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There's been a lot of speculation about just how Nexus-like the Galaxy S4 and HTC One Google Play edition phones will be, particularly from a technical / software update standpoint. Now, we have some relatively concrete information that sheds light on these issues.
First and foremost, Google will not directly handle software updates for Google Play edition devices. This has been reported as true, false, and generally disputed quite a lot in the lead-up to the launch. We know for a fact now (thanks to Anandtech) that while Google will supply the necessary Android builds to OEMs, the OEMs will be responsible for maintenance of kernels and all the various drivers and firmware pieces necessary for their specific device. The result is that Google gives the OEMs the Android build, and it's then up to the OEMs to make that build work on their Google Play edition device and perform the act of actually updating the phone. Google has issued an official statement that works very hard to not expressly deny that they won't be handling the updates (Droid-life):
What's this mean for you? It means that at the end of the day, the onus to update these phones will still be on Samsung and HTC. They will be able to circumvent the carrier certification runaround, and will in theory have much less work to do in maintaining these devices, but the responsibility still falls to them, not Google. This could mean any number of things. It could mean these phones will get updates within days of their Nexus counterparts. But more likely weeks, and possibly even months depending how much attention these phones are actually given by HTC and Samsung. I wouldn't say months is what we should expect, but I'm also saying such a gap is entirely within the realm of possibility. You have to remember, these phones will sell in miniscule quantities compared to their skinned brethren, and that means they aren't as high up on the value chain for software update attention. While it's certainly worth being optimistic about the update process, there's still plenty of reason to temper those expectations until we see these devices receive their first major Android release update.
he second thing we've learned is that Google will not host factory OS images for Google Play edition devices (see JBQ's post on this topic here). This will be up to Samsung and HTC, if they choose to do so. Google will also not be hosting any proprietary binaries (essentially, drivers) for these phones (again, see JBQ). Release of any binaries is, once again, up to Samsung and HTC. Taken together, all this information - as you may already have guessed long ago - means there is very little chance we'll ever see these phones supported in AOSP. It's not impossible, but it is extremely unlikely.
So there you have it: that's basically the nuts and bolts of what doesn't make the Google Play edition HTC One and Galaxy S4 Nexuses. Does this put a damper on the situation, or is it immaterial? Let us know in the comments.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...play-edition-one-or-s4-oems-will-handle-otas/
welp this sucks !
I am not flashing this until first update comes out to see how fast they actually are, ridiculous decision.
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I am not flashing this until first update comes out to see how fast they actually are, ridiculous decision.
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Since we will probably be on 4.2.2 for a while you're going to be waiting.
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Possibly, but I am not losing my IR blaster and camera app for half-supported stock Android. If HTC will push out the update within a week or two after it comes out for Nexus devices, then I will definitely flash it, if not then I don't see the point of it. I would rather do S-OFF + Super Cid and still enjoy all these things than losing too many good things for basically just stock Android.
Nexus Experience Device not Nexus Device
That's really unfortunate.
Pretty ridiculous actually.
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Did you really expect more? Google never said they would be Nexus devices or supported by AOSP. They are Nexus "Experience" devices... hence they offer the same feel without being the same.
Sorry to burst your bubble.... that said I think there will be dedication on the part of HTC and Samsung to get updates.. there isn't any excuse and you know if the device is on Google Play then el'Goog will be pressuring them to not delay
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It states in Google play that both devices will get automatic updates of the latest android version.
I believe that more that others guessing about it.
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It states in Google play that both devices will get automatic updates of the latest android version.
I believe that more that others guessing about it.
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Zero timeline given. It will get it. The second it's released? No. A month after? Maybe.
Yep, OP...sure this is stock AOSP, but if anyone thinks the S4 and One will be updated the instant the Nexus line is, they are smoking some serious ****.
Samsung and HTC still have a role in this, ala Verizon (CDMA) Galaxy Nexus. It will slow things down. It's on HTC and Samsung to instantly update their proprietary apps to play well with AOSP. We've all seen that movie before, now have we?
Sigh. Can of worms. I called it. Once you integrate manufacturer specific features into AOSP (Beats, Zoe, etc) it WILL slow down the instant (expected) release of AOSP to "OMG PURE GOOGLE) phones. Psst: they aren't Nexi.
