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Android 4.3 officially announced by Google

http://techcrunch.com/2013/07/24/an...or-nexus-7-nexus-4-nexus-10-and-galaxy-nexus/
Seemingly we will get it in a "few days"
Live video is offline and google hasnt uploaded it yet, so here is a low quality one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU9i5SJf994

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZzS6BxHEns

So where is HTC and Samsung with their GE 4.3 updates? Day 1 and counting, curious if it will be days, weeks or longer.

RaptorMD said:
So where is HTC and Samsung with their GE 4.3 updates? Day 1 and counting, curious if it will be days, weeks or longer.
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It will probably take them at least a month (unfortunately)

The 'Very Soon' didn't really sound like 'In a couple days'. I may agree with above. About 2-4 weeks is my prediction (purely speculation)
If I bought a GE I'd almost feel like I got duped - considering the major selling point was the timely stock updates.

2-4 weeks is timely compared to how it works now.

bbedward said:
The 'Very Soon' didn't really sound like 'In a couple days'. I may agree with above. About 2-4 weeks is my prediction (purely speculation)
If I bought a GE I'd almost feel like I got duped - considering the major selling point was the timely stock updates.
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It does suck for those who actually got fooled with the GPe devices. It SHOULDN'T take them that long as they clearly have been working on it since the leaks have surfaced. I'm just ready to laugh when we see a partially working AOSP 4.3 build up before HTC releases the official OTA. :laugh:

killman2659 said:
It does suck for those who actually got fooled with the GPe devices. It SHOULDN'T take them that long as they clearly have been working on it since the leaks have surfaced. I'm just ready to laugh when we see a partially working AOSP 4.3 build up before HTC releases the official OTA. :laugh:
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That's what happend to Nexus devices in the past. Google is very fast this time tho.

Agggg
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That's what happend to Nexus devices in the past. Google is very fast this time tho.
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And here I am with the Developer Edition still on 4.21! Now that's a real dupe
if you ask me. Love the phone but the way HTC updates stinks. Nothing has
changed. This is my last HTC phone.
Meanwhile my wifes Nexus 4 is installing 4.3!
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cc999 said:
And here I am with the Developer Edition still on 4.21! Now that's a real dupe
if you ask me. Love the phone but the way HTC updates stinks. Nothing has
changed. This is my last HTC phone.
Meanwhile my wifes Nexus 4 is installing 4.3!
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Well it only has been a couple hours since they announced it. The whole point of the GE was to get updates similar to the Nexus devices and if HTC can at least release it this week i will be happy . If not, this (sadly) is my last HTC phone as i have had several bad experiences with them already (but that is a whole different topic).

My window to return is today, so I may opt to return it, in favor of waiting to see what the Moto X announcement will be.
If that turns out to be a mediocre device then I may just opt to hop back on the One.
My biggest issue is paying $640 and not getting updates for weeks, but as already said here, it's only been a few hours lol.

4.3 doesn't sound like much of an update. A lot of little stuff, not much of which will be apparent to the user unless you let your kids use your phone all the time.
How fast this gets rolled out to the GE phones is not something to get exercised about, IMO.

Argenist said:
My window to return is today, so I may opt to return it, in favor of waiting to see what the Moto X announcement will be.
If that turns out to be a mediocre device then I may just opt to hop back on the One.
My biggest issue is paying $640 and not getting updates for weeks, but as already said here, it's only been a few hours lol.
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To be honest i don't think the Moto X will be any better as far as updates go. It will most likely ship with 4.3, but it is also a big step back as far as specs go (according to the leaked spec sheets)

killman2659 said:
To be honest i don't think the Moto X will be any better as far as updates go. It will most likely ship with 4.3, but it is also a big step back as far as specs go (according to the leaked spec sheets)
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I dunno that new Moto SoC looks pretty nice

iElvis said:
4.3 doesn't sound like much of an update. A lot of little stuff, not much of which will be apparent to the user unless you let your kids use your phone all the time.
How fast this gets rolled out to the GE phones is not something to get exercised about, IMO.
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I mostly care about the performance improvements. Other than that i won't use any of the multi-user features (i think that is pretty much the only new "feature" added as everything else seems to be under the hood optimizations and/or improvements.)

