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Should I get a nexus 6P or wait?

Hi all,
I currently have a HTC M8 One with a semi-functioning charge port. I don't want to pay $150 to have it fixed. So, I'm looking at what's out there and coming. The specs on the Nexus 6 P look great but the HTC M10 one and Samsung Galaxy S7 also look great. I'm leaning towards the Nexus6 p but is there anything that makes this phone stand out?? I'm currently on Verizon and thankfully the HTC m8 one has a nano SIM. So activation should be pretty simple.

All depends what you like. I used to buy flagship phones and I've always bought Nexus every time one came out and imo there's just no device like a Nexus device. Maybe OPO but yeah Nexus is the real deal, pure uncut Android. Roms and kernels run better and have no bugs like other devices. It all depends what you like. For me I'm all Nexus and this 6p is by far the best one ever made. The camera is amazing and CPU is great too. Battery life is great. Just depends on what you like really..
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SM210 said:
All depends what you like. I used to buy flagship phones and I've always bought Nexus every time one came out and imo there's just no device like a Nexus device. Maybe OPO but yeah Nexus is the real deal, pure uncut Android. Roms and kernels run better and have no bugs like other devices. It all depends what you like. For me I'm all Nexus and this 6p is by far the best one ever made. The camera is amazing and CPU is great too. Battery life is great. Just depends on what you like really..
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Thanks. Any info is always helpful. I am a flashaholic so this sounds like the best option.

cromanorn said:
Thanks. Any info is always helpful. I am a flashaholic so this sounds like the best option.
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Oh yeah man come on over. You'll be in heaven. ?
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I was just helping my brother figure out why his m8 is running so slow. I concluded it is just showing its age. He is envious of my 6p. I say come on over.

cromanorn said:
Thanks. Any info is always helpful. I am a flashaholic so this sounds like the best option.
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Nexus everytime mate it's not chocked with bloat ware and buggy skins like touchwiz
Besides this really is the best android phone so far
You'd definitely not regret getting one
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Just ordered. Now I have to be patient. Thanks for the info everyone!!

Congratz! Nexus6 P + XDA = Win Win!

cromanorn said:
Hi all,
I currently have a HTC M8 One with a semi-functioning charge port. I don't want to pay $150 to have it fixed. So, I'm looking at what's out there and coming. The specs on the Nexus 6 P look great but the HTC M10 one and Samsung Galaxy S7 also look great. I'm leaning towards the Nexus6 p but is there anything that makes this phone stand out?? I'm currently on Verizon and thankfully the HTC m8 one has a nano SIM. So activation should be pretty simple.
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Is the N6P able to work on Verizon network?
Thanks

talkcc144 said:
Is the N6P able to work on Verizon network?
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I'm using it right now on verizon. Used an activated sim. Not sure if they will activate a new line for it though.

anyone here switch over to N6P from N5X?

Gizmoe said:
I'm using it right now on verizon. Used an activated sim. Not sure if they will activate a new line for it though.
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Please tell me how you got it to work on Verizon. I used their BYOD service after I logged in and enter my IMEI via this service and it stated that it did not support the N6P.
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talkcc144 said:
Please tell me how you got it to work on Verizon. I used their BYOD service after I logged in and enter my IMEI via this service and it stated that it did not support the N6P.
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I had a galaxy s6 activated already on Verizon. All I did was take the sim out and put it into my 6P. You can't try and activate the 6P itself because they will tell you that it is not supported on their network. You have to use a sim that has been activated for a previous device.

cromanorn said:
Thanks. Any info is always helpful. I am a flashaholic so this sounds like the best option.
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With devices and carriers seemingly becoming more and more locked down, I'd highly recommend the n6p for you on that reason alone. I came from a VZW galaxy note 4 and I was very disappointed with the lack of root and development options. Although I will say that, it being my first Samsung device, I did eventually see very little reason to NEED root.. However now that I'm back on a device with more freedom I'm remembering how much I missed the features you can't get otherwise.
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talkcc144 said:
Please tell me how you got it to work on Verizon. I used their BYOD service after I logged in and enter my IMEI via this service and it stated that it did not support the N6P.
Thanks
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All I did was call VZW (to my understanding you should be able to accomplish the same by going into your local VZW store) and had them overnight me a nano sim card, only because I was coming from Note 4 with micro sim. I popped the sim card in and after about 5 min on the phone with customer support I was up and running.
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Personally, if you're on the fence about it, don't get it. The phone speaks for itself spec wise, and on the hardware level. Stock everything, so fast updates, etc.
If you're into the HTC / Samsung, you're mainly doing it for the software tricks / gimmicks, but also puts you behind the 8 ball as far as updates.

I would have personally waited for SD 820 devices since they are only about a month or so away at this point. And please don't give me the typical apologist "there is always something better around the corner" line. I'm completely aware of that, but there are plenty of devices gonna be announced in less than a month and some releasing shortly after that.
If they were 6+ months out then I would say to dive in head first. But unless you 100% want stock android, there is very little reason to get one at this point.

Just ordered a gold. I have a rooted S6 on Verizon which runs great. But...I want a device running latest and greatest, larger display, and better battery life. S6 has been a delight besides multitasking being borked and battery life. Only things Im really scared Ill miss is the Touchwiz theme engine (yes i said Id miss a touchwiz feature! Lol), and the superior display technology. There are some gorgeous themes on here

teh roxxorz said:
Personally, if you're on the fence about it, don't get it. The phone speaks for itself spec wise, and on the hardware level. Stock everything, so fast updates, etc.
If you're into the HTC / Samsung, you're mainly doing it for the software tricks / gimmicks, but also puts you behind the 8 ball as far as updates.
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One thing you can't argue is the build quality from Huawei compared to HTC and Samsung. Regardless of the software packed into the latter manufacturers, there is no denying that the build quality is far superior.
I had the 6p on two different occasions and ended up returning each of them because it just didn't feel right in my hand. I went back to my trust Nexus 6 and the solid feel is there and the software is right up to par with the 6p.

I'm a fence sitter, i currently have a nexus 5, that is currently running stock, as i was intending to trade it and use the money to offset a nexus 6P.
A few things have kept me on the fence with the 6p such as:
Lack of QI charging, or any cases or accessories to add this - Yes QI charging is slow, in some cases much slower however its incredibly convenient, ive even got a couple of QI chargers with built in batterys that are almost the same size as the nexus 5 put one in my pocket next to the nexus 5 and it charges the phone wirelesly in a pocket
Difficult to repair, I will quite happily take something to bits to fix it, if required and the build quality and ease of disassembly is one of the criteria i look at, the 6p is far from simple to disassemble, the other option would have been nexus protect, but thats not available in the UK.
The bending thread, plus seeing the demo uints at car phone warehouse with the same bend/kink round the button
My sim only plan/network/carrier, at the moment i have a sim only plan for £15/month (approx US$21) for that i get, 2,000 minutes, 5,000 texts and completely unrestricted no limits all you can eat/use as much as you like 4g data with unrestricted all you can use 4G tethering, again no limits no restrictions, unsurprisingly my network Three is no longer offering this, and moving customers off this plan onto something else - the nearest equivalent will cost £20 a month ( US$43) and will see my minutes drop from 2,000 to just 200 with 4G/3G tethering capped at 12GB/month ( handset data remains all you can use ) at the moment im still on the sim 15 plan, but for how much longer I dont know, if anything changes it may be worth getting a phone on contract. ( The US carriers probably offer cheaper/more generous deals. )
so for now I'm intending to keep my nexus 5 going a little longer

