. Why would there be a multi-week or multi-month gap for a device that's essentially identical? It probably has to do with CDMA issues and/or carriers demanding $$ for an approval process before they allow Nougat-ified 1575's on their network.

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Since the main Nougat thread was needlessly closed, I haven't been able to keep track: has 7.0 rolled out for the XT1572 everywhere (i.e., across all of Europe) or are some major countries still waiting?
If it's rolled out everywhere else, there's absolutely no reason to think the XT1575 will ever receive Nougat. Why would there be a multi-week or multi-month gap for a device that's essentially identical? It probably has to do with CDMA issues and/or carriers demanding $$ for an approval process before they allow Nougat-ified 1575's on their network.
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The main thread was closed from all of the arguing and was intended to keep track of the XT1575 update. Since nothing new was happening for months, it only made sense to lock it to save the admins from getting another headache from cleaning the thread again. It would be nice to have a good place to see where else the XT1572's have been getting updates though

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Since the main Nougat thread was needlessly closed, I haven't been able to keep track: has 7.0 rolled out for the XT1572 everywhere (i.e., across all of Europe) or are some major countries still waiting?
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XT1570 Style (China)
Still on Lollipop, no updates expected
XT1572 Style
UK - Not yet
EU - Most (supposedly not all variants yet)
Asia - Yes
Latin America - Yes
XT1575 Pure
North America - Not yet
And the main Nougat thread needed to be closed, it had to be cleaned by Mods several times a week because of constant arguing, bickering, whining, and needless Moto bashing that even got rather hostile at times. Leave to a few to ruin it for everyone.

One of Motorola forum administration said, that rep provided a wrong information, and they "recruite" him better. No official info about cancellation of update was provided, so I think we have a small hope.

masterman775 said:
One of Motorola forum administration said, that rep provided a wrong information, and they "recruite" him better. No official info about cancellation of update was provided, so I think we have a small hope.
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Seriously? We will get the update... The last "beta" was just sent to testers only a few weeks ago (early August I believe) because they were still having issues with Nougat on the XT1575, and once it has been approved and found to be stable it is usually rolled within 30 days.
The mentioned "obsolete" and "we are not getting an update per customer service" is crap, and has been CLEARLY disproved on Moto's official forums... did a rep say that? Apparently they did, but they were flat out wrong... they did not have the knowledge or the authority to do so.
TBH, this update for the Pure has been a PR nightmare for Moto... they don't talk about it (which is not new, Moto has been tight lipped about software updates since before Google bought them) and it is taking a ridiculously long time to get a stable ROM, the beta testers have had significant issues with several builds, even hard brick issues early on when performing a factory reset.
Although I get people's frustration, how do you think people would feel if they they got an update, then did a factory reset for whatever reason, and the device bricked because of it?
I know it sucks... but seriously what is it going to do for you? Other than a few gimmicks that Nougat has that Marshmallow does not, the update does NOTHING for this device, no new camera API, no Vulcan support, no VoLTE, no Pixel Launcher, not even updated Moto apps. You get multi-window which honestly barely has a usable function, and clear all in recents, which is also not really important, and Google Allo added at the system level (yeah, OK, nobody uses it I know).
Patience, it will come when it's ready... I honestly don't care anymore if it comes or not because by the end of the year I will be moving on to something else since this one will be pushing 20 months for me and it is just time to move on.

I'm on an XT1572 Style, which I purchased online -- I'm guessing diverted from EU markets, since the update announcements were always in French. Nougat 7.0 has made this phone unbearable to use -- 1-3sec lags on most interface interactions, and up to 5 seconds when it feels like it. I've followed the advice from Moto support to fix it, including a hard factory reset. I agree with the post above that 7.0 adds very little value to the phone. I'm angry enough to look into a consumer law action against Motorola for the replacement value. And there is no way in hell I will be buying another Moto device -- looking hard at the OnePlus 3T.

Just received nougat 7.0 this morning for my moto x pure edition. Installed the software in 30 min. Noticed the app files are larger. Everything runs smoothly so far. The phone is a XT1575 32GB. It was a very long wait. Located in Coeur D Alene, ID. Jerry Purchased from Best Buy, unlocked, Retail

Is there any soak test yet?

Is there ANY development towards official Oreo? A hidden soak test maybe?

M1810 said:
Is there ANY development towards official Oreo? A hidden soak test maybe?
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None that I know of

Honestly, I expected by now to have heard something, anything really, about a MFN beta or soak test for Oreo... but nothing, it's been pure crickets. I have little hope of Oreo being seen "soon".

acejavelin said:
Honestly, I expected by now to have heard something, anything really, about a MFN beta or soak test for Oreo... but nothing, it's been pure crickets. I have little hope of Oreo being seen "soon".
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I sometimes fear they will ditch g5plus too like moto g4.
I bought this device because of promised oreo update. And hoped treble would be possible with some tricks.
When i used moto e 1st gen i received soak test mail in mid Feb after a survey in Jan. Indian received soak test after brazil.
There has been no survey yet! Man i am sad!

