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The Mi 5s lacks of OIS

What do you think about that? Is that really important? My hands are very shaky tough, I have a z1 compact now, and I can't really get clear photos at night.

G4B33 said:
What do you think about that? Is that really important? My hands are very shaky tough, I have a z1 compact now, and I can't really get clear photos at night.
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I have the original MI 5 and now I can't imagine life without OIS....
Night pictures are significantly better, video shooting, when held by hand is better, and overall photo blurriness is lower.
However the dual cameras have some advantages too, like on the huawei P9, but as seen on the redmi pro, xiaomi hasn't done much to make the second camera count...
The MI 5s is a better phone than the MI5 as hardware goes, but imho the dual camera setup is just a gimmick for now

Why would they omitt ois on the regular 5s? So the mi5 had it?

Mi5 regular has it yes

Are you 100% sure, the normal 5s (not the 5s plus) lacks OIS?

paul1508 said:
Are you 100% sure, the normal 5s (not the 5s plus) lacks OIS?
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Let's just say 99.9% :crying:

paul1508 said:
Are you 100% sure, the normal 5s (not the 5s plus) lacks OIS?
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100% no OIS

It have electronic image stabilization like the google pixel: http://en.miui.com/thread-376042-1-1.html

myseg said:
...but imho the dual camera setup is just a gimmick for now
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I wouldn't completely agree on this. The combination of colour and BW sensor produces better night time photos, as BW sensor is much more sensitive and when combined with colour info from the other sensor it can produce a better overall image in challenging lighting conditions. If they've implemented photo app as they should, results should actually be better.

jlmcr87 said:
It have electronic image stabilization like the google pixel
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What's interesting is that Google Pixel with the same IMX378 (without OIS) competes with the iPhone 7, thanks to its software engine. I am thinking... it could be possible to import their engine to mi5S? It's something like camera app related or deeper?

If you want good 4k video it's a deal breaker. I have the Mi5S and made a comparison against a S6 Edge+
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su6ldDSR47o

Your video is very impressive !! I had almost bought it and now I don't know what to do ! Maybe the Axon 7 ...
Thank you !!

Kant1 said:
Your video is very impressive !! I had almost bought it and now I don't know what to do ! Maybe the Axon 7 ...
Thank you !!
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Comparing it side to side one sees the difference, but looking at just MI5S it seems good just as well. I wouldn't worry too much. 5s uses Sony's sensor. A very good one.
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It depends if you make video in 4k or 2k. In 2k you have electrical image stabilizer (EIS) working, which is a help. In 4k you don't have it though. For photos it's also disabled.
As the Mi 5s (currently) runs on android 6 and the google Pixel on 7.1, there is no chance to port to image engine at the moment. Only time will tell if that changes in the future.

This is a deal breaker for me.
I really thought I found the perfect phone.
But seeing how shaky videos are, IDK what to do now...
In my country, the 5s is about 350e, it's new, not many are selling it yet.
But the 5 is about 260-280e and there are a few sellers.
I love the 1080p 120fps, but the lack of OIS on the 5s is killing me.
Should I get the regular Mi 5?
Should I just swallow the fact that the 5s doesn't have OIS?
I hear it's EIS but only for 1080p and only for video.
I've seen photos, I'm confident I won't mind in that area, but the 4k OIS, or lack of...
Do you guys think I'm making this too much of a problem when it's really not?
I was searching for the perfect phone that was also not too expensive. That doesn't charge for the name.
This is really making me sad... Almost had it.