New stuff wont available until end of march/April in most cases. Plus the price is at its highest when it's first released

Comparing the Idol 3 to some recent releases

Everyone seem's to be looking at phones like the idol 4..the oneplus 3...but all the phones I saw mentioned were in the $200-$400 range and the $200 model was rather barebones...now I'm not a gamer and I originally purchased the idol 3 because the phone was CHEAP and had the features I wanted. I decided to review a couple of phone...both cheaper than the $200 I paid for my idol 3 but can still be considered prospects.
The idol 3 has come a long way with marshmallow but the development community is still tiny and alcatel provides zero support. The removal of fastboot when installing marshmallow is another example of their ....I want to say ineptness because why cripple a phone that is sold unlocked.....if you use the marshmallow 6.0 radio you lose band 12 lte....if you flash the 5.0.2 radio you get it back.
The first phone I tested basically came across as an Idol 4.7 except it had a 5.5 screen. The ZTE Zmax 2 is currently selling for $60 at bestbuy [ http://slickdeals.net/f/8791267-at-t-gophone-zte-zmax-2-bestbuy-59-99?v=1&p=85689931 ] as an "AT&T Go Phone" but is easily unlocked to run on other carriers. It comes with Lollipop but folks have already found "soft roots" for it and I imagine before to long marshmallow will be available.
The basic specs are:
Qualcomm MSM8916 Snapdragon 410 [ Quad-core 1.2 GHz Cortex-A53 ]
16GB Internal Memory
2GB RAM
MicroSD Card Slot (up to 64GB)
5.5" 1280x720 Display [720p]
8MP Rear & 2MP Front Cameras
4G LTE
Removable 3000 mAh Battery
Android 5.1 Lollipop
Full specs available at: http://www.gsmarena.com/zte_zmax_2-7572.php
You might like: http://www.tomsguide.com/us/zte-zmax-2,review-3582.html
For unlocking, see the Wiki board in thread [ Everything in the wiki was NOT written by me so when you see "I tried this" in there it's the original author. ]:
http://slickdeals.net/f/8851267-16g...ct-smartphone-60-free-shipping?src=SiteSearch
For case:
http://slickdeals.net/f/8791267-at-t-gophone-zte-zmax-2-bestbuy-59-99?v=1&p=85689931#post85689931
Tempered glass:
http://r.ebay.com/eiSfaR
Low light pictures using Open Camera with Expsoure adjustment:
http://slickdeals.net/forums/showpost.php?p=85985455&postcount=472
Recommended apps to get *as close as possible* to LG double knock feature.
-- Nova launcher prime -- Has double knock to turn off the screen
-- Gravity Screen (Plexnor) -- Comes with tons of useful features like keeping the Screen on by motion, turning the screen off by placing it flat on a tablet, pocket sensor etc.. But I am only using the Wave to unlock (proximity sensor to unlock)
Double knock to turn on the screen -- I did tons of research.. Not possible. So don't waste your time..only LG has implemented this without draining the battery (that is, without having to keep a black screen On waiting for user input).
Rooting -- not available at the moment because no one has been able to crack the ZTE's locked Bootloader.. so don't fall a prey to fictitious links that claim a root of this phone. On the +ve side, haven't felt the need to root till now. I read a post that on XDA there is some way to disable even system apps without rooting, but haven't felt the need or tried it so far.
How to unlock this phone:
1. Do not turn the phone on, don't even open the box.
2. Go to this web site: https://www.att.com/deviceunlock/?#/
3. Check I have read and agree to the eligibility requirements to unlock my device.
4. This is super important, check Non-AT&T Mobility Customer
5. Fill out the form, including the IMEI number which is located on the Box
6. Submit
7. You will be sent an email with a link to confirm
8. Open your email and confirm
9. Anywhere from 1 hour to 48 hours you will be given an unlock code. It took 8 hours for me to receive mine.
10. Open up the box, put in your SIM from your Carrier and turn it on.
11. You will be prompted for the unlock code
12. Put it in and continue.
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Firmware Update (credit: jchu14)
If you're using the Zmax 2 on a non-AT&T network, don't throw away the ATT GO prepaid sim card! You can use the sim card to obtain software update for free.
The most current version is b17. Usually if you have a non-ATT sim card in the phone, when you check for sofware update in 'settings', you won't be able to see updates available. You need to have an active sim card in the phone to activate.
To activate the sim card, go to att's website [att.com] and enter the sim card number printed on the sim card itself. Go through the activation process (need email address and zip code). When it asks you to put in an IMEI: put in all zeros. When it asks you to choose a plan, it doesn't matter what you choose. I picked the 25 cent/min plan even though all other plans should work (you don't have to pay anything regardless of what plan you pick).
Go though the activation process and eventually you'll assigned a phone number and your sim is activated! Stick that sim card in the phone and then check for a software update in 'settings'. You should be notified of an available update. If it tells you to wait 24 hours before you can check again, you can manually change the date and time of your phone in 'settings > date and time'. Set it forward a day, then you can again check for software update. Generally the phone will update to b16 first. After b16 is applied, you may have to check and roll the date forward twice before it'll see and apply the b17 update.
There is no need to actually put any money into the account attached to the sim card. However, this sim card will expire in 60 days if you don't put in any money into the account. So maybe it's not a bad choice if you want to hold on to the sim card inactivated until a major update is available.
Confirmed in AT&T Forums, these conditions MUST be met.
For the Update to proceed automatically, the phone conditions have to be as follows:
1. 100% Battery Capacity
2. Charger Connected
3. Active AT&T SIM
I use Cricket MVNO and followed these steps in the wiki to successfully update. (lowprice)
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T-Mobile Network compatibility:
* 4G LTE Band 4 (primary) AWS 1700/2100 - YES
* 4G LTE Band 2 (secondary) PCS 1900 - YES
* 4G LTE Band 12 (new primary/upcoming) 700-A - YES!
* 4G HSPA+ Band 4 (deprecated) AWS 1700/2100 - NO
* 4G HSPA+ Band 2 (new primary) PCS 1900 - YES
* 2G EDGE Band 2 (primary) PCS 1900 - YES
T-Mobile Features:
* WiFi Calling - NO
* VoLTE - NO
* RCS - NO
* Tethering/HotSpot - NO native, YES use 3rd party app (ES File Explorer)
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The second phone is a bit of a special deal...currently Amazon is selling the BLU R1 HD for $60 [I'd get the Zmax 2 over the BLU which is smaller and has ads for the same price ] and the Moto G4 for $155. Both of those include a $50 price drop (and a 2nd $25 off for the Moto G4) because they are ONLY for prime members and they show ad's on the lockscreen. Would you let amazon display ad's if it saved you $75 off a phone? I decided I would...here is the deal: https://slickdeals.net/f/8881879-pr...-50-moto-g-4th-gen-from-125-more-free-s-h?v=1
Basic Specs:
Moto G (4th Gen) Specs:
5.5" 1920x1080 IPS display
1.5Gz Qualcomm Snapdragon 617 Octo-Core CPU
2GB RAM
MicroSD Card Slot (up to 128GB)
13MP rear + 5MP front cameras
3000mAh battery
Android 6.0 Marshmallow
Compatible w/ AT&T, T-Mobile, Sprint & Verizon
16GB OR 32GB (+$30)
Detailed Specs: http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_moto_g4-8103.php
Final out the door price on these: $125 for the 16gb G4 and $155 for the 32gb g4. I opted to pay the $30 extra to get the 32gb..but will also be dropping in a 128gb microsd. Both beat the original sale price of the Idol 3......I'm curious to see what others think. Please don't turn this into a flame war. This is just to compare how the idol 3 stacks up to recent phones at or below it's original price range. What was flagship a couple years ago is now seen as a "bargain phone".
You might like this review: http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/mobi...6-review-the-best-budget-smartphone-ever-made