ugupta100 said:
I sometimes fear they will ditch g5plus too like moto g4.
I bought this device because of promised oreo update. And hoped treble would be possible with some tricks.
When i used moto e 1st gen i received soak test mail in mid Feb after a survey in Jan. Indian received soak test after brazil.
There has been no survey yet! Man i am sad!
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They won't ditch our device.. if they promised oreo for the G4 plus it is guaranteed that we will receive it before it.
I'm being optimist and guessing that a hidden soak test is happening right now (a lenovo mod said that motorola was working ln oreo for the G5+, i guess he means in soak tests) and that in april we'll receive oreo.
That's my last stop, in may i'll be flashing 8.1.0 if nothing happens..
I mean, i left a Nokia phone at a nice price for this device, because i always loved motorola.. guess i'm done now, wether we receive oreo or not..

Only if your battery lasts out, then no reason for them to supply update, just wondering from the manufacture's point of view, might seem cynical but they only make money out of sales, not update's.
ps works for every manufacture, simple science, make product, produce money

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They won't ditch our device.. if they promised oreo for the G4 plus it is guaranteed that we will receive it before it.
I'm being optimist and guessing that a hidden soak test is happening right now (a lenovo mod said that motorola was working ln oreo for the G5+, i guess he means in soak tests) and that in april we'll receive oreo.
That's my last stop, in may i'll be flashing 8.1.0 if nothing happens..
I mean, i left a Nokia phone at a nice price for this device, because i always loved motorola.. guess i'm done now, wether we receive oreo or not..
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Lol... Keep your delusions. There made no "promise", only the normal blog statement back in September. If they said the G4 Plus would get it as well there is nothing saying the G5 has to get it first.
"Working on it" dies not equate necssarily to a hidden soak test, could just be on the dev teams daily morning meeting to do list. Soak test procedures are pretty well defined. About 30 days prior to beginning of soak test, a survey goes out to a group of MFN users, about 50% of that group will be selected for it. We almost always hear about both of these steps in the forums and on news sites, and so far nothing. The surveys usually prompt questions in the forums, and the initial beta releases to members of the group usually prompt release rumors even by Android news organizations.
Then a 30-45 day trial starts, if all goes well about 30 days after the test ends, the update is released. If it doesn't go well, it goes back to dev team and starts over with the same group. This can take a while, for the Moto X Pure it took almost a full year with Surveys and beta group selection beginning in Feb 2017 and the final Nougat roll-out completing in January this year.
I honestly do not expect to see Oreo until mid to end of Summer season at the earliest, but surprises happen.

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Lol... Keep your delusions. There made no "promise", only the normal blog statement back in September. If they said the G4 Plus would get it as well there is nothing saying the G5 has to get it first.
"Working on it" dies not equate necssarily to a hidden soak test, could just be on the dev teams daily morning meeting to do list. Soak test procedures are pretty well defined. About 30 days prior to beginning of soak test, a survey goes out to a group of MFN users, about 50% of that group will be selected for it. We almost always hear about both of these steps in the forums and on news sites, and so far nothing. The surveys usually prompt questions in the forums, and the initial beta releases to members of the group usually prompt release rumors even by Android news organizations.
Then a 30-45 day trial starts, if all goes well about 30 days after the test ends, the update is released. If it doesn't go well, it goes back to dev team and starts over with the same group. This can take a while, for the Moto X Pure it took almost a full year with Surveys and beta group selection beginning in Feb 2017 and the final Nougat roll-out completing in January this year.
I honestly do not expect to see Oreo until mid to end of Summer season at the earliest, but surprises happen.
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The G4 plus was promised to get oreo, you can see on their official blog at the very end
And they said it will come later because it was not on their original agenda (like the G5+ was), so i'm right about the G5+ getting it first

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The G4 plus was promised to get oreo, you can see on their official blog at the very end
And they said it will come later because it was not on their original agenda (like the G5+ was), so i'm right about the G5+ getting it first
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Motorola's history here makes it hard to say their blog posts, the only "official" statements, are a promise, but I concede that they did actually use that term regarding the G4 Plus.
https://blog.motorola.com/2017/09/14/say-hello-android-oreo/
Their exact wording for the release timing was:
But it’s important to us we keep our promises, so in addition to the N upgrade it has already received, we will be upgrading moto g4 Plus to Android O. Because this is an unplanned upgrade, it will take some time to fit into our schedule, we’ll update our software upgrade page when we have more info.
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Although common sense says this means it's on the bottom of the pile in regards to getting the update, there is nothing that says it won't get it's update before any or all of the other devices.

M1810 said:
The G4 plus was promised to get oreo, you can see on their official blog at the very end
And they said it will come later because it was not on their original agenda (like the G5+ was), so i'm right about the G5+ getting it first
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It's Lenovo. They promise all kinds of things, and wait months until everyone else moved on or forgot about it and then they ditch the phone support, show a new phone to buy, same promises, only to be dumped the same way. I won't even think G5plus gets anything, I mean they still haven't updated the Z line and they are now ditching the X line. Who knows, maybe they gonna ditch the G or the Z next along with the promised updates and just tell you to buy a newer phone.
I wouldn't bet a penny on their words.

