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this belongs in the androdev forum but i cannot post there so here goes,
word of warning NEITHER of these roms work both have process.android.phone has stopped, followed by, you have inserted a sim card you must restart phone, unless you know what you are doing stick to either aokp or cyano9 if you really want working ics.
counting down to cm10 XD
lol :banghead:
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lol :banghead:
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did you know: flashing non stock ROMs is evil anyway :silly:
no way,, didnt htc send out an apb saying that custom roms are kewl and sense sucks A**, damn mayhaps i should shrink back to froyo,,,, or i could not be a douchebag and actually tell people my experiences using ROMs to save people time and effort downloading things that dont work? (im not having ago at anyone i just cant stand people making pointless comments when im only trying to help) :good:
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no way,, didnt htc send out an apb saying that custom roms are kewl and sense sucks A**, damn mayhaps i should shrink back to froyo,,,, or i could not be a douchebag and actually tell people my experiences using ROMs to save people time and effort downloading things that dont work? (im not having ago at anyone i just cant stand people making pointless comments when im only trying to help) :good:
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sorry, no offense intended. But look: if you read through those threads you will find many people having problems (some ROM or bug related, some individually related to ppls setups or they mess things up whatever).
I guess a lot of people I know and read of here at XDA do exactly the same thing as I do: either having a good read through the whole thread or staying on the safe side by having a full nandroid backup or asking the people using the ROM or - what I most likely will do: all of that
In other words: all of those ROMs have issues - some might be minimal or even don't show up for most of the people while others can't even considered as an alpha release as important things simply don't work.
This has been the long story - like I said: no offense (but I won't drop my sarcasm, sorry).
And please...: This is NOT pointless. On top of the OP of the Gummy ROM even my grandma could read (in BIG letters):
Rom experiment (oh but wait... it's not in red... and not blinking... so probably he doesn't mean "experiment" - he just wrote that for fun... )
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furthermore if you really like to help it wouldn't hurt to be more specific. At least for Oxygen you should be aware of that there's another ROM (2.3.7) - could lead into confusion
To the op, see you in another 4 months when you open your next pointless thread..........
You only need 10 posts to post in the dev section which isn't that hard to get is it? Your already halfway there........
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usually im not the first to respond to a rom, at the time of the original post no one had given a response to oxygen (ics) and in the main thread someone asked if it was stable etc. Having tested and reverted (yes with my nandroid backup)i imparted MY experience with both as no one else seemed to bother. and in all fairness probs saved alot of people who have capped internet time and bandwidth.
yes im aware of the big EXPERIMENT sign, insulting my understanding of English is poor play, as you should know experiment explains NOTHING more than "this is a test" it does not go into what works and what doesnt (wonders how many people downloaded gummy since the 5th and were impressed till they got a phone call) someone asked a question and i replied.
i know i need to make ten posts to be able to post in dev,
just seems everytime i do i get abuse from a bunch of elitists,
like you didnt all start somewhere
peace
EDIT: if you look at the roms thread you will see the reply to "is it stable" is infact a link to this thread, so yes your comments were POINTLESS
lol more now :banghead: I'm getting headache with all my headbanging.
MokeeOs
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usually im not the first to respond to a rom, at the time of the original post no one had given a response to oxygen (ics) and in the main thread someone asked if it was stable etc. Having tested and reverted (yes with my nandroid backup)i imparted MY experience with both as no one else seemed to bother. and in all fairness probs saved alot of people who have capped internet time and bandwidth.
yes im aware of the big EXPERIMENT sign, insulting my understanding of English is poor play, as you should know experiment explains NOTHING more than "this is a test" it does not go into what works and what doesnt (wonders how many people downloaded gummy since the 5th and were impressed till they got a phone call) someone asked a question and i replied.
i know i need to make ten posts to be able to post in dev,
just seems everytime i do i get abuse from a bunch of elitists,
like you didnt all start somewhere
peace
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no worries - really - and yes "elitists" might of course match - as this is XDA Developers a place where most people aren't developers but elitists but it is not the Google Play Store (where you expect things to work and otherwise give a low rating and a negative comment). I appreciate that there are people over here (like you) who want to help - that's a good thing. On the other hand (almost) everything here goes over modding, hacking, tweaking, making your phone your own and I seriously doubt that many of the users here think you could try any of those custom ROMs without any risk. So to make it a bit clearer and to be absolute honest (hey and still no offense intended and really, really no worries): my personal opinion, my initial and very first thought when I did read your post was: this post is pointless. yup - that's all. Just take your time a few weeks (in case you like to participate - looks like you do) and you probably will understand what I mean...
OMG I'm already letting the troll out again... Like I said: all good - don't take it too serious
I understand, after 2+ years, that ROM development and the forums for the EVO are gonna slow down. Devs are going to move on to other devices, but there is a really disturbing trend here that is irritating the hell out of me.
ROMs used to be released as Aplha's Beta's RC's, final, etc. You could look at the OP and see everything about the ROM. Devs took their time crafting something unique.