Damn, that is a sweet price for the Moto 4G.
Now I am wondering if I should have waited a bit instead of paying 90€ to repait my Idol's cracked screen after it randomly broke in my hands.
I feel tempted to get a G4 even so... mainly for the gigantic dev community it will surely have.
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thanks for the thread
to be honest ive had mostly what you may call top end phones (most of the flagships up to 2015) but i had too many contracts at one point and i ended up selling most of them (still have the htc m9 and z3)
but the girlfriend uses my m9 and my dad uses my z3 and i was looking just for a cheap phone just till the end of my contract but wanted some good features like (great display and sound and just to run nice)
i wasn't expecting much with the idol 3 but i was surprised just how good it was for the money i paid £180 brand new
and for me the display and sound beat both my z3 and m9 so for a budget phone i think that's good
i just wish we had more development and support for the idol 3 but at least it isnt non existent
and i agree with the marshmallow builds at the moment there a pain but again at least we getting them
all in all i dont think even today there much of a better phone for the value and when we have a final mm builds up with no bugs ect i think we will have a much snappier and better camera too just to add to the list

Nice. Also, the honor 5x and idol 3 are nearly identical aside from the aluminum case the honor has. Same hardware specs. But the idol 3 speakers are way way better (I have used both) and calls sound better too.
Not bad for an almost year old phone heh, its def still worth purchasing now, esp at 70 less than the honor 5x at cricket price.
That zte looks freaking sweet for the price tho heh. I keep finding myself asking why pay more than 200ish for a phone unless u really need the insane camera quality the high end guys have. For general use the canera on the idol 3 is great. Who actually needs freaking 4k res on a phone sized screen or 6gb of ram? Sure big internal storage is nice, but SD cards are crazy cheap lol. My 64gb evo plus was 20 bucks !
I also really liked the blue vivo 5, great specs and beautiful construction. Unfortunately there not much going on for it ROM wise, blu is terrible with updates, and there is no way to get band 12 on it making it virtually useless for Tampa bay gsm carriers.
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Nexus 5x is only $199 through Project Fi.

seabro01 said:
Nexus 5x is only $199 through Project Fi.
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But you can only use it with Google Phi. That's a bit of fine print they don't tell you. Got a friend who tried to use his 5x on different carrier from Phi and it wouldn't read sim, even with rooting. Google knows how to get people so watch out.

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But you can only use it with Google Phi. That's a bit of fine print they don't tell you. Got a friend who tried to use his 5x on different carrier from Phi and it wouldn't read sim, even with rooting. Google knows how to get people so watch out.
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Pretty sure that would be illegal. That was the whole point behind the recent laws passed that REQUIRE a provider to provide an unlock method for a device that's paid in full so it could be used with other carriers.
*update* Just went and read the FAQ at Project FI and there's no mods to the phone..they are vanilla...it specifically addresses that you can leave project fi after the device has been paid in full with no contract. People can bring their OWN phones (nexus 5x, nexus 6 etc..on specific models because the phones they are using work on ALL the major carriers) and just order a project FI sim which pretty much settles it.

famewolf said:
Everyone seem's to be looking at phones like the idol 4..the oneplus 3...but all the phones I saw mentioned were in the $200-$400 range and the $200 model was rather barebones...now I'm not a gamer and I originally purchased the idol 3 because the phone was CHEAP and had the features I wanted.
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That is the same reason I bought the Alcatel Idol 3 as well. It was the best value proposition I'd seen since the Nexus 4 (and it actually surpassed the Nexus 4 in every way other than updates).
The Moto G4 (and G4+) look like the new kings of budget smartphones in my opinion. With that said, I think that the areas where the phones excel are still only a few shades better than the Idol 3. OTOH, when I upgraded from my N4 to my Idol 3, it was the equivalent of upgrading to a flagship in terms of added functionality/compatibility.
If I didn't already have an Idol 3, I would definitely be giving the G4 a hard look. Overall though, I'm not sure whether I would hypothetically pull the trigger because the phone design is the same generic Moto feel. (I will give credit for the ability to switch the back as a cool option though). Also, I don't like the fact that there is no NFC and no fingerprint scanner (on the cheaper model) which makes me question the future proofing of the device. Overall, this is probably the best budget phone out there, but it is nothing that differentiates the phone in my opinion.
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But you can only use it with Google Phi. That's a bit of fine print they don't tell you. Got a friend who tried to use his 5x on different carrier from Phi and it wouldn't read sim, even with rooting. Google knows how to get people so watch out.
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Your friend must have broken something. There are a lot of people who bought the 5X for the $199 Project Fi price, then canceled Project Fi and took it to their regular carrier

macallik said:
That is the same reason I bought the Alcatel Idol 3 as well. It was the best value proposition I'd seen since the Nexus 4 (and it actually surpassed the Nexus 4 in every way other than updates).
The Moto G4 (and G4+) look like the new kings of budget smartphones in my opinion. With that said, I think that the areas where the phones excel are still only a few shades better than the Idol 3. OTOH, when I upgraded from my N4 to my Idol 3, it was the equivalent of upgrading to a flagship in terms of added functionality/compatibility.
If I didn't already have an Idol 3, I would definitely be giving the G4 a hard look. Overall though, I'm not sure whether I would hypothetically pull the trigger because the phone design is the same generic Moto feel. (I will give credit for the ability to switch the back as a cool option though). Also, I don't like the fact that there is no NFC and no fingerprint scanner (on the cheaper model) which makes me question the future proofing of the device. Overall, this is probably the best budget phone out there, but it is nothing that differentiates the phone in my opinion.
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Your friend must have broken something. There are a lot of people who bought the 5X for the $199 Project Fi price, then canceled Project Fi and took it to their regular carrier
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Performance and screen on battery time are still going to be a major issue for some folks...marshmallow helped alot with performance but dropped screen on time to around 4 hours....even with the $60 budget ZTE Zmax2 I picked up which has the same cpu/storage/memory as the idol 3 4.7 but a 5.5 screen I'm getting 6+ hours of screen on time showing as a minimum. For some the fact the moto g4 will have a HUGE development community can also be an important issue. Alcatel has totally missed the ball on working with the community to get positive free advertising.
So the general consensus seems to be......yeah there are phones out there cheaper than the idol 3 was that have some specs that are close (but improved) but the idol 3 is still doing good enough FOR NOW.
That being said...I purchased both the zmax2 AND the moto g4...more than likely the moto g4 will become my primary phone however I fully intend to continue working with the idol and zmax2. I'm personally looking forward to @The Marionette's "aosp-ify" Marshmallow Rom.

