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http://www.iouppo.com/lite/pic/93c9ada2ad4d20f983f3269bdb10c7c9.jpg
http://www.iouppo.com/lite/pic/96d317dc32e75853bb8d9418736807de.jpg
http://www.iouppo.com/lite/pic/15c6e2c354905a9300da277dc6326ec5.jpg
http://www.iouppo.com/lite/pic/fa4fb57af7c61c23e5831db6ac39f6b7.jpg
What do you think?

faby71 said:
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http://www.iouppo.com/lite/pic/15c6e...7dc6326ec5.jpg
What do you think?
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I think your links don't work.

Yes... File not Found is all I get too.

Beards said:
Yes... File not Found is all I get too.
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Link update

faby71 said:
Link update
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No... Still showing file not found.

Beards said:
No... Still showing file not found.
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Link 1° post work!!!

faby71 said:
Link 1° post work!!!
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Where did you bought it?

Wow, very nice!

xazac said:
Where did you bought it?
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swiss

faby71 said:
swiss
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Ah, so bad! xD

Soooo much noise and artifact in those shots, resolved detail not very good either.
That said, looks like HTCs best camera ever (apart from perhaps the Mozart with its Xenon Flash, but I haven't seen many examples from that handset yet).

I think that mobile phones' cameras are not for the ones who are obsessed with photo quality.
I am sure long years I will prefer to carry a DSLR camera even though I have got a 8 mp camera integrated phone.

i agree buying a phone based on its camera is silly, the only time i have ever used my phone camera was when i got a parking ticket so i took photos of the signage and my car wrote a letter to the council and got off without having to pay
if i know im going to take photos i just take my DSLR

NZtechfreak said:
Soooo much noise and artifact in those shots, resolved detail not very good either.
That said, looks like HTCs best camera ever (apart from perhaps the Mozart with its Xenon Flash, but I haven't seen many examples from that handset yet).
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Yes, I agree.
However, what I am finding is the DHD does not leave much EXIF data.
Below is what is missing when shown in PhotoMe which is shown on the SGS:-
Under Overview
Aperture
Exposure Time
Program Mode
Flash Mode
Metering Mode
White Balance
Under Image
Orientation of Image
Software Firmware
Under Thumbnail view
Nothing. There's no section!
Under Camera
Exposure Time
F-Stop
Exposure Program
Shutter Speed
Aperture
Brightness
Exposure Bias
Maximum Lens Aperture
Metering Mode
Light Source
Flash Details
Manufacturer Notes
Sensing Method
Scene Type
Exposure Mode
White Balance
Digital Zoom Ratio
Focal Length in 35mm Film
Scene Capture Type
Contrast
Saturation
Sharpness

eozen81 said:
I think that mobile phones' cameras are not for the ones who are obsessed with photo quality.
I am sure long years I will prefer to carry a DSLR camera even though I have got a 8 mp camera integrated phone.
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Nice

More photos..............

Any chance in taking an evening shot (sunset/sunrise) without flash.
Also if possible another two low light shots with and without flash (basically the same shot for comparison on how well the camera handles low lighting with & without a flash).
Cheers.

Ouch those shots are really poor in terms of quality, noise, too strong noisereduction, chromatic abberation and hell everything.
I'm afraid Nokia N8 wins this round.
/ Magnus

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eozen81 said:
I think that mobile phones' cameras are not for the ones who are obsessed with photo quality.
I am sure long years I will prefer to carry a DSLR camera even though I have got a 8 mp camera integrated phone.
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You don't need to be obsessed with photo quality to demand more from your mobile phone camera than the Desire HD is offering though. For many of us the camera is quite an important consideration because day to day photography with our phones is part of our regular use (most of us don't carry a DSLR all the time, eh?). Its nice to have shots that are 'good enough' for that kind of casual photography, and many other non-HTC phones offer that.
I won't, and haven't ever, based a decision to buy a phone solely on the camera, but certainly its a consideration, more important for some of us than others (but you can't dictate to others how they come to a decision to get a phone or not).

Image Compression! Let us express!

