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It's CRAP....but I like it....what do I do?

I'm in two minds.
The HD2 is a GREAT piece of hardware. I've had three different ones since November.
It looks excellent, the screen is gorgeous, the build quality superb
But I have two major gripes:
There is very little decent software: and by 'software' I mean things programmed from the ground up to provide access to things I like to do, such as Facebook. All the Apps that I DO find to provide this function either have a clunky and ugly Windows CE look to them, have jerky scrolling and/or provide very inconsistent/downright SH** functionality (See Microsoft Facebook App).
Unfortunately I am a big social networking and multimedia user and for me ALL the Twitter clients, Facebook clients and IM clients pale into insignificance compared with those available on Android and iPhone OSx. Logging into 'lite' versions of Twitter or Facebook through a browser just isn't good enough for me: I have seen the light.
There is a great deal of software development outside of the Marketplace - YES - but most of THIS development seems to be more about fixing core problems, missing features, settings and stability fixes than providing nice apps with a pleasant user experience.
Now I KNEW the Marketplace was poor before I got the HD2 BUT I expected it to improve somewhat. It seems though that a new app is thrown in there about once every six months...the Marketplace is just DEAD IN THE WATER, and all the while stupid companies like SPB sell their rip-off wares therein I feel that the Marketplace will be tarnished.
As I said though I KNEW the Marketplace was poor before I bought the HD2, but here I come to my bigget gripe with the HD2...
Its reliability.
Slag the iPhone off all you like, but my 3Gs (which had a tethered jailbreak and therefore needed plugging into windows to boot it back up if it was turned off) never ONCE needed restarting nor turned off whilst I was at work. (And before anyone mentions it I had backgrounder installed so I WAS multitasking)
On the other hand I have to reboot my HD2 at LEAST once EVERY DAY, regardless of which ROM I have installed. Now I have been using Windows Mobile phones for years and years and I KNOW that Windows Mobile is unstable and unreliable, but I was kind of hoping that with the super powerful processor, extra RAM and Windows Mobile update that I wouldn't have to worry about this any more.
NOT THE CASE.
I just cannot cope with the SMS app slowing down, missed keypresses and the cursor jumping to the start of the text all the time; I get fed up of everything freezing up; the screen not turning on but the lights still coming on on the keys; things going jerky for no reason.
NOW I know I'm going to get some asshole telling me I must have faulty hardware blah blah blah. BULL****. I've had three of the phones and it's the same whether I use a custom or standard ROM. I close down apps, and still things stay slow and jerky until I restart the phone....my conclusion:
WINDOWS MOBILE IS SERIOUSLY FLAWED.
I am no fanboy....not of ANY device. I will buy whatever I think is best and for HARDWARE there is nothing to beat the HD2; I love it....the software though seems to be showing its age REALLY badly, so now I just don't know what to do.
Yes I know that no device is perfect, but out of the iPhone 3G/3Gs/HTC Magic/Hero and Dext that i've owned/own NONE of these devices have genuinely hampered my ability to do NORMAL 'phone' things like sending a text by slowing down and getting glitchy for no reason...not EVERY DAY anyway...until the HD2 came along.
I'm going to keep my HD2 for another month or so and give it a chance as - like I said - I DO LOVE the hardware, and when it works WELL it is a very nice device to use...
But I'd like to hear from anyone else who's not having a good experience with the HD2, and what they would like to see from the device in the future and how much more of a chance they are going to give HTC to fix the problems discussed regularly on these forums.
I don't want to hear from people who think the phone is perfect....I'm not interested in your views as they are clearly tarnished in some way by either an amorous obsession with Windows Mobile or a lack of variation in the phones you've owned. I don't particularly want to hear anyone criticising the iPhone or Android either as this is pretty irrelevant.
Just please can someone tell me I'm not the only one, and offer some suggestions as to what might help or what phone they are considering as replacements.
Many thanks

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I'd say return it (since it's your 3rd time) and get an android or go back to your iphone. No point in lamenting about the OS if you're unwilling to make things work.

It's my third time because I sold my first upgrade for the money and my DEV phone broke.
What exactly do you mean by 'unwilling to make things work?' I've tried every tweak and fix I can; every task manager I could find and applied every patch available: would you define this as unwilling?
I want to hear from other people who have a similar experience to me and what they plan to do: wait or buy a different device.
I don't want to hear from people who get defensive and patronising at the very idea that their precious phone is less than perfect.
I haven't contributed twice as many posts as you through unwillingness, Lude219, so please don't try and make me feel small.
I am genuinely in two minds about what to do and thought that I would like to hear like-minded views and suggestions, not thinly-veiled insults.
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I empathise.
From my perspective:
1. WinMo & apps - Agreed. HUGE room for improvement.
2. Reliability - Top notch. No unneccessary reboots required, no hangs/freezes/non-responsiveness/missed keypresses/cursor jumping
....maybe it's your phone.
Doesn't bad luck come in threes? Maybe your next HD2 will be as good as mine. (p.s. I'm using 1.61 stock rom)

I had the N97 before this, and im really happy to have moved on, the HD2 owns the N97 ,... Nokia died .. sadly .. The best was the N95
Anyway, regarding the HD2, yes I love it, but what you said is actually ture
I for once thought that by getting the HD2, I will be able to connect with friends .. I thought its facebook integrated because you can add their info in contacts !!
But the blackberry, a new wall post, an inbox message, even a POKE .. you get a notification ...
I really thought the HD2 is more social .. but the facebook app sucks ...
A bit dissapointed at that part .. but oh well ... If you had the N97, you cant really complain alot ... The n97 killed nokia (IMO).

Sell it, wait for Xperia X10 - it seems this should be a social network beast.
And comes with Android 1.6 with tons of apps to choose from...
Not that those would have the eye candy look of iPhone apps by all meanings...
But you will have what you want. I don´t think you are the HD2 type.

I'm not sure why you need to restart the phone every day because I certainly don't have to do that. I'd say that you're problem is related to some software you've installed rather than the phone or the OS. I don't have any stability or reliability issues with Windows Mobile.
Perhaps you need to reflash an official ROM and install the apps you use one at a time to determine which one(s) are causing you problems?