Just deal with it. I cringe for the blasting posts from those who got the One/S4 AOSP editions once the newest Android OS is pushed out...to the Nexus line first.
I see it now:
"THE NEXUS 4 JUST GOT 5.0. WHERE IS MY KLP ON MY ONE/S4 GOOGLE!??? PETITION STARTED!!!!1111"
And so on. Grabs popcorn.
Edit: thought I'd paste in a quote I just read that summarizes this situation quite well:
I don't see the point of these devices anymore. You lose out on the few customization that OEMs provided that weren't useless (fully functional Beats, camera software, improved text messaging and browser apps, etc.) for a vanilla experience that is nearly indistinguishable from the OEM version running a custom launcher. And no guarantee of fast updates.
You'd have to be a dummy to buy these phones from the Play store.
Thankfully I have an unlocked T-Mobile One. I'll just use it or flash whatever, whenever. Paid $450 for it and am very happy with my gamble.
So the question still remains, could someone possibly take whatever HTC releases for the GE version and put that on a carrier locked or Dev edition phone? Sorry for my lack of understanding here, but I'm just trying to figure out which phone to buy at this point.
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It states in Google play that both devices will get automatic updates of the latest android version. I believe that more that others guessing about it.
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Automatic = sent directly to the phone.
Updates = it'll be updated.
Latest Android version = it'll get newer versions of Android.
The key words that are missing are "when" and “from whom.” I guess people can read in to that statement what they want but nothing in it makes what OP posted untrue. With so many phones orphaned on old versions of Android that statement could be as benign as "your phone will keep up with Android releases."
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Automatic = sent directly to the phone.
Updates = it'll be updated.
Latest Android version = it'll get newer versions of Android.
The key words that are missing are "when" and “from whom.” I guess people can read in to that statement what they want but nothing in it makes what OP posted untrue. With so many phones orphaned on old versions of Android that statement could be as benign as "your phone will keep up with Android releases."
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google is the only one who can update aosp devices..nobody else
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...play-edition-one-or-s4-oems-will-handle-otas/
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/0...play-edition-one-or-s4-oems-will-handle-otas/
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you are a thick one aren't you lol
hello00 said:
google is the only one who can update aosp devices..nobody else
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The first post says it isn't an AOSP device, Google isn't managing the proprietary drivers, they aren't posting the s/w images, and they aren't responsible for pushing out updates. So your statement is true; for Nexus devices. "Play Edition's" aren't Nexus devices.
The fact that it doesn't say the below which Google says about their devices probably means what OP posted is true.
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So the question still remains, could someone possibly take whatever HTC releases for the GE version and put that on a carrier locked or Dev edition phone? Sorry for my lack of understanding here, but I'm just trying to figure out which phone to buy at this point.
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You can flash whatever you want. Nothing new here.
I say get the phone with the most bands for resale and every day use. Hint. It isn't the Google or Dev one.
Unlock it for $7 and never look back.
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You can flash whatever you want. Nothing new here.
I say get the phone with the most bands. Hint. It isn't the Google or Dev one.
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Understood, but would matter then to get the GE version over the Dev?
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Understood, but would matter then to get the GE version over the Dev?
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They don't ship until July 9 so no one knows.
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hello00 said:
google is the only one who can update aosp devices..nobody else
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Not true..
This situation has been done before. The OG Droid (Sholes) was not a Nexus but ran vanilla software. Updates came but abit later. They came from Motorola.
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So as the interwebz suggest, 4.4.1 is right around the corner for the Nexus 5/GPE devices. Considering the fact that the VZW variant of the Moto X was on the bleeding edge of the Kit Kat OTA and got it before even the Nexus 4, do you think this is a trend that will continue? I'm interested to see what bug fixes there are and if the promised camera improvements will be aimed specifically at the Nexus 5, or perhaps broader improvements to the software. What do you guys think?
I don't think 4.4.1 will aim other devices. It will include fixes for Nexus 5 only IMO.
I'm worried about the next update. What if we can't get root?
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I'm worried about the next update. What if we can't get root?
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Then you buy a developer's edition.
natezire71 said:
I'm worried about the next update. What if we can't get root?
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This is one big reason I went for the Dev Edition... I'm too much of a tinkerer to fret over such unknowns. I mean it always comes eventually, but with Dev Editions you get instant gratification! Just need to flash stock recovery, accept the OTA, reflash custom recovery, re-root. BAM, done.