With a quick searched on the internet, I noticed that the Galaxy S4 has a sensor camera equivalent / equal Xperia Z, but your pictures are generated with 4Mb to 6.5MB, while the Xperia Z is 1Mb to 2.5Mb.
Follow the link to get an idea of the difference image!
We must inform Sony that we are completely unhappy with the image compression!
http://samsung.hdblog.it/2013/04/17/samsung-galaxy-s4-test-fotocamera-da-13-megapixel-by-hdblog/

BR4DOKYBrazil said:
With a quick searched on the internet, I noticed that the Galaxy S4 has a sensor camera equivalent / equal Xperia Z, but your pictures are generated with 4Mb to 6.5MB, while the Xperia Z is 1Mb to 2.5Mb.
Follow the link to get an idea of the difference image!
We must inform Sony that we are completely unhappy with the image compression!
http://samsung.hdblog.it/2013/04/17/samsung-galaxy-s4-test-fotocamera-da-13-megapixel-by-hdblog/
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First off, replace "we" with "I". Second, SGS4 uses an unknown sensor with the same megapixel count as the Sony Exmor sensor, but then megapixels mean nothing anyway. Also, while there is a big discrepancy in file size, there is a not very big discrepancy in photo quality while zoomed in (compare photos at http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s4_vs_sony_xperia_z-review-915p8.php) if you look at image sharpness and ignore colour saturation and that sort of things. I don't see why the XZ photo file sizes should then be doubled just because the SGS4 has larger photo sizes.

compression isn't bad, in my opinion

its the same sensor.check anadtech s4 dissasmbly.by the way they are using same sensor with different module.i dont have a Z or S4 to talk about quality though

The images quality will much much more better if Sony reduce the compression, or at least let user decide jpeg quality.

I think the issue isn't about compression but denoise algorythms.
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OH GUYS !
Sony have a answer :victory:
Read the answer here i hope now they will optimize the Camera :
http://talk.sonymobile.com/thread/126134

dubist said:
OH GUYS !
Sony have a answer :victory:
Read the answer here i hope now they will optimize the Camera :
http://talk.sonymobile.com/thread/126134
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Let's hope that there really is an improvement on the camera!
I remember when I bought my Xperia S, the first fw the camera was bad enough, but the latest updates have improved a lot!

Please vote in my research, so I can present the results to Sony!

What research??

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What research??
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2232999

Guys, look this: http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/04/1...against-the-galaxy-s4-and-htc-one/#more-14312

I don't know if this related, but Sony recently applied heavy processing and compression to picture using there DSLR.
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BR4DOKYBrazil said:
Guys, look this: http://www.xperiablog.net/2013/04/1...against-the-galaxy-s4-and-htc-one/#more-14312
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yeah i write them an Email that they should Post something and you have done that :victory:
Here the Email i wrote to Xperiablog

Its a combination of both compression (jpeg) and noise suppression (when using high ISO)
The amount of compression/suppression applied is ridiculous.
Does the "developers" of the cam part know anything about digital photography at all?
Paying premium for a low end camera....Sony think the customers are stupid?

Bromsoket said:
Its a combination of both compression (jpeg) and noise suppression (when using high ISO)
The amount of compression/suppression applied is ridiculous.
Does the "developers" of the cam part know anything about digital photography at all?
Paying premium for a low end camera....Sony think the customers are stupid?
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No, Sony is smart enough to know that your phone is not meant to take DSLR quality photos.
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pandaball said:
No, Sony is smart enough to know that your phone is not meant to take DSLR quality photos.
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Who is talking about DSLR quality?
It not even half descent by todays phone standard...

Bromsoket said:
Who is talking about DSLR quality?
It not even half descent by todays phone standard...
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Define "today's phone standard". It is one of the better phone cameras out there, as compared to phones like the HTC One. It takes absolutely brilliant shots of landscapes in my experience (borrowed a friend's XZ just to play with the camera)

pandaball said:
Define "today's phone standard". It is one of the better phone cameras out there, as compared to phones like the HTC One. It takes absolutely brilliant shots of landscapes in my experience (borrowed a friend's XZ just to play with the camera)
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oh sorry, i should have said yesterday's standard.
Now go get your Arc, XPS, XPV and compare

Bromsoket said:
oh sorry, i should have said yesterday's standard.
Now go get your Arc, XPS, XPV and compare
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With pleasure. (both are done on auto/superior auto respectively)
Xperia Arc: ~2.5MB, super long exposure times and thus overexposed images
Xperia V: ~2MB, slightly oversaturated blues
No XS though
But seriously, XZ is pretty darn good for the file size already.

Xperia z1 camera-sony what is this?

Xperia Z1 CAMERA!!!!
Better image quality with 3MP than 8MP
Today I was playing with the camera on the Z1, but most of the attention I spoke to the resolution
3MP VS 8MP
On pictures with 3MP noticed the following:
less noise!
less artifacts!
much sharper images, especially in weak lighting conditions!
TEST (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) DAYLIGHTS
TEST 1
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pixel bining from 20MP, read it up.