Your friend must have broken something. There are a lot of people who bought the 5X for the $199 Project Fi price, then canceled Project Fi and took it to their regular carrier
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Unless they changed something he got the 5x when google first came with it for 199 with phi, but he also lives in Kansas so that may be an issue too. I've got Cricket/ATT and I barely got any service out there.
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Pretty sure that would be illegal. That was the whole point behind the recent laws passed that REQUIRE a provider to provide an unlock method for a device that's paid in full so it could be used with other carriers.
*update* Just went and read the FAQ at Project FI and there's no mods to the phone..they are vanilla...it specifically addresses that you can leave project fi after the device has been paid in full with no contract. People can bring their OWN phones (nexus 5x, nexus 6 etc..on specific models because the phones they are using work on ALL the major carriers) and just order a project FI sim which pretty much settles it.
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okly dokly then. He lives in KS so I'm guessing he just doesn't receive service from other carriers where he lives then. He told me the other sims didn't work, but I was out there last weekend for family reunion and I got no service in town.

kingoftheafro said:
Unless they changed something he got the 5x when google first came with it for 199 with phi, but he also lives in Kansas so that may be an issue too. I've got Cricket/ATT and I barely got any service out there.
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okly dokly then. He lives in KS so I'm guessing he just doesn't receive service from other carriers where he lives then. He told me the other sims didn't work, but I was out there last weekend for family reunion and I got no service in town.
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The confusing part of that was I thought from reading that Project FI piggybacked on the other networks....so if it has service then he should be able to identify what network/towers/bands he's using and find the local provider that uses those.

Oh no famewolf is switching primaries. Will the new moto your getting sound as good as the idol 3 does? Listening to music while closing at work was a huge factor for me in buying the phone, and it did not disappoint.
Even the honor 5x which I almost spent 70 bucks more on did not sound nearly as good. Compared to my managers s7, hers is louder but idol 3 has way better definition. I haven't found any other midrange phone that even comes close.
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nekomancey said:
Oh no famewolf is switching primaries. Will the new moto your getting sound as good as the idol 3 does? Listening to music while closing at work was a huge factor for me in buying the phone, and it did not disappoint.
Even the honor 5x which I almost spent 70 bucks more on did not sound nearly as good. Compared to my managers s7, hers is louder but idol 3 has way better definition. I haven't found any other midrange phone that even comes close.
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Maybe not, although the moto g4 does come with dolby however realistically I do all my listening via bluetooth...in the car...on a bluetooth speaker....what it will do is let me go out all day for doctor's appointments and errands and not have to carry a charger with me or if I do have to I can get an hours worth of juice in about 15 minutes....I am however adding quick charge receivers to the idol and the zmax2 so they can charge wirelessly.

Oh OK! If new moto battery life is gonna be significantly better than a idol 3 on xda ROM I'm interested too! Friend just had her $600 iphone stolen and she's lookin for something cheaper this time
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prices are INSANE - I just bought a Nexus 5x

In Germany you have to pay 759€ for the version with 32GB.
Sorry Google but I just did something I thought I'd never do: buy a Nexus from last year instead buying the very best Google has to offer.
For 245€ I got a 32 GB Nexus 5x. A good upgrade form my 16GB Nexus 4 which I loved so much.
Sure, I get it: let's just price the Pixel nearly the same as an iPhone 7 but for a company that's doing 'its very own phone' (hello HTC) for the first time this price is just nuts.
I am so angry atm but I really want to hear your opinion on pricing. Except daydream VR this phone has simply nothing that stands out from the competition and now please don't come with the 'best camera in any smartphone'. I have waited for a big nexus upgrade for years now and I can't believe that this is ruined by a price that's beyond good and evil. I kinda waited the whole time for 'one more thing'.....the pixel will support Andromeda via USB type C in the future or something similar but no.
BIG DISAPPOINTMENT.
Very happy that I got a Nexus 5x now so cheap!

I totally agree. I've been waiting for an upgrade to the Nexus 5 for years and Google have blown it with this crazy price. :crying:
I bet the pixel won't even run as well as the Nexus 5 in the good old days of kit kat and for double the price. WTF, Google. Apart from doze, it's all been down hill since kit kat.

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I totally agree. I've been waiting for an upgrade to the Nexus 5 for years and Google have blown it with this crazy price. :crying:
I bet the pixel won't even run as well as the Nexus 5 in the good old days of kit kat and for double the price. WTF, Google. Apart from doze, it's all been down hill since kit kat.
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You'll love the 5X if you are coming from the Nexus 5 (Specially because of the Fingerprint sensor). But I must confess the only cons is the RAM. Nexus 5 have much more free ram because it's android x86. The 5X consumes much more ram and, hence, it redraws more apps.
Also, the hi frequency of the cores in the N5 sometimes gives a good boost of performance, but that's more personal, and I still prefer 5X's SoC, because the 5's SoC used to thermal throttle and decrease performance often in summer.

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You'll love the 5X if you are coming from the Nexus 5 (Specially because of the Fingerprint sensor). But I must confess the only cons is the RAM. Nexus 5 have much more free ram because it's android x86. The 5X consumes much more ram and, hence, it redraws more apps.
Also, the hi frequency of the cores in the N5 sometimes gives a good boost of performance, but that's more personal, and I still prefer 5X's SoC, because the 5's SoC used to thermal throttle and decrease performance often in summer.
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I was burnt by the low ram on the Nexus 9 so I'm giving the 5x a miss. It will be the one plus 3 or a Nexus 6p if I see one at the right price. Thanks for the suggestion seb. :highfive:

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You'll love the 5X if you are coming from the Nexus 5 (Specially because of the Fingerprint sensor). But I must confess the only cons is the RAM. Nexus 5 have much more free ram because it's android x86. The 5X consumes much more ram and, hence, it redraws more apps.
Also, the hi frequency of the cores in the N5 sometimes gives a good boost of performance, but that's more personal, and I still prefer 5X's SoC, because the 5's SoC used to thermal throttle and decrease performance often in summer.
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N5 is not x86 its arm.

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N5 is not x86 its arm.
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Here in Germany it starts at 759,00 € or $851.37.
I think it would be cheaper to buy it in the US and pay the taxes.

