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Choice between 2 head units.

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I'm debating getting one of these two units.
https://www.carjoying.com/in-dash-g...gation-system-support-steering-wheel-con.html
http://www.in-dash.net/buy_en/store/index.php?route=product/product&path=20&product_id=188
So heres the dilemma. The joying one is a9 quad core, but only has 1 gig. Plus, while I know joying isn't high quality at least I've heard of them.
In-dash is octocore (which is really just a second set of pointless quads) a7 but 2 gis of ram.
I currently have a pugug dual core a9 with 1 gig.
Is the 2 gigs more helpful or the a9? Does anyone have experience with in-dash?
Can in root the joying or upload a newer version of android on the joying?
Any help would be appreciated!

Hello, Im pretty much like you so I've come to share the info that I've got so far
The Joying Units are the first to have Android 5.1.1 lollipop in about two weeks, this units also are under testing to have DAB and now have a cold boot time under 20 secs, you can see this on their youtube channel and facebook page, they have show everything and you can see most of the tests, also you can see many user videos with the 4.4.4 units and I ssume that in a few weeks we will see the ones with 5.1.1.
BUT this units are based on Rockchip RK3188 wich ONLY have SDK support up to android 4.4.4, Joying is doing Lollipop using a very old kernel and some pieces of RK3288 code as far as I know. so this is probably s fr s the RK3188 Units will get development wise, wich is a pitty becuse its a powerful enough chipset for car lo last long time
On the other side the InDsahnet units are using the Allwinner A83T (maybe at 2.0GHz top) Octa Core with 8 cortex A7 cores NOT 4A7+4A15, the A7 is low end vs the A9 middle end, but draws less power and produces less heat thant the A9, if well implemented this could mean longer standby times and less fan noise, the GPU is a PowerVR SGX544MP wich is a little bit faster than the Mali-400 of the RK3188, this will make difference only in newer GPS Software, the 2GB DDR3 of RAM should make good difference if you have/use many apps, this units are based on Android 4.4.4 but Android 5.1.1 is in the works with the great difference over Joying that Allwinner A83T has official 5.1.1 lollipop support and is powerful enough to have Marsmallow in the future, but so far indashnet has said that there are no plan for Android 6.0.1 yet. This Units re limited to 800x480 resolution if you get the 6.2 inches screen and 1024x600 ONLY if you get the 10.1 inches screen, wich for me is an overkill in size
And now the Big BUT... BUT so far I havent been able to find a real video, review or photo (the photos on their store are generic and low res), so, its leap of faith here for me, I would like to see youtube channel like Joying
Right now my advise is to wait if you can, see the Joying units videos nd reviews in a couple of weeks with lollipop and try to contact InDashnet with to ask for some videos... maybe if enough of us ask for it, they will put up a youtube channel like Joying
Another idea that has been in my head is to ask for new SoM's maybe Joying can fuly use an RK3288 wich supports 5.1.1 lollipop and many RK3188 HU users just need to buy a compatible SoM board with RK3288 and upgrade the software, this has been done before from the RK3066 to RK3188, but we need someone with expertise, Joying seems like the natural choice since they seems to be using 3288 code for the lollipop version of RK3188, for this we should contact Joying and show them tht there is a rel demand... thats what made them create the lollipop rom for the RK3188 in the first place
Finally let me tell you that there are a couple of FAR BETTER units on the chinese market, but they are hard to find here in Europe where I live, this are made by the manufacturer Flyaudio and use Quallcomm Snapdragon 400 (G8 series) and Snapdragon 801 (G9 series) Quad cores processors, this units can go to Quallcomm deep sleep and remain in standby mode for days, booting in a couple of seconds, this units can be seen on web stores and youtube videos and seem to work great.
BUT the stores so far are chinese wb stores or russian web stores, the chinesse web store is TaoBao, wich is actually the store from wich Aliexpress gets all its products, so I dont know why this units doesnt show on Aliexpress yet
I have ll the info and links, but cant post links until I have at least ten posts on the forum, I you want the, I'll send them to you
Hope this post was useful for you and others

Need an advice with processor selection.