Probably because 3mp captures less detail, so you see less artifacting/noise

Sure. On your screen.
Print it as wallpaper and miss the pixeles...
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The calculation is simply. The size of the sensor can acquire a certain quantity of light then if you use 8mpx or even 20mpx, for the sensor is too much so he have to recover the definition with huge processing and in this case you will see on the pictures all this kind of artifacts and noise, but when you use 3mpx the sensor is even much more and then you see amazing quality colors and nice pictures but just when you zoom a bit into the picture you will see the distortion because of less pixel density. That 20mpx or 8mpx is just to much for the sensor of Z1.

eclyptos said:
The calculation is simply. The size of the sensor can acquire a certain quantity of light then if you use 8mpx or even 20mpx, for the sensor is too much so he have to recover the definition with huge processing and in this case you will see on the pictures all this kind of artifacts and noise, but when you use 3mpx the sensor is even much more and then you see amazing quality colors and nice pictures but just when you zoom a bit into the picture you will see the distortion because of less pixel density. That 20mpx or 8mpx is just to much for the sensor of Z1.
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Yes the quality of picture will be lost with 3mp when ZOOM IN but who does zooming these days, most pictures end up on the Internet in regular size not cropped. The z1 has awesome zoom but the zoom still ruins the picture.
@Djuro89 great test mate :thumbup:
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Shan89 said:
Yes the quality of picture will be lost with 3mp when ZOOM IN but who does zooming these days,
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I am a Detective, I have too. lol..haha...

I can even tell 8MP photos are way better than 3MPs. White balance, exposure, focus is better. I use 20MP with manual shots sometimes and it gives great results with right settings.

Step one: sell the crap while u can
Step two: get an lg g2
I did and i am so vey happy that i got rid of the sony and got a much better all around phone

eclyptos said:
I am a Detective, I have too. lol..haha...
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Lol , well i doubt you'll be using Z1 for detective photos , it just takes forever to set up everything manually for a decent photo
jimakos29 said:
Step one: sell the crap while u can
Step two: get an lg g2
I did and i am so vey happy that i got rid of the sony and got a much better all around phone
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Post of the day ! :thumbsup:

Many complaints of camera but at the end of the day most of them add instagram filters etc!

jimakos29 said:
Step one: sell the crap while u can
Step two: get an lg g2
I did and i am so vey happy that i got rid of the sony and got a much better all around phone
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Did you really buy an xperia z1 or are you trolling? I have one and daily I look at it atleast once in admiration. Absolutely the best phone out there.
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Beautyspin said:
Did you really buy an xperia z1 or are you trolling? I have one and daily I look at it once in admiration. Absolutely the best phone or there.
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Well said

Yeaaa, 3mp beat 20mp, buy the K800 and use 3.2mp. hahah
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Welcome to the low-mid end camera / phone marketing BS .
Small sensor + high pixel count = crap
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koziakauzu said:
Welcome to the low-mid end camera / phone marketing BS .
Small sensor + high pixel count = crap
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High pixel count, no small sensor, crap SOFTWARE!
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MixaDJ said:
High pixel count, no small sensor, crap SOFTWARE!
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Agreed!
It's a shame really gs5, one 2, z2 are coming out in just 1/2 months and when that happen z1 will be completely forgotten which IMO is sad since we never got to see the true power of its camera thanks to sony for ****ty software.
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Gitaroo said:
pixel bining from 20MP, read it up.
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+1. More pixel binning. So better pics

jimakos29 said:
Step one: sell the crap while u can
Step two: get an lg g2
I did and i am so vey happy that i got rid of the sony and got a much better all around phone
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Maybe as a quick point and shoot, yeah, the LG G2 might be a little better, but in all around performance, I much prefer my Z1 over my dad's G2.

What small sensor people are referring !! Its 1/2.3" !! Same as all entry to mid level digital cameras
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Z5 camera VS Iphone6 plus, SGS6, LG G4, Z3

Here they did a test with most new phones including the Z5! Shame i cant link the photo's directly so you have to go to the link it self http://www.phonearena.com/news/First-Xperia-Z5-vs-iPhone-6-Plus-vs-S6-vs-Z3-vs-G4-camera-samples-comparison_id73408
The Z5 takes pretty awesome shots and its way better then the z3 camera. The colors look so much more correct and in some phones it beats the sgs6.
Edit:
http://support.sonymobile.com/us/contactUs/phone/?region=en_US and ask if they can add RAW support

I like iphone 6 plus more.

banggood said:
I like iphone 6 plus more.
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the red on the iphone looks washed out or better said, the amount of light on the car is captured more on it. the z5 captures the real color from my perspective

In my opinion Z5 is better than Iphone 6+ and GS6, colors of the 2 is slightly saturated.