Bummer that the pixel is so expensive. On the other hand though, Google allows you to finance the phone so I MAY do that. $649 up front is too much, but $27/month is fine.
I'm very interested in the new google assistant because I use google now a lot. Also, I use google photos as well so the free unlimited storage is very enticing.

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Bummer that the pixel is so expensive. On the other hand though, Google allows you to finance the phone so I MAY do that. $649 up front is too much, but $27/month is fine.
I'm very interested in the new google assistant because I use google now a lot. Also, I use google photos as well so the free unlimited storage is very enticing.
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It doesn't look like you can do the financing option in the UK yet.
For anyone in a location in which the financing option is available is it possible to upgrade after a year? One nice thing about the Apple upgrade program is that even though it is a 2 year agreement you can upgrade every year provided you return your old phone in good condition which shouldn't be too hard as it includes accidental damage cover.
Obviously if you only upgrade your phone once every 2 years either would be fine, but I'm a bit worried Google will actually work out twice as expensive as owning an Apple device if you upgrade each year...

$$$ no way Jose
Bought the wife a 5x on sale 6 weeks ago for $199 shipped (new)
I've had a nexus 5 since release in 2013.
Was chomping at the bit for the new Google phone.
Was hoping no more than $499, nope.
So bought a moto g4 plus yesterday for $249.
Only 2 gigs ram and 16 gig storage but has an sd card slot.
Much better looking display than the 5x. 3000 mah battery.
Unless you need a lot of ram for gaming or whatever the moto is a good choice.

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It doesn't look like you can do the financing option in the UK yet.
For anyone in a location in which the financing option is available is it possible to upgrade after a year? One nice thing about the Apple upgrade program is that even though it is a 2 year agreement you can upgrade every year provided you return your old phone in good condition which shouldn't be too hard as it includes accidental damage cover.
Obviously if you only upgrade your phone once every 2 years either would be fine, but I'm a bit worried Google will actually work out twice as expensive as owning an Apple device if you upgrade each year...
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My EXACT thoughts, as well. I recently made the switch away from Android for the first time to see what all the fuss was about with the iPhone 7. So far, I must admit that I am very pleased with the phone. Especially with how seamless it is with my Mac. But I was still anticipating the Pixel launch to see what Google had to offer. The phone itself looks great. But what you mentioned above is the big thing preventing me from returning the iPhone and getting the Pixel phone. With the iPhone, I'm locked in for two years but when the new one comes out next year I just take this one into the Apple store and walk out with the new one. It's a really great concept.
I'm afraid you are right about Google. I imagine if they were going to have an upgrade program, they would have announced it when discussing pricing to help justify the extremely high price point. Without that and with the resale value of these phones being about 50% 12 months after purchasing (based off what I've seen from the recent Nexus phones), the total cost to upgrade to the new Google phone every year just skyrocketed compared to what it used to be with the sub $450 nexus phones.
Because of this I'm having a very hard time trying to justify picking one up. Which is sad considering this will now be the first Nexus (i know... "Pixel") I haven't purchased after initial release.
EDIT: After wasting my afternoon reading tons of articles about the phone and watching the first few "hands on" videos, I decided to bite the bullet and purchase the 5" Pixel (Black, 128GB version). I have 3 more days to return my iPhone 7 for a full refund so it was either do it now or face the possibility of regret and be stuck with this $850 iPhone.
I still think the Pixel is overpriced but it does look to be an extremely solid phone. And I opted for the 128GB version to give myself a little future proofing. I'm planning on holding onto the Pixel for 2 years this time around, rather than making a quick phone jump again next year. This mindset helped me justify the price. Hopefully I can stick to that plan.

The pixel is so average, it has nothing my £300 OnePlus 3 doesn't have. Google's phone is overpriced and about as naff as their new bull**** chat app, Allo. Not impressed. Sub par. And those prices? Google has shot right up the ranks of overpriced **** to join Apple and Samsung. Ludicrous.

another thing I want to mention: Google spoke all the time about how Hardware and Software works together in this phone, especially with the Google assistant but hell, we all know that the assistant has nothing to do with hardware. It's just Android 7.1 and exclusivnes. Plus most of the talked about 'features' were just apps you can get in the playstore.
Another thing: if I buy an iPhone for the same price, I kind of know that I can sell it after like 11month for about 75% of the original price. NOT so with the pixel plus Apple provides the longest software updates. Just remember how freacking long the iPhone 4 was supported..!!
I am happy if my upcoming 5x would get fully featured Android 8. Even now when Android 7.1 seems ready they said that first betas can be expected by the end of the year..??!

I'd suggest the honor 8 if you want a one handed phone that's cheap and great quality
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trsix said:
Bought the wife a 5x on sale 6 weeks ago for $199 shipped (new)
I've had a nexus 5 since release in 2013.
Was chomping at the bit for the new Google phone.
Was hoping no more than $499, nope.
So bought a moto g4 plus yesterday for $249.
Only 2 gigs ram and 16 gig storage but has an sd card slot.
Much better looking display than the 5x. 3000 mah battery.
Unless you need a lot of ram for gaming or whatever the moto is a good choice.
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Me too, bought the Moto G4 Plus for 266 euro`s a week ago and its working perfect for me and has a front firing speaker. I`am never paying more then 400 euro`s tops for a phone again

Everyone moans about the price. No shet its expensive. Its got the latest and greatest hardware in
Same in computing, same in cars
I hate apple with a passion but they do make well put together phones. If this is anything like that of be happy to shell out
Hardly any android phones feel premium. Only one that comes close is the s7edge but that's just because of the screen (which is pretty pointless)
Jesus Christ
Even if you compared stuff like ram I guarantee the ram in the pixel is faster than anything else out all for about a month lol

rosswaa said:
Everyone moans about the price. No shet its expensive. Its got the latest and greatest hardware in
Same in computing, same in cars
I hate apple with a passion but they do make well put together phones. If this is anything like that of be happy to shell out
Hardly any android phones feel premium. Only one that comes close is the s7edge but that's just because of the screen (which is pretty pointless)
Jesus Christ
Even if you compared stuff like ram I guarantee the ram in the pixel is faster than anything else out all for about a month lol
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Nexus was never about premium feel. It was nexus just like an iphone is iphone. It was for people who wanted more from their device, who liked to tinker it, play with it. In short having a nexus meant you own your device and at affordable price.
Now with newer, pricier and premium pixel, they may hit new customers who like premium devices, people who change phones faster than seasons change, but they lost their fan base, tinkerers, developers. Most of them are students, young part time workers.
I feel pixel is just an iphone made by google and i m hugely disappointed. It may offer a great experience for user but as an android enthusiast, I don't see it's worth of that much money.

I was really interested in replacing my Honor 6 within the next months, but honestly, with those prices, I think I'll either stick with it, or go buying the Honor 8....
Sorry Google, but this is just too overpriced to be a *good* phone.