Do you even have something that can play and display 4k videos? I don't, so I don't make any 4k videos in any case.

patoberli said:
Do you even have something that can play and display 4k videos? I don't, so I don't make any 4k videos in any case.
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I do...
LG 4k OLED.
I paid big money for it. Would hate to see shaky video on such a nice TV.
Imagine sitting down with someone, watching videos from travelling or something, and seeing how shaky your phone camera is...
When I spend big money on electronics, I expect them to provide good quality.
However, I dislike spending money on brand name. That's why I don't want to spend x2 more on a phone by Samsung, or similar.
Xiaomi is 1 of those brands that doesn't really make you pay for the name.
My TV is different, since, when I bought it, it was 1 of a kind. Truly outstanding quality. OLED was exclusive to LG.
Also, my monitor is 4k.
That's why this is a deal breaker for me. The lack of OIS on Mi 5s.
And that's why I'm really torn apart, whether to get the Mi 5. It's older phone, but the CPU isn't that big of a difference. It's like 5% difference on energy savings.
However, the bigger pixel size, looks to be good and photos are better, even without OIS and even in low light, on the Mi 5s.
Still don't know what to do.

I anyway wouldn't film with my mobile, for that I have a camera which also has built in zoom function But I know what you mean.
The Mi 5 is also a good phone, also it's only a bit older than 7 months, which is still very new. You might want to check out the new Oneplus 3T or Meizu phones, maybe they have an OIS.

patoberli said:
Do you even have something that can play and display 4k videos? I don't, so I don't make any 4k videos in any case.
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I feel the same, I'm happy with 2K EIS.
Maybe a clever Dev will find a way to unlock EIS on 4K, it sounds very possible.
I feel many people are waiting for the grey version to become available again, once they have shipped we should see more development for this device.

BPSoft said:
What's interesting is that Google Pixel with the same IMX378 (without OIS) competes with the iPhone 7, thanks to its software engine. I am thinking... it could be possible to import their engine to mi5S? It's something like camera app related or deeper?
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That would be awesome. Google Pixel's estabilization is incredible.

Camera is quite capable, the MIUI camera is the weak link.

Here's some shots taken with a 3rd party app called Snap Camera. Enjoy!

Hmm limited file size attachments. Here are links to the originals!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx_9X4Ugo_yaUWZvek1BM1R0TUU/view?usp=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx_9X4Ugo_yaMkx3VnFDYkoyYXM/view?usp=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx_9X4Ugo_yaTGgxTVU4QXVGWjA/view?usp=drivesdk

I put Google camera and open camera on mine and while they seem better both are somewhat slow to auto focus and snap oic. For a camera on phone to me that quick snap is important. May try the one you mentioned to see if better.
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SWBgHz said:
I put Google camera and open camera on mine and while they seem better both are somewhat slow to auto focus and snap oic. For a camera on phone to me that quick snap is important. May try the one you mentioned to see if better.
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It has zero shutter lag, instant photos, really recommend it. Let me know if you want my settings! I'm not 100% sure but It may be a paid app, i think i'd purchased it sometime in the past.
Edit - Tried Open Camera - not very good output, couldn't get Google Camera to work for some reason.. Snap Camera is definitely the best I've seen so far.

Paulrgod,
Thank you so much for this post. What a difference snap makes. No focus breathing and stabilization built in. Huge win as the camera is so important to me as it is my daily picture taker for my family and the biggest concern for this phone...but not any more.
Thanks again!

No problem, happy to help.
I took some photos of my son playing in the living room the other day and it was awful, unacceptable quality really.
So I decided to see if any other apps would make a difference. The quality of the photos I posted above were better quality than comparison shots I took on my Note 5!
Still struggling in low light a bit though, but I've found keeping the ISO in check, set at 400 / 800 the shots are acceptable, but can be difficult getting it to take the shot.

Those shots are extremely noisy, lacking detail and soft ... they just feature heavy post processing (by the app) to make it more attractive to the average punter - saturation, contrast and smoothing. The camera absolutely isn't capable. In fact, many phones of similar price have better selfie sensors than this phone does main camera ...

Well someone's a bit grumpy. Did you click the links to see the full versions? The attachments in the first post are poor due to size rrestrictions. I'm quite happy with them actually.
They came out better than compatible shots taken at the same time on my Note 5.

Kinda hilarious that an app can do a better job than the phone manufacturer's own software.

