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[Q] What am I missing out by not flashing custom recovery / kernel (keepin knox 0x0)?

Please list what I am missing out on so hopefully that will tip me over so I finally flash a proper kernel .. =)
What cool new features do the custom kernels currently available offer? (apart from selinux permissive and getting rid of all the knox and selinux bull****)
No (easy) nandroid backup/restore and no zip flashing through a custom recovery also sucks =/...
Man Samsung why did you have to put us through this decision? One lil word that knox (warranty) can be restored / is still honored with knox 0x1 and this thing is flashed in 10 seconds....

zroice said:
Please list what I am missing out on so hopefully that will tip me over so I finally flash a proper kernel .. =)
What cool new features do the custom kernels currently available offer? (apart from selinux permissive and getting rid of all the knox and selinux bull****)
No (easy) nandroid backup/restore and no zip flashing through a custom recovery also sucks =/...
Man Samsung why did you have to put us through this decision? One lil word that knox (warranty) can be restored / is still honored with knox 0x1 and this thing is flashed in 10 seconds....
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Keeping KNOX 0x0 prevents you from flashing other ROMs, and some of the ones here on XDA beat the crap out of OEM stock ROMs. A custom recovery makes it easy to backup, change the ROM, flash ZIPs, etc. I had TWRP with Multiboot, on my Nexus 7, so I could test and play with other stuff like Ubuntu without messing with my main CM system. As for kernels, I didn't see any available last time I checked, not for this device at least, but I'm sure we'll see them soon enough.
This may not apply to you, but I asked my Sprint Store directly, will rooting affect my Total Equipment Protectjon, and not only did they say it is OK, the guy actively encouraged me to root (though that part was probably the guys personal opinion). As for Samsung, i don't know, but I'm keeping it as long as i can tolerate (end or December I'll probably crack). Hope this helps.

Why I choose custom ROMS and ROOT is because I get free hands on changing the appearance! I really hate the stock appearance of every phone (I think it's because it feels like I'm forced to use it) and I love to change every single thing of it. Of course there are a lot of different things you can do as well, I have for example installed AdAway (no more crappy advertisement all over your phone) and ES File Explorer with ROOT so I can change every file I want wherever I want.

Sorry for the cheeky reply but one would google "advantages of root" or something like it to get some answers.
Without root you are going to miss out on a huge variety of things, but if you don't use those features, will you miss them?
Food for thought.
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Yeah... think knox make me think of this is my last Samsung phone... haha... happy with root device but I don't want to lose warranty too.
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Hmm either I didnt explain myself correctly, or you guys didnt understand me fully:
I got my phone rooted with root de la vega (obviously - if there was no way around it I would just trip the knox flag - but with RDLV I can do most of the root things..)
I know what a custom recovery can do and this one is pretty big for me already since I like to mess around with system alot and would love to have easy nandroid backup.. but so far that was not enough for me to actually trip knox for having that.
So I was asking what other things some of the custom kernels and/or recoveries do offer at this point? I see there is OC/UV already with Faux kernel? And sound improvement? Guess it's time to trip that knox.. but man if tomorrow or next week someone finds a way to circumvent the knox tripping somehow, I would bite myself in the ass lol..
Just a big FU at samsung for forcing this crap on people...

[Q] Is it worth rooting the Galaxy Note 3?

Ok so I live in Canada, and I plan on buying an unlocked Galaxy Note 3 from Rogers in December. I currently have a Galaxy S3 and it is rooted no triangle on boot or anything like that, so I am happy with my GS3 for now. Is it worth rooting the Note 3 when I get it? Will a giant orange triangle appear everytime I reboot the device? I plan on waiting about a month before I root it, if I do root it. I am not to worried about my warranty as I have never had to use a warranty on a phone before.

You wont see anything other than your model number & samsung logo during booting but you'll see some sort of knox warranty void 0x1 in download mode which means your phone is using custom kernel.
Whether it's worth to root or not i think it depends on you. Myself root my phone on the first day i own it after make sure i dont need the warranty. I dont care about the knox 0x1. Just cant stand with the stock look.