Hi,
I've been surprised by all the problems with the HD2 myself. I don't own one yet but I've been wanting to get one since I first saw the leaked specs.
Unfortunately every HD2 that I've tried over the last two months has not been usable. I've tried different units from different vendors, sometimes for several hours and in each case the primary problem has been the keyboard.
Yes, it's far to sensitive but there are a number of other problems with it including the jumping cursor. I've used that keyboard on the HTC Hero without any problems so it should really be easier to use on the HD2. I know, I can install tweaks to reduce the screen sensitivity (although it's great for everything else) or install other keyboards but I'd like to see HTC address these problems first.
Anyway I have started thinking that the problem with things like SMS, phone slowdowns, etc, etc may not be WM 6.5 related but rather HTC Sense related.
I would like to know if anyone has managed to try a Sense-free ROM or better yet the closest thing they can get to a vanilla WM 6.5 build on this hardware, perhaps with and without the multi-touch driver.
I'm going to try and hold out for a bit because HTC haven't really managed to fix any of the major bugs and they still haven't addressed a number at all.
The Pink Camera issue has been reduced (but not fixed 100%), the camera flash is a problem, they have failed to fix the SMS issue twice already and they still have to address a whole slew of other problems including the 3G connection problem. I'm going to try and wait and see if they do so either this month or by MWC next month, possibly even alongside the next version of WM 6.x.
I also have an issue with available apps but in my case it's missing apps from the iPhone and Android and the lack of depth within apps in Android, so that limits my options.
These are the alternate devices that I'm looking at:
Acer neoTouch
Samsung Omnia II
Samsung Omnia Pro (not so much anymore)
Blackberry Storm 2 (a bit of an odd one out)
Since you like Android you may want to look at:
HTC Bravo (not released yet)
Motorola MILESTONE / DROID
Acer Liquid (you can get the CPU unlocked to 1GHz)
Also since you like Apple you may want to see if anything of interest is announced next week.
The Acer neoTouch has the same CPU as the HD2 but much less RAM and a very light skin on it and it seems to work really well. It also seems to be faster than the HD2 so this is my next choice unless something crops up to makes me think otherwise.
The Samsung Omnia II is a possibility but it is a lot less powerful than the Snapdragon phones. It has a decent 1500 mAh battery and an AMOLED screen as well as the option of 2, 8, or 16 GB of internal storage depending on the model.
The Samsung Omnia Pro is really there because I was looking at it as an alternative to the HTC Touch Pro 2 because it had a faster CPU and a flash. However after trying phones with lager screens than my TyTN II I think that I could live with a software keyboard.
I'm really hoping that the three phones above are added to the forums here at Xda-Developers because that will make the buying decision easier. I'd really rather not loose the great support that comes from the users of this site.
The Blackberry Storm 2 is an outsider but still a possibility as a last resort (but I may end up with one anyway since I want to replace my current phones with two new phones - I use one with a local SIM while traveling). I don't really like the clicky screen that much but it does work well. Right now there is no working VOIP software for use with Skype over 3G available and I'm waiting to see what happens with the BIS upgrades that are meant to happen this quarter and next quarter to see if it can be made to work for me.

I have decided to go back to the Iphone - nothing beats it for ease of use, application / media support and obvious sync ability if you own a Mac. The HD2 Hardware, screen and size is awesome but I find the WM and HTC UI just too messy and clunky compared to the Iphone. I have kept it though until a more cleaner UI is designed and the Windows apps store improves - Infinity looks promising...but by then the new iphone will be here - and other makes will always be playing catchup in terms of innovation and UI simplicity.
I suppose you cant beat it for customising though, but I don't want to spend half my time fiddling with silly theme tweaks and icons.

hawrai68 said:
I have decided to go back to the Iphone - nothing beats it for ease of use, application / media support and obvious sync ability if you own a Mac. The HD2 Hardware, screen and size is awesome but I find the WM and HTC UI just too messy and clunky compared to the Iphone. I have kept it though until a more cleaner UI is designed and the Windows apps store improves - Infinity looks promising...but by then the new iphone will be here - and other makes will always be playing catchup in terms of innovation and UI simplicity.
I suppose you cant beat it for customising though, but I don't want to spend half my time fiddling with silly theme tweaks and icons.
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But how do you go from a 5mp camera (although pink spot crap) to a 3mp camera with no flash !!!!!

On bright day, Iphone camera is just as good...and I prefer a bit of grain on darker scenes to pink spot of doom and blurry shots on HD2 - the video on iphone is just as good also...but the HTC is great and I miss it.

ZaZu90 said:
But how do you go from a 5mp camera (although pink spot crap) to a 3mp camera with no flash !!!!!
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On bright day, Iphone camera is just as good...and I prefer a bit of grain on darker scenes to pink spot of doom and blurry shots on HD2 - the video on iphone is just as good also...but the HTC is great and I miss i

Agreed... Social networking and multimedia software for HD2 is pretty low quality or completely missing compared to other platforms. I think that Microsoft is not releasing any update for their social networking apps because they're totally focused and committed to deliver WM 6.6 and WM7. Before switching to another phone I'd wait feb/march to see what Microsoft will show about these updates and if they will be available on our HD2.
Personally, I think that WM7 with its supposed wow-effect and eye candy will give a huuuge boost to the software catalogue of the platform and deliver strong social networking capabilities.
Taking about reliability... I just have to reset my device sometimes because my texts gets stuck in the outbox, but this problem is HTC related and I hope will be fixed asap. The same thing can be said about most of any other software issue on HD2. Based on some analysis that I did by observing the active processes on my phone, there are some memory leaks or high CPU usage also Start (HTC Sense), services.exe and HTC Messagging while the device is performing some SMS-related tasks or HTC sense is updating contacts and linking them with the newest Facebook Updates.
Also, by having tried for quite a long time a "vanilla" version of WM 6.5.x, I can say I didn't had any single problem that caused me to soft-reset the device, and the system itself was fast and stable. Then I went back to a modded ROM with sense built-in just because of the extra eye candy (I don't like how titanium/spb shell or pointui 2 look).
So my suggestion would be to wait a couple of months to see what Microsoft has under the hood and then decide what's the best for your needs.
EDIT: It seems that itje managed to grab a 2.06 version and will include it soon in his new rom, so it may bring some fixes to the most outstanding bugs (but have new ones aswell... we just have to wait and see)

For facebook try: http://touch.facebook.com/
so far it beats the facebook app and the lite site.

hi mate, i was watching the hd2 for a couple of months andi i finally got one about 2 weeks ago now. i must say initially i loved it, the look, the size the style, i thought it was perfect, but over the past week things are starting to annoy me now. ive had to pull my battery out a fair few times due to the screen staying blank but the buttons being on, message lag is the worst, its got to the point where im opening and closing the menu 3 times until its caught up... also im getting general lag and slowness in the menus now aswel. i have no music on here, about 20 photos, i havent done anything to it because i only just found out how to get into the registrys! its a joke, and you can say 'install the tweaks and roms' or whateve r,but why should we rely in people here at xda to adress the flaws and fix them, when the least id expect from a £500+ phone is to be able to send a text lag free! also, web browsings ridiculously poor image quality, poor you tube video quality, its crap! ive tried i.e., but its buggy, opera is my favored but with horendous image quality, and opera mini is the worst browser ive ever used...
In time cant wait to start customising it and playing around, but with things i want to, not because i have to due to htc's laziness...
I've not even considered sending i back once, and i wont, i love it, but im hoping htc are going to address and fix these things that shouldnt need fixing!

matt_attack_2k1 said:
hi mate, i was watching the hd2 for a couple of months andi i finally got one about 2 weeks ago now. i must say initially i loved it, the look, the size the style, i thought it was perfect, but over the past week things are starting to annoy me now. ive had to pull my battery out a fair few times due to the screen staying blank but the buttons being on, message lag is the worst, its got to the point where im opening and closing the menu 3 times until its caught up... also im getting general lag and slowness in the menus now aswel. i have no music on here, about 20 photos, i havent done anything to it because i only just found out how to get into the registrys! its a joke, and you can say 'install the tweaks and roms' or whateve r,but why should we rely in people here at xda to adress the flaws and fix them, when the least id expect from a £500+ phone is to be able to send a text lag free! also, web browsings ridiculously poor image quality, poor you tube video quality, its crap! ive tried i.e., but its buggy, opera is my favored but with horendous image quality, and opera mini is the worst browser ive ever used...
In time cant wait to start customising it and playing around, but with things i want to, not because i have to due to htc's laziness...
I've not even considered sending i back once, and i wont, i love it, but im hoping htc are going to address and fix these things that shouldnt need fixing!
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I never had to take the battery out of mine, it never crashed, image quality was superb when browsing and You Tube videos were perfect!