I tried Snap camera too, but A Better Camera does better in terms of instant focus, or just it seemed to me
3rd party cams also do better in WB and details.

The camera is absolutely horrendous.
I felt like I went back in time to 2009
I've been using the Samsung Note since it first launched.
The note 5 camera is excellent
The mi mix is profusely bad

CorruptedSanity said:
The camera is absolutely horrendous.
I felt like I went back in time to 2009
I've been using the Samsung Note since it first launched.
The note 5 camera is excellent
The mi mix is profusely bad
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It's a matter of perspective. I too ha a note 5 and yes, it's one of the best phone camera's, as well documented through the year the note 5 has been on the market. So, by that logic, nearly every other phone camera will be disappointing.
However, from my unscientific observation of the note 5, Mi Max (not Mi Mix) and Lenovo Phab 2 Pro, the Mix is better than the Max or Phab 2 Pro. Focus and processing is faster and moving targets can be captured with some resemblance to the image photographed.
Could be the SOC (Max and P2P are SD 652 while Mix is SD 821).
I am enjoying the phone, even though the camera is less than really good. I'm willing to trade the 6.4 inch screen and condensed body for the lesser camera.
Just one man's perspective.

audscott said:
It's a matter of perspective. I too ha a note 5 and yes, it's one of the best phone camera's, as well documented through the year the note 5 has been on the market. So, by that logic, nearly every other phone camera will be disappointing.
However, from my unscientific observation of the note 5, Mi Max (not Mi Mix) and Lenovo Phab 2 Pro, the Mix is better than the Max or Phab 2 Pro. Focus and processing is faster and moving targets can be captured with some resemblance to the image photographed.
Could be the SOC (Max and P2P are SD 652 while Mix is SD 821).
I am enjoying the phone, even though the camera is less than really good. I'm willing to trade the 6.4 inch screen and condensed body for the lesser camera.
Just one man's perspective.
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Couldn't agree more on the bolded part as an owner of the Note 5 and returned the Phab 2 Pro after less than a week of ownership. Phab 2 Pro could of been a nice phone if they didn't cut corners in certain areas. Then again its all subjective to ones opinion.
Regarding the camera, wished it was as good as Samsung phones but I've used the 6.4" screen more than I've taken pictures so I'm ok with the traded of.

Do you know if this 3rd parry camera is actually capturing a photo and processing it? Or just basically screenshoting the image on the screen like SnapChat does...
Also does it have HDR?

VeryCoolAlan said:
Do you know if this 3rd parry camera is actually capturing a photo and processing it? Or just basically screenshoting the image on the screen like SnapChat does...
Also does it have HDR?
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Definitely Capturing and processing the image. Yes it does HDR - of which you can customise a hell of a lot - exposure values, delays between shots etc..
I've never seen a camera app with as many settings as this actually.

I do photography as a serious hobby.
Mix camera has its strength and weakness. (Native app)
The colour balance is quite accurate most of the time but it definitely love to over saturate.
The auto focus is snappy enough.
The auto exposure is surprisingly good as well.
The low light is terrible but ALL phone sucks at it.
HDR works and they keep the effect to the lower end which I like. While pixel has super good HDR results, sometimes the effect is way over used.
I really like the sharpening level they choose. It feel just right (More on the soft side)
Overall I would say the biggest flaw is that it's unreliable. Occasionally the colours are just way over saturated, but hey that's why I have a camera

To anyone that is rooted and has enabled the Camera2 API (adding persist.camera.HAL3.enabled=1 to build.prop), give ProShot by Rise Up Games a try. Manual Camera by Geeky Devs Studio doesn't work when I mess with the shutter speed or ISO setting but ProShot does. Now both of these are paid but I'm sure you have Play Reward credit spare

I waited for MIUI 9 to see if it would bring an improvement in the camera application but now that I have it, I don't see any improvement. So I decided for now to use Snap Camera. Can someone tell me what would be the best settings to use Snap Camera in the MIX?