Rosli59564 said:
You wont see anything other than your model number & samsung logo during booting but you'll see some sort of knox warranty void 0x1 in download mode which means your phone is using custom kernel.
Whether it's worth to root or not i think it depends on you. Myself root my phone on the first day i own it after make sure i dont need the warranty. I dont care about the knox 0x1. Just cant stand with the stock look.
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AdFree is a must for me on any phone I own, I was more worried about having a giant orange triangle on the Samsung splash screen like other devices. Or knox doing something to the phone after I rooted it.

rooting has been worthwhile for me
Titanium Backup is awesome in getting rid of the bloatware
Greenify is great in making sure apps do not stay awake
Xposed Framework is awesome in installing modules that add much functionality
-Instagram Photo Download
-Wanam Xposed
-Xposed Additions (Longpress Back to Open Recent Apps, etc)

Cheating in games with game killer can't be done without root.
And since I spent $5 of real money, and you can't transfer the credits over to my new phone, I'm going to cheat.
So if you feel like I do, and feel cheated, cheat yourself the money with game killer and get root.
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Rosli59564 said:
You wont see anything other than your model number & samsung logo during booting but you'll see some sort of knox warranty void 0x1 in download mode which means your phone is using custom kernel.
Whether it's worth to root or not i think it depends on you. Myself root my phone on the first day i own it after make sure i dont need the warranty. I dont care about the knox 0x1. Just cant stand with the stock look.
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This. I rooted and xposed my note to change the colour scheme but even if you like Everyrhing about touchwiz, it is worth it to be able to use any app in multiwindow.

Rooting
Iam just scared about the flash counter

Not rooted as I can get the look and feel using nova or apex. Rooted my SGN2 but missed some of the special samsung stuff.
May change when there is a stable 4.4 if samsung take their time. Just my 2c
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I thought there is a root method without tripping the Knox counter >> "de la Vega" and kingo. right?
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Dont use kingo its a spy app
YES IT IS WORTH
Remove bloat
-> increase free RAM
-> 1.5 times the battery time
Leave a 'Thanks' if i helped you
SM-N9005 MJ7 Knox 0x0
XDA Premium 4 mobile app

Killberty said:
Dont use kingo its a spy app...
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Don't believe everything you read. It's amazing how speculation and rumors turn into "fact" in this forum...especially if it's negative.
I recommend that people do their own, in depth research and them make an educated decision.

if u r not worried about warranty
if u r not worried about warranty it is always better to root cos you get so much more options to play around with which you wouldnt have otherwise

Depends what you want to do, Do you need root? - Do you need to remove apps? - Like choosing something, it's all personal preference... If you need root then root your phone, If you can live without it and don't need it. Then don't.

I still haven't rooted mine.

rooted mine from day 1 too. Mostly for my sixaxis app, controller support for my games
OT: plus i think it is worth it; with root you can get another, better and more optimized, rom.

I still believe if you have to ask you don't need it....

ultramag69 said:
I still believe if you have to ask you don't need it....
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Agreed. I have always rooted my devices but take my time to read with each new device since they're all a bit different. I'm curious if I root with the knox free setting if I can revert fully to stock or only fake non custom status. What's the best method to use for Canadian variant of note 3?

adampollack said:
Agreed. I have always rooted my devices but take my time to read with each new device since they're all a bit different. I'm curious if I root with the knox free setting if I can revert fully to stock or only fake non custom status. What's the best method to use for Canadian variant of note 3?
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Have reverted back to fully official once stock rom was flashed. Only modified status when rooted as you can't run the fake "official" status as wanam needs root priveleges...