Stoic33 said:
For facebook try: http://touch.facebook.com/
so far it beats the facebook app and the lite site.
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Thanks for that - works great !

I used to have wm phone 3 years ago while there was nothing better in the market and it did the job very well. Then I bought an iphone 3G and I saw the new meaning of user friendly interface and responsive phone. I had the iphone for 2 years and 3 days ago I bought the HD2. Now the iphone looks like comparing DOS with windows! The iphone interface is so simple and the CPU is very slow. It crashes sometimes (once per 10 days approx) and Apple policy is the worst! They want to control their clients and release whatever and whenever they want. When I first got it I couldn't even send MMS or use my own ring tones(there was a whole list of things you couldn't do even though they were supported by the hardware). You cant customize anything because they want to keep and maintain an 'apple' look. Before I got my HD2 everyone had an Iphone whenever I was (train, bus, streets) and I was feeling like I was one small piece in the mass that apple was controlling...
HD2 allows you to do many things whitout comrpimising the user friendliness. I only restarted my phone after I installed critical updates. The battery lasts the same but at least you can replace it whenever you want. Also you can upgrade the memory and connect many different bluetooth devices. Yesterday I connected my bluetooth keyboard and wrote a page in word mobile. Can you do that with the iphone? I synched my contacts with facebook and now I have all the pictures automatically filled. Also with the HD2 you can play almost every media file without transcoding. Can you do that with the iphone? Of course not...The hardware allows you but Apple dont..
Also what about the radio? The led flash?
I am very happy that I moved from the Apple game into a free device that you can do whatever you want but at the same time having this very good looking GUI that makes you feel like being in the future....
I kept my iphone at home as an alternative console/pda because I knew that some programs and especially games will be missing from HD2 so whatever does not exist on HD2 (yet), it is on the iphone.

biofotis said:
I used to have wm phone 3 years ago while there was nothing better in the market and it did the job very well. Then I bought an iphone 3G and I saw the new meaning of user friendly interface and responsive phone. I had the iphone for 2 years and 3 days ago I bought the HD2. Now the iphone looks like comparing DOS with windows! The iphone interface is so simple and the CPU is very slow. It crashes sometimes (once per 10 days approx) and Apple policy is the worst! They want to control their clients and release whatever and whenever they want. When I first got it I couldn't even send MMS or use my own ring tones(there was a whole list of things you couldn't do even though they were supported by the hardware). You cant customize anything because they want to keep and maintain an 'apple' look. Before I got my HD2 everyone had an Iphone whenever I was (train, bus, streets) and I was feeling like I was one small piece in the mass that apple was controlling...
HD2 allows you to do many things whitout comrpimising the user friendliness. I only restarted my phone after I installed critical updates. The battery lasts the same but at least you can replace it whenever you want. Also you can upgrade the memory and connect many different bluetooth devices. Yesterday I connected my bluetooth keyboard and wrote a page in word mobile. Can you do that with the iphone? I synched my contacts with facebook and now I have all the pictures automatically filled. Also with the HD2 you can play almost every media file without transcoding. Can you do that with the iphone? Of course not...The hardware allows you but Apple dont..
Also what about the radio? The led flash?
I am very happy that I moved from the Apple game into a free device that you can do whatever you want but at the same time having this very good looking GUI that makes you feel like being in the future....
I kept my iphone at home as an alternative console/pda because I knew that some programs and especially games will be missing from HD2 so whatever does not exist on HD2 (yet), it is on the iphone.
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The iPhone that you had for 2 years is either the 1st or second generation iPhone, and they are of course slow. The 3GS is not slow compared to Leo.
If you just jailbreak your phone, which is a mere 30 seconds affair comprising clicking a button when running BlackRa1n, then the things which you want to do including typing on bluetooth keyboard would be possible.
The only real attraction of Leo compared to iPhone is the screen size and resolution. The pink patch in the camera spoils the otherwise better camera. As for speed, I think there isn't differential.
Using window mobile instead of Android is however the biggest weakness of this device. There is no future in window mobile. Any application that we invest in on Leo today will not be compatible with WM7, if there is going to be one released at all before Leo becomes average or dated.
The WM6.5 UI is extremely stale. Good applications are hard to come by. Many applications and developments are in the nature of fixing up stuffs in order to correct bugs or make them more useable. Nobody is developing application on an OS that's at the end of its shelf life.

You could always check out the Nexus One also. It's gotten good reviews everywhere that I've read.

My experience and negatives of SGS II

Hello XDA.
These are NOT MAJOR problems for me personally. The phone is brilliant, blazing fast. However if I had to pick out things I disliked/gripes these would be it. And will update if I or we happen to find more.
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- MicroSD and Sim slot has switched places from original SGS
Its more common to take the MicroSD out than the SIM card. Have to take the battery out just to insert/take out my MicroSD!!!
- Camera prone to scratches
The little platform that the camera is raised on is prone to scratches.Laying on a table the phone virtually rests on the camera lens! Comparing with the SGS the case takes the damage.
A good temporary way would be to stick a bit leftover from invisishield onto where the "8.0 MEGA" sign is and let that take the weight and scratches.
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- Gap in Speaker
I don't know if you've noticed but there is a GIANT GAP between the slits of the cover and the internals underneath it. And unlike the SGS I. There is noway to reach inside it get get dirt/bits out. Is a big whole waiting to collect dust IMHO. :S
- Lack of Base comparing to the SGS I
I have to say the speakers on SGS II imho is not better than SGS I. Maybe there was a bit of compromise in the design?
On the original SGS you couldn't listen to it whilst on the table or sofa.
Now on the SGS II there is a massive gap between the outer chasis and the internal speaker inside so you can listen to music perfectly without any muffling when laid on a surface which is a GOOD THING. However there seems to be a real lack of base comparing with the SGS I.
- No cover for MicroUSB slot
Again dust prone. Why they took that feature out from the Original sgs I don't know.
- Did not come with USB2go or HDMI cable EDIT: Samsung Infuse 4G has a USB2Go adapter included in box!
I know they didn't advertise this as one of the strongest points but a little disappointed that it didn't come with it. I actually asked about this at CPW on launch day but the accessories were still all boxed up so couldn't take a look.
- Some people having problems with Screen
Pixel/Lines appearing and disapperaing. But looking at this forum and others only a minority/rare case and I personally don't have this problem on my SGS II.
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- Flash videos
Problems with BBC iPlayer, video stuttering. A faint mesh background when you watch any flash embedded videos using the stock browser.
TRY TESTING THIS YOURSELF. Play a video which has a white if not a bright coloured background.
- Menu Key vibration in Game Hub
It is excessively long and loud unlike any other hubs or just when you press the menu key.
- Low call volume when using personal head phones. CONFIRMED

yeah, I've noticed these things too... but since I wasn't an original sgs owner didn't think too much of it. I actually noticed the deep speaker gap when I saw something just inside.... had to fish it out with a toothpick?!

dk206 said:
- Camera is a real worry. The little platform that the camera is raised on is prone to scratches. I don't like cases and I tried sticking the bits left out of my Invisishield screen protector onto the back cover but it doesn't seem to stick on...I was trying to stack a a neat circle of invisishield at the sides of the camera so when placed down on a desk/table it wouldn't scratch
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Doesn't the camera has also gorilla glass?
Otherwise it is a big worry