Now, I'm seeing these ROMS come out at a rapid pace and I'm not liking it for several reasons.
1) Poorly written OP's that don't even list the Android base version or the kernel, etc.
2) The same ROM with different names and the only real differences are a few 3rd party apps, or a slight theme change.
3) ROMs released as finals, with a ton of bugs. I'm not talking about FFC, Netflix, 4G bugs on ICS/JB ROMS; I'm talking about ROMS with no Wifi, for example. The majority use WiFi. Why the HELL would you release something where one of the most important aspects doesn't even work?? It's like not paying attention to details is suddenly OK
Settings that don't stick. Sounds that don't stick. Constant System Process Errors. These are pre-release errors, and I don't see them getting fixed, because it's become like a race to port every other ROM from every other device and tweak to boot up on the Evo, then letting it go.
I REALLY wish I could take the time and learn how to properly cook up my own ROM. My OCD of paying attention to details would probably make it great.
Hipkat thats the best thing ive heard in weeks,someone finally speaking out about the BS thats being posted now days and its like everyones in a race to see who can come out with the most borked roms,lol,like you said,they are all the same,except the apps and some themeing and half of them cant do that either,i'm sure this isnt meant to be a bashing session,its just getting rediculous with the drama some are causing and all the crappy ass roms being released,some guys do know what their doing,theres been 1 or 2 that i've put out that i shouldnt have,but come on guys at least take your time and try to do it right,only takes a little common sense and effort.If you havent noticed,over half the members and devs have left because of the BS,when i started doing roms,it was fun,nows its just a big joke,lol.
I dont care if anyone gets pissed about this and i'm sure they will,but oh well life goes on,you will eventually get over it.
It's definitely not a bashing, but a call for Devs to take a little more time and do it right
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It's definitely not a bashing, but a call for Devs to take a little more time and do it right
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I don't Dev, Cook, Build, Port or whatever term is used so I have alot of respect for those that do. With that being said I would also state that I am in complete agreement with you and Diablo.
I look at damned near every topic started in the Dev forum just to see what is being made. I take weeks to look at a new ROM and follow the threads to see what comes of it (with the only exception being Mazda's new CAJB ROM. On that one I went with name recognition and am pleased that I did)
In regards to the mass influx of ROMs I'll say this: If you guys don't take the time to keep up with each item you produce, work on bugs, add new options, answer questions from the users then you'll soon find yourself out of favor. Your reputation here, just like in RL, is something of value. It takes very little to earn trust, respect and loyalty. Most people will always give you the benefit of the doubt. Do something to devalue that trust and it can be nearly impossible to regain.
I think some wisdom can be gleaned by the following quote:
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I've seen devs, chefs, hackers, w/e, that make statements like "I do this for myself and just choose to share" or things to that effect. I call BS. I won't speak for anyone else but myself when I say, I do this for the thrill of it, for the challenge, to learn, and to share. I'd be lying if I said I didn't care about d/l numbers or that seeing my thanks meter grow did not give me some juvenalalistic (is that a word?) thrill. The fact is, guys like me doing this stuff get off on it...
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We know why you do it, and if you want to keep your junkies and not lose your rep, then make sure you take the time to Develop your craft and thereby make a better product for the masses...
Sorry for the rant
Well said, and nice quote from Jamie, who, btw, you notice took a lot of time with Reloaded
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Well said, and nice quote from Jamie, who, btw, you notice took a lot of time with Reloaded
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...lol, 'nuff said!
I think everyone needs to remember the difference between Development and Port / Theme / Tweak / Mod. That simple labeling would be a start
Over in Evo LTE land, they have finally recognized this distinction by creating entirely separate forums for "HTC EVO 4G LTE Android Development" and "HTC EVO 4G LTE Original Android Development"
One is for tweaks or ports, and the other is for people who actually compile something.
I made a request for the same original dev section but got denied as our device is to old.
I agree that there are a ton of ports and not enough originality or bugs being fixed. What I would like to state us that the op is stating that a lot have some third party apps but that's like calling the kettle black. You yourself have a rerelease of a miui from where all you did was slap your team name in the thread. I believe the original thread still exists. I'm not calling you out at all but at the same time the work that goes into all these ports or mods or what not is a ton. I myself have my rom thread and some new stuff coming out but I don't call people out usually on their stuff unless its a pure kang(meaning an actual using of ur work with out permission) not a duplicate port.
Yeah some of the revs here could put a little more work in and for sure learn to organize their rom thread a whole hell of a lot better but at the same time who else do u see bringing the newest and best to a two year old device.
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It's not that they have 3rd party apps, all ROMS do, it's that some ROMS are just the same ROM with a few different 3rd party apps, or a slight variation in theming, and I mean real slight, but tbh, my biggest beef was with the OP not even listing what kernel is in the ROM, or if it has A2SD or a way to get it working, or the version of Android it's based on, etc.
Add in bug reports that get ignored or the person posting the report gets demeaned for it.