Is the Snap Camera app, better then the Google Camera app downloaded from the Oneplus 5 thread?

FIRST OnePlus 5T camera review by heise.de

https://m.heise.de/ct/artikel/OnePlus-5T-Keine-Zoom-Kamera-mehr-3887487.html
Heise.de is one very serious german tech site and they say that since other sites already broke the NDA they dont feel obliged to hold information back.
To make it short: camera does not get better, low light performance gets even worse.
Long version: The camera setup (still WITHOUT OIS!) will be 16+20 mp again BUT the 20 mp sensor this time won't work as telephoto lens. Also aperture changes from f/2.6 to also f/1.7 like the 16 mp main snapper. Pixel size of the 20 mp sensor stays at 1.0 um. This sensor will, despite its crazily small pixel size, automatically work as low light shooter when light levels drop below 3.5 lux, making pictures look even worse than with the 16 mp sensor.
The Software does NOT use both sensors to combine the picture information like it is the case for other phones. Thus, picture quality does not seem to improve compared to the OP 5.
My comment: This really doesnt seem to make any sense. Why not put in a sensor with bigger pixels if you want a lowlight specific unit? Why take one with even smaller pixels? Wtf!? Did they have too many of those crappy 20mp sensor left over? Or why not at least use both sensors to combine the two die pics? Or why not just use the fabulous sensor that the s8/pixel2 uses and put an OIS in it? This is so stupid oneplus, i just dont get it..
Furthermore: Usb will again be 2.0.
2015 all over again..
Also, unlike the introductionary text of this forum suggests, battery will be the same as the OP5, 3300 mah. Thus, endurance will be lower compared to the 5.
And the device will also feature face recognition to unlock.
What do you think?

This is kinda disappointing. I was kinda missing my OnePlus 5 going to the pixel 2xl because I really loved the feel and everything on the o5. I was also thinking I should have waited on the 5t and hope they made some small improvements to the camera. This seems like a bit if a downgrade. Battery life will still be really good but slightly worse. I don't see why they couldn't have fitted in a slightly larger battery

Finally get to review it
Finally got my new glasses and can check all of the new great features With these phones. It has been a while since I bought a smart phoneBut the one plus is something that I there are just way too expensive.

I wonder if it possible cross-device ROMs between OnePlus 5 & 5T.

ps000000 said:
I wonder if it possible cross-device ROMs between OnePlus 5 & 5T.
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I think it will be possible. Since the changes are similar like 3 and 3t. Lets see

yeah, for me the missing ois is a deal breaker. I planned to upgrade from my op3t but now i will keep it. Hopefully they will learn from it and add a camera with ois for the 6

GSMArena have some shots in their hands-on here.
If you zoom in and look at what it's done to the foliage in the first 2 shots you might wish you hadn't. This would be considered poor in a low-light shot, never mind outdoor daylight. I just hope that this is pre-pre-production software that they stupidly gave to a reviewer and not what they are planning on selling.

Maybe anybody has a acutal review of the camera of the Oppo R11s?
It should have the same camera configuration and software "magic".
Results should be an indication for the possible camera performance of the OP5T.
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GSMArena have some shots in their hands-on here.
If you zoom in and look at what it's done to the foliage in the first 2 shots you might wish you hadn't. This would be considered poor in a low-light shot, never mind outdoor daylight. I just hope that this is pre-pre-production software that they stupidly gave to a reviewer and not what they are planning on selling.
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Interesting. GSMarena comments on the lowlight pictures:
"We also went out for some night shots around the usual locations. We won't be passing any verdicts just yet, but the results look promising."

When they said the second camera would have f1.7 aperture (without probably mentioning the pixel size) I thought they would do something special to combine the result of both cameras and create nice pictures. I didn't expect that they only would use one of them....
OnePlus clearly doesn't know much about software photography, but they know a lot about marketing...

Furthermore: Usb will again be 2.0.
2015 all over again..
Seriously brah?