Any recommendations for 5" pixel substitute? I need something unlocked but can't don't want to carry anything larger than 5.
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Sorry Google, but this is just too overpriced to be a *good* phone.
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This sentence doesn't make any sense. The price has nothing to do with whether or not it is a "good" phone.
Quite frankly, the more I think about it, the more comfortable I am with the increased pricing. Over the years the Nexus sections of XDA have become overly saturated with kids whose parents bought their ~$350 phones for them and then they flood the Nexus sub-forums expecting to be spoon-fed everything without trying to learn things themselves from the plethora of guides and helpful posts readily available to them. All while refusing to contribute anything worthwhile to the community. It's gotten so bad that spending time in the Nexus forums has me wondering why I even bother anymore. Many developers have expressed the same feelings.
I'm really hoping the increased pricing of the Pixel phones will help keep the kids away and allow the Pixel forums to remain clean and full of people who actually like to contribute. Similar to how it was back in the early Nexus days.

Htc 10 Upgrading to Pixel? Anyone

Anyone getting the Pixel, upgrading from HTC 10? I am a rooted HTC10 Verizon phone user. Just wanting to see if anyone else is contemplating on getting the Pixel, if so the Google or Verizon version?

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Anyone getting the Pixel, upgrading from HTC 10? I am a rooted HTC10 Verizon phone user. Just wanting to see if anyone else is contemplating on getting the Pixel, if so the Google or Verizon version?
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Nope. Downgrade IMHO. Price point sucks.
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Nope. Downgrade IMHO. Price point sucks.
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I have to agree with this. I'm still using my M8 and held out to see what Nexus/Pixel brought, but for the price I'm going to get a used HTC 10 instead. I have always liked HTC since the M7 and nothing on the pixel seemed to pull me away. And then there's the price.
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Not an upgrade IMO. I'm sticking with the 10.
No SD card, also no wireless charging, ugly back, fingerprint on the back (forcing a hole in the case), maybe better camera, but not much.
No good reason to switch.
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Thanks for the opinions - that's basically how I feel

Ditto with the statements above. The only thing I'd love over the HTC 10 is the slightly smaller size of the Pixel and built in 128gb of storage (Still having SD card issues on my 10).
Considering I took advantage of the $100 promo right when the device came out in addition to a promo that gave me $300 for my old Turbo I only ended up paying $250 for the 10. Can't even get close to that for the Pixel.
Once Google puts their own custom SoCs aboard the Pixels....they'll have all my money.

Agree with everyone else observing that a 10 to a Pixel is a downgrade. I have a 200gb sdcard in my 10; it's easily rooted via Sunshine, running all my preferred mods via Magisk and Xposed and I have no desire to tinker with perfection for a bigger handset with smaller specs.

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Anyone getting the Pixel, upgrading from HTC 10? I am a rooted HTC10 Verizon phone user. Just wanting to see if anyone else is contemplating on getting the Pixel, if so the Google or Verizon version?
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I am also Verizon HTC 10 user and yes, I am very happy with my phone.
But in future, if I have to buy a new phone even then I am not going buy Google Pixel XL. The only thing I like in Google Pixel XL is its camera quality. I don't know about other countries but in India Google Pixel XL is very expensive. For me, buying Google Pixel XL is definitely not a good move

I got one yesterday at the local Verizon store. It seems like a pretty nice phone. I like the build quality. The camera auto-focus seems hit-or-miss - that's a huge disappointment to me. Overall I prefer (and am still using) the HTC 10 as my main phone.
FWIW, I would never buy a phone as expensive as the Pixel with my own money. I got the smaller screen with the smaller memory capacity and it was still over $700 US. Lucky for me the company I work for paid for it.
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I checked out and had a play with both Pixel and Pixel xl a few days ago at JB Hifi. Although I liked the Google assist and great camera, the price couldn't be justified, especially here in Australia $1419 [USD $1080] for the 128gb XL version. I love my HTC 10, a great smartphone, and will stay with this for a while. Maybe when the market adjusts by Christmas or after New Years, the price will come down hundreds of dollars, as Pixel will be old news by then, until they launch their new version. As PocketNow stated, Pixel is quite boring from an aesthetic point of view.
Ps. Telstra carrier has exclusivity with Pixel and Pixel XL, and I can't stand their lying customer service so I'll never use their service again personally. JB Hifi sells them, but no deals atm.
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Nope...i get why Google would want to come out with something like the Pixel. It basically follows the Apple's strategy with the iPhone...which, whether you hate iPhones or not, is a business model that equals high profits. Its just that if they had taken this approach a long time ago they would actually have something. These days though, the Android market is too saturated with quality phones @ low prices for the Pixel to gain any traction

chrisz5z said:
Nope...i get why Google would want to come out with something like the Pixel. It basically follows the Apple's strategy with the iPhone...which, whether you hate iPhones or not, is a business model that equals high profits. Its just that if they had taken this approach a long time ago they would actually have something. These days though, the Android market is too saturated with quality phones @ low prices for the Pixel to gain any traction
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I agree, and I looked at a display model pixel xl at a verizon corporate store and honestly holding it, it feels cheaply made in my hand compared to my unlocked Htc 10. My Htc 10 feels more rigid and solid, like it is made of aluminum and the pixel xl in my hand feels like its plastic, I mean like there is basically nothing to it. To me you go too small and light weight and it can make it feel cheap and weak.
Anyone feel that way holding a pixel xl compared to your Htc 10 ?

M9guy said:
I agree, and I looked at a display model pixel xl at a verizon corporate store and honestly holding it, it feels cheaply made in my hand compared to my unlocked Htc 10. My Htc 10 feels more rigid and solid, like it is made of aluminum and the pixel xl in my hand feels like its plastic, I mean like there is basically nothing to it. To me you go too small and light weight and it can make it feel cheap and weak.
Anyone feel that way holding a pixel xl compared to your Htc 10 ?
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I held both and don't necessarily agree. The 10 is definitely heavier, but it doesn't necessarily feel like it's more "solidly built." I don't like rear fingerprint scanners (have it on the One Max). The Pixel is definitely more slim, sorta like the A9. That could appeal to some.

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I held both and don't necessarily agree. The 10 is definitely heavier, but it doesn't necessarily feel like it's more "solidly built." I don't like rear fingerprint scanners (have it on the One Max). The Pixel is definitely more slim, sorta like the A9. That could appeal to some.
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To me the Htc 10 feels stronger. The pixel xl felt really light compared to it and it just felt weaker. If they do a bend test on a pixel xl as they did the Htc 10 I bet its no where near as rigid as the 10. I went a head and bought one any way, but it will definitely go in to a nice sturdy case but I definitely would never use one without a case. I think the less weight of the pixel xl compared to the Htc 10 is they either made the aluminum case thinner or the used less metal inside, and the pixel xl is even a bigger phone, so I definitely would recommend a strong sturdy case to everyone using a pixel xl. But I guess to the masses lighter is better. I just also felt the pixel xl in my hand really seemed so light like it might not want to stay in your hand as well but maybe that is just me being use to the beefier Htc 10.