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I'm worried about the next update. What if we can't get root?
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I've been using an Android phone since 2.1.
By my quick count on Wikipedia, there have been 27 versions (including minor updates) of Android since 2.1.
I'm not aware of any Android version that was discovered to be unrootable.
I suspect you don't have to be too worried...
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Then you buy a developer's edition.
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Buy me one? I don't have that kind of money.
Furthermore, I have a Motomaker custom. I don't want to lose that.
kbluhm said:
This one reason I went for the Dev Edition... I'm too much of a tinkerer to fret over such unknowns. I mean it always comes eventually, but with Dev Editions you get instant gratification!
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I beat you by about 5 sec. But really, that's what this game has come to. If you want easy root and possibly romming, then dev editions are going to be the only way to go. Right now, I think moto is making that easier for us to do.
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I've been using an Android phone since 2.1.
By my quick count on Wikipedia, there have been 27 versions (including minor updates) of Android since 2.1.
I'm not aware of any Android version that was discovered to be unrootable.
I suspect you don't have to be too worried...
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I suspect you need to do more reading. Check up on what security features KitKat brought to our MotoXs.
Edit: I'm not so much worried about If you can root it, I'm worried about having it published. Jcase only rooted 4.4 because we were able to downgrade the bootloader. If that wasn't possible, I still don't think there would be root for the MotoX (non-dev).
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Buy me one? I don't have that kind of money.
Furthermore, I have a Motomaker custom. I don't want to lose that.
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You simply sell your subsidized phone and buy a dev edition. Can't help you about the moto maker though.
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I suspect you need to do more reading. Check up on what security features KitKat brought to our MotoXs.
Edit: I'm not so much worried about If you can root it, I'm worried about having it published. Jcase only rooted 4.4 because we were able to downgrade the bootloader. If that wasn't possible, I still don't think there would be root for the MotoX (non-dev).
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I suspect I've read plenty about KitKat. I know about the security features.
Jcase rooted 4.4 using the downgrade because an existing vulnerability was available. He explicitly stated that there was another vulnerability available and he just wasn't going to develop for it/reveal it. Vulnerabilities are always discovered.
What, you think Apple hasn't been trying to quash rooting for years now?
I'm just saying, I've been in IT for a long time. Exploits are discovered, workarounds are created. Root access is gained and life moves on.
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I suspect I've read plenty about KitKat. I know about the security features.
Jcase rooted 4.4 using the downgrade because an existing vulnerability was available. He explicitly stated that there was another vulnerability available and he just wasn't going to develop for it/reveal it. Vulnerabilities are always discovered.
What, you think Apple hasn't been trying to quash rooting for years now?
I'm just saying, I've been in IT for a long time. Exploits are discovered, workarounds are created. Root access is gained and life moves on.
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Of course, but what if it's never published? I'm not worried about the actual exploits. There will always be exploits. I'm only concerned with an awesome dev to publish it. Who else is working on the MotoX? So far, it seems like Hashcode and Jcase. If Jcase decides not to publish... Then what?
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Of course, but what if it's never published? I'm not worried about the actual exploits. There will always be exploits. I'm only concerned with an awesome dev to publish it. Who else is working on the MotoX? So far, it seems like Hashcode and Jcase. If Jcase decides not to publish... Then what?
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Well, there are never guarantees, of course... but given that virtually every version of Android on every phone attains root eventually, I'm just going to have some faith!
I think people may be putting too much faith in what devs can do based on what has been done.
4.4 has the potential to change things big time. dm-verity combined with a locked bootloader is going to be a beast to crack. Once a device ships from the factory with it enabled and a locked bootloader, I would not be expecting root on it anytime soon. Then you will have people asking why don't we just crack the key like they were when the GS3 came out. (answer: you will never ever crack the key. --Math)
As for using the idea that Apple has tried and never got it to stick, I'd say they haven't tried this hard.
Just as a sidenote, I don't think the SELinux and dm-verity additions in android are either bad or targeted at the modders out there. These are excellent steps in securing the OS, and shows that Google is serious about making devices trustworthy. The work they did on dm-verity is just great stuff. This is good for people who don't care about modifying their device and those who only buy devices with unlocked bootloaders, but not so good for people who have a locked bootloader, and are on either ATT or VZW, both of whom really don't want you to modify your device.