Regardless of color accuracy, the resolution increase still does not helps getting sharper images. There is too much noise reduction applied, especially compared to iPhone 6. Apple here does a decent job although I'd rather have much more noise and no NR applied in camera. Worst offender is LG, which applies an insane post-NR sharpening.
I think we should wait for production samples and hopefully some 3rd party app that can leverage better on this new sensor. Otherwise there is no real advantage against Samsung or Apple.
As for color accuracy, it really comes down to the app and how much processing is done. On my screen (which is calibrated, but it's not best quality panel) and to my eye Z5 has decent overall color rendition, but I prefer the G4 in the first picture (less punch but the overall colors are more accurate) and the iPhone in the third.
In the end, we are not yet at compact camera level - maybe next iteration (z6 or z7 or whatever they will call it). I'd really love to have an RX100 performance squeezed into a phone

Found a site with more samples pics from the Z5 vs note 5. http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/4523/4953454/1/rv/sony-xperia-z5-compact-review/ Its a close call but Z5 wins when its shoots a photo in the dark tho.
All photo's on the left side are made by Z5 and right side is the note 5
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RiTCHiE007 said:
Found a site with more samples pics from the Z5 vs note 5. http://www.eprice.com.tw/mobile/talk/4523/4953454/1/rv/sony-xperia-z5-compact-review/ Its a close call but Z5 wins when its shoots a photo in the dark tho.
All photo's on the left side are made by Z5 and right side is the note 5
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Am I the only one seeing that low light photos look good on Note 5. Specially the example you gave, Note 5 has more details compared to Z5. Yea we all know that Samsung dose produce more warmer pics which makes the photo looks yellowish, but if you take a closer look the noise reduction is so aggressive in Z5.
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P.S: Ah no wonder you seem to mix up the two photos. Note 5 indeed do look better here.

Sony for some reason still cannot make a good camera. Note 5 does look much better in almost every situation.
Also look at the sky in that one pictre. Z5 completely burnt while Note 5 shows some nice detail

http://www.uberlin.co.uk/berlin-moments-september-7th-september-15th/
These pictures looks awesome. and yea it got lotta details too. We need further tests to see how it's done. Since they can always get it right with software.
New camera module absolutely promising. Specially colour accuracy.

CandyAndy said:
Sony for some reason still cannot make a good camera. Note 5 does look much better in almost every situation.
Also look at the sky in that one pictre. Z5 completely burnt while Note 5 shows some nice detail
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Think its time you get some glasses bro. The first one and clearly the best low light photo is made with the Z5 not the note. Even if you zoom in on the billboard etc you see that the note blurs and has to much overexposed. But both are good camera's tho/.

chesterr said:
http://www.uberlin.co.uk/berlin-moments-september-7th-september-15th/
These pictures looks awesome. and yea it got lotta details too. We need further tests to see how it's done. Since they can always get it right with software.
New camera module absolutely promising. Specially colour accuracy.
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WOW those pictures look indeed pretty awesome!!! But they are taken by a pro tho with a tripod.

I am a Sony Fan But i Must admit the samsung note 5 is killing sony camera what a poor detail in z5 i hope there is improvement in the last release

Yea Note 5 has a great camera indeed, but I am pretty sure this is related to Software, and eprice device doesn't have the latest camera UI that means it's not running on the latest build, so untill then we can't really say which is better.
But overall Sony has good colour accuracy when it's day-time, I hope it'll be fixed with updates. I really want is more control over the camera such as Manual shutter speed and raw. Hope to see more improvement before the phone's released.

Sony has never been good at software, just hardware. It's just a... Mystery
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Sony has never been good at software, just hardware. It's just a... Mystery
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+1
Specially when it comes to Camera software they don't seem to be doing great.

I am always surprised that despite making good cameras and selling camera parts to other phone manufacturers, Sony phones have the worse cameras in the mobile phone industry. The Z3 camera is terrible relative to Apples and Samsungs and their previous phones were even worse. Hopefully they finally fix it with the Z5.