My negatives so far are
* Flash videos are not smooth on BBC iPlayer, even using the official iPlayer app.
* Camera shutter noise cannot be disabled
* Some popular games are not working, NFS Shift, Dungeon Defenders etc
* No LED for email/sms notifications
* Phone vibrates loudly when fully charged - waking me up at 4 am

dk206 said:
These are NOT MAJOR problems
Negative points for me
- MicroSD and Sim slot has switched places. Its more common to take the MicroSD out than the SIM card. Now I have to take the battery out just to insert/take out my MicroSD!!!
Not a problem i take sd card out once a year at most .
- No cover for MicroUSB slot again dust prone. Why they took that feature out from the Original sgs I don't know.
Odd that maybe they think wont attract dust as its on the bottom .
- USB2GO cable didn't come with the box!
Not expecting it to
jje
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hung77 said:
Doesn't the camera has also gorilla glass?
Otherwise it is a big worry
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Dunno. I bets not. Hope so but yeah, the glass edges mounted on the silver chrome is just waiting to get scratched! :S
@jgittins
Agree with the LED not having notification functions.
But the rest of the issues can be software-fixed and will improve in time e.g games compatibility. Remember the SGS II just came out. Like-wise maybe bbc iPlayer is not yet tailored for the SGS II. Strange though, my Carphonewarehouse phone did come with it installed. I'll check this out.
As for phone vibrating loud turn the vibration down in settings.
Camera shutter sound even on silent, yes I can confirm too that it is not working for me too. I'm on CPW (sim-free unlocked) firmware

JJEgan said:
- USB2GO cable didn't come with the box!
Not expecting it to
jje
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yeah agree they are not major problems like I've said. I just tried focusing on the h/w problems which might be hard to change/alter unlike software problems.
The cable tbh I expected it to come with it.
The box is smaller than the Galaxy S which I applaud Samsung environmental/wasting less resources but for a 500Pounds phone...disappointed nonetheless.

dk206 said:
Dunno. I bets not. Hope so but yeah, the glass edges mounted on the silver chrome is just waiting to get scratched! :S
@jgittins
Agree with the LED not having notification functions.
But the rest of the issues can be software-fixed and will improve in time e.g games compatibility. Remember the SGS II just came out. Like-wise maybe bbc iPlayer is not yet tailored for the SGS II. Strange though, my Carphonewarehouse phone did come with it installed. I'll check this out.
As for phone vibrating loud turn the vibration down in settings.
Camera shutter sound even on silent, yes I can confirm too that it is not working for me too. I'm on CPW (sim-free unlocked) firmware
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Since screen is SAMOLED you can get an app to flash a couple of pixels with minimal power drain IIRC
RE the vibration, if it's annoying, I'll find a way to stop it by hacking the framework if required...

Hmm nothing really sticks out as bad or negative, personally just gripes.
Also annoyed by the SD card being ballache to remove, I'd prefer a external access port.
I'd prefer Samsung not stamping there name front and back, on the back would have been fine, I'm well aware of what i bought it doesn't need a f'in label.
Disappointed with the hotspot on the camera CCD. had this on the HD2, Desire etc.
I don't like the lack of a notification LED
The clicking of the hardware key sounds cheap IMHO.
16gb storage, hmm 2gb apps 2.5gb unaccounted for? 500mb Rom 500mb Rom backup? even at that rate, still missing 1.5gb ???
Battery life isn't what i hoped for, can't get anywhere near other users standby times
USB2GO not included nor HDMI lead?
all in all i am happy but a few adjustments and it would have been perfect, literally

jgittins said:
My negatives so far are
* Camera shutter noise cannot be disabled
* Phone vibrates loudly when fully charged - waking me up at 4 am
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Those two drawbacks are actually disturbing, as SGS has an option to disable shutter sound from within camera settings.
I also remember, that in previous, first Froyo firmwares for SGS it was also vibrating at night when charged.
Samsung fixed it with newer firmwares and this problem was gone.
I wouldn't worry about this just yet, I think those two maybe fixed in the future.

pulser_g2 said:
Since screen is SAMOLED you can get an app to flash a couple of pixels with minimal power drain IIRC
RE the vibration, if it's annoying, I'll find a way to stop it by hacking the framework if required...
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camera shutter noise is priority now I think.
Really strange usually U.K or Europe for that matter has the function to silent shutter noise when in silent/vibration mode for companies like Samsung, Nokia etc.

diablous said:
Hmm nothing really sticks out as bad or negative, personally just gripes.
I'd prefer Samsung not stamping there name front and back, on the back would have been fine, I'm well aware of what i bought it doesn't need a f'in label.
I'm actually glad they did this. People need to know that it is a Samsung phone and not a knock off of an iPhone most people believe it to be. The general public will be amazed with Super AMOLED plus therefore I think it was good Samsung to do this front and back. (IMHO)
The clicking of the hardware key sounds cheap IMHO.
You mean the middle home button????
16gb storage, hmm 2gb apps 2.5gb unaccounted for? 500mb Rom 500mb Rom backup? even at that rate, still missing 1.5gb ???
Yeah this is a little strange, will look on this
Battery life isn't what i hoped for, can't get anywhere near other users standby times
Hmmm I've been easily getting over 24hours with my moderate usage. 3G always on/ MP3 everyday 45mins there and back from Uni, browsing 2hours at least. Auto-sync turned on all day
USB2GO not included nor HDMI lead?
Neither included...for a 500 Pound phone...
all in all i am happy but a few adjustments and it would have been perfect, literally
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yeah agree. Happy, blazing fast. Like the SGS will only get better and better with time. I'm just so looking forward to what our devs can do with this beast >

diablous said:
Hmm nothing really sticks out as bad or negative, personally just gripes.
Also annoyed by the SD card being ballache to remove, I'd prefer a external access port.
I'd prefer Samsung not stamping there name front and back, on the back would have been fine, I'm well aware of what i bought it doesn't need a f'in label.
Disappointed with the hotspot on the camera CCD. had this on the HD2, Desire etc.
I don't like the lack of a notification LED
The clicking of the hardware key sounds cheap IMHO.
16gb storage, hmm 2gb apps 2.5gb unaccounted for? 500mb Rom 500mb Rom backup? even at that rate, still missing 1.5gb ???
Battery life isn't what i hoped for, can't get anywhere near other users standby times
USB2GO not included nor HDMI lead?
all in all i am happy but a few adjustments and it would have been perfect, literally
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I'm only going to refer to the 16GB part. I know that when I purchase ANY storage (hard drive, memory card) it is NEVER the full amount. Such as my 16GB micro SD card gives me around 14GB of space. Just like my 500GB hard drive is also in the 400 something GB range for usable space. It is just the nature of storage, you never get the full amount .

my personal negatives are:
1.no touch to focus on camera app.(it does work, my bad)
2.aliasing on web pages.
3.too many incompatible games.
4.no mhl cable bundled with the phone
that's all

awesome-member said:
my personal negatives are:
1.no touch to focus on camera app.
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Mine does..
What i done like:
the gap inbetween the screen and the silver bezel
the home button moves around a little
Big gap where the speaker is
no protective cover for the camera

jgittins said:
My negatives so far are
* Flash videos are not smooth on BBC iPlayer, even using the official iPlayer app.
* Camera shutter noise cannot be disabled
* Some popular games are not working, NFS Shift, Dungeon Defenders etc
* No LED for email/sms notifications
* Phone vibrates loudly when fully charged - waking me up at 4 am
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Agreed, how can the shutter noise not have an option to turn it off????
use an APP called NOled it worked amazingly on the SGS1

RedBlueGreen said:
Mine does..
What i done like:
the gap inbetween the screen and the silver bezel
the home button moves around a little
Big gap where the speaker is
no protective cover for the camera
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opps,,,, mine does too. i swear it didn't a minute ago. only after i rebooted the touch to focus worked.

valdigre said:
Those two drawbacks are actually disturbing, as SGS has an option to disable shutter sound from within camera settings.
I also remember, that in previous, first Froyo firmwares for SGS it was also vibrating at night when charged.
Samsung fixed it with newer firmwares and this problem was gone.
I wouldn't worry about this just yet, I think those two maybe fixed in the future.
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i dont understand. original SGS had the vibrate issue when full, so they fixed it. they relesae the successor, and put the issue back in place? oh samsung you silly devil dogs, cant think things thru can they...kinda stupid.