Also, unlike the introductionary text of this forum suggests, battery will be the same as the OP5, 3300 mah. Thus, endurance will be lower compared to the 5.
And the device will also feature face recognition to unlock.
What do you think?
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Well, the screen says 6.0 VS 5.5 But it's taller but thinner side to side. The total screen area should be the same or very close. I doubt enough to affect battery in any significant way. It's also a newer panel, so possibly more efficient than the old 5.5 which was a carryover from the previous OP.

The screen is not narrower but a lot longer so the real estate is quite bigger.
Its 136x68mm vs 122x68mm.

A few sites have mentioned the camera is a bit lackluster, but until we can get a good comparison between the 5 and 5T I'm not sure how to take these comments.
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Camera will be more powerfull if you install Google camera.

Martin.077 said:
Camera will be more powerfull if you install Google camera.
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i feel so too, on the op5 the difference is huge in low light conditions with the hdr+

Unfortunately there isnt a port that works properly. Either no touch to focus or other drawbacks

Lasersdude said:
Unfortunately there isnt a port that works properly. Either no touch to focus or other drawbacks
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And the microdots. It was too much of a hack for something I need to be reliable at least IMO.
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https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...ding-combination-of-specs-design-and-price/2/
https://m.gsmarena.com/oneplus_5t-review-1687p8.php
mario toys on arstech and low light comparison on gsm
5t looks better than 5 there

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https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...ding-combination-of-specs-design-and-price/2/
https://m.gsmarena.com/oneplus_5t-review-1687p8.php
mario toys on arstech and low light comparison on gsm
5t looks better than 5 there
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It is still producing oil paintings in daylight though.
Mind boggling that this is still not fixed! The sensor is capable to produce better photos but the processing...
https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/op5T-2.jpg
This issue is soo old by now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbn9Lj6F6EM
Someone needs to tell OnePlus that a little noise doesn't hurt as long as the photos come out sharp!

AcmE85 said:
This issue is soo old by now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbn9Lj6F6EM
Someone needs to tell OnePlus that a little noise doesn't hurt as long as the photos come out sharp!
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Ok so moving is never sharp, although with other camera apps?

Selfie quality

You're beautiful and everyone knows it. That's why you take selfies. Rate this thread to express how the front-facing camera of the Google Pixel 4a performs. A higher rating indicates that the front camera produces fantastic results consistently.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

I'm waiting for my preordered 4a to be shipped (Germany) and found that bad comment about the front camera. Is that true?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Pixel4a/comments/igctay/comment/g2thp0o
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Front camera: blurred/softened foreground and sharp/detailed background.
I'm not saying it's absolute trash or anything. It works and it can be okay if you find the right distance to hold the phone from your subjects, but it's pretty bad when you compare it to other Pixels not named with the "a" moniker.
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The Pixel 2 you can hold up at any angle and distance and click the shutter and everything is in focus. The 4a can't do that.
In terms of advertised specs, they're very similar. One difference is that the 4a has a larger aperture, which is good in terms of exposure—it can use faster shutter speeds, reducing blur due to camera shake in low lighting—but which also reduces the depth of field, exacerbating the limitations of a fixed-focus lens. I'm not sure this difference (f/2 vs f/2.4) is really enough to explain what people are seeing though.
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I'm waiting for my preordered 4a to be shipped (Germany) and found that bad comment about the front camera. Is that true?
https://www.reddit.com/r/Pixel4a/comments/igctay/comment/g2thp0o
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Front camera: blurred/softened foreground and sharp/detailed background.
I'm not saying it's absolute trash or anything. It works and it can be okay if you find the right distance to hold the phone from your subjects, but it's pretty bad when you compare it to other Pixels not named with the "a" moniker.
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The Pixel 2 you can hold up at any angle and distance and click the shutter and everything is in focus. The 4a can't do that.
In terms of advertised specs, they're very similar. One difference is that the 4a has a larger aperture, which is good in terms of exposure—it can use faster shutter speeds, reducing blur due to camera shake in low lighting—but which also reduces the depth of field, exacerbating the limitations of a fixed-focus lens. I'm not sure this difference (f/2 vs f/2.4) is really enough to explain what people are seeing though.
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It's fine. Whomever posted that either had a bad device, was using the front camera in a challenging environment or has unrealistic expectations. Clear, focused selfie on my 4a .