Wow....

chesterr said:
Yea Note 5 has a great camera indeed, but I am pretty sure this is related to Software, and eprice device doesn't have the latest camera UI that means it's not running on the latest build, so untill then we can't really say which is better.
But overall Sony has good colour accuracy when it's day-time, I hope it'll be fixed with updates. I really want is more control over the camera such as Manual shutter speed and raw. Hope to see more improvement before the phone's released.
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What latest camera ui?

I love LG G4 most

King p1n said:
What latest camera ui?
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Hideous image processing

What the actual ****, Sony?
I always noticed something was sheit about this camera and I kind of knew it was about the image processing but never realised just how had it is.
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Screenshot from a 4K video, no SteadyShot, H264, fully zoomed in:
How could you possibly ruin a picture so much? Not to mention the raw image from the 21mp shot has a much better quality than a frame from a video!
Does anyone know of a way to disable this?

Sony has messed up the camera with lag to launch it and to do a capture... I dont understand really what is the issue to improve that. I have readed that RAM is important.

dfavefenix said:
Sony has messed up the camera with lag to launch it and to do a capture... I dont understand really what is the issue to improve that. I have readed that RAM is important.
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RAM might be related to the launch issue but where is the problem in just disabling the anti-noise algorithm altogether?

ztv-- said:
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Fixed ur links for u
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WOW
looks like the camera app needs to be rewritten from scratch !
with camera2 api in mind maybe ?!

ztv-- said:
RAM might be related to the launch issue but where is the problem in just disabling the anti-noise algorithm altogether?
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Yeah, where is it. Algorithm is all broken around... Really it isn't understable. Sometimes I think if Sony has something under contract with the others companies and it messes up the software post process.... It's the unique lame in Sony right now if you see the Galaxy S7, LG G5, Huawei P9... Curious thing that Sony is the coolest thing in the sensor industry. Casualty or...

langeveld024 said:
Fixed ur links for u
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Ty, can't post links yet.
anasgets111 said:
WOW
looks like the camera app needs to be rewritten from scratch !
with camera2 api in mind maybe ?!
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It's nothing short of ridiculous that this phone does not fully support Camera 2 API yet. Sony has been marketing this phone all around the camera but they don't deliver anything.
I'll put up a post on the Sony forums and see how it turns out.

So if we want a good quality picture, record in 4k and take a screenshot? Lol
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Ben36 said:
So if we want a good quality picture, record in 4k and take a screenshot? Lol
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The best camera in the world, isnt? lol

I've noticed when you double tap to zoom in it zooms in A LOT. Meaning you see more noise/blurriness. In other phones when you double tap to zoom it doesn't zoom in as much so it looks sharper. But the camera is actually pretty good, SA sometimes gets it completely wrong in low light situation and the shutter lag is ridiculous. Takes too long to take a picture.

Ben36 said:
So if we want a good quality picture, record in 4k and take a screenshot? Lol
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That is literally what I did when I took a bike trip yesterday. Recorded about 1:40 minutes which resulted in almost a gigabyte of video and I extracted exactly 47 still images out of that.
You need a lot of storage but it's a possible workaround. Sad this camera ruins an otherwise great phone.

the camera supports manual controls with fv-5 camera app . Just no raw suport

NexusGTS said:
the camera supports manual controls with fv-5 camera app . Just no raw suport
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And only 8mp
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langeveld024 said:
And only 8mp
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Nothing comes close as stock app with manual controls, like samsung or lg camera apps.
I tried that camera fv 5 or how it was called actualy, and i was not impressed at all.
I really like this phone, but I am dissapointed with the camera.
Also camera interface sucks, it is okay for auto mode but for manual mode you have to go in settings just to change iso or hdr? Really Sony?
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dfavefenix said:
Sony has messed up the camera with lag to launch it and to do a capture... I dont understand really what is the issue to improve that. I have readed that RAM is important.
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They seemed to have improved it significantly in the Xperia X, which is ridiculous as its specs aren't more powerful than the Z5. They are also advertising 0.6 shutter response from standby and "almost instantaneous" shutter response from normal use of the app. Yet if you look at a few of the MWC demos, you can see the shutter response is faster but it still captures very slightly after... On the show floor there were two demos emphasizing the autofocus and shutter from standby, but few people filming there actually showed the shutter response conclusively.
Third party apps have the potential to have less shutter lag but I found the on-screen camera button and physical button to be often unresponsive, probably because the autofocus is badly optimized.