I think we can all agree that the specs just don't warrant the price premium. A quick check on Swappa is showing as some used 10's going for $375. If you have to have Verizon this is the best phone (price wise) we can get. If the One Plus 3 worked with Verizon it might be a different story.

I pulled the trigger on a verizon pixel xl. It went against my better judgment, because of no sd card slot, no dual speakers, the fingerprint scanner on the back hate that put it on the front like the Htc 10, then there is the fact that its not as rigid as the 10. I got it because of the bigger screen and the quicker updates.
I purchased from Best buy and I got a $200 best buy gift card. Actually it came the following day after I ordered on their web site, via email. I also got a free chromecast.
If Htc made a bigger screen 10 plus and a dev edition or google play edition that got quick updates then I would have bought it but since Htc's m7 max fiasco they wont make another phablet for here. I have no problem with Htc sense and I like Htc products as they are the best built phones. Hopefully next spring the Htc 11 has a plus model with a 5.7 or 5.9 screen and get the dev or google play fast updates like lets say with in 2 weeks of google releasing system updates, just something way better than 90 days. If they release the dev or gp models they can have updates out with in 2 weeks as its pure stock android. I just want quick updates.
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pjd2011 said:
I think we can all agree that the specs just don't warrant the price premium. A quick check on Swappa is showing as some used 10's going for $375. If you have to have Verizon this is the best phone (price wise) we can get. If the One Plus 3 worked with Verizon it might be a different story.
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You can purchase from Best buy like I did and I got a $200 best buy gift card. Actually it came the following day after I ordered on their web site, via email. I also got a free chromecast.

pjd2011 said:
I think we can all agree that the specs just don't warrant the price premium. A quick check on Swappa is showing as some used 10's going for $375. If you have to have Verizon this is the best phone (price wise) we can get. If the One Plus 3 worked with Verizon it might be a different story.
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This is exactly what made my decision. I was on the M8 and waited until after the Pixel was announced to make my choice. I ended up buying a used HTC 10 for $375 (ironically) and I love it! Most of the posts here agreed that the Pixel wasn't enough of an upgrade over the 10 to justify the price and so I figured why not.
Now I have not even seen a Pixel in person yet so I really can't compare, but I know I'm happy with my M8 to 10 transition.
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Don't really see the point in spending hundreds on another 2016 flagship when you already have a 2016 flagship. You'll have more of a difference saving that money and getting a 2017 flagship.
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Anyone getting the Pixel, upgrading from HTC 10? I am a rooted HTC10 Verizon phone user. Just wanting to see if anyone else is contemplating on getting the Pixel, if so the Google or Verizon version?
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I was considering it, but then CM 13 came out, so I could satisfy my desire for a stock android feel. CM 13 is actually surprisingly stable for what I need it for, and Android N-ify is fully functional, so I had no problem with not have Nougat either.

Well- I grabbed a 32gb Silver for $480 from a guy here - I am testing it this weekend - already rooted and Hotspot working - I will see how I like it - thought it was a good deal so WHY NOT. Still Love my HTC but I run with this for a bit and see how it compares

DISCUSSION how is the price going down on swappa?

I was trying to sell one pixel 2 xl on swappa and the prices are going crazy low. How are all these people selling new 128 GB for just $700ish range ? The phone isn't really that old yet.

Verizon's running a $300 off on it.

I'm noticing the same thing. I considered selling my 2 XL and picking up a OnePlus 5T. When I took a look at pricing on SWAPPA I was very surprised to see the current prices people are selling the phone for. Previously, the Nexus/Pixel line-up held their value much better than what I'm seeing with the current 2 XL. It's sad but I think it can be chalked up to all the bad publicity this phone keeps receiving. Talk of these issues is seemingly more widespread than I thought.
For instance, on Christmas day a family member was checking out my phone and even though he is not a tech guy by any means, even he brought up the screen burn-in issues as well as the speaker buzzing noise issues. It threw me off, to be honest. Especially considering that this is a guy who never researches phones and has stuck with the Galaxy phone line-up simply because I recommended it to him like 3 years ago.
There is a reason why both Google and the carriers have already dropped the price. It sucks and it's directly affecting resale value.
On the plus side, I've experienced no issues with my device and it's the best phone I've ever owned. So this is just a good nudge for me to hold onto it and enjoy it longer, rather than making a jump to something else and inevitably regretting it.

Add to this, the starting prices were up there with the iPhone X and Samsung Note 8! Previously Nexus phones were a good bit cheaper than the highest premium phones...this is why they were able to hold value longer.

True. Personally, I don't consider Verizon to be a viable option because it is locked down. It equates to a regular Samsung phone at this point that is locked, but that is not what everyone thinks.
What really gets me is the price. Google did not do any price drops, they just did the holiday specials which was like 50 or 75 bucks.
But on swappa some people are selling the 128 for about 700 bucks. I don't know how they're getting the phones so cheap to sell them for that price. I hope the phone doesn't end up being like the essential phone what the pricing

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True. Personally, I don't consider Verizon to be a viable option because it is locked down. It equates to a regular Samsung phone at this point that is locked, but that is not what everyone thinks.
What really gets me is the price. Google did not do any price drops, they just did the holiday specials which was like 50 or 75 bucks.
But on swappa some people are selling the 128 for about 700 bucks. I don't know how they're getting the phones so cheap to sell them for that price. I hope the phone doesn't end up being like the essential phone what the pricing
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Touchwiz on a Sammy device is not quite the same as having a Google device, whether or not you bl unlock, but that's just me. Anyway, they are selling for closer to $800 new or mint. On the Google store you can get a brand new one for about $875. But perhaps you are forgetting about the trade in too. I can trade in my old Pixel and get another $300+ off that price. So I really don't think it has lost as much value as you suspect. And as for the Verizon branded one I paid $350 on BF (Pixel XL) with no trade in. If I sold it for $650 and used my old Pixel for another year I just netted close to 3 hundred. Personally, I think we're doing ok so far. Let's see in 6 months, however.

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Touchwiz on a Sammy device is not quite the same as having a Google device, whether or not you bl unlock, but that's just me. Anyway, they are selling for closer to $800 new or mint. On the Google store you can get a brand new one for about $875. But perhaps you are forgetting about the trade in too. I can trade in my old Pixel and get another $300+ off that price. So I really don't think it has lost as much value as you suspect. And as for the Verizon branded one I paid $350 on BF (Pixel XL) with no trade in. If I sold it for $650 and used my old Pixel for another year I just netted close to 3 hundred. Personally, I think we're doing ok so far. Let's see in 6 months, however.
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True. I am hoping it doesn't plunge down..I just think the google one should and would hold the price against the Verizon one. It's like in the old days, Verizon and att phones had lower prices used than the T-Mobile ones because of the unlocked bl stuff.
Maybe I am just mad that since the pixel XL last year held up the price value well for a few months and didn't really drop dramatically except when the pixel 2 s were announced.