ultramag69 said:
Have reverted back to fully official once stock rom was flashed. Only modified status when rooted as you can't run the fake "official" status as wanam needs root priveleges...
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:good:
Just to confirm, I can use Root de la Vega and enjoy all the benefits of rooting without tripping KNOX, but can still reflash (via odin?) the stock rom and be back to factory/warranty settings with STOCK STATUS? That's all I'm interested in at this point, no custom roms or recoveries.
Thanks again for your help! I am just extra cautious :fingers-crossed:

adampollack said:
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Just to confirm, I can use Root de la Vega and enjoy all the benefits of rooting without tripping KNOX, but can still reflash (via odin?) the stock rom and be back to factory/warranty settings with STOCK STATUS? That's all I'm interested in at this point, no custom roms or recoveries.
Thanks again for your help! I am just extra cautious :fingers-crossed:
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yes you just have to unroot using the supersu itself, then flash your stock rom with odin, factory reset. everything will be stock new. even status will revert from custom to official.

[Q] Just bought an S4 and did the 4.3 OTA and have Knox, should I return the phone?

Hi everyone, I have about 7 days left on my "14 day return policy" from the Sprint store. I love XDA and it's been a HUGE help to me in the last few years. I like the phone, it's pretty snappy, and the camera is great. But I can't use a phone without root (who can??) and eventually Samsung will stop pushing updates to this phone so I'm going to need to flash custom ROMs (cyanogenmod did wonders on my last phone, the Galaxy S1). I also know that I can't mount SMB or CFS shares without flashing a kernel that supports it and I'm not sure if the S4's official firmware supports the ability to do so (which I believe requires root anyway, so I guess I answered my own question.
I have a couple of questions about the S4 that I'm hoping someone who has experience can tell me about this.
1) Can I root using VRoot and NOT trip the Knox warranty bit?
2) After rooting, can I install a recovery (I've read that Philz CWM recovery works but can't find definitive answers on this).
3) Should I even care about the Knox software?
I don't need to use the phone in an enterprise environment, but I also don't want the phone's bootloader locked to Samsung firmwares if it means I won't be able to install custom FW's or kernels.
Should I return the phone? I'll pay the $35 restocking fee just to save myself from having to deal with Samsung's (and this my opinion) bonehead move of abandoning its developer userbase.
Any and all responses would be appreciated. Thanks for reading and helping!

epi4gtn said:
Hi everyone, I have about 7 days left on my "14 day return policy" from the Sprint store. I love XDA and it's been a HUGE help to me in the last few years. I like the phone, it's pretty snappy, and the camera is great. But I can't use a phone without root (who can??) and eventually Samsung will stop pushing updates to this phone so I'm going to need to flash custom ROMs (cyanogenmod did wonders on my last phone, the Galaxy S1). I also know that I can't mount SMB or CFS shares without flashing a kernel that supports it and I'm not sure if the S4's official firmware supports the ability to do so (which I believe requires root anyway, so I guess I answered my own question.
I have a couple of questions about the S4 that I'm hoping someone who has experience can tell me about this.
1) Can I root using VRoot and NOT trip the Knox warranty bit?
2) After rooting, can I install a recovery (I've read that Philz CWM recovery works but can't find definitive answers on this).
3) Should I even care about the Knox software?
I don't need to use the phone in an enterprise environment, but I also don't want the phone's bootloader locked to Samsung firmwares if it means I won't be able to install custom FW's or kernels.
Should I return the phone? I'll pay the $35 restocking fee just to save myself from having to deal with Samsung's (and this my opinion) bonehead move of abandoning its developer userbase.
Any and all responses would be appreciated. Thanks for reading and helping!
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I am not worried about the Knox bit. Mine is tripped and it's not preventing anything, AFAIK. I can still install Sammy firmwares, ROM's that are at the correct version/level, mods, apps, etc. It seems it's really only a flag for enterprise users. I agree it kind of sucks, and I'm not a fan of it, but it doesn't seem to be causing any real harm at this point warranty or service wise. Some say it may prevent Samsung from honoring the warranty, but I'm not sure that's true, based on reading the forums.
As far as Samsung stopping pushing firmwares to this phone, that should be a long way off since this is their flagship smartphone at this point. It's a great phone and I've been very happy with mine, which I got the weekend they were released. Rooted, stock rom, hotspot mod. So much better phone than my old HTC Androids!