The processing on the front-facing camera is really bad. Softened, blurry, and lacking in detail: a whole staircase down from my ZUK Z2 Pro w/ GCam, which looks great. Will probably return the phone if I can't find a software fix for this.

Am not sure what folks are expecting out of a Front Facing Selfie Camera - I've had no issues with my Pixel 4a, Pixel XL, Nexus 6P, my 3 most recent smartphones. Just make sure the Face Retouching is Off in the Google Camera app. If you don't like that, try Open Camera.

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Am not sure what folks are expecting out of a Front Facing Selfie Camera - I've had no issues with my Pixel 4a, Pixel XL, Nexus 6P, my 3 most recent smartphones. Just make sure the Face Retouching is Off in the Google Camera app. If you don't like that, try Open Camera.
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Did all of that.
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MRDA1981 said:
The processing on the front-facing camera is really bad. Softened, blurry, and lacking in detail: a whole staircase down from my ZUK Z2 Pro w/ GCam, which looks great. Will probably return the phone if I can't find a software fix for this.
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Its most probably a bad device. I have the same problem, blurry face, no details. My friend also has a pixel 4a. His front cam selfies are way better than mine. I have contacted google. They said they will contact me today.

[email protected] said:
Its most probably a bad device. I have the same problem, blurry face, no details. My friend also has a pixel 4a. His front cam selfies are way better than mine. I have contacted google. They said they will contact me today.
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That's some really bad quality control from Google if so. I've already returned my device on account of this issue; hopefully Google can do right by you second time around.
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MRDA1981 said:
That's some really bad quality control from Google if so. I've already returned my device on account of this issue; hopefully Google can do right by you second time around.
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I hope so. I love and trust google. Today i talked to them via chat. After all the failed troubleshooting, they said they wud contact me after 1-2 days.

[email protected] said:
I hope so. I love and trust google. Today i talked to them via chat. After all the failed troubleshooting, they said they wud contact me after 1-2 days.
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Any updates? facing the same issue, front camera is really bad even in video recording it is out of focus :/

Alaadragonfire said:
Any updates? facing the same issue, front camera is really bad even in video recording it is out of focus :/
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I have already contacted google support and provided them the relevant proofs. They said they wud get back to me in 1-2 days.
See this pic comparison taken from my pixel 4a and my friend's pixel 4a.

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I have already contacted google support and provided them the relevant proofs. They said they wud get back to me in 1-2 days.
See this pic comparison taken from my pixel 4a and my friend's pixel 4a.
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Similar results with my phone as yours, I contacted Google and they have me the option to return mine and get a replacement. I'm just afraid I'll get a refurbished one.

Alaadragonfire said:
Similar results with my phone as yours, I contacted Google and they have me the option to return mine and get a replacement. I'm just afraid I'll get a refurbished one.
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Yes i got mail from them. They say that they will replace it but the replacement device could be a new one or a refurbished one. I don't know why google is doing like this.

CarolinaEvans said:
Is it SO bad?
'The processing on the front-facing camera is really bad. Softened, blurry, and lacking in detail: a whole staircase down from my ZUK Z2 Pro w/ GCam, which looks great. Will probably return the phone if I can't find a software fix for this.'
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Yes, so bad not even modded Google cameras could make it better. Made me decide to return the phone. I've seen better quality on even cheaper phones.
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CarolinaEvans said:
Is it SO bad?
'The processing on the front-facing camera is really bad. Softened, blurry, and lacking in detail: a whole staircase down from my ZUK Z2 Pro w/ GCam, which looks great. Will probably return the phone if I can't find a software fix for this.'
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It's not horrible - although there may be sample-to-sample variation based on some posts. Front camera on my early build 4a is notably softer than rear camera but still shows fine detail such as individual facial hairs at 15-18". No hesitation using for video calls or casual selfies. That said, no where near iPhone XR/11 quality which I knew going in.