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True. I am hoping it doesn't plunge down..I just think the google one should and would hold the price against the Verizon one. It's like in the old days, Verizon and att phones had lower prices used than the T-Mobile ones because of the unlocked bl stuff.
Maybe I am just mad that since the pixel XL last year held up the price value well for a few months and didn't really drop dramatically except when the pixel 2 s were announced.
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As for last year you really can't compare, unfortunately. Google didn't give 5 cents off the Pixel or the XL even on black Friday. Verizon had one day, and that was BF, that they gave a tremendous deal of $10 / month and $15 for the XL for 24 months. That was it! Eventually they had a lame trade in deal but nothing from Google. This year is way different. There is really no reason to be spending more than 4 or 5 hundred for any of the devices with trade in at Google and VZW. I mean I believe that VZW even has a $300 off with no trade in! But then you're locked into them for 2 years and no bl unlock. So I believe that the price will not drop past the 6 or 7 number for some time. But I've been wrong once or twice..

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Touchwiz on a Sammy device is not quite the same as having a Google device, whether or not you bl unlock, but that's just me. Anyway, they are selling for closer to $800 new or mint. On the Google store you can get a brand new one for about $875. But perhaps you are forgetting about the trade in too. I can trade in my old Pixel and get another $300+ off that price. So I really don't think it has lost as much value as you suspect. And as for the Verizon branded one I paid $350 on BF (Pixel XL) with no trade in. If I sold it for $650 and used my old Pixel for another year I just netted close to 3 hundred. Personally, I think we're doing ok so far. Let's see in 6 months, however.
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Touchwiz has come a long way imo. The note 8 is a beast and it runs touchwiz, it junk back on like S3 & S4 but now it is great!
Also the pixel has $300+ off but I got $425 off my note 8 and had it the day it was released thanks to a preorder! I think I was like $570 ish for the note 8 out the door and shipped so the $300 off for the pixel seems quite small now! Let's see what it is in 6 months glad I sent my first few pixels back and got the newer $75 off savings!

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Touchwiz has come a long way imo. The note 8 is a beast and it runs touchwiz, it junk back on like S3 & S4 but now it is great!
Also the pixel has $300+ off but I got $425 off my note 8 and had it the day it was released thanks to a preorder! I think I was like $570 ish for the note 8 out the door and shipped so the $300 off for the pixel seems quite small now! Let's see what it is in 6 months glad I sent my first few pixels back and got the newer $75 off savings!
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I've gotta agree with this. I was pleasantly surprised with the Touchwiz UI on my Galaxy S8. It never stuttered or lagged and was just as fast as my previous Pixel XL and current Pixel 2 XL. Touchwiz really has come a long way. The same cannot be said for the LG V30, however. LG's skin on that phone is absolutely horrible. It lags/stutters/hangs constantly and no matter how many LG apps you disable, it doesn't fix it.
If LG would have just refrained from touching the OS on that phone and left it with stock Android, I never would have bought my 2 XL to begin with. Such a sad let down. The V30 is just collecting dust on my office shelf. I need to take it back to T-Mobile but I keep forgetting about it.

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Touchwiz has come a long way imo. The note 8 is a beast and it runs touchwiz, it junk back on like S3 & S4 but now it is great!
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I'd agree with this as well. My last Samsung device was the GS7 Edge and I was quite impressed. The performance was great and while not quite as fluid as the Pixel, was very consistent and stable, never slowing down over time. I think Samsung's kitchen sink approach from years past has paid off in the sense that the software additions they've kept are generally pretty useful and thoughtful additions not available in the pure Android experience.

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I've gotta agree with this. I was pleasantly surprised with the Touchwiz UI on my Galaxy S8. It never stuttered or lagged and was just as fast as my previous Pixel XL and current Pixel 2 XL. Touchwiz really has come a long way. The same cannot be said for the LG V30, however. LG's skin on that phone is absolutely horrible. It lags/stutters/hangs constantly and no matter how many LG apps you disable, it doesn't fix it.
If LG would have just refrained from touching the OS on that phone and left it with stock Android, I never would have bought my 2 XL to begin with. Such a sad let down. The V30 is just collecting dust on my office shelf. I need to take it back to T-Mobile but I keep forgetting about it.
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Oh man the LG phone software dept is need of a revamp. It has been awful! I had a G4, G5, & G6 and literally could only use for a few days it was so bad!
I agree they have good hardware but their software is just plain awful! Send the v30 to me I'll test on Verizon!!
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I'd agree with this as well. My last Samsung device was the GS7 Edge and I was quite impressed. The performance was great and while not quite as fluid as the Pixel, was very consistent and stable, never slowing down over time. I think Samsung's kitchen sink approach from years past has paid off in the sense that the software additions they've kept are generally pretty useful and thoughtful additions not available in the pure Android experience.
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Yeah you should try the s8 or note 8. They are extremely fluid compared to the pixel not quite as fluid but very very close. Also the extra ram in note is helpful especially with the kitchen sink approach
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oneandroidnut said:
I agree they have good hardware but their software is just plain awful! Send the v30 to me I'll test on Verizon!!
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I would but I've got it on my JUMP-On Demand program so I need to keep it to trade in on something else, at some point. I'm considering trading it in for the iPhone X to mess with for a while.

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I would but I've got it on my JUMP-On Demand program so I need to keep it to trade in on something else, at some point. I'm considering trading it in for the iPhone X to mess with for a while.
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Man I wouldn't. The Iphone X is so small and weird UI imo the swipe thing is odd, the notch is odd, no fingerprint is odd and then small screen. Just get note 8 and be done!

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Man I wouldn't. The Iphone X is so small and weird UI imo the swipe thing is odd, the notch is odd, no fingerprint is odd and then small screen. Just get note 8 and be done!
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Eh, I'd prefer to turn the V30 in for nothing in return but then I'd lose my JUMP On-Demand. So I'll probably just trade the V30 in on a super cheap $5/month phone to have as a back-up, just in case.

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Eh, I'd prefer to turn the V30 in for nothing in return but then I'd lose my JUMP On-Demand. So I'll probably just trade the V30 in on a super cheap $5/month phone to have as a back-up, just in case.
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Why are you against the note? Lol
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Why are you against the note? Lol
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Not against the note. I've just decided to hold on to the 2 XL because it's been great. I just need a cheap phone to keep my JUMP On-Demand program with TMobile. No sense in paying $30/month for the note to just throw it in a drawer.

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Not against the note. I've just decided to hold on to the 2 XL because it's been great. I just need a cheap phone to keep my JUMP On-Demand program with TMobile. No sense in paying $30/month for the note to just throw it in a drawer.
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I see. I think the note & pixel combo is going to be hard to beat. That's what I'm going to be switching between
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I see. I think the note & pixel combo is going to be hard to beat. That's what I'm going to be switching between
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If I traveled more for work I'd probably get the note 8 to have the stylus, allowing me to be more productive with my phone on the go.
It's definitely something I may start considering, actually.

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If I traveled more for work I'd probably get the note 8 to have the stylus, allowing me to be more productive with my phone on the go.
It's definitely something I may start considering, actually.
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I mean I don't travel on the road but I love almost everything about phone except just slightly too tall and fingerprint sensor placement. I use pen to keep screen clean if hands are dirty etc
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