jejb said:
I am not worried about the Knox bit. Mine is tripped and it's not preventing anything, AFAIK. I can still install Sammy firmwares, ROM's that are at the correct version/level, mods, apps, etc. It seems it's really only a flag for enterprise users. I agree it kind of sucks, and I'm not a fan of it, but it doesn't seem to be causing any real harm at this point warranty or service wise. Some say it may prevent Samsung from honoring the warranty, but I'm not sure that's true, based on reading the forums.
As far as Samsung stopping pushing firmwares to this phone, that should be a long way off since this is their flagship smartphone at this point. It's a great phone and I've been very happy with mine, which I got the weekend they were released. Rooted, stock rom, hotspot mod. So much better phone than my old HTC Androids!
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This is just a thought... but... check your phone, when I got mine not too long back it still came with 4.2 on it. If yours still has 4.2 you wouldn't have to worry about knox as long as you didn't take the OTA. You could root it and rom it all you wanted.

Yes you should return the phone. That way you **** all the people who return their phones for legitimate warranty/insurance reasons with higher costs.
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frostedunit said:
Yes you should return the phone. That way you **** all the people who return their phones for legitimate warranty/insurance reasons with higher costs.
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I haven't done any type of rooting or modification to the phone yet. That's the reason I'm asking, I haven't tripped the counter. I'm just aggravated by not having root and being able to remove this crapware. I wouldn't be ****ing anyone. Please don't be a ****.
jejb said:
I am not worried about the Knox bit. Mine is tripped and it's not preventing anything, AFAIK. I can still install Sammy firmwares, ROM's that are at the correct version/level, mods, apps, etc. It seems it's really only a flag for enterprise users. I agree it kind of sucks, and I'm not a fan of it, but it doesn't seem to be causing any real harm at this point warranty or service wise. Some say it may prevent Samsung from honoring the warranty, but I'm not sure that's true, based on reading the forums.
As far as Samsung stopping pushing firmwares to this phone, that should be a long way off since this is their flagship smartphone at this point. It's a great phone and I've been very happy with mine, which I got the weekend they were released. Rooted, stock rom, hotspot mod. So much better phone than my old HTC Androids!
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This is great news, can you point me to the tool you used to root the phone? I've read the Chinese VRoot method doesn't trip the counter, but installs "Superuser" which can subsequently be removed and replaced with SuperSU. I think using SuperSU and something like DroidWall to monitor the device to make sure nothing fishy is going on will help us determine whether or not VRoot is really malware (I've read comments saying that it's some kind of spyware but I'm not sure of the technical prowess of those commenters).
What recovery are you using to flash custom ROMs?
And as asked in a previous post-- Did you root before taking the OTA? Or did you take the OTA and do you see the Knox Warranty Bit marked as 0x1 in the stock recovery?
Thanks for the replies, appreciate all the info guys!