My number one concern is bbc iplayer.
When I visit the iplayer website and play video it suffers from stuttering.
My second concern is white mesh on flash animations. Why cant the vectors be smooth like flash on the pc?

Dannyboyni said:
My number one concern is bbc iplayer.
When I visit the iplayer website and play video it suffers from stuttering.
My second concern is white mesh on flash animations. Why cant the vectors be smooth like flash on the pc?
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As I've said this before above somewhere iPlayer will most certainly improve for SGS II. It just came out.
I have no problems with flash. Watch (not in youtube) embedded sites and click full screen set on 1080p it is AMAZING.

Satisfied with the hardware, disappointed by the software

Coming from a HTC Desire HD ,I have just received my Galaxy SII.
The hardware is great : very good screen, nice colors , very light, good speaker ans sound , far above my HTC Desire HD.
BUT: I am very disppointed by the software , far behind my HTC Desire HD:
HTC Sense is much better than TW ( I know, I can use another launcher) ,
Email client is crappy ( background black, no limitations in mail size limit, or limited download schedule) . The dialer in T9 can only find people by the last or the first name but not by both, the keyboard of the HTC is much better ( where are the 4 arrows ?).
I am afraid that I will find in the next days other software limitations.
Daniel

I feel the same way, i switched to Go Launcher EX and for the keyboard i have Smart Keyboard pro.
Lets hope the device gets popular and CM gets ported to it.

SquirtingCherry said:
I feel the same way, i switched to Go Launcher EX and for the keyboard i have Smart Keyboard pro.
Lets hope the device gets popular and CM gets ported to it.
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I will try Smart Keyboard pro . In the meantime, I am trying K9-mail as Email client. much better than Samsung Email program.

Danielfr said:
Coming from a HTC Desire HD ,I have just received my Galaxy SII.
The hardware is great : very good screen, nice colors , very light, good speaker ans sound , far above my HTC Desire HD.
BUT: I am very disppointed by the software , far behind my HTC Desire HD:
HTC Sense is much better than TW ( I know, I can use another launcher) ,
Email client is crappy ( background black, no limitations in mail size limit, or limited download schedule) . The dialer in T9 can only find people by the last or the first name but not by both, the keyboard of the HTC is much better ( where are the 4 arrows ?).
I am afraid that I will find in the next days other software limitations.
Daniel
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I hate TouchWiz. I don't know why they bother. It was the same with the Galaxy Tab, great device but crap overlay.
I've put Launcher Pro on mine with a touch of Beautiful Widgets. I much prefer the dock icons now. They are not as in your face as TouchWiz:
Galaxy S II Screen Shots - Picasa Web Albums http://v3.nu/mvdgk3

Anyone finding any lagging when the power button is pressed? Mine takes some time before the screen wakes after the power button is pushed

kinda agree with op here.. i am infact thinking about returning my galaxy s2 and just keep my desire phone. but i guess once there is a clean rom out for it, the phone will be nice.

and what about ultimate codecs for every media out there for example?
you can change keyboard, dialer....i just cant realise how u compare some crap/changable things near something that makes this phone unique

Danielfr said:
Coming from a HTC Desire HD ,I have just received my Galaxy SII.
The hardware is great : very good screen, nice colors , very light, good speaker ans sound , far above my HTC Desire HD.
BUT: I am very disppointed by the software , far behind my HTC Desire HD:
HTC Sense is much better than TW ( I know, I can use another launcher) ,
Email client is crappy ( background black, no limitations in mail size limit, or limited download schedule) . The dialer in T9 can only find people by the last or the first name but not by both, the keyboard of the HTC is much better ( where are the 4 arrows ?).
I am afraid that I will find in the next days other software limitations.
Daniel
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Have to totally disagree with you.
1.My Email client works spot on.
2. The bluetooth when using speaker in the car doesn't cut out half way through talking.
3. The GPS locks in seconds where as i couldn't get a lock where i lived for about 5 minutes.
4. I like the Touchwiz 4 even after coming from HTC it has some great touches as many of the people off here have said.
5. I use the gingerbread keyboard which i used on my HTC device.
6. Camera is so much better, as is Video & Gaming..
7. Plus the biggest bug bear with HTC Tiny Memory.
So for me its no contest ...

Try dialer one. It can T9 search both first last and number in contacts and call logs all at once, has speed dial, can bring contacts most often contacted to the top of the results and you can set multiple number contacts with a defaut number. I don't even have a contact icon on my screens because I don't ever go into it. Dialer one will normally bring up the contact in a few clicks. I have 300 contacts so that isnt a huge number but still impressive to be a few clicks away from a contact at that number.

I've come in from the original HTC Touch HD
Sure it's a different layout, and I've really got to like the way I had my HD
I'm trying to resist the urge to make it like my old HTC HD.
So far, I'm very happy, all so much quicker. But look forward to what might be available shortly

Becoming hesitant to buy
Those kind of posts make me hesitant to buy the SGS II
I bought the SGS I which was a total disaster (yes i believe the device should work out of the box given the sh$$t load of money you pay for it)
I switched then to Desire HD which was great, then i sold it wanting to buy the SGS II after all the hype about it and everyone claiming that all the SGS I problems have been solved
after reading this post, i am getting second thoughts
I really dont want to invest in it then end up selling it after a month to buy the sensation. I like the software stability of HTC and dont know whether samsung has improved their stability on the SGS II, or not.....................

RADLOUNI said:
Those kind of posts make me hesitant to buy the SGS II
I bought the SGS I which was a total disaster (yes i believe the device should work out of the box given the sh$$t load of money you pay for it)
I switched then to Desire HD which was great, then i sold it wanting to buy the SGS II after all the hype about it and everyone claiming that all the SGS I problems have been solved
after reading this post, i am getting second thoughts
I really dont want to invest in it then end up selling it after a month to buy the sensation. I like the software stability of HTC and dont know whether samsung has improved their stability on the SGS II, or not.....................
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I'm starting to get hesitant also esp for the price I have to pay for an international phone.

Not sure about the GS2 Email but you can set background color on SGS1. I guess SGS2 should allow you to do the same thing.
Keeping the background black is good for ur battery.
I don't like the dailer though, but don't expect anything better on a "clean ROM", the AOSP is almost worse on everythings.

I personnaly love the software and really like TouchWiz, I even prefer it over sense. It is really great in it's version 4.0.