Hi, last year i have bought HU with following specification:
SYSTEM (Android 6.0.1) 1GB/16GB
Allwinner QUAD-CORE T3 p3,
Mali-400MP2 .
Unfortunatelly it turns out horribly slow - I have rooted it and tried to speed it up, but without success.
Now I'm considering to buy another one (cheap), I need HU to normal use (google maps + music app + radar warning application) .
Here are my selections:
Android 8.1 1GB/16GB
quad-core T3 K2001M
GPU: Mali-600MP4
Android 8.1 1GB/16GB
quad-core MT8227L "1.3-1.5"
GPU: Mali-600MP4
Most units which I'm interested have these two processors some have also 2GB RAM. Which is better selection? Maybe i should choose someting with 8-core or 2GB ram?
Regards.

The processor is not the only thing that affects the speed, the amount of RAM matters too. Everything you listed has a gig of RAM, that is just too low for today's Android with all the services running in the background. Look for something with at least 2 GB, 4 would be better. The processors you're looking at are no powerhouses either. First they're all 32 bit and very obsolete. Also Allwinner is barely a decent processor for the money. Something from Rockchip or Intel would cost a bit more but you'd get more enjoyment out of it. If you have to keep it cheap maybe a PX30 with at least 2 GB RAM would be a good choice.

nic2k said:
If you have to keep it cheap maybe a PX30 with at least 2 GB RAM would be a good choice.
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The man is completely right. Nothing with 1GB will perform.
2GB is enough. 4 GB is better.

I agree that 1GB is not enough for todays Android, but this is still car device, not phone. I don't really want to spend lot of money . How about this ?
OS: Android 8.1 Go 1GB/16GB
CPU: Intel 8-core 1.872GHz Intel IA processor
GPU: with Mali-T820 8-core GPU
OS: Android 8.1 2GB/32GB (i think they will be able to install GO version too.)
CPU: High quality MT8227L Quad-core 1.3-1.5 GHz Cortex-A7 processor
GPU: with Mali-600MP4 Quad-core GPU
both fit to my limit 150 $ .

spewaq said:
I agree that 1GB is not enough for todays Android, but this is still car device, not phone. I don't really want to spend lot of money . How about this ?
OS: Android 8.1 Go 1GB/16GB
CPU: Intel 8-core 1.872GHz Intel IA processor
GPU: with Mali-T820 8-core GPU
OS: Android 8.1 2GB/32GB (i think they will be able to install GO version too.)
CPU: High quality MT8227L Quad-core 1.3-1.5 GHz Cortex-A7 processor
GPU: with Mali-600MP4 Quad-core GPU
both fit to my limit 150 $ .
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a bit stubborn? The first is 1GB. If 2 persons advise to go for at least 2GB: what more advise do you need? If you had searched this forum in advance, you would have seen that everybody advises against 1 GB.
choose and suffer, or choose and enjoy.

That's a really low budget. A $150 will buy you a nice Pioneer or Kenwood traditional stereo or if you want more features get a cheapie Dual or other low end brand. At any rate you will enjoy your choice better then. Those Chinese Android radios have always been a bit of a kludge. It's only in the last couple years that they've been getting almost decent and that's from having a proper amount of RAM and better processors. The one thing that hasn't improved is build quality, they work ok but there's no telling for how long. OTH they're a lot of fun if you can afford it.
The second option you listed is definitely low end but might work good enough. Like Surfer63 said do your research! Don't expect someone else to tell you what to buy. For that HU you can start here. On that first page there's a link to 4PDA too.

Believe me 150$ for car radio is quite a lot in my country To be honest initially I thought 100$ will be enough for my modest needs... I know 4pda I have studied most topics regarding Allwinner and partially this mentioned above . I have some experience with such devices (with 1) I could try to flash it but I have no time for that. In the mean time I have found that there are HU which are fitted to car steering panel better than universal one so decided to buy another. I did not expect that someone tell me what should I buy, however all yours remarks are very valuable for me. Ok I'll read a bit more and buy something, and maybe give some feedback.