Mostly, it's just the sloppiness that I see going on over the last few months. Too hasty to release something without really perfecting it first
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It's not that they have 3rd party apps, all ROMS do, it's that some ROMS are just the same ROM with a few different 3rd party apps, or a slight variation in theming, and I mean real slight, but tbh, my biggest beef was with the OP not even listing what kernel is in the ROM, or if it has A2SD or a way to get it working, or the version of Android it's based on, etc.
Add in bug reports that get ignored or the person posting the report gets demeaned for it.
Mostly, it's just the sloppiness that I see going on over the last few months. Too hasty to release something without really perfecting it first
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I can agree with that there. sloppy op's without all the listings of what is added or taken out and what its running with a q & a section amoung other things.
I feel like we developers and porters alike should make a check list. Every time you want to post something, run through the list and then once everything is there, read again. If it seems like a business proposition (detailed, understandable, provocative and complete) then, that is the right moment to unleash it.
Thats exactly what i do,i make a list in notepad of what i want to do to the rom,then i go through and check it off as i go,wahla,i have a channelog,so to speak,then post it on the thread.Just like in my 4 Kornerz thread..... http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1612933
Same thing I'm gonna do as I try and update this MIUI GB ROM
What's funny is that the main reason I always hated opening ROM threads is because I'm completely OCD and feel like the posts have to make perfect sense. I try for my thread to make a little bit of sense at least at this point. And I try to keep change logs, bug reports & FAQs up to date.
But then again, I only have one ROM thread in this device section.
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Current Device: HTC EVO 4G LTE | ROM: toasted-deck CM10 | Kernel: Stock
Kernel should be listed.
a2sd included/not included AND if a specific version is known to work/not work.
Gapps included/not included (you can usually tell from the size of the ROM, but still)
SuperSU vs. Superuser
Wifi and data working/not working
Boot animation audio (can lead to uncomfortable moments when flashing in restrooms, in bed, around family or in TSA security lines--- yes, all personal experiences)
Probably much more...
RootzWiki kinda sorta tried to standardize some of that in OP headers. Would be cool to see that concept expanded in a visually pleasing manner. But, I know people like sprucing up their OP to their liking. Example:
Source: https://github.com/s...mmc-ra-recovery
Mod Type: Recovery Difficulty: Moderate Mod Status: Kang Mod Base: Carrier:
Requires Root: Yes Apply In: Fastboot Optional: Themed Optional: Android Version:
I think ports are great. If the developer is planning on just bringing it over and leaving it alone I think that's fine, but they should be upfront and say "Hey, I did this. Probably won't do any more with it myself, but anyone is welcome to add to it. Otherwise, enjoy."
What I'd really like to see is the people who respond first after an OP + OP reserved do something with that slot besides planting their flag of happening to be online at the right time (e.g. "First. Looks cool!"). They could take the lead, especially for very active developers with many ROMs and threads, to follow that thread and maintain an updated ROM Cheat Sheet/Known Fixes post. How many times have you followed the development of a ROM and things like the new boot animation didn't make it into the next update because the developer forgot. Then people post, "Hey, what happened to the boot ani" five or six times. Then a nice person posts it on Dropbox. Then a few people say other things. Then people repeat the question. Then people point them to the Dropbox link two pages back. Repeat. Repeat. Probably wouldn't matter though since a lot of people never read the OP. They sure wouldn't read that. I'll shut up.
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Kernel should be listed.
a2sd included/not included AND if a specific version is known to work/not work.
Gapps included/not included (you can usually tell from the size of the ROM, but still)
SuperSU vs. Superuser
Wifi and data working/not working
Boot animation audio (can lead to uncomfortable moments when flashing in restrooms, in bed, around family or in TSA security lines--- yes, all personal experiences)
Probably much more...
RootzWiki kinda sorta tried to standardize some of that in OP headers. Would be cool to see that concept expanded in a visually pleasing manner. But, I know people like sprucing up their OP to their liking. Example:
Source: https://github.com/s...mmc-ra-recovery
Mod Type: Recovery Difficulty: Moderate Mod Status: Kang Mod Base: Carrier:
Requires Root: Yes Apply In: Fastboot Optional: Themed Optional: Android Version:
I think ports are great. If the developer is planning on just bringing it over and leaving it alone I think that's fine, but they should be upfront and say "Hey, I did this. Probably won't do any more with it myself, but anyone is welcome to add to it. Otherwise, enjoy."
What I'd really like to see is the people who respond first after an OP + OP reserved do something with that slot besides planting their flag of happening to be online at the right time (e.g. "First. Looks cool!"). They could take the lead, especially for very active developers with many ROMs and threads, to follow that thread and maintain an updated ROM Cheat Sheet/Known Fixes post. How many times have you followed the development of a ROM and things like the new boot animation didn't make it into the next update because the developer forgot. Then people post, "Hey, what happened to the boot ani" five or six times. Then a nice person posts it on Dropbox. Then a few people say other things. Then people repeat the question. Then people point them to the Dropbox link two pages back. Repeat. Repeat. Probably wouldn't matter though since a lot of people never read the OP. They sure wouldn't read that. I'll shut up.