epi4gtn said:
I haven't done any type of rooting or modification to the phone yet. That's the reason I'm asking, I haven't tripped the counter. I'm just aggravated by not having root and being able to remove this crapware. I wouldn't be ****ing anyone. Please don't be a ****.
This is great news, can you point me to the tool you used to root the phone? I've read the Chinese VRoot method doesn't trip the counter, but installs "Superuser" which can subsequently be removed and replaced with SuperSU. I think using SuperSU and something like DroidWall to monitor the device to make sure nothing fishy is going on will help us determine whether or not VRoot is really malware (I've read comments saying that it's some kind of spyware but I'm not sure of the technical prowess of those commenters).
What recovery are you using to flash custom ROMs?
And as asked in a previous post-- Did you root before taking the OTA? Or did you take the OTA and do you see the Knox Warranty Bit marked as 0x1 in the stock recovery?
Thanks for the replies, appreciate all the info guys![/QUOTE
I used an app from thePlayStore called Triangle Away to reset the counter. You have to be rooted, but it works perfectly. Just an FYI.
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epi4gtn said:
I haven't done any type of rooting or modification to the phone yet. That's the reason I'm asking, I haven't tripped the counter. I'm just aggravated by not having root and being able to remove this crapware. I wouldn't be ****ing anyone. Please don't be a ****.
This is great news, can you point me to the tool you used to root the phone? I've read the Chinese VRoot method doesn't trip the counter, but installs "Superuser" which can subsequently be removed and replaced with SuperSU. I think using SuperSU and something like DroidWall to monitor the device to make sure nothing fishy is going on will help us determine whether or not VRoot is really malware (I've read comments saying that it's some kind of spyware but I'm not sure of the technical prowess of those commenters).
What recovery are you using to flash custom ROMs?
And as asked in a previous post-- Did you root before taking the OTA? Or did you take the OTA and do you see the Knox Warranty Bit marked as 0x1 in the stock recovery?
Thanks for the replies, appreciate all the info guys!
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Dont use vroot. Until some dev can pin point what the chinese root method actually does. And if your on 4.2.2 your ok but once ota to 4.3 then you have knox bootloader meaning you cant downgrade firmwares. It wont stop you from changing kernels and roms. Knox flag just voids your warranty with samsung but if you have insurance with sprint they can care less about it tripped. I updated to 4.3 and tripped the knox amd I havent seen no problems really. Btw please make research this has been talked about lately too much.
SoFaKiNgStOkeD said:
epi4gtn said:
I haven't done any type of rooting or modification to the phone yet. That's the reason I'm asking, I haven't tripped the counter. I'm just aggravated by not having root and being able to remove this crapware. I wouldn't be ****ing anyone. Please don't be a ****.
This is great news, can you point me to the tool you used to root the phone? I've read the Chinese VRoot method doesn't trip the counter, but installs "Superuser" which can subsequently be removed and replaced with SuperSU. I think using SuperSU and something like DroidWall to monitor the device to make sure nothing fishy is going on will help us determine whether or not VRoot is really malware (I've read comments saying that it's some kind of spyware but I'm not sure of the technical prowess of those commenters).
What recovery are you using to flash custom ROMs?
And as asked in a previous post-- Did you root before taking the OTA? Or did you take the OTA and do you see the Knox Warranty Bit marked as 0x1 in the stock recovery?
Thanks for the replies, appreciate all the info guys![/QUOTE
I used an app from thePlayStore called Triangle Away to reset the counter. You have to be rooted, but it works perfectly. Just an FYI.
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That only works if your on 4.2. It wont reset the knox bootloader counter.
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epi4gtn said:
This is great news, can you point me to the tool you used to root the phone? I've read the Chinese VRoot method doesn't trip the counter, but installs "Superuser" which can subsequently be removed and replaced with SuperSU. I think using SuperSU and something like DroidWall to monitor the device to make sure nothing fishy is going on will help us determine whether or not VRoot is really malware (I've read comments saying that it's some kind of spyware but I'm not sure of the technical prowess of those commenters).
What recovery are you using to flash custom ROMs?
And as asked in a previous post-- Did you root before taking the OTA? Or did you take the OTA and do you see the Knox Warranty Bit marked as 0x1 in the stock recovery?
Thanks for the replies, appreciate all the info guys!
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Yes, my Knox bit it tripped/set. It is 0x1 on the download screen. Can't view it in recovery. I just used CF Auto Root after going to 4.3. Should be easy to search and find that thread. I'm on the stock rom with tweaks.
Using TWRP recovery, but I've tried several, including Philz and OUDHS. It seems Philz is the flavor of the month, so you might want to go with that just to be safe.
I did not root before taking the OTA. I don't think I'd try it that way. I was rooted, but went back to stock to take the update. If you get back to stock, reset the custom bits on your download screen (triangle away and RTN's seem to do that, but might have to do more than one), recover your apps/data and then take the OTA, it should be the most sure fire method. Then root, custom recovery, nandroid backup and play from there.