TL;DR - Buy a device with an unlocked bootloader, don't count on anything, past success is not indicative of future success.
I hope 4.4.1 brings an even better ART this time.
Seems like this update is pretty specific to the Nexus 5 as a camera fix. Not sure the Moto X will even see it.
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phippsy84 said:
Seems like this update is pretty specific to the Nexus 5 as a camera fix. Not sure the Moto X will even see it.
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Won't really know until the 4.4.1 source is published. Could be a lot of other stuff on the back-end that was updated/fixed that wouldn't really show up in a major changelog.
Nexus 4 received the update today too so it isn't nexus 5 specific.
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Won't really know until the 4.4.1 source is published. Could be a lot of other stuff on the back-end that was updated/fixed that wouldn't really show up in a major changelog.
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Very true
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Not only the N4 but the Nexus 7 LTE. SO... probably more going on than just camera
We’ll start the upgrade at beginning of 2015 for the core Xperia Z3 and Xperia Z2 series – continuing thereafter for all remaining devices above.
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...0-lollipop-will-come-to-all-z-series-devices/
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2014/10...d-5-0-lollipop-to-the-entire-xperia-z-series/
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http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...0-lollipop-will-come-to-all-z-series-devices/
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2014/10...d-5-0-lollipop-to-the-entire-xperia-z-series/
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and we are still stuck on 4.4.2 cmon sony
And we'll be one of the first two non-Google Play edition devices they update. Great news!!
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and we are still stuck on 4.4.2 cmon sony
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4.4.4 is on the table for us, it is only a matter of time before that is released to us. If they have waited this long to bring us 4.4.4 then there is obviously a good reason behind it. I'm expecting the bug fixes what the other devices got with their 4.4.4 updates along with a host of Z3 features. From Sony's viewpoint it is best to bundle them all into one update and get more hype behind it than to do two updates (the initial one to 4.4.4 and then a feature update) and not have the second update covered as much.
Good news.
This is probably part of the changes in Sony's strategy. Two things happened:
a) Sony changed its flagship strategy, indeed one flagship per year is the new strategy plus more value to the people that supported Sony till now by buying a new flagship every 6 months.
b) Android changes on how "vendor" apps are distributed. Vendors can in android 5.0 push apps via play store for different markets/customizations instead of creating hundred of firmwares one per customization. This make it much easier for internal development and distribution of new firmwares.
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Android changes on how "vendor" apps are distributed. Vendors can in android 5.0 push apps via play store for different markets/customizations instead of creating hundred of firmwares one per customization. This make it much easier for internal development and distribution of new firmwares.
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Could you post the source for this information ?
Good to see but will we as eta is still a time away. our only saving is that its under a year old and it seems that a year is the max for updates
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Good to see but will we as eta is still a time away. our only saving is that its under a year old and it seems that a year is the max for updates
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Sony has already confirmed all Z-series device will be updated. That include devices well over a year old.
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mzr7 said:
Could you post the source for this information ?
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It was communicated to the "android partners" but I can't post it. I'm pretty sure it will appear somewhere sooner than later
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It was communicated to the "android partners" but I can't post it. I'm pretty sure it will appear somewhere sooner than later
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Oh okay. For a second there I thought you were mixing the Android one program with this.
According to the Zimperium Stagefright detector app, my 2015 Moto X Pure is still vulnerable to cve-2015-3864. Anyone heard about an official fix?
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According to the Zimperium Stagefright detector app, my 2015 Moto X Pure is still vulnerable to cve-2015-3864. Anyone heard about an official fix?
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This is rectified in cm 12.1 as soon as we see roms we are all set. Soon enough grasshoppah. Jk lol
I use Chomp SMS, and they have a setting to protect from it.
YAATA has a setting to disable automatic MMS downloading. Textra also has a feature to prevent Stagefright, not sure if it's the same as not downloading it or what they do (I haven't used Textra for about 6 months), but they pushed it as a selling point on their Playstore page..... Chomp as well.
Basically, if you disable automatic MMS downloading (some apps have a "from unknown sender" setting) you should be pretty safe. Just know who's MMS you are downloading.