Joying Intel octacore 1.8ghz are little slow, can it be tuned up?

Hey I bought my first Android head unit for 2 month ago a Joying 10.1" IPS 1280*720 Android 8.1 4GB ram Intel octa core 1.8ghz SC9853i, I´m very happy for this headunit it works really great but I have some issues that annoy me a lot.
The speed of the android system on the joying unit is slow compared to my old Asus Nexus 7 2013 tablet, I had some greater expectation of performance because of the Intel octa core CPU 1.8 ghz, but maybe I have misunderstood something
Do any of you know if you can somehow tune up the reaction speed, the device feels slow compared to my old tablet ... Could I install another version of android that might make better use of the hardware?
Best regards Stig

I am having the same issue. Also, I am unable to run new TomTom Go navigation on the Joying radio.

Which one is better? 8227L vs allwinner sun8iw11p1

Looking to get an android head unit. Visited a couple of local shops and ran CPU-Z on the android units. They're both same price (quite cheap) but I'm not sure about underlying hardware quality and future update possibilities/mods?
First: 8227L (ac8227l), Android 8.1 Go, Cortex A7-1.12 Ghz (quad), 1 GB Ram, 12 GB Rom, 5 band Equalizer
Second: AllWinner A23 sun8iw11p1, Android 9, Cortex A7-1.6 Ghz (quad), 1GB Ram, 12 GB Rom, full-band Equalizer
Apparently second one is better, however, I checked online and allwinner a23 is quite old hardware (from 4-5 years ago), but it is faster. Also, its running Android 9 but not the "Go" version, so it might be more taxing on the memory. I like everything about second, except that the Home screen has icons with white rectangle background so there is a lot of white on the screen and I fear it will be too bright to use at night.
First one has slower cpu and android 8.1 go, however, a lot of the posts I see on this forum are related to 8227L.
Which one should I go for? Is one better than the other in audio quality?

Joying Snapdragon 625 vs Unisoc UIS7862 head to head

New user here.
The new Joying headunit with Snapdragon caught my attention, as it runs a Snapdragon 625 chip instead of the Unisoc UIS7862, and command a higher price (£55 diff) . So I did a little more research on their respective performance.
Against my expectation,, almost every metric and benchmark puts the UIS7862 ahead of the Snapdragon 625 by a decent margin, it is almost 4 years newer and on a more advanced 12nm node (instead of 14nm).
More to my suprise, Snapdragon 625 only supports upto 3GB ram, so the 4GB installed in the head unit would not be fully utilized.
Am I missing something blatantly obvious? Should I look at more than just specsheet and benchmark? I am very confused as to which version of the head unit would preform better in the long run. Which one would you choose?
Processor Comparison - Head 2 Head
UNISOC T610 vs Qualcomm Snapdragon 625 - Benchmarks, Tests and Comparisons
www.notebookcheck.net
Qualcomm MSM8953 Snapdragon 625 vs Unisoc UIS7862 Benchmarks, Specs, Performance Comparison and Differences - GadgetVersus
Comparison between Qualcomm MSM8953 Snapdragon 625 and Unisoc UIS7862 with the specifications of the processors, the number of cores, threads, cache memory, also the performance in benchmark platforms such as Geekbench, Passmark, Cinebench or AnTuTu.
gadgetversus.com