I sold my Desire HD and purchased the iPhone 4....
HUGE mistake, what a piece of s#@t that is....
I then sold the iPhone 4 and bought the SGS2....
And to be honest, I want an HTC back as Sense if much nicer than the cheap childish looking TouchWiz thing.....
The signal is shocking and is never stable, spent most of my time refreshing webpages today which in turn drained my battery....
Speed Test results were extremely inconsistent, they did however on occasion make the phone seem worthwhile, but browsing is a different matter, or lack of browsing should I say (Bottom result is Wi Fi)
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The DHD browser and signal is by far the fastest I've ever come across....
When browsing on the SGS2 you see chequered board until you stop scrolling....
Have had to 'Force Close' browser about 5 times, and a few other processes about 4 times when I wasn't really doing anything - that's within 24 hours....
Until Samsung create a nice looking OS, then I shall stay well away....
Why should I purchase a mobile that I need to flash/root and annihilate just to have a mobile that I like....
I'm not trying to slate the phone, I'm merely creating a 'review' I would have liked to have read prior to purchasing this phone....
I watched numerous videos on YouTube which made this device look so cool, when infact, it's far from it.....
It's like a Genio with Balls

I came from a DHD to the SG2 and guess what? I love it!
Battery life blows the DHD away, the screen is better, the sound quality is better really hated the low sound on the desire, the camera is better and video, my GPS locks quickly and the browser is superior due to gpu acceleration I did a side by side test and far smoother when scrolling.
Sure Sense is lovely but there are replacements,the only one replacement which is hard to replace is friendstream but tweetdeck is pretty decent.
As for keyboard I'm using the keyboard from here Thumb Keyboard its free and has the arrows as well and I think better than HTC stock keyboard.
You won't be disappointed with the Samsung although the Desire HD is still a lovely phone.
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My battery life is the same, as the SGS2 constantly struggles to connect to 3g
I saw that there was a new firmware and have just installed it in the home it would maybe help my lousy 3g connection....
It didn't....
Off to ebay with this one I think

Maybe I have a different understanding, but I find it unnecessary to think that a phone should work perfectly out of the box, rooting and changing rom isn't all that hard especially we are already talking on xda, just spend a few minutes reading the step by step guides and you are fine.
Perhaps that is the reason I chose samsung, crappy software can be modified, but battery life cannot.
Overall, I'm very happy with the new purchase
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If you've just received your phone how are you so sure that e.g Touchwiz is crappy?
It took me 2 days to get to know and use TouchWiz4 properly and efficiently. I don't think you know how to use it or shall I say "know how to use it to its full potential", if you have just got it.
Keyboard? everyone's got their preference.
Email client? it is one of the best out there right now. Give it a few days.

I quite like some of the additions they made, the notification bar seems great with the quick access stuff and i noticed that I can use audio controls within the notification bar if I use the stock music player. I don't use the launcher as I prefer launcher pro. The phone app isnt too bad seems basic but better than stock. The actual calling is good as it moves the hold button to the bottom and you can text as soon as usual hang up which I find handy. Personally I use Youlu. Again I use a lot of alternative apps already so the main things I use are the little tweaks to the phone itself. The good think about it is it doesn't slow down the phone as it's such a speedy phone
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Galaxy S II

Hi, I was an andorid user and when i had one i loved it too bits then came windows phone 7 and im not going to lie i loved that more, however I am due a upgrade and the sheer power of the new andorid phones overpower windows phone 7 handsets and adter watching some youtube videos web browising is faster. However I have a few questions, would you recommened it? How is the batter life with e-mail updates constant/instant and few web browsing. My old android x8 had soem lag, has this now been sorted due to the power or is it jsut andorid os?
Thanks

Here's some things to consider with the SGS2. Some of what's listed effects different users to different degrees.
- Display
There's a band on the left side that seems discolored on a gray background at 20% brightness in the dark. Some see it in everyday use, some don't. I'd venture a guess that more don't or the hue and cry would be louder. If you're anal retentive about your display, check out the 60 page thread.
- Wi-Fi
Seems wonky for some users. It may be equipment specific (EG: router) or strangeness with a particular handset. There's a couple of threads running on that.
- 2G/3G/4G
There's some connectivity issues depending on what network you're on. Make sure your location and/or carrier aren't ones people may be having issues with.
- Audio
If you're an audiophile there's a couple of threads on audio performance which, due to a number of factors, has been deemed by pros to be below that of the original Galaxy.
- Camera
There's a bunch of threads on stills and video. Read them if you're a heavy camera user. Biggest issue now is a pink spot showing up photographing white backgrounds in natural light.
- Battery
Average at best. As things currently are, plan on 10-16 hours depending on how you use the phone. There's an issue in 2.3.3. that effects dual-core phones and Samsung's issuing an update to 2.3.4. any day now which is supposed to correct it.
Based on the way I (and only I) use the phone I'm very happy and the above issues either don't bother me or don't effect me. The phone's fast, the display is beautiful, and it's a great all around device. Compare your hot buttons to those of others and if you think you're good, by all means get the phone.

Don't forget the color banding, gradients don't appear smooth but look banded like they did in the 90's with 16 bit color

godutch said:
Don't forget the color banding, gradients don't appear smooth but look banded like they did in the 90's with 16 bit color
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There's a thread on whether the phone's fully using its 24bit capabilities via the display. The theory is that when software is directly addressing the screen its fine. When drivers get involved it drops to 16bit. The same thing happened to the Nexus S and was fixed in 2.3.4. We're hoping the same thing happens.

I would just like to that all you for your comments, so far all the problems are actully scaring me lol. However with all these problems would you still reccommened this phone? If so do you like it more than your previous andorid phone?
Thanks

andoridkiller said:
I would just like to that all you for your comments, so far all the problems are actully scaring me lol. However with all these problems would you still reccommened this phone? If so do you like it more than your previous andorid phone?
Thanks
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Problems i have none of the above and suggest the ones that do are in a minority as always .
Choice is yours but remember that a forum like tis does not get may saying its brilliant by its very nature those that perceive a problem post those that dont have the problem dont post .
Plus the posters of xxx problem always manage to post multiple threads saying exactly the same .
jje

JJEgan said:
Problems i have none of the above and suggest the ones that do are in a minority as always .
Choice is yours but remember that a forum like tis does not get may saying its brilliant by its very nature those that perceive a problem post those that dont have the problem dont post .
Plus the posters of xxx problem always manage to post multiple threads saying exactly the same .
jje
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+1 nicely put
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andoridkiller said:
I would just like to that all you for your comments, so far all the problems are actully scaring me lol. However with all these problems would you still reccommened this phone? If so do you like it more than your previous andorid phone?
Thanks
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Look, if your just using it as a device that can phone, text, take pics when you need that arent for a magazine or something, play some tunes whilst you are on the bus or whatever, do some modding if you are that way inclined then buy it. If you are fussy about anything like that find something else. People will always find problems with devices like this as they are used to better maybe or compare it to a device thats is specifically for playing music or taking photos. This is a great phone, best i have had and i am well pleased. Just my opinion anyway.