I am having the same issue with the front camera. At first I thought this is normal as this is my first time with a pixel device. But seeing the reviews on YouTube on how good the camera is I was really surprised to see the very noticeable bluriness.
I bought I from Flipkart in india. What should I do? Should I contact Flipkart or goodle?

Here is what i've noticed
I am in the same boat as many about the FFC being blurry, out of focus. What I have noticed however is if you quickly switch from rear camera to selfie, you will notice for a split second it's focused and detailed, and then goes blurry. That is with all the facial retouching turned off as well. The camera itself clearly has the capability of producing a clear photo, yet something within the way its processing is taking that away. Any thoughts?

I have kindof the same feeling
I'm now at my 3rd replacement pixel 4a (the other two were unrelated to the front cam) and I've noticed the same blurriness on the front cam. Comparing it to previous selfies on the other two, my eyebrow hairs are actually visible compared to my current 4a. It might be the different screen protector (my current one covers the front camera), I'm going to try with another one, hopefully it will be better. But then I will have removed the oleophobic coating from my front camera, so it will get dirty af.
EDIT: yeah it isn't really the screen protector

Happening on Pixel 3 XL Too
Hopping in here to say that this is not just Pixel 4a. This is also happening on my Pixel 3 XL when using the wide-angle selfie camera.
In telephoto mode, everything works great and is in focus. I can also change the focal point by tapping the screen. Swapping to the wide-angle lens you can immediately see the foreground go from sharp focus to a complete blur while the background becomes sharp/focused, and you can't change the focal point AT ALL. I did not have this issue at all until my camera updated to the new Google Camera 8.1.

My front facing camera takes blurry selfies too. I guess it looks fine if you don't zoom in, but it's still kinda noticeable... A little disappointing.

OnePlus 8T camera thread, Post pictures taken with your OnePlus 8T!

I'll start us off!

My clicks
Update : it seems the image is broken, I will try from pc.
Update - Images reuploaded.

Took at tmo the day I bought it.

Upload didn't work.

Don't bother with the stock cam. Use GCam Mods.
Why?
GCam_7.3.018_Urnyx05-v2.1_Wichaya_V2.7.3 - normal vs OP8T stock (Oxygen OS 11.0.1.2.KB05BA
https://1drv.ms/u/s!Am3yOPAn8l_0iK8P6L0P23dryXWVCA?e=KpfoBn
PS: GCam 7.4 also works, but missed HDR+ so far.
Aux cams (wide, macro) don't work

DailyLama72 said:
Don't bother with the stock cam. Use GCam Mods.
Why?
GCam_7.3.018_Urnyx05-v2.1_Wichaya_V2.7.3 - normal vs OP8T stock (Oxygen OS 11.0.1.2.KB05BA
https://1drv.ms/u/s!Am3yOPAn8l_0iK8P...XWVCA?e=u5cD9C
PS: GCam 7.4 also works, but missed HDR+ so far.
Aux cams (wide, macro) don't work
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The link doesn't work.

olivercervera said:
The link doesn't work.
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Sorry, please try https://1drv.ms/u/s!Am3yOPAn8l_0iK8P6L0P23dryXWVCA?e=KpfoBn

DailyLama72 said:
Sorry, please try https://1drv.ms/u/s!Am3yOPAn8l_0iK8P6L0P23dryXWVCA?e=KpfoBn
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Thanks for the comparisons! I'm hoping to be comparing my Pixel 4 and 8T side by side with Gcam here in the next week.
Photos are a huge thing for me as well so this will be my primary driver towards OnePlus or moving to the Pixel 5.