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Yes, my Knox bit it tripped/set. It is 0x1 on the download screen. Can't view it in recovery. I just used CF Auto Root after going to 4.3. Should be easy to search and find that thread. I'm on the stock rom with tweaks.
Using TWRP recovery, but I've tried several, including Philz and OUDHS. It seems Philz is the flavor of the month, so you might want to go with that just to be safe.
I did not root before taking the OTA. I don't think I'd try it that way. I was rooted, but went back to stock to take the update. If you get back to stock, reset the custom bits on your download screen (triangle away and RTN's seem to do that, but might have to do more than one), recover your apps/data and then take the OTA, it should be the most sure fire method. Then root, custom recovery, nandroid backup and play from there.
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Thank you, I plan to just use CF-Auto-Root to root the phone. I'm starting to care less about the Knox bit getting tripped.
I came across this post by rawintellect that seems to have everything I'd need out of the phone, rooted/deodexed MK2 with all the bloat removed, BUT it says in the description that the Knox Bootloader is removed *EDIT: After thinking about the statement some more, I think he means the Knox bootloader is NOT included in the rom, but this raises another question, can I install it on a phone WITH the knox bootloader?), so I'm afraid of attempting to flash it because as I understand it, it's impossible to replace the knox bootloader.
Here's the post: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48516106
This individual seems to have gotten everything working: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=48516106&postcount=88
Do you know if anyone is able to flash Philz through Odin successfully on the MJA/knox bootloader?

I took mine back after I took the OTA. I was honest about why I was returning it, that the firmware introduces restrictions and annoying features (I cited the multiple WiFi security warnings in particular) I was not willing to accept, and the independent store I was dealing with gave me an exchange to a new phone with 4.2. I first asked if they could downgrade the phone to 4.2, including the bootloader, they researched that option, finding it impossible.
If they had not given me the exchange, I would have picked a different color and done it that way.

Try this Guide
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2572000
MrTasselhof

[Q] GT-I9505, rooting and custom roms

I know this is probably been asked 100 times already, but while I've found a lot of comprehensive guides about rooting the Nexus 7 I can't find the same thing for the S4. I'm going to buy one soon, and since I'm in italy it should be the GT-I9505 version.
I want to root the telephone, install a custom rom (I don't know which one, I'll have to check later) and be able to revert to the stock settings/rom so that I can avoid to void the warranty. Every guide I checked used a different software, or was specifically about the AT&T or Verizon model, or just didn't include how to do all the things aforementioned, so please, someone link me the best guides on rooting the S4 and being able to revert the telephone to stock settings (I imagine installing custom roms has specific guides for every rom, so no need for that).
Really, really thanks to anyone who answers.

Hi..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2419762

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Hi..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2419762
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Thanks but I read the FAQ already, that's partially why I felt stupid opening this thread, not even the noob-friendly FAQ answered everything.
So, I use chainfire auto-root to root the device, and then with Odin I can eventually unroot it in case I need the warranty?

Soory for the double post, but I need new answers about this topic.
I'll use CF auto root to root the device, but this trips the knox flag and nullifies warranty. How do I avoid that? I heard of a Triangle awayy app which resets the Triangle Counter or something like that and I don't think it's the same thing. How do I root while keeping my warranty?
Also, how is the app which reverts the device custom rom to the stock rom called? I always hear different names, it's a bootloader, or recovery mode or now another thing all together, I just need to eventually revert the custom rom to the original rom in order to avoid breaking the warranty if possible.
Last question, feel free to disregard this one because I can search it somewhere else: if I use a custom rom, how do I keep up to date with the official Android builds/functions? Ie, 4.5 comes out and I have Cyanogen, do I have to wait for a new Cyanogen update which brings the Android 4.5 features or am I missing the point entirely?
Again, thanks.