Disregard.

gunnyman said:
I dunno that new Moto SoC looks pretty nice
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So far it is just rumors/leaks though. We will see soon enough but i am liking the on screen buttons and the rumored price points :good:

killman2659 said:
I mostly care about the performance improvements. Other than that i won't use any of the multi-user features (i think that is pretty much the only new "feature" added as everything else seems to be under the hood optimizations and/or improvements.)
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If there are perceptible performance enhancements, that's a different issue. But I guess we won't know until it starts rolling out.

henrybravo said:
I have singled you guys out in your quotes above. Where did Samsung and HTC ever say that the GE editions of their phones would get "timely updates" similar to Nexus devices? Just curious.
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I quote from the GPe web page:
Unlock the latest and greatest from Google with the best smartphone for you.
Booming audio and an awesome camera in a sleek package, now featuring the latest version of Android from Google.
The latest in Android.
The Google Play edition phones automatically receive updates of the latest Android software. Optimized for the latest apps, more storage for your content and a fast, clean user experience all come standard.
Always want the latest and greatest? Upgrade your handset with no carrier commitment or contract.
Edit: it may not be HTC/Samsung saying it directly, but it is in fact on the actual device page and it repetitively says you will have the latest and greatest updates from Google.

killman2659 said:
I quote from the GPe web page:
Unlock the latest and greatest from Google with the best smartphone for you.
Booming audio and an awesome camera in a sleek package, now featuring the latest version of Android from Google.
The latest in Android.
The Google Play edition phones automatically receive updates of the latest Android software. Optimized for the latest apps, more storage for your content and a fast, clean user experience all come standard.
Always want the latest and greatest? Upgrade your handset with no carrier commitment or contract.
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Thanks, I've edited my post. I found a few news stories as well about it. I hope it actually comes true.

Here Kitty Kitty!! #KitKat

https://plus.google.com/s/%23KitKat
http://www.android.com/kitkat/

this is kind of ridiculous. 4.3 just came out.
also, kit kat is a better name than key lime pie imo. i know they didn't really say much about this or its release date, but google, give us some time to bask in 4.3 goodness without having to say "i'm only going to have the newest version of android for 5 minutes"
one more thing: manufacturers, since you're lazy a-holes, skip any 4.3 updates unless you are actually competent enough to test and push the update. this will probably come out this fall (so in like a month or two)
this is android 4.4, not 5.0 like i thought. i am interested to see what this is going to be.
as most other android releases go, it probably will run on our fascinate. again, it's a wait and see thing.
THE LAST THING: This would be just fine if Google actually had control of the OS like Apple does. inb4 apple vs google, but you gotta admit, apple pushes out updates and all the devices that are listed to receive the updates get them. day one, no questions asked. with android, you don't get that unless you have a GSM Nexus phone, or a Nexus tablet.

Hope this will have some significant improvements to the fragmentation.
So what do you guys think Kitkat will bring to our phones? Its definitely not something huge because its not 5.0
Any thoughts? Oh and yes. Apple rules when it comes to updates. Thats one thing I'll like to se improved over the next few versions. And Samsung etc should join forces not wait months or years for updates! !!

ChampMEon said:
Hope this will have some significant improvements to the fragmentation.
So what do you guys think Kitkat will bring to our phones? Its definitely not something huge because its not 5.0
Any thoughts? Oh and yes. Apple rules when it comes to updates. Thats one thing I'll like to se improved over the next few versions. And Samsung etc should join forces not wait months or years for updates! !!
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vzw (best carrier ever for updates lol no and samsung didn't give us an official Gingerbread build until... December 1, 2011. Do you know what else was out on that date? it's a secret. guess. ice cream sandwich
yep. ics was already out and they gave us gingerbread. and what did samsung give all galaxy S owners for not giving them ICS. excuses! "the galaxy S doesn't have enough ram guize" my left foot. my fascinate runs jelly bean like a dream.
samsung is too full of themselves to join in on google goodness. look at the s3. that thing can totally run 4.2 or 4.3, but samsung doesn't give you those builds because they want money, not a long-lasting phone. that's the way of business. the sad way of business.