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LOL, you forgot 'Lather, Rinse...'
Who else clicked the link
While I agree with the OP 100%, I think at the end of the day there is NO rule that states that you need to do all that..... This is for FREE, and therefore we should be happy with we get on our EVO's nowadays..... I wish developers took their time to put a fully detail change log, bug list Q&A's section, but honestly if we don't like the way certain devs handle their threads, then just move on to the next Rom either way I don't develop, and I can figure out most stuff regarding a Rom by myself now, so I'm just thankful for all the roms out for the og EVO.
Edit: what I would like to know is what's going on with all the Rom teams flip flopping, what's up with that? Sorry to go off topic, lol.
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Sorry, but while I appreciate the freeness of the work done and am grateful for it, there should still be enough info to identify exactly what you're getting into.
Perfect example. A lot of ICS/JB ROMS require the patched A2SD file. Good luck finding it. Why not add a link to the OP?? Same with GAPPS
And the date that it was released is much appreciated, although not as critical. The Android version if it's a Sense and/or GB ROM is definitely something that should be there, along with the kernel.
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Edit: what I would like to know is what's going on with all the Rom teams flip flopping, what's up with that? Sorry to go off topic, lol.
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Two teams merged. Some people have left teams. I myself left td to not look partial towards a certain group.
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Hi All!
First, I would like to thank everyone here at XDA for helping me into the world of ROMs. I've barely scraped the surface and already love the whole process. A BIG thanks to the devs! I can't believe how much work they put into these things and then throw them up here for free (donations hardly account for the time and effort).
So anyways, on to the topic.
I have tested out a few roms but I am still hesitant to flash too hastily. I was wondering if anyone has tried a few of the AOSP varient roms (PA 3+, Slim Beam, AOKP Task650, PAC and CM 10.1) and which is providing the best battery life while remaining nimble. I am currently running PA 3+ and I am in love with Pie and Halo. I am aware that Halo is open source. I don't want to, but I could let go of Pie. So any ideas? I own a SGH-I337.
Again thanks XDA!
Cheers
Cody
ceichel said:
Hi All!
First, I would like to thank everyone here at XDA for helping me into the world of ROMs. I've barely scraped the surface and already love the whole process. A BIG thanks to the devs! I can't believe how much work they put into these things and then throw them up here for free (donations hardly account for the time and effort).
So anyways, on to the topic.
I have tested out a few roms but I am still hesitant to flash too hastily. I was wondering if anyone has tried a few of the AOSP varient roms (PA 3+, Slim Beam, AOKP Task650, PAC and CM 10.1) and which is providing the best battery life while remaining nimble. I am currently running PA 3+ and I am in love with Pie and Halo. I am aware that Halo is open source. I don't want to, but I could let go of Pie. So any ideas? I own a SGH-I337.
Again thanks XDA!
Cheers
Cody
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My two favorites have always been Task650's aokp and PA 3+
Task's ROMs have always been good to me on speed, stability, and battery life.. I have had mixed results depending on the device with PA 3+.. I tested PA 3.56 the other day but I'm waiting to flash again till a few more updates hit then we'll see
I'm currently on a touchwiz rom basically for the camera and ir blaster but again if I was going run aosp again (which I'm sure I will lol ) it will be one of those 2
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My two favorites have always been Task650's aokp and PA 3+
Task's ROMs have always been good to me on speed, stability, and battery life.. I have had mixed results depending on the device with PA 3+.. I tested PA 3.56 the other day but I'm waiting to flash again till a few more updates hit then we'll see
I'm currently on a touchwiz rom basically for the camera and ir blaster but again if I was going run aosp again (which I'm sure I will lol ) it will be one of those 2
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Awesome! Thanks for the quick reply. AOKP is the top runner of ROMs I wanted to try next. Is the battery life or performance noticeably better than PA 3+?
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Awesome! Thanks for the quick reply. AOKP is the top runner of ROMs I wanted to try next. Is the battery life or performance noticeably better than PA 3+?
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I'm not sure on the newer PA as I ran the first release for the s4 but I get about 13hrs from tasks aokp and around 15 hours on touchwiz ROM.. So for me I still consider that good but you'll have to see for yourself.. Every chip and every users use is different.. Also make sure you run each ROM you try for a few days.. Kernels take a few days to really settle in and start giving you optimum battery life
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I'm not sure on the newer PA as I ran the first release for the s4 but I get about 13hrs from tasks aokp and around 15 hours on touchwiz ROM.. So for me I still consider that good but you'll have to see for yourself.. Every chip and every users use is different.. Also make sure you run each ROM you try for a few days.. Kernels take a few days to really settle in and start giving you optimum battery life
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Thanks! Anyone else try CM 10.1 or slim beam?