cloudropis said:
Soory for the double post, but I need new answers about this topic.
I'll use CF auto root to root the device, but this trips the knox flag and nullifies warranty. How do I avoid that? I heard of a Triangle awayy app which resets the Triangle Counter or something like that and I don't think it's the same thing. How do I root while keeping my warranty?
Also, how is the app which reverts the device custom rom to the stock rom called? I always hear different names, it's a bootloader, or recovery mode or now another thing all together, I just need to eventually revert the custom rom to the original rom in order to avoid breaking the warranty if possible.
Last question, feel free to disregard this one because I can search it somewhere else: if I use a custom rom, how do I keep up to date with the official Android builds/functions? Ie, 4.5 comes out and I have Cyanogen, do I have to wait for a new Cyanogen update which brings the Android 4.5 features or am I missing the point entirely?
Again, thanks.
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You don't avoid tripping the knox flag. And you can't reset it. If your phone has Knox and you want to root it, you have to trip the knox flag. Period.
Here is everything you could possibly ever want to know about Knox.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2470635
And yes, you have to keep updating the custom roms to get the latest features. Odds are VERY strong that the custom roms will have the updates before the carrier based ROMs OTA's come out.

Skipjacks said:
You don't avoid tripping the knox flag. And you can't reset it. If your phone has Knox and you want to root it, you have to trip the knox flag. Period.
Here is everything you could possibly ever want to know about Knox.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2470635
And yes, you have to keep updating the custom roms to get the latest features. Odds are VERY strong that the custom roms will have the updates before the carrier based ROMs OTA's come out.
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Got it. So a lot of people still root their phones even if it voids their warranty huh? I guess that the benefits must be greater then the cons (for one, being able to use my Dualshock 3 without cables is way enough, maybe the eventual repair centre won't notice, or maybe I'll just keep a freaking eye on my phone).
Again, I couldn't find an answer in the Rooting thread's first post, so to be safe rather than sorry I'll ask here: The device update is ready, it upgrades Android to 4.4.2 (currently 4.3, but if I got it right the KB shouldn't give me problems because I am not changing rom), does CF autoroot work anyway? Knox flag or not? I dropped the idea of using a custom rom, so I just need to know if I can still root it with CF.

cloudropis said:
Got it. So a lot of people still root their phones even if it voids their warranty huh? I guess that the benefits must be greater then the cons (for one, being able to use my Dualshock 3 without cables is way enough, maybe the eventual repair centre won't notice, or maybe I'll just keep a freaking eye on my phone).
Again, I couldn't find an answer in the Rooting thread's first post, so to be safe rather than sorry I'll ask here: The device update is ready, it upgrades Android to 4.4.2 (currently 4.3, but if I got it right the KB shouldn't give me problems because I am not changing rom), does CF autoroot work anyway? Knox flag or not? I dropped the idea of using a custom rom, so I just need to know if I can still root it with CF.
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It strongly depends on which part of the world you live.
In the EU the store you bought it from still has to fix it. Samsung in the Netherlands has stated that rooted phones etc will still have warranty.

Lennyz1988 said:
It strongly depends on which part of the world you live.
In the EU the store you bought it from still has to fix it. Samsung in the Netherlands has stated that rooted phones etc will still have warranty.
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I live in italy and I highly doubt warranty is intact after rooting, so heh.
In case someone missed it, this is the last question before I'm satisfied and can let this thread be closed: if I do the official update which brings the device's Android version to 4.4.2, can I still root it? I'm not saying the upgraded Android is a problem, I'm just asking if that specific update perhaps brought some security changes or something which don't allow rooting or make it harder.

Sorry but I'm bumping again I really need this.

Bump again

You can root it.

First time foray into rooting and roms....