skepticmisfit said:
this is kind of ridiculous. 4.3 just came out.
also, kit kat is a better name than key lime pie imo. i know they didn't really say much about this or its release date, but google, give us some time to bask in 4.3 goodness without having to say "i'm only going to have the newest version of android for 5 minutes"
one more thing: manufacturers, since you're lazy a-holes, skip any 4.3 updates unless you are actually competent enough to test and push the update. this will probably come out this fall (so in like a month or two)
this is android 4.4, not 5.0 like i thought. i am interested to see what this is going to be.
as most other android releases go, it probably will run on our fascinate. again, it's a wait and see thing.
THE LAST THING: This would be just fine if Google actually had control of the OS like Apple does. inb4 apple vs google, but you gotta admit, apple pushes out updates and all the devices that are listed to receive the updates get them. day one, no questions asked. with android, you don't get that unless you have a GSM Nexus phone, or a Nexus tablet.
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Yeah well never blame Devs from google. It's the carrier and device brand. I understand what you mean, but there are far too many devices to optimize for unlike apple.
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KitKat for Fassy ! Itz heree ! :laugh:
*Check it out - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2521427 :good:

ObeyTheNoob said:
KitKat for Fassy ! Itz heree ! :laugh:
*Check it out - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2521427 :good:
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it's not entirely functional yet, but it's here and it does run moderately well

I tested that rom yesterday. It's quite nice- most everything that I tried worked, excepting only data. Even the google experience launcher was there! Once I get 10 posts I can try to post logcats.

Obeisance01 said:
I tested that rom yesterday. It's quite nice- most everything that I tried worked, excepting only data. Even the google experience launcher was there! Once I get 10 posts I can try to post logcats.
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Indeed ! Everything ran soo smooth I hope the data issue gets fixed soon .
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[Confirmed] Verizon Nexus 6 on March 12th with 5.1 - 5.1 for us too?

So according to this the Verizon Nexus 6 will come with 5.1 Lollipop. Does this mean that Motorola will rollout Lollipop to the DT around this time? And will it be 5.1 Lollipop?
Verizon's Nexus 6 could arrive very soon http://www.engadget.com/2015/02/27/verizon-nexus-6/ via Engadget Android
Update: Its been confirmed that the Nexus 6 will drop on Verizon tomorrow and with 5.1 Lollipop. No word on a locked down BL though.
Google's Nexus 6 will finally reach Verizon on March 12th http://www.engadget.com/2015/03/11/google-nexus-6-for-verizon/ via Engadget Android
While the Nexus 6 has been confirmed to have 5.1, no word has been given about the DT being upgraded to 5.1 or any other version of Lollipop as of yet.

So according to what?

Sorry forgot to attach the link - OP updated

I'm hoping we are updated by then, but I seriously doubt that it will be 5.1, most likely 5.0.2 which has been cycling through the Moto line.

kingersj1 said:
I'm hoping we are updated by then, but I seriously doubt that it will be 5.1, most likely 5.0.2 which has been cycling through the Moto line.
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5.1 is already out for limited devices. We may get 5.1 after all said and done

True, we most likely get 5.1, I just don't think this update. Most likely the next update, which should be faster once we are on lollipop.

GreaterLesser said:
So according to this the Verizon Nexus 6 will come with 5.1 Lollipop. Does this mean that Motorola will rollout Lollipop to the DT around this time? And will it be 5.1 Lollipop?
Verizon's Nexus 6 could arrive very soon http://www.engadget.com/2015/02/27/verizon-nexus-6/ via Engadget Android
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Motorola wont roll out anything the update will come from Verizon not Motorola.

sinclac said:
Motorola wont roll out anything the update will come from Verizon not Motorola.
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lol! Nope... Verizon just approves the Update.. Rest of the work is done by Motorola! IF you look at the Logcat you will see the link from where the Update is downloaded off n its the Motorola Servers...

Gundabolu SC said:
lol! Nope... Verizon just approves the Update.. Rest of the work is done by Motorola! IF you look at the Logcat you will see the link from where the Update is downloaded off n its the Motorola Servers...
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Keep dreaming, that update will come from Verizon just like all updates before, Verizon gets the update bloats the hell out of it and then releases it.

sinclac said:
Keep dreaming, that update will come from Verizon just like all updates before, Verizon gets the update bloats the hell out of it and then releases it.
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Nope... U think Verizon sits n adds bloat n release the software? Nope.... They give the apps that need to be added to Moto's software Developers... the Verizon framework is allover the System partition on the turbo, so its not just adding a bunch of apps its integrated deep... Then Motorola makes loads of builds with one build a day n test the siftware on prototype phones... Once they feel the software is stable enough then send it to Verizon for approval... If Verizon is not satisfied with the bloat, they reject it and Motos gotta start adding the bloat n test it out again...