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It's Lenovo. They promise all kinds of things, and wait months until everyone else moved on or forgot about it and then they ditch the phone support, show a new phone to buy, same promises, only to be dumped the same way. I won't even think G5plus gets anything, I mean they still haven't updated the Z line and they are now ditching the X line. Who knows, maybe they gonna ditch the G or the Z next along with the promised updates and just tell you to buy a newer phone.
I wouldn't bet a penny on their words.
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You're wrong about the Z lineup. They are running Oreo soak tests for Z series

You can see now all the Z series and X series got Oreo.
Next is G series.

Oreo being rolled out for Moto G5

Just saw a Reddit post that mentioned that Oreo is currently being rolled out for the Moto G5! I wonder if that means that Oreo for our devices is right around the corner?

It Will be great! :laugh:

Link, bro?

Nacorito said:
Link, bro?
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https://www.xda-developers.com/motorola-moto-g5-plus-android-8-1-oreo-soak/

Hmm, not sure - the roll out for both G5S plus and G5 Plus Oreo have both been soak tests so far. I've not seen a mention of a general release so far.
It could be that Motorola are working on the Oreo update for our devices, I imagine we're not the highest priority at the moment, since we already had our major update. Still, let's see what happens.

echo92 said:
... since we already had our major update. ...
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NO! We didn't. When I bought the device, it was mentioned in all promotional material that we will get guaranteed Android N and O updates. Though, there was no time frame mentioned, but this is ridiculous that we have to wait so long. I'm never gonna recommend a Moto device again, just because of updates, which was the USP for recommendations.
I am not sure when will Motorola ever speak about G4(+) as in their Oreo upgrade plan this device was missing at first. Then on reddit people made posts with promo materials showing promises and they just included the device in their list I believe several months ago. So, they never intended to upgrade it, and who knows they ever will.

vijay-in said:
NO! We didn't. When I bought the device, it was mentioned in all promotional material that we will get guaranteed Android N and O updates. Though, there was no time frame mentioned, but this is ridiculous that we have to wait so long. I'm never gonna recommend a Moto device again, just because of updates, which was the USP for recommendations.
I am not sure when will Motorola ever speak about G4(+) as in their Oreo upgrade plan this device was missing at first. Then on reddit people made posts with promo materials showing promises and they just included the device in their list I believe several months ago. So, they never intended to upgrade it, and who knows they ever will.
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The major update was nougat that this device received already(echo92 is correct). At the beginning it was shipped with marshmallow. Seems you bought the device while those promo materials were discussed around the world
You'll find already a lot of threads in this device forum discussing the Oreo topic.
Edit: something to read
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g4-plus/help/motorola-promised-oreo-build-t3802976
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g4-plus/how-to/moto-g4-plus-getting-android-o-t3576948/
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g4-plus/how-to/oreo-g4-plus-t3673163
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g4-plus/how-to/android-oreo-8-0-coming-to-motorola-t3660249

strongst said:
The major update was nougat that this device received already(echo92 is correct). At the beginning it was shipped with marshmallow. Seems you bought the device while those promo materials were discussed around the world
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This would be correct for any vendor that promises one major upgrade and had a history of doing so. But, Motorola was choice of many due to consistent security updates and at least 2 major upgrades, and not just that, they actually said that. So, you are right they gave one major update out of promised 2, but I didn't mean that I bought the device with Nougat.
My purchase date was 20-May-2016 which was the Amazon-exclusive launch date in India and got it in my hand on 21-May-2016. I have the device with one of my family members now as I upgraded to a different device.
Luring the updates and making customer buy due to that reason and denying or delaying later is not done. We don't have very strict consumer protection law here, otherwise there definitely would have been an update

vijay-in said:
NO! We didn't. When I bought the device, it was mentioned in all promotional material that we will get guaranteed Android N and O updates. Though, there was no time frame mentioned, but this is ridiculous that we have to wait so long. I'm never gonna recommend a Moto device again, just because of updates, which was the USP for recommendations.
I am not sure when will Motorola ever speak about G4(+) as in their Oreo upgrade plan this device was missing at first. Then on reddit people made posts with promo materials showing promises and they just included the device in their list I believe several months ago. So, they never intended to upgrade it, and who knows they ever will.
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Nokia all the way. Really, they have very good phones, decently priced with the majority of them running Android One. If my G4 Plus were to die now, I'd probably get a Nokia 7 Plus or a 6.1.

corlatemanuel said:
Nokia all the way. Really, they have very good phones, decently priced with the majority of them running Android One. If my G4 Plus were to die now, I'd probably get a Nokia 7 Plus or a 6.1.
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Nokia do seem to be a good choice, one of the things I'm not keen on is their lack of an official bootloader unlock program. Granted, you can pay for an unlock key (to whom?) and the increasing security measures (e.g. Safetynet) are making unlocking more of a hassle, just at the moment there's not much support for custom ROMs or TWRP.