Nope, there are other attack vectors now. Audio and video files.
http://arstechnica.com/security/201...hones-are-vulnerable-to-new-stagefright-bugs/
Getting really fed up with all these vulnerabilities. The MXPE is a good phone and all, but one of these days I'll throw in the towel and get a Windows phone.
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Nope, there are other attack vectors now. Audio and video files.
http://arstechnica.com/security/201...hones-are-vulnerable-to-new-stagefright-bugs/
Getting really fed up with all these vulnerabilities. The MXPE is a good phone and all, but one of these days I'll throw in the towel and get a Windows phone.
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With all the hacks to Windows, you'lll get a Windows phone :silly: . Only reason Windows Phone is not exploited more is because there's just not enough people using it to attract more bad guys.
MXPE has been out a couple weeks. We'll be getting M soon and all this will be over. We'll keep getting updates too. So the cat and mouse game will continue.
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With all the hacks to Windows, you'lll get a Windows phone :silly: . Only reason Windows Phone is not exploited more is because there's just not enough people using it to attract more bad guys.
MXPE has been out a couple weeks. We'll be getting M soon and all this will be over. We'll keep getting updates too. So the cat and mouse game will continue.
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Considering it's been over 2 months since Stagefright was announced publicly (July 27) and brand new phones that have been released since then still don't have a fix, that's pretty bad IMO. MS would never let a critical bug go this long. But they don't have the problem of fragmentation.
Android fragmentation never really bothered me until now. Carrier and OEM delays for pushing fixes are ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather stick with Android. I don't like Apple and Windows is the only alternative I would consider.
Or maybe ditch the smartphone altogether.
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Considering it's been over 2 months since Stagefright was announced publicly (July 27) and brand new phones that have been released since then still don't have a fix, that's pretty bad IMO. MS would never let a critical bug go this long. But they don't have the problem of fragmentation.
Android fragmentation never really bothered me until now. Carrier and OEM delays for pushing fixes are ridiculous. Don't get me wrong, I'd much rather stick with Android. I don't like Apple and Windows is the only alternative I would consider.
Or maybe ditch the smartphone altogether.
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You may want to ditch all Smart Phones. Because if you really believe MS is always quick with updates to critical bugs. You are not following security news well enough. MS and others are known to wait even a year or more. And fail to release a patch, till the exploit they were first told about is published. And yes they are slow with some published exploits too. I recommend you start watching Steve Gibson on Twit.
MXPE was being produced and already had it's ROM. Now, updates will come. The only device that will come with the latest now that updates come monthly, are Nexus devices. Given they carry the latest Android OS first.
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Its been showing my device is affected by quadroot vulnerability when i scanned with zonealarm, how to solve the issue
chottu109 said:
Its been showing my device is affected by quadroot vulnerability when i scanned with zonealarm, how to solve the issue
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You and about 900 million other people. Every mobile device with a Qualcomm chipset is vulnerable and supposedly Qualcomm is working on it. So there's nothing you can do right now other than watch apps you sideload.
Thanks dear for ur fast reply, hop they will provide update soon,
I hope the manufactures stop using qualcomm and go to exynos. They perform better anyways.
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I hope the manufactures stop using qualcomm and go to exynos. They perform better anyways.
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Are you kidding me right now? I had to LOL at this. Exynos
Qualcomm chipsets and their sources are one of the main reason android development is so active. Exynos by Samsung is one of the most closed source chipsets ever (if not for MediaTek). They will NEVER share their sources unless its a flagship, but that too its a rare sight. Half the people on XDA avoid buying Exynos phones here because they can't put custom ROMs & kernels on it. And they perform better? Ask a guy owning a S5 how fast their phone is now. You'll get a nice answer.
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Are you kidding me right now? I had to LOL at this. Exynos
Qualcomm chipsets and their sources are one of the main reason android development is so active. Exynos by Samsung is one of the most closed source chipsets ever (if not for MediaTek). They will NEVER share their sources unless its a flagship, but that too its a rare sight. Half the people on XDA avoid buying Exynos phones here because they can't put custom ROMs & kernels on it. And they perform better? Ask a guy owning a S5 how fast their phone is now. You'll get a nice answer.
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There are plenty of roms for exynos based phones.
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Its been showing my device is affected by quadroot vulnerability when i scanned with zonealarm, how to solve the issue
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Security updates will solve all this....
Just hope to get them soon
Thankyou dear