marcowong_7 said:
New user here.
The new Joying headunit with Snapdragon caught my attention, as it runs a Snapdragon 625 chip instead of the Unisoc UIS7862, and command a higher price (£55 diff) . So I did a little more research on their respective performance.
Against my expectation,, almost every metric and benchmark puts the UIS7862 ahead of the Snapdragon 625 by a decent margin, it is almost 4 years newer and on a more advanced 12nm node (instead of 14nm).
More to my suprise, Snapdragon 625 only supports upto 3GB ram, so the 4GB installed in the head unit would not be fully utilized.
Am I missing something blatantly obvious? Should I look at more than just specsheet and benchmark? I am very confused as to which version of the head unit would preform better in the long run. Which one would you choose?
Processor Comparison - Head 2 Head
UNISOC T610 vs Qualcomm Snapdragon 625 - Benchmarks, Tests and Comparisons
www.notebookcheck.net
Qualcomm MSM8953 Snapdragon 625 vs Unisoc UIS7862 Benchmarks, Specs, Performance Comparison and Differences - GadgetVersus
Comparison between Qualcomm MSM8953 Snapdragon 625 and Unisoc UIS7862 with the specifications of the processors, the number of cores, threads, cache memory, also the performance in benchmark platforms such as Geekbench, Passmark, Cinebench or AnTuTu.
gadgetversus.com
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Hi there.
I am currently going down the same rabbit hole, trying to get a new head unit for my 2011 Ford Escape. I even found the same comp pages that you listed in your post.
I have asked Joying support last week some of the same questions you asked here, and they didn't offer any useful details and their one-sentence emails about this topic are very cagey.
Mainly - why is the new Teyes-like UI that they have on the Snapdragon not available on the clearly superior 7862 units, and only on the slower Snapdragon 625? They didn't answer that. If the new UI was available on the 7862 I would not even be doing this research, really. That's the only thing that has me going back and forth. That, and the horrible USA LTE band support on the 7862.
The fact that the slower, less RAM 8xA-53 unit is more expensive than 2xA-75/6xA-55 unit is puzzling.
Saab Unleashed has excellent reviews of these units:
Snapdragon
7862
he reviews the 1920x1200 version, which is yet another dilemma for us
It seems that likes the Snapdragon version mainly for the UI, and in the comments he mentions that the performance is about the same as the 7862 version. Weird.
Since you wrote your post in November 2021 - have you decided on one of these? If so, what was your experience like?

I sold many 7862 unit without problem. Recommend 7862

klaymen2 said:
Hi there.
I am currently going down the same rabbit hole, trying to get a new head unit for my 2011 Ford Escape. I even found the same comp pages that you listed in your post.
I have asked Joying support last week some of the same questions you asked here, and they didn't offer any useful details and their one-sentence emails about this topic are very cagey.
Mainly - why is the new Teyes-like UI that they have on the Snapdragon not available on the clearly superior 7862 units, and only on the slower Snapdragon 625? They didn't answer that. If the new UI was available on the 7862 I would not even be doing this research, really. That's the only thing that has me going back and forth. That, and the horrible USA LTE band support on the 7862.
The fact that the slower, less RAM 8xA-53 unit is more expensive than 2xA-75/6xA-55 unit is puzzling.
Saab Unleashed has excellent reviews of these units:
Snapdragon
7862
he reviews the 1920x1200 version, which is yet another dilemma for us
It seems that likes the Snapdragon version mainly for the UI, and in the comments he mentions that the performance is about the same as the 7862 version. Weird.
Since you wrote your post in November 2021 - have you decided on one of these? If so, what was your experience like?
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I bought the UIS7862 version, it is running flawlessly with AGAMA launcher. My decision was simple: first, the Teyes launcher seems more buggy from other review, compare to AGAMA launcher which is tried and tested. Second, I am not paying 20% more for 25% less performance and 25% less usable ram. It just does not sit right with me.
I would personally avoid the 1200p as text and icons looks tiny on a higher res screen, which makes it very hard to use while driving.

marcowong_7 said:
I bought the UIS7862 version, it is running flawlessly with AGAMA launcher. My decision was simple: first, the Teyes launcher seems more buggy from other review, compare to AGAMA launcher which is tried and tested. Second, I am not paying 20% more for 25% less performance and 25% less usable ram. It just does not sit right with me.
I would personally avoid the 1200p as text and icons looks tiny on a higher res screen, which makes it very hard to use while driving.
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That all makes perfect sense.
Thanks for the note about the AGAMA launcher vs Teyes. I ruled out Teyes unit itself but because I liked the look of that launcher I was still considering the Snapdragon Joying unit with the Teyes-like Launder. But the specs and price of that unit compare to the 7862 version just don't make sense.
I will be ordering the 7862 version as well.
Thanks.