Im so tired of people summing up everyones experience. I have a sgs2 from first batch and I have none of the problems youll find on the first 2-3 pages of threads. Remember like the member above me said, people with complaint threads will post before a postive thread. Complaint threads will get the most attention and see the most post. There might be less then 10 members actually having the problem if you read through the thread.
Display: gradients on screen is really only not that noticable unless your anal. Only time I see it is when I open xda app(takes ages to load on brown screen) and others are seeing it on the intro to angry birds. Not while actually playing but the intro lol. Screen is beautiful and works 99.9% correctly.
Wifi: I have no issues with connection or speed. I download lost of big files daily. Mostly mixtapes and other files usually around a 100mb+. I get connection and my 15-20mbs download no matter where im at in my house.
2g/3g/4g/ My device stays connected through 3g all day. When im actually downloading or using data it switches in 1sec to H+. Real world usage is really fast in North florida but if im playing with speedtest apps I will get mixed reviews.
Audio- I start my music at work around 9am everyday. I work with loud ass dogs and other various animals on a daily basis. Never had a problem with audio coming through my handset and I use the included headphones. At 50% I can hear my audio over barking dogs. In my vehicle with my 2 12s and 1000w amp you can hear me from a block away. Easily matches my wifes iphone4 if not better with poweramps eq.
Camera- No issues here. Just getting back from short trips to jacksonville fl, orlando, and north georgia(mostly ATL) and no pink spots on my photos.
Battery life is all user to user. I myself have the luxury of charging my phone over night unlike others on the website. I can do my heavy using from 9-6 everyday and still have 30-50% when I get home. Music is always playing through headphones(9-6) 2 emails checking hourly, check xda 1000times, browse atleast 20 websites throughout the day and other numerous stuff and can make it home after a work day. If I was anal I could get 2days out of my phone before it actually dies. Remember with android most problems are User Error.
Unless you are in love with Sense, theres no phone that can match it until the next sgs comes out.
BarryH_GEG said:
Here's some things to consider with the SGS2. Some of what's listed effects different users to different degrees.
- Display
There's a band on the left side that seems discolored on a gray background at 20% brightness in the dark. Some see it in everyday use, some don't. I'd venture a guess that more don't or the hue and cry would be louder. If you're anal retentive about your display, check out the 60 page thread.
- Wi-Fi
Seems wonky for some users. It may be equipment specific (EG: router) or strangeness with a particular handset. There's a couple of threads running on that.
- 2G/3G/4G
There's some connectivity issues depending on what network you're on. Make sure your location and/or carrier aren't ones people may be having issues with.
- Audio
If you're an audiophile there's a couple of threads on audio performance which, due to a number of factors, has been deemed by pros to be below that of the original Galaxy.
- Camera
There's a bunch of threads on stills and video. Read them if you're a heavy camera user. Biggest issue now is a pink spot showing up photographing white backgrounds in natural light.
- Battery
Average at best. As things currently are, plan on 10-16 hours depending on how you use the phone. There's an issue in 2.3.3. that effects dual-core phones and Samsung's issuing an update to 2.3.4. any day now which is supposed to correct it.
Based on the way I (and only I) use the phone I'm very happy and the above issues either don't bother me or don't effect me. The phone's fast, the display is beautiful, and it's a great all around device. Compare your hot buttons to those of others and if you think you're good, by all means get the phone.
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intruda119 said:
Display: gradients on screen is really only not that noticable unless your anal. Only time I see it is when I open xda app(takes ages to load on brown screen) and others are seeing it on the intro to angry birds. Not while actually playing but the intro lol. Screen is beautiful and works 99.9% correctly.
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If you call this "not that noticable" I give up :
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(Nexus One vs S2 @ "the Impossible Game" )
Do you think this is a normal IQ for a High End device like the S2?
As to Angry Birds 1 & Rio (and other games too) it is not only noticable in the intros my friend ... if you play them you will see !

Yeah I consider that not noticable in my book.
1st photo is a picture of the battery charging when phone is turned off if I'm correct. I don't stare at my screen when its just charging. In my real world use ill never see that long enough to annoy me.
2nd pic is when its connected to kies. When I actually use keis I'm not looking at the phone. I'm not saying its not there but the first 2 pics is not something I see daily. Im guessing the 3rd is a game but I don't play it. But the gradient is there.
I'm pretty sure I've heard its a software issue and not hardware. I find the pictures you posted funny. It shows me how hard it is to reproduce the gradients. But like I've said before I must have crap standards to accept a phone with imperfections. Can't believe I spent 700 on the best phone out to date.
To me this is a small issue that's resolved with a software update or one of the amazing devs come up with something. We don't have a ton of choices and I rather have gradients on a FEW screens vs what HTC is doing.
I understand that im a early adaptor of a device. Things may be changed/fixed in the next couple of months like nfc or something.
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Im so tired of people summing up everyones experience.
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So your solution is to sum up yours and assume your individual device and personal expectations trump all? All hail the king.

Yotaphone 3 wishlist

Fingerprint scanner
Faster epd
Led light on epd for night reading
4gb ram
64-128 storage
Theme engine
Same screen size for front and back.
Etc
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I would like to see better EPD with reduced ghosting, bigger storage, and most importantly: lower price. The price has been the biggest issue (apart from availability) which has been keeping the developer community so small: if there are no users, why bother creating applications for the device?
But based on the few articles I've read, most of these issues are being worked on for the next iteration: http://www.technobuffalo.com/2015/0...taphone-2c-heres-whats-coming-next-from-yota/
Edit. Oh yes, a notification led. There is no way seeing if you've got messages apart from opening the front screen in the dark. The led should be placed on one of the sides so it would be visible no matter which screen was facing up.

When they lowered the price it showed less people where interested.
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adamo86 said:
When they lowered the price it showed less people where interested.
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Curious. Well, the specs are falling behind pretty fast, and I think the big mobile giants had just released a new devices around that time. (S6 or the Edge, whatever it was called)
The cancellation of North America's launch migth actually move the release date of Yotaphone 3 closer than it was planned before, because now they don't need to get rid of those North America specific Yotaphones and wait for the market to settle and be ready for new iteration. Hopefully they can compete with the other flagship phones feature and valuewise.

If the specs where higher I think the price was good but the price for yotaphone 2 was too high just for an epd. What amazed me was the lack of development.
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adamo86 said:
If the specs where higher I think the price was good but the price for yotaphone 2 was too high just for an epd. What amazed me was the lack of development.
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Agreed. The development of 3rd party apps was greatly hindered because they released the SDK so late in the device's life cycle - and it's still in beta! The documentation is terrible, if not non-exsistent, and there are very few examples and/or tutorials. I practically had to tear the existing applications apart to get an idea how to do basic things. Also, I still haven't been able to get the emulator to work, so you basically NEED to have an actual device to develop anything. So it really isn't that developer friendly at the moment.
When it comes to 1st party apps, I think they have been quite alright. There is still room for improvement, but as of the latest updates I am ok with the current state. Most likely their development team has been working on bringing the support for Lollipop, so that has taken majority of their time.