pjd2011 said:
Thanks for the comparisons! I'm hoping to be comparing my Pixel 4 and 8T side by side with Gcam here in the next week.
Photos are a huge thing for me as well so this will be my primary driver towards OnePlus or moving to the Pixel 5.
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Same for me. I really enjoy the Photos of my OP3 with Gcam 7.2 very much, everyone is astonished about the quality a 4 year old 450€ phone can achieve.
It's just too slow, takes 30 seconds after 2 shots to process
So far, I had no time to test the OP8T, but tomorrow I hope my wife and me can make comparison shots with OP3 and OP8T, both with GCam. The macros that you can achieve with of the OP3 and GCam are really amazing, you can see single hairs on bumblebees.
Why did I not choose a Pixel 5?
1. You can't buy it officially in Austria and they cancel illegally purchases from Austria in the German shop
2. Google support is the worst of the worst, while OnePlus has fantastic support, easy to reach.
3. You get so much more raw power in the OP8T than in the Pixel 5. While the Pixel 5 is good for anything it does today, it's CPU is 1/2 to 1/3 of the power of the 865, so in ~2 years it will already have problems with some software
That said, the pixel camera software is unbeaten and If there would not be Gcam mod, I had a Pixel.

DailyLama72 said:
Don't bother with the stock cam. Use GCam Mods.
Why?
GCam_7.3.018_Urnyx05-v2.1_Wichaya_V2.7.3 - normal vs OP8T stock (Oxygen OS 11.0.1.2.KB05BA
https://1drv.ms/u/s!Am3yOPAn8l_0iK8P6L0P23dryXWVCA?e=KpfoBn
PS: GCam 7.4 also works, but missed HDR+ so far.
Aux cams (wide, macro) don't work
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Hey
Can you please share the gcam link

My Jeep in the snow

Anybody managed to get a good enough picture with the macro lens? For me the macro camera is really poor. I mean, like 2005 used to have better camera than this, the photos are very unclear and grainy every single time, pretty useless. The main camera is good enough and the Ultrawide is ok, usable. But the other 2 are really a waste of space. imo.

Lobsters from Red Lobster with stock cam
https://imgur.com/a/W1RbIYr
Sent from my OnePlus KB2007 using XDA Labs

Last night there were clear skies for 2hrs, so I used that opportunity to test out the astrophotography feature on Google Camera. Both photos were taken from the same position.
1st photo - main lens
2nd photo - wide angle lens.

Tefzors said:
Last night there were clear skies for 2hrs, so I used that opportunity to test out the astrophotography feature on Google Camera. Both photos were taken from the same position.
1st photo - main lens
2nd photo - wide angle lens.
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Can you send me the link to this google camera app used on 8T?

schand said:
Can you send me the link to this google camera app used on 8T?
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https://www.celsoazevedo.com/files/android/google-camera/f/changelog1451/

How is the camera on this phone? I really want to buy one, but i'm not that convinced about the camera, from what i've seen in the reviews. Currently i'm using a Huawei Mate 20 Pro. Can anyone tell me how this two phones compare in camera quality?

i.adrian said:
How is the camera on this phone? I really want to buy one, but i'm not that convinced about the camera, from what i've seen in the reviews. Currently i'm using a Huawei Mate 20 Pro. Can anyone tell me how this two phones compare in camera quality?
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Don't buy this phone for camera. It's not worth it. Better get OP 8 Pro which has IMX 689 sensor.

i.adrian said:
How is the camera on this phone? I really want to buy one, but i'm not that convinced about the camera, from what i've seen in the reviews. Currently i'm using a Huawei Mate 20 Pro. Can anyone tell me how this two phones compare in camera quality?
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Vishurules28 said:
Don't buy this phone for camera. It's not worth it. Better get OP 8 Pro which has IMX 689 sensor.
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Camera gets far better with Gcam.

I'm seing that it uses the same camera sensors as the 7! Is this true?! How come they don't update the sensors?