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Thanks! Anyone else try CM 10.1 or slim beam?
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Many people have tried them. Read the threads and test them out. It all comes down to personal preference, which is why these types of threads are not allowed.
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Many people have tried them. Read the threads and test them out. It all comes down to personal preference, which is why these types of threads are not allowed.
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Oh. Sorry. Didn't see that in the thread rules. As I said I'm still a little nervous to flash hastily. /killthread
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Oh. Sorry. Didn't see that in the thread rules. As I said I'm still a little nervous to flash hastily. /killthread
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The only way to calm those nerves is to just read read read. And then bite the bullet and flash. You'll realize how easy it is once you actually understand what you're doing and not just listening to "customer reviews".
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Thanks! Anyone else try CM 10.1 or slim beam?
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I've got CM 10.1 running on mine and I like it. A few things I miss over stock but I'm sure they will be brought back. Although with the newest nightly release I am not having any trouble anymore. Battery life is pretty on par with stock, I'm sure I could adjust settings but I am still getting used to it. Reminds me of more of a computer setup which I like. Oh and I did a few tweaks on it and when connected to good internet it is lightning fast on the download/browser side and just fast and smooth in general.
As far as flashing it, it was a piece of cake.
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Many people have tried them. Read the threads and test them out. It all comes down to personal preference, which is why these types of threads are not allowed.
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i, for one, look for these type of threads if i've been away a while and want to find out what roms are most stable/popular right now. i never understood why this question was so taboo around here. not everyone wants to or has the time to read pages upon pages before we flash.
thank you to all the devs/testers/members for always making this such an amazing place
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i, for one, look for these type of threads if i've been away a while and want to find out what roms are most stable/popular right now. i never understood why this question was so taboo around here. not everyone wants to or has the time to read pages upon pages before we flash.
thank you to all the devs/testers/members for always making this such an amazing place
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So you don't have the time to read through a thread regarding a ROM that a dev took the time to make for you, but you have plenty of time to go and flash it? What a way to thank them that is. Cause saying "thank you to all the devs" is a cop out. And ending a post like that with that sentence is just a slap in the face to every one of those individuals.
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i, for one, look for these type of threads if i've been away a while and want to find out what roms are most stable/popular right now. i never understood why this question was so taboo around here. not everyone wants to or has the time to read pages upon pages before we flash.
thank you to all the devs/testers/members for always making this such an amazing place
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If there were hundreds of ROMs available for each device, I could understand allowing these type of threads. The simple fact is with only a (relatively) small selection, the debate of "which ROM is better" is just so independent of user habits and preferences that they really hold no merit. Look at how long the "Ford or Chevy" debate has been going on.... If you're looking for a ROM that has specific features such as PIE, or Halo; that just lowers the number of available ROMs pretty drastically. How time-consuming is it to read a ROM's OP, which usually shows known bugs, and then test-drive a few of the ROMs to see which you prefer? With the right apps, it shouldn't take more than 5 or 10 minutes to have a clean-flashed ROM feeling like you've been using it for days. As for rooted/stock TW, look at the mods that are included. If it looks appealing, try it out. The amount of ROMs available with specific features relative to other ROMs is so small that it really shouldn't take more than a week to determine which ROM(s) you prefer; battery life not withstanding. Notice I didn't say which one would become your daily driver or favorite As for battery life, user's definition of "heavy use" differs pretty greatly. I personally put my phone through some "heavy use" today; almost 2 hours screen-on time. To someone else that would be classified as moderate, etc.
My advice, which really doesn't amount to much of anything, but still.... pick your ROM the same as you would pick your device; which choice provides (in good working condition) the features I want most? Second choice would be "Out of the ROMs which provide the specific features I want, from which ROM did I notice the best battery life?"
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So you don't have the time to read through a thread regarding a ROM that a dev took the time to make for you, but you have plenty of time to go and flash it? What a way to thank them that is. Cause saying "thank you to all the devs" is a cop out. And ending a post like that with that sentence is just a slap in the face to every one of those individuals.
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not sure why you're so sensitive about this buddy....
you have to understand that not all of us are on the same level here. i have been a member of this community for 7 years now...longer than many. but i can't keep up with probably 90% of the users on this board. for me, i am just never going to be able to keep up to date on everything currently going on in dev world. It takes me MANY hours when i come back to the board to find something out, flash a rom, pick a new phone, etc. i just do not have time to really read through every thread on every rom i am considering. i'm not a high enough user or up to date enough that when i read about one phone has from another i will understand what is different. so the only way i can really "get" what is a good rom, is by reading in a thread like this. call my praise a cop out, but i do appreciate this community and it's dev's more than you know, and i don't feel reading a 100 page thread is the way to show appreciation.
I completely understand both sides of this argument. I think we should respect the devs whole heartily. But what's the matter with getting some personal opinions from a few other users? Maybe create a thread specifically from ROM reviews. I have done a considerable amount of reading and as I said I feel that I have barely scratched the surface. This is a process with a steep learning curve and I believe it should be a main purpose of a forum devoted to android and development that people should be able to ask other users their opinion. I will not create part such as this any more because it is not allowed, but I do not see the harm.
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you said one word in your post that is exactly the type of word that i think is why people do NOT like these kinds of threads: REVIEWS.
and i get that. all of these devs work hard and they put a lot of themselves out there for the world....to potentially be judged, to some extent, by noobs like us, that don't know any better, and couldn't do any better. And yes, some devs are ahead of others, but this forum has always been gracious and respectful to ALL devs and all dev work. And i have seen threads with polls of which users use which rom, and i think having some roms out there to just be judged, bashed, or ignored, is partly why the community disapproves of any thread that might "discuss" a which ROM is best type of conversation. I think there is a way to do it and still be very helpful to some, and more importantly, respectful to all.
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I completely understand both sides of this argument. I think we should respect the devs whole heartily. But what's the matter with getting some personal opinions from a few other users? Maybe create a thread specifically from ROM reviews. I have done a considerable amount of reading and as I said I feel that I have barely scratched the surface. This is a process with a steep learning curve and I believe it should be a main purpose of a forum devoted to android and development that people should be able to ask other users their opinion. I will not create part such as this any more because it is not allowed, but I do not see the harm.
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A thread which reviews different ROMs sounds good in theory. A one-stop place to quickly scan through the pro's and con's of each ROM and read what other users are saying about each ROM does seem like a good idea. But think of 2 weeks from now; when most every ROM has posted an updated version, merged new changes, fixed certain bugs, introduced new bugs, and added new features. Within a month's time it would become so cluttered and disjointed that new members/device owners would just post a new thread asking the same exact question because it's faster than reading through 100 pages of the original topic. A ROM review thread would almost certainly be just like each individual ROM's development thread put into one place. Way too long to read, one user complaining, a handful echoing the complaint, another handful giving praise, etc.
On an unrelated note, if I remember correctly, there is a thread here on the AT&T side saying something like "Noob friendly, no question too stupid" or something. Instead of posting new threads about the same tiresome topics, why not find a relevant thread and post the question there? Example: if you want clarification on how to root your device, post it in an already established rooting thread. If you want to know which recovery is best or suggestions on what ROM to flash, try a noob-friendly "ask any question" thread.
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A thread which reviews different ROMs sounds good in theory. A one-stop place to quickly scan through the pro's and con's of each ROM and read what other users are saying about each ROM does seem like a good idea. But think of 2 weeks from now; when most every ROM has posted an updated version, merged new changes, fixed certain bugs, introduced new bugs, and added new features. Within a month's time it would become so cluttered and disjointed that new members/device owners would just post a new thread asking the same exact question because it's faster than reading through 100 pages of the original topic. A ROM review thread would almost certainly be just like each individual ROM's development thread put into one place. Way too long to read, one user complaining, a handful echoing the complaint, another handful giving praise, etc.
On an unrelated note, if I remember correctly, there is a thread here on the AT&T side saying something like "Noob friendly, no question too stupid" or something. Instead of posting new threads about the same tiresome topics, why not find a relevant thread and post the question there? Example: if you want clarification on how to root your device, post it in an already established rooting thread. If you want to know which recovery is best or suggestions on what ROM to flash, try a noob-friendly "ask any question" thread.
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Well said. I'll check out the mentioned thread. Thanks!
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ceichel said:
Thanks! Anyone else try CM 10.1 or slim beam?
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Love slimbean loyal user ran it on my last 3 devices use it current very stable if u like the smaller DPI like I do its great and never seen a bug that wasn't an upstream issue
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Well according to the following Blog Post from the LineageOS Team posted today...
https://www.lineageos.org/Changelog-17/
The last category titled:
"Introducing LOSCoins: our new revolutionary disruptive game-changer"
It has to be another "April Fools" from the Lineage Team!!!
As the saying goes... "Fool me once..." LOL!!!
We all remember April 1st 2017's Announcement of the Mascot from the following Blog Post. HA-HA!
https://www.lineageos.org/Announcing-our-Mascot/
Too bad we can't throw some eggs or Toilet Paper the folks on the Lineage Team!
HAPPY EASTER EVERYONE!!!
~Ibuprophen
How to remove that "genuine" notification?
Please, don't add such stupid pranks into the roms.
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Please, don't add such stupid pranks into the roms.
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Seriously. How the **** do I clear this idiocy off the tablet?
deejayjaytay said:
Seriously. How the **** do I clear this idiocy off the tablet?
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To get rid of the april prank:
Add to build.prop
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Delete the LOSCoins folder in system/app
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To get rid of the april prank:
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Oh, FFS. What the hell were these guys thinking?
I like to think I have a reasonable sense of humor and enjoy a good joke as much as the next person. Unfortunately, this doesn't impress me as a very good joke. I guess the moral of the story will be to ignore a few LOS updates every year before and after April 1 and let some folks get it out of their systems. Last year's mascot thing was kind of entertaining. This was a bit much, in my opinion, and if you are one of the folks who just thought this was funny as all get out and one of the best things since sliced bread, well, you are equally entitled to your opinion, I guess. Re-flashing the previous .zip takes care of it very easily. But, if Lineage developers want to be taken a bit more seriously with respect to who uses their ROMs and for what purposes, this is not exactly helpful. I don't suppose One Plus or Essential are releasing their own "spoof ROM" nor are Samsung, LG, Huawei, etc.... As the saying goes: "you never get a second chance to make a first impression."
I'm fine with most of April Fools pranks, but guys, seriously? Jokes about security are never a good idea, especially these days, when unwanted bitcoin mining scripts and virus-infested software is around every corner...
This was in extremely poor taste.
The part in the blog post - not quite unbelievable enough to be obviously a joke and placed alongside very real project updates - was questionable at best.
But the big scary warning baked into the ROM patch completely crosses the line. Flashing roms in general - even established ones like LineageOS - always comes with risks, so those of us who delve into that are always a bit nervous when changing something. You nearly gave me a heart attack.
On top of that:
- There's nothing indicating it's a joke, even after digging around. Even on lineageos.org! It wasn't until I found this forum thread that I relaxed some.
- There's no way to clear the notification? So I just get this persistent, useless notification until the next patch?
- Someone above mentioned that you could remove it by digging around in your system files and deleting a directory. So I found myself in recovery mode, poking through dangerous areas of my file system looking for the (hopefully) correct thing to delete, to get rid of a prank that was put in there on purpose.
Not cool, guys. You're better than this.
Please keep in mind that I am not a Lineage Developer or Representative in any way.
I just posted this to share it with you and was Hoping that it was an April Fools joke.
Last year's indicator for their April Fools joke was when they edited the announcement and added it to that Blog Announcement that it was a joke.
I'm hoping that they do this years any day because I would, personally, be questioning this if a week or so passes by without announcing the joke (if it is one).
I really don't like this myself and, if it was true, I would strongly preferred them to spend that time in working on something like the old CMTE for LineageOS though they did release the API's for Theming.
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Ibuprophen said:
Please keep in mind that I am not a Lineage Developer or Representative in any way.
I just posted this to share it with you and was Hoping that it was an April Fools joke.
Last year's indicator for their April Fools joke was when they edited the announcement and added it to that Blog Announcement that it was a joke.
I'm hoping that they do this years any day because I would, personally, be questioning this if a week or so passes by without announcing the joke (if it is one).
I really don't like this myself and, if it was true, I would strongly preferred them to spend that time in working on something like the old CMTE for LineageOS.
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I share your hope that it is nothing worse than a (really BAD) joke. If not, I could see lots of folks, self included, looking elsewhere for their next ROMs. It seemed fairly obvious from the user interactions that it was a hoax, and as I mentioned, re-flashing the previous zip file cleared it up straight away (and none of the "actual" changes dated 01 April were anything I personally needed anyway). Thank you for taking the time to make the initial post. I know that when I first started with CM and flashing was a new and intimidating experience, something like this would have probably sent me running and not looking back.
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I share your hope that it is nothing worse than a (really BAD) joke. If not, I could see lots of folks, self included, looking elsewhere for their next ROMs. It seemed fairly obvious from the user interactions that it was a hoax, and as I mentioned, re-flashing the previous zip file cleared it up straight away (and none of the "actual" changes dated 01 April were anything I personally needed anyway). Thank you for taking the time to make the initial post. I know that when I first started with CM and flashing was a new and intimidating experience, something like this would have probably sent me running and not looking back.
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If this... was real it would have been a better idea as an optional addon than implementing it in their releases.
I can just imagine the kickback this would cause not only on the XDA forum but, elsewhere too.
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If this... was real it would have been a better idea as an optional addon than implementing it in their releases.
I can just imagine the kickback this would cause not only on the XDA forum but, elsewhere too.
As you know, getting any genie back into the bottle is usually a bit of a challenge. I can just imagine the kickback this WILL be causing, which is a shame. It would seem that someone wasn't thinking too clearly. I have been rather satisfied with the Lineage ROMs I use in a few different devices, and would actually be willing to (gasp) PAY a reasonable sum for them if need be, but not if this sort of thing is going to be serious. Still, I doubt they shall feel a need to close up shop over my reactions to anything they do.
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Is there a way to clear this notification without flash previous build, or mess around with system files?
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Doesn't appear so. Completely dumbfounded that anyone thought this was a good idea.
https://review.lineageos.org/#/c/210677/
"If you want to disable the persistent notification, run this command from a root shell (such as adb root / recovery or terminal app) `setprop lineage.persist.nofool true` and reboot the device
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Doesn't appear so. Completely dumbfounded that anyone thought this was a good idea.
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Don't mention that around here, they seem to think it's all in good fun. Don't seem to see that crypto mining viruses and spyware are real things, and to put up some persistent "joke" isn't in good taste.