Hi all.
I am really intrigued by some roms i see here especially Kingrom. I have never rooted a phone or anything past that but i am pretty tech savvy and have done some crazy stuff like downgrading and installing custom bootroms and OS's on nintendo 3ds which was a harrowing multi hour experience.
Anyway, before i root and install a custom recovery like TWRP, what are the dangers and downsides of starting this journey? Is it possible to un-root and go back to fully factory like-new? Does rooting and custom romming trip knox? Can i still get OTA updates from samsung?

what are the dangers and downsides of starting this journey?
You can brick your Device
Is it possible to un-root and go back to fully factory like-new?
yes, make a Full Backup
Does rooting and custom romming trip knox?
With Root trip KNOX
Can i still get OTA updates from samsung?
No, dont need it
if you use Kingrom
prepare use Phoenix Rom

dayl1ght said:
what are the dangers and downsides of starting this journey?
You can brick your Device
Is it possible to un-root and go back to fully factory like-new?
yes, make a Full Backup
Does rooting and custom romming trip knox?
With Root trip KNOX
Can i still get OTA updates from samsung?
No, dont need it
if you use Kingrom
prepare use Phoenix Rom
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How do i make a backup before i start root?
What is the downside of tripping knox? I dont have carrier, and no US warranty because of international phone, i have insurance from B&H but they dont check knox i think

Once Knox is tripped you will never ever be able to use Samsung Pay and find it difficult, if not impossible, to use Android Pay.

liquidguru said:
Once Knox is tripped you will never ever be able to use Samsung Pay and find it difficult, if not impossible, to use Android Pay.
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never use and never will use those, so i guess ill go with root!

In the S7 you can not brick brick your phone you can always boot in recovery and install everything, the KNOX counter once it gets reset nothing can be done. Rooting opens up the possibilities on the phone and its insane

utkarsh_86 said:
In the S7 you can not brick brick your phone you can always boot in recovery and install everything, the KNOX counter once it gets reset nothing can be done. Rooting opens up the possibilities on the phone and its insane
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what is benefit of keeping knox? i dont have samsung warranty and i never will use samsung/android pay? does it protect against viruses or something?

kofman13 said:
what is benefit of keeping knox? i dont have samsung warranty and i never will use samsung/android pay? does it protect against viruses or something?
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KNOX is more towards enterprise, if you dont have warranty then what are you waiting for go ahead Root it, its not difficult just look at the you tube videos and hear what they explain carefully also have a look here
forum.xda-developers.com/s7-edge/development/recovery-official-twrp-hero2lte-3-0-0-0-t3334084

kofman13 said:
what is benefit of keeping knox? i dont have samsung warranty and i never will use samsung/android pay? does it protect against viruses or something?
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If you plan on selling your phone in the future, it's price maybe be affected, as the new owner will not be able to use the pay services.
Ultimately it's your choice. This is the first phone I haven't rooted. Every day I think I might, but I find it hard to actually go through with it. It works completely well without rooting. The main reason I used to root was to change the DPI, but you can do that without rooting on this phone.

liquidguru said:
If you plan on selling your phone in the future, it's price maybe be affected, as the new owner will not be able to use the pay services.
Ultimately it's your choice. This is the first phone I haven't rooted. Every day I think I might, but I find it hard to actually go through with it. It works completely well without rooting. The main reason I used to root was to change the DPI, but you can do that without rooting on this phone.
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i was mainly interested in kingrom because i hear it boosts performance and lets you block ads with mega ad blocker... is it not worth it?

It really is up to you. Rooting and tinkering is a lot of fun, which is why XDA exists. Following the rooting and flashing guides you shouldn't have any problems with your device. Custom ROMs and Xposed modules can add a lot of additional features and customization to your phone. This time, for this phone, I just feel it's not needed, but that's just me.
I use Adguard to block ads. It works really well on non-rooted phones.
I think I'd get a Nexus device now, if I wanted to start rooting and flashing ROMs. A lot of the real innovation is done with CM-based ROMs, which are extremely unlikely on new Sammy Exynos devices.