Love the V2 phone a lot but too much wrong with it. I am an e-ink enthusiast and I think the display on this phone is fine... there is always a tradeoff between 'cleanliness' and speed... see this vid I made for the Nook https://vimeo.com/67164582 - and really if you want an outdoor phone, this is the only one on the market!
My wishlist
1) Actually have the battery life work as promised. My old Samsung Note does as well and it doesn't have an EPD or any fancy energy saving modes. The Y2 seems to last a couple of days on standby in Lollipop, not impressive.
2) Manage the heat properly in the phone, so it doesn't get excessively hot: that's a sign that (1) above isn't working properly - if your processor is working overtime when just reading stuff you have a problem
3) Make the case openable, so you can replace the battery, otherwise you're doomed to binning the phone after a 18 months- 2 years, and values of secondhand phones will(and are) reflecting that.
4 )Get the software written somewhere where things like QA, unit testing,documentation etc are culturally acceptable. Better to do these things well and deliver small but robust functionality. Okay, it won't sell a stack of phones but at least your service/support lines won't be jammed... and you never know, some of the folks on this forum (and me) might write some software for it!
5) Put a reasonable camera on the phone, unless you like all your shots looking like they are done in the Mosow subway...
6) Hardware buttons on the 'front' of the phone to do things like home, back etc. Makes better use of that lovely display(which is good imho)
7) Sell it with a bumper to protect the phone or make it more robust.
8) Allow you to remove the ABBYY spyware service (a dictionary that needs to know my contacts???) without rooting.
I might get another one but they seem prone to bomb out and get unrecoverable.. it is a big gamble...

It would seem that Yota is teaming up with ZTE for YotaPhone 3: http://www.androidauthority.com/yotaphone-3-zte-yota-642364/
Interesting to see what this means in practice. ZTE at least has the volume in production Yota has been severely lacking.

My whishlist:
I know it is probably unlikely but it would be cool if it was running Android Marshmallow (One step further towards impossible would be CyanogenMod)... Sooo, I don't know the restrictions to this but I know that the Pebble Time has a color e-paper display, if it's possible to upscale that to the bigger screen, it would be the best. Otherwise please either include a SD-Card slot or at least more internal storage than the YP2. I'm not that into much camera stuff but it wouldn't hurt either... And if anyhow possible, do include NFC, please... And as a final 'request:' add capacitive buttons, I'd be switching from a OnePlus One and just the choice is really great. With all this please do keep the price moderate.
Thanks.
TL;DR:
-Android Marshmallow (possibly CyanogenMod)
-SD-Card slot
-more internal storage
-NFC
-capacitive buttons
-maybe camera improvements
-always on E-Paper color rear display
-decent price?

On my wishlist, there would of course be many point already mentioned by other posters, but here's the top features I'm currently missing on my Yotaphone 2, and that I'd like to see in the Yotaphone 3:
1) First and foremost, a backlight for the EPD screen. I mean, my 100 Euros e-ink reader (Kobo Aura) features a user-selectable (on/off, and brightness level) backlight on its b&w e-ink display, and even when keeping the backlight always on at the minimum setting, I still get a month worth of battery life on a singe charge. Don't get me wrong, the EPD, is wonderfull in daylight, when there sunshine, etc. But right now, I find myself using my Kobo reader half the time because I can keep on reading in the dark, when my wife's asleep.
2) Already mentionned, but I do happen to own a Pebble Time smartwatch with a color e-ink screen, and I'd definitely love to see this technology in the EPD on the Yotaphone 3.
3) Third party software. As stated above, due to the limitations of the EPD (lack of backlight) I still find myself using my Kobo reader, and the lack of EPD-enabled Kobo-compatible e-reader application makes it a PITA to keep my ebook in sync between the two devices. Sure, I could use the Kobo reader on the Yotaphone, but the application is terrible and doesn't suport the EPD.
4) A dictionary that do work. Heck, I even went as far as spending a couple of bucks on additional dictionaries for Abby on the Yotaphone, but it seems that the more dictionaries I add, the less definitions it finds when I lookup an english word in my ebooks...
5) Hardware button, LED notifications, removable battery are definitely on my list, but only after a memory expansion slot (microSD), as 32Gb is definitely too small to hold a decent amount of audio/video.
6) I vote in favor of the better camera, but I'd particularly would appreciate a bigger framerate allowing slow motion videos like on the iPhone/iPod. My kids and wife can produce some great slow-motion videos on their Apple devices, and I can't. Life's not fair... )

euroclie said:
2) Already mentionned, but I do happen to own a Pebble Time smartwatch with a color e-ink screen, and I'd definitely love to see this technology in the EPD on the Yotaphone 3.
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What do you think of Pebble's color screen in practice? My understanding was that it is basically just a low-power LCD screen, so not a "true" e-ink screen. Does it work well in sunlight? Does it suffer from ghosting like Yota's EPD? Does it go blank when the battery runs out or keep the last image?

Jeopardy said:
What do you think of Pebble's color screen in practice? My understanding was that it is basically just a low-power LCD screen, so not a "true" e-ink screen. Does it work well in sunlight? Does it suffer from ghosting like Yota's EPD? Does it go blank when the battery runs out or keep the last image?
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I'm really happy with the Pebble Time's color display.
Sure enough, the colors/brightness are far, far from an Apple Watch, say, or my previous smartwatch (Moto 360). But in sunlight the screen is wonderfully easy to read. In poor lighting conditions (indoor, night, whatever....) you do need the backlight, though, but initially I had the motion detection enabled to have the screen automatically backlit when moving my arm to read time, but I found out that most of the time it wasn't needed, and was using power, so now I just press a button (back button) when I need the backlight, and regardless of motion detection the battery life is impressive.
No ghosting at all, unlike the EPD on the Yotaphone, and I didn't completely drain the Pebble battery so I can't be 100% sure that the last image stays on the display in that case.

MCManuelLP said:
I know it is probably unlikely but it would be cool if it was running Android Marshmallow (One step further towards impossible would be CyanogenMod)... Sooo, I don't know the restrictions to this but I know that the Pebble Time has a color e-paper display, if it's possible to upscale that to the bigger screen, it would be the best. Otherwise please either include a SD-Card slot or at least more internal storage than the YP2. I'm not that into much camera stuff but it wouldn't hurt either... And if anyhow possible, do include NFC, please... And as a final 'request:' add capacitive buttons, I'd be switching from a OnePlus One and just the choice is really great. With all this please do keep the price moderate.
Thanks.
TL;DR:
-Android Marshmallow (possibly CyanogenMod)
-SD-Card slot
-more internal storage
-NFC
-capacitive buttons
-maybe camera improvements
-always on E-Paper color rear display
-decent price?
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Yp2 does have nfc
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adamo86 said:
Yp2 does have nfc
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Oh, ok, thanks... didn't find it in the specs.

MCManuelLP said:
Oh, ok, thanks... didn't find it in the specs.
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Anyone knowing when will they release any news about the Yota 3?

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Anyone knowing when will they release any news about the Yota 3?
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I'm going with same tactic as I did with the Yota 2 - google phone name every day once. Nothing solid on dates yet, all we really know it's it's meant to come this year and ZTE are building it.

Based on LACK of development of apps / widgets for the e-ink display i won't even be looking at any news about it never mind buying one !!! really disappointed with yota should have been released in usa

kam1962 said:
Based on LACK of development of apps / widgets for the e-ink display i won't even be looking at any news about it never mind buying one !!! really disappointed with yota should have been released in usa
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They tried with the indiegogo approach, it didn't outcome well. They could insert the HSPA. Here on Brazil they got the LTE network right, but they didn't move yet.
It's a small company and I hope it gets bigger. They try to sell advances in cellphone tecnology, since most of the others big names on the market just update hardware and software, with no thinking outside the box like before.
I just think the prices are too high. Got myself a second hand one (yet yotaphone 1), really amazing device. I need lots of reading, so this device is just great to me.
I hope yota3 comes to USA and other countries.
Best wishes!

Good luck finding a Chinese manufacturer that listens to the needs of existing customers. But at least they will produce a phone with a competitive price.
Wish list? I agree with others' lists, to keep up the radical reputation will require a large colour EPD.