The Lineage Team just added the following words to the "LOSCoins" category of their Blog Post...
The following section was our yearly April Fool’s joke. It will be included in builds through 2018-04-08.
You can see it on the same (following) link as the original Blog Post...
https://www.lineageos.org/Changelog-17/
I understand the panic some individuals (admittedly a bit on my part as well).
They are getting better at this and I can't imagine how much better they will get as time goes on.
YOU GOT ME LINEAGE GUYS!!! LMAO!!!
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I actually found the joke funny. With all this coins hype around, it's well designed.
So there's a lot of people feeling cool by flashing their phone with weekly builds but feel outraged by an april fool joke by those devs who let them feel cool. Isn't it ironic?
Keep on with your wonderful work devs, and enjoy! Thanks!
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Interesting Perspective
ebaschiera said:
I actually found the joke funny. With all this coins hype around, it's well designed.
So there's a lot of people feeling cool by flashing their phone with weekly builds but feel outraged by an april fool joke by those devs who let them feel cool. Isn't it ironic?
Keep on with your wonderful work devs, and enjoy! Thanks!
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Well, if Lineage only had 2,000 users instead of approximately 2,000,000 (and that doesn't include all of the unofficial versions) and was not interested in being taken seriously, I would be more inclined to agree with you. As an "inside joke" to a technically sophisticated audience who will recognize it and know how to dismiss it with no strain, it could be considered amusing. But not every joke scales up to be universally appealing to a large audience. The other question that you might want to consider is how far such a joke can be allowed to go. If instead of just annoying notifications, it wiped all of your data and trashed your NVRAM, taking with it your IMEI device data and leaving you with a bricked paperweight, would that be funny? Probably not.
Instead of this ill try to post MY LineageOS rom for Mi Max 3 sooner than I expected
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Really!? Because it boots on another Xiaomi device you decide to post it here...!?
The XDA Mi Max 3 forum gets worst and worst every day... It's neck to neck with Xiaomi official forum already... What a shame...
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Really!? Because it boots on another Xiaomi device you decide to post it here...!?
The XDA Mi Max 3 forum gets worst and worst every day... It's neck to neck with Xiaomi official forum already... What a shame...
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I think such reply is uncalled for @nijel8. However true your reply may appear to you, It neither inspire people here to do better nor yield better understanding.
I would suggest that you start your own thread and exemplify what XDA should be. If people here find your way to be better, then hopefully they will follow suit.
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I will update the thread with every patch / fix or new working installation process that you guys are going to post
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Will be waiting for it. I've heard that OxygenOS really is a good ROM.
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I think such reply is uncalled for @nijel8. However true your reply may appear to you, It neither inspire people here to do better nor yield better understanding.
I would suggest that you start your own thread and exemplify what XDA should be. If people here find your way to be better, then hopefully they will follow suit.
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Have you red the flashing instructions? Ridiculous... I can't waste 1GB of my mobile data to take a look but I am pretty sure this is a TWRP backup from mido device and the fact that it boots straight to fastboot after restore it even includes mido boot partition with mido kernel!!! Now tell me how ridiculous this thread is... Oh, and this is not the first time this OP posts guides and stuff of this nature...
Users comes to XDA for help from knowledgeable people and they trust the information they read here. When misinformation, misguides and alike from people who don't have basic knowledge about Android development and how things works in general then how are we better from anything else out there...
We used to have those people who misrepresented themselves as advanced users throwing "advices" and roms and stuff from all over the Internet back in the Max 1 days but they disappeared very fast after publicly exposed from guys who knows better. I hate it when people gets advantage of the poor user!
BTW not to give any hopes but you will see soon what XDA is really about... Like this weekend soon(I hope...)
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Have you red the flashing instructions? Ridiculous... I can't waste 1GB of my mobile data to take a look but I am pretty sure this is a TWRP backup from mido device and the fact that it boots straight to fastboot after restore it even includes mido boot partition with mido kernel!!! Now tell me how ridiculous this thread is... Oh, and this is not the first time this OP posts guides and stuff of this nature...
Users comes to XDA for help from knowledgeable people and they trust the information they read here. When misinformation, misguides and alike from people who don't have basic knowledge about Android development and how things works in general then how are we better from anything else out there...
We used to have those people who misrepresented themselves as advanced users throwing "advices" and roms and stuff from all over the Internet back in the Max 1 days but they disappeared very fast after publicly exposed from guys who knows better. I hate it when people gets advantage of the poor user!
BTW not to give any hopes but you will see soon what XDA is really about... Like this weekend soon(I hope...)
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I agree that misinformation and misguides are not really helping, and may even cause confusion to most people. However, the OP was actually honest with his observation and goal for this thread. And isn't that part of learning experience?
Anyways, I'm hopeful that you'll also be able to come up with a reliable custom rom just like on mi max. Till then, I believe encouraging others to experiment will yield better results in the long run, not just for the community but for the person him/herself.
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