Not holding my breath on any updates soon on the Turbo. This phone has been out for over half a year now with nothing in the works. For a near stock phone I'm not sure why it's taking a back seat to all of these other devices that are getting Lollipop. So much for my decision to go with a Motorola device because of a so-called quick update schedule.

m4rk0358 said:
Not holding my breath on any updates soon on the Turbo. This phone has been out for over half a year now with nothing in the works. For a near stock phone I'm not sure why it's taking a back seat to all of these other devices that are getting Lollipop. So much for my decision to go with a Motorola device because of a so-called quick update schedule.
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Nothing in the works eh? So there have been NO updates then?
Oh and its been 4 months, but what's rounding it up by another two gonna hurt? It makes it more dramatic.
Everyone wants Lollipop, but doesn't care that it is less stable than Kitkat. Lollipop is just another ICS repeat. ICS didn't start becoming truly stable until 4.1, which Google for some reason deserved a name change. It took forever for devices to update to ICS, and by the time some did, Jellybean was out. Lollipop is a full point release, and major Android overhaul. This is not a 4.0 -> 4.1 -> 4.3 -> 4.4 transition. This is a 4.4 -> 5.0 transition and major parts of Adroid have been reworked. It isn't just a theme. It hasn't been a smooth launch. Verizon is strict with their testing, and we all know that. They are not going to let an OS less stable than its predecessor pass testing on one of their flagship devices. Despite what you want to believe, the Turbo is their specific flagship and they will want it to be the most stable.
Hey, I want Lollipop too. However, Im willing to take the instability with it. Verizon apparently is not after seeing how it fared on the X. The truth has always been out there, no matter how much people want to ignore it: If you want the ultimate network and stability, you got Verizon. If you want bleeding edge software on your devices, you go elsewhere.
So to be frank, anyone who bought the Turbo expecting blazing fast updates should blame their own misconceptions.

You can get excited about two minor updates with imperceptible bug fixes but I'm referring to OS updates.

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You can get excited about two minor updates with imperceptible bug fixes but I'm referring to OS updates.
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Then you shouldn't be on Verizon. Verizon has had a few quick updates over the years, but it doesn't erase all the slow ones.
This is nothing new.
It sucks, but sometimes the bitter truth is what people need. I only stick with Verizon because I am potentially on call 24/7 and my phone at work is tied into my cell phone. I need a reliable carrier and due to where I live, where I travel, and where I work, Verizon is the most reliable.

adrynalyne said:
Then you shouldn't be on Verizon. Verizon has had a few quick updates over the years, but it doesn't erase all the slow ones.
This is nothing new.
It sucks, but sometimes the bitter truth is what people need. I only stick with Verizon because I am potentially on call 24/7 and my phone at work is tied into my cell phone. I need a reliable carrier and due to where I live, where I travel, and where I work, Verizon is the most reliable.
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By far most reliable for me. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the concept of XLTE or how it ties in with VoLTE but since the DT had it's second VoLTE update I haven't dropped one call and with XLTE I'm on LTE 97% even underground here in Chicago. And I make a lot of calls everyday. We all want updates as soon as possible but as long as what we have works then I can wait.

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Nope... U think Verizon sits n adds bloat n release the software? Nope.... They give the apps that need to be added to Moto's software Developers... the Verizon framework is allover the System partition on the turbo, so its not just adding a bunch of apps its integrated deep... Then Motorola makes loads of builds with one build a day n test the siftware on prototype phones... Once they feel the software is stable enough then send it to Verizon for approval... If Verizon is not satisfied with the bloat, they reject it and Motos gotta start adding the bloat n test it out again...
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Gundabolu is correct all Verizon does is test and certify the update. Motorola is the one to actually push it

Jweimn said:
Gundabolu is correct all Verizon does is test and certify the update. Motorola is the one to actually push it
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Does not change the fact that Verizon releases it, then it is pushed to us.

Chicken/Egg

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Does not change the fact that Verizon releases it, then it is pushed to us.
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No not at all nor does it change the fact that Verizon is slow to approve updates. I still feel this time around though that moto is being fairly slow at getting this update out but who knows

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No not at all nor does it change the fact that Verizon is slow to approve updates. I still feel this time around though that moto is being fairly slow at getting this update out but who knows
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Agreed, Verizon always seems to be the last to update.

Update Signs?

First off let me say I Do Not intend for this to be another whine thread....
Just wanted to reach out and see if anyone has had any signs of an update. I recall from one of the previous now closed threads started one user mentioned the 5th as being a possible date. Though seemingly arbitrary date the 5th is here.
People chime in if you get the notification!

Nothing for me yet.

It probably won't come out until the new Google phones do. I know it's difficult for flashaholics, but be patient.

Now I'm waiting for the September security update for Marshmallow, maybe it will be late too. They seem to be in a huge work.

This thread is the best sign.

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First off let me say I Do Not intend for this to be another whine thread....
Just wanted to reach out and see if anyone has had any signs of an update. I recall from one of the previous now closed threads started one user mentioned the 5th as being a possible date. Though seemingly arbitrary date the 5th is here.
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That's what intended mine to be, but it went south so fast! Lol no sign for me yet, I'm hoping maybe by tonight. It's REALLY behind said release date. Staying optimistic!

This is the only sign from Google I have seen.

Absolutely notting here. Not even the sept security update.

There will be a September in 2017,too

If I'm remembering the same post, a user speculated that the update would be tied to the September monthly security update. That seemed like pure speculation. I hope the updates are posted soon but I don't think today will be the day, since it is already the afternoon and a business holiday. Hope I'm wrong!

Hope it's soon.

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If I'm remembering the same post, a user speculated that the update would be tied to the September monthly security update. That seemed like pure speculation. I hope the updates are posted soon but I don't think today will be the day, since it is already the afternoon and a business holiday. Hope I'm wrong!
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Maybe tomorrow then, I forgot it was a holiday. What gets me is how they got everyone all riled up that it was gonna be in August, and it's gonna be out at the same time haha

Yeah Im ready for the official build too, this NPD90G preview wants me to want more, or at least some minor fixes.

No updates.............there will be speculations.
No speculations.....probably updates.

From what I've heard Qualcomm needs to do some driver upgrades for full Android N Support. If that is the case, it would explain why Google hasn't released the update yet, they simply can't until Qualcomm delivers. I can imagine Qualcomm has their hands full at the moment with all the smartphone companies out their requesting driver updates to support Android N as well.
I don't have any references for this, as I read it in a post somewhere but don't remember where. Don't take my word for it. But of course it would be interesting if someone could confirm or deny this.
I don't expect the update any time soon, but at least the latest beta runs very smoothly on my device. Can't complain at the moment.

Thats what has confused me DP5 runs well so id have thought it was near release quality but I guess not with the update taking so long. As far as qualcomm surely google should be the highest priority for drivers/updates given that they build the entire base that all other android phones base off? So an N driver for a specific SoC should work for all devices using that SoC?

I'm pretty satisfied with the Uber N ROM as is.

What @onemandivision said is correct, driver updates are critical. It's not just the kernel and the android base.
I'm a little confused by the delay though since it is already clear that phones on chips older than snapdragon 800/801 won't get nougat (ie 65-70% of all android phones according to some surveys), so there should be very few drivers to update/fine tune? Am I wrong?
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september update , my s7 edge still has the july update , samsung are dam slow pushing updates , my nexus 6 has the latest dev update but hope oneday soon the real 7.0 comes out.

New Marshmallow Image up... (MOB31E)

Will we get Oreo?

Does anyone know, or even think we will? What are your thoughts?

I wouldn't count on it. Samsung isn't the best at keeping their devices updated. If we are lucky enough to get it, it will certainly take a while. Knowing both Samsung and Verizon are slow about pushing their updates it will probably be MONTHS after other androids and even other S7s

I've seen news articles that feel we will get it. Usually Samsung will release two major OS upgrades per device. Nougat was the first. Oreo would be the second.
And not sure why you say they're not good at keeping their devices updated. I just today received the current security monthly patch and I've been getting them monthly. That's better than other devices I've had in the past (Motorola, LG).
BTW, this is my first Samsung smartphone. And so far, I've been very pleased with it. I used to root my devices in the past, but with this phone, I've had no reason to. For me, it performs well and I get sufficient battery life out of it.

I think yes.

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Does anyone know, or even think we will? What are your thoughts?
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Sure! this will be the second majority update base on source sammobile.com :highfive: