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So unfair.

This is just so unfair.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAbsmHMAhrQ&feature=player_embedded

Uhhhmm... Why?

what is so unfair?
it works and does the same as the phone version, just bigger

Maybe he meant unfair because we cant get a decent FW for our phones because Samsung is focusing on the tablet.
It is really a strange feeling. Besides the size difference, I caught myself with envy that my phone could do the same thing, just being smaller.
But in fact it can't, because we never get the software.
Paulo

so what.. remember it has drawbacks too..
1. propriatary adapter instead of true hd socket.
2. no removeable replaceable battery..i like having spare batteries ready.
3. strange resolutin 1024x600
4. no super oled screen. .supposedly bad viewing angle support.
5. expensive.. will see price when carriers pick it up

there's a bigger chance i'll pick up one of these
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.44673
instead of the Tab, just because of price/size matters
it might not be as good as the Tab, and not even close to our phone, but it's great for size and compatibility to runt he same apps we run on our phones at a larger screen
I think of it as a really good backup of my stuff on the SGS phone, in case crap happens and i need to restore all the info back quickly
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Operating System: Google Android 2.1
Processor: Telechips TCC8902
CPU Frequency: 720MHz ARM11
Ram: 256M DDR2 RAM
Flash: 2GB
External memory: Support micro SD/TF card up to 32GB
Display: 7" TFT LCD with resistance screen touch
Resolution: WVGA 800*480-pixel resolution
Touch Control: Full size touch operation, sliding menu, functional icon dragging
Orientation Sensors: With accelerometer, automatic steering display screen
Network: IEEE802.11b/g Wi-Fi network connection
Camera: Built-in 300K Pixels camera
Microphone: Built-in
Speaker: Built-in 1 speaker
Slots: 1 * TF card (support up to 32G)
1 * 3.5mm earphone
1 * Mini USB
1 * HDMI Out (support 1080P HDMI TV out)
1 * Power supply
Support Video Formats: MPEG1/MPEG2/WMV9/MPEG4-SP/ASF/DIVX/H.263/H.264/RMVB/MOV/MKV/TS/FLV
Support Audio Formats: WMA/MP3/WAV/OOG/AAC/EAAC
Support Picture Formats: JPG/GIF/BMP/PNG
Language: Support for display of multiple languages and characters simultaneously
Battery: Built-in 3000mAh Lithium battery (manufacturer rated)
Input/Output Adapter: Input: 100-240V (EU plug)
Accessories: 1 * AC power adapter
1 * Stylus
1 * USB host cable
1 * English user manual
Manufacturer's Warranty: - 12 Months excluding physical damages (see specifications for terms and details)
Specifications
Dimensions: 7.17 in x 4.53 in x 0.59 in (18.2 cm x 11.5 cm x 1.5 cm)
Weight: 12.03 oz (341 g)

ppeccin said:
Maybe he meant unfair because we cant get a decent FW for our phones because Samsung is focusing on the tablet.
It is really a strange feeling. Besides the size difference, I caught myself with envy that my phone could do the same thing, just being smaller.
But in fact it can't, because we never get the software.
Paulo
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Alot of companies do this type of tatic of focuing all materials and personale on a new product development. i dont believe samsung does this and tries to allocate its resources equally....

These pure tablet PC's are the most overrated technology ever anyway..
Hybrids such as the Lenovo Ideapad U1 make more sense, because touchscreens don't provide good enough feedback for typing. I understand that pure touchscreen-exclusive tablets seem cool, but they are actually a step back in productivity, and ergonomics. And only a company which makes a puck mouse seem cool (and in reality, focuses on irrelevant design issues rather than real ones) could bring these into fashion..
Don't waste money on them, until they can at least modify the shape of the touch screen panel to provide proper tactile feedback (ie, surface changes or lumps).
Instead, just get a netbook or a convertible tablet...

the problem with Laptops/Tablets is the weight and poor battery life compared to the tablets
i have a laptop, and it sits at home 90% of the time because of that
instead my SGS has almost replace my laptop entirely, just missing a mouse and keyboard, then i'll be set
looking forward to Froyo, which already confirmed support for BT mouse+keyboards, yay!

I'm sorry, Allgamer, but I have to ask, why are you pushing the SGS so hard?
1) 2 weeks ago, you were claiming that you were a power user, who had to swap your mobile phone batteries once a day, you have a BT headset, which you probably need to charge once a day, and now, a bluetooth keyboard you'll need to charge every 2 or 3 days too? You have a problem with Hybrid battery life (of 5 to 8 hours), but no problems shutting down your mobile to swap batteries constantly?
2) We both know the SGS is awkward to hold (and hurts your wrist after a while), and you can't really lay it down on the table.
3) You complain about the weight, but, the U1 tablet weighs 700gm and the entire hybrid weighs 1.7kg. My CCNA book weighs 1.6 KG as reference. You are in your 20's I thought, and you are already having trouble carrying a book?
4) Power users need productivity, and the SGS is TOTALLY inefficient. One problem is screen size, which makes it difficult to perform many tasks efficiently.
Sorry, but your comments are certainly starting to raise red-flags. By the sounds of things, you either aren't being honest to yourself, are exaggerating your use as a power user, or are trying to make things difficult for yourself.
Tablets don't entirely make sense, but they do as convertible hybrids.. Smartphones make sense for some things, but I have serious trouble believing that "power users" are best suited to using a mobile.

Too big for my pocket. And if I can take that with me, I also can take my netbook.
It's not much bigger...
For gaming+TV it would rock. There is no TV-tuner built in?
Also I need possibilities to run openoffice on it, so I can use it for presentations...

rdenis said:
Finally someone called out this moron for his load of BS he keeps spewing - I'm guessing he's about 14 and gets beat up a lot..
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I wouldn't say that..
But it's the same effect I saw when selling Apple equipment. People become so involved with their devices, that they begin to take an unrealistic look at how good they REALLY are. Apple Mac Pro's are the perfect example.
* In general, the video cards being sold with the Mac Pro's are generations behind those available on PC's. But people love them.
* Some people also LOVED the Apple might mouse, despite the right button being near-impossible to click successfully, because they didn't realise the competition allowed scrolling left and right too.
* Over time, all OSX users seemed to have convinced themselves that Windows crashed every day (even if iPhoto was crashing right in front of them).
*It's the same effect which has convinced Linux users that UAC is more intrusive than PolicyKit (it's actually the opposite).
Either way, the tablet seems targeted at the gimmicky crowd. Their main benefit is casual browsing, and watching movies. But lets face it, touchscreens are still HORRIBLE for typing, and most of us would like to be able to chat to someone whilst watching a movie.
But that's just my thoughts.. Time will tell, but you can't fix the ergonomics issues with tablets, until they are at least bendable, the pixels on the screen can displace themselves forward or backwards (or simply change smooth to rough) or have a perfectly polished neural interface (but neural interfaces are still under heavy development)

Speaking of which... what happened to the flexible display I read about a prototype a year or two ago?
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1- i still do and i always carry a spare battery with me when i go out, that's how often i use the SGS phone, and i keep an extra spare in the car, for when the one i have runs out, and i need another spare to keep with me.
the BT headset doesn't get charge every day, battery life is quite good, only gets charge once every week or two depending on usage, i use the phone for online activities not for yapping
BT keyboard is just a convenient for typing faster, they are foldable, it shrinks down to a pda size, still fits in a pocket, they existed since the Palm times, what's what made the BT keyboard popular, battery life depend on how much you type on it. you won't be charging a BT keyboard as often as you would charge a BT headset.
2- no idea how you are holding it, but it works just the same, for typing with the on screen keyboard it's pretty natural, i even do it one handed when i'm busy with a drink on the other hand, it's not as quick as when you type with both thumbs, but it's doable for SMS and IM, definitely you wont want to type a long email with a single thumb
holding the phone for voice call will just be natural as well, like using any other phone, the only thing that bugs me is the proximity sensor, as it takes a split second to go back to the dialing pad screen, before you can switch to another application to look up for information meanwhile chatting with the customer
3- yes because i don't like to travel with bags, it has nothing to do with lifting weight it's just ruins the look of your shirt, it shifts the shirt to a side with the weight and it doesn't look good, you don't want to hang out with a lady or partying with buddies carrying a laptop/ipad/tablet around is just trouble (it can get beer in it, it can get stolen if you leave it on the side of the restaurant/bar/anyplace, you might forget it if the meeting is going so well and having too much fun, ladies will look at you like a geek, some nicer restaurant will throw you a bad eye for pulling out a laptop on the table, you go to a cinema with a laptop and pull it out they'll automatically think you are going to capture the movie, been there done that, not fun, it was totally stupid if you ask me, since when you can get a decent recording out of a laptop webcam? LOL )
all of that aside, when you pull out an iphone or the SGS, no one will complain to you, instead people would say WOW! can i see that, can i do this, can i play that, can i... you get the idea, it's totally 2 side of the spectrum
That's what Apple is selling, and that's what people like, non geeky devices that works, and Samsung is just riding the same wave.
Personally i don't care, i just want a device that is better than Windows crapile, and the combination of Samsung hardware + Android OS have done that for me.
If PalmOS was still around on a phone similar to SGS i'd have gone the PalmOS way instead, as the OS is much more polished, still buggy, but there are tons of Apps for it... too bad the company went under bought by HP, and trashed to the pages of history.
4- for me productivity means being able to get online and log on to servers anywhere i'm in, for documents we got ThinkFreeOffice which is sufficient for me, and i was able to convert my old Palm Doc To Go office to the Android version of Doc To Go. with the SGS i can hookup to all my different companies accounts (15+), and they will all each keep their own separate contact list, in Wincrap mobile it would have been a major mess, you can't have both personal and work accounts together, now that's efficiency for me.
same goes with IM, i can be online with all my email accounts and people can contact me all over, it's so easy, in Wincrap i had to use those jabber IMs to do the same and it was always disconnecting because it goes through jabber and it's not stable enough to make IM conversation a good experience as people always said i was offline when i was not.
Since i switched to SGS using the stock push email & IM, i've not had any problem, all my customers are happy, and when customers are happy, i'm happy.
Typing is decent with SGS, it can be better with a BT keyboard, too bad i can't use it yet until Froyo is out.
Browsing speed is amazing, i can look up stuff instantly, this is a great topic when having a coffe with friends and customers, i'm a forgetful person i depend on a reliable PDA for my work, so it's amazing for people when they see i can jump back and forth between apps in the phone to look up about the stuff i forget during our conversations and then continue with the meeting.
It is just so natural this phone, compared to all previous ones. the best thing is, it's small, it can go anywhere, even under water if you put it on one of those waterproof bags for PDAs available on DX
If being able to do everything you need to do at anywhere and at anytime is not efficient for you, then i don't know what is, but for me that is exactly the type of device i need to do my work, and hobby, and entertainment, and picture, and recording, and specially the GPS as i use it every day while i drive, my Speedo in the car is broken.
was trying to install some custom mods to the car and screwed up the speedo needle fuel tank needle is dead as well, good think it lights up when it runs low in gas.
All in all you don't need to believe me, but that is truly how magnificent this phone works for people that knows how to use it.
I give free lesson and consulting on how to use it and get the most out of it and people love it, as usual I'll extend my hand for anyone that needs help with the phone in the GTA area, just PM me to book for an appointment.
i carry the XDA App anyways, i use it all the time to check my PMs and forum topics when i'm idle
andrewluecke said:
I'm sorry, Allgamer, but I have to ask, why are you pushing the SGS so hard?
1) 2 weeks ago, you were claiming that you were a power user, who had to swap your mobile phone batteries once a day, you have a BT headset, which you probably need to charge once a day, and now, a bluetooth keyboard you'll need to charge every 2 or 3 days too? You have a problem with Hybrid battery life (of 5 to 8 hours), but no problems shutting down your mobile to swap batteries constantly?
2) We both know the SGS is awkward to hold (and hurts your wrist after a while), and you can't really lay it down on the table.
3) You complain about the weight, but, the U1 tablet weighs 700gm and the entire hybrid weighs 1.7kg. My CCNA book weighs 1.6 KG as reference. You are in your 20's I thought, and you are already having trouble carrying a book?
4) Power users need productivity, and the SGS is TOTALLY inefficient. One problem is screen size, which makes it difficult to perform many tasks efficiently.
Sorry, but your comments are certainly starting to raise red-flags. By the sounds of things, you either aren't being honest to yourself, are exaggerating your use as a power user, or are trying to make things difficult for yourself.
Tablets don't entirely make sense, but they do as convertible hybrids.. Smartphones make sense for some things, but I have serious trouble believing that "power users" are best suited to using a mobile.
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i have spare batteries too.. one i leave at work in case i forget.. i also use the external wall chargers.. the onese that go from purple to blue when charged... i have a couple of the g9 batteries i got from the samsung website and find they work even better than the g7 batteries..

I'll probably stick to my SGS and HP Elitebook 2730 tablet for when I need a larger display. With the extra battery slice on the latter I can easily rival the IPad's battery life yet do a heck of a lot more. It is heavier but I don't mind.
Given that Google says Froyo isn't designed for tablet use I'll probably hold off on the Tab either way though.
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funkeh said:
I've been browsing this forum for a little while now and found AllGamers threads very helpful indeed and it hasn't cost me a penny.
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that's usually a major thing i keep in mind, like to stick with FREE stuff, because i'm poor... well not exactly true, i just spend money like there's no tomorrow, buying whatever i feel like on the spot if it tickles my fancy.
so FREE helps a lot, LOL
99% of the apps i suggest from android market are free, as i try to save were i can, so that i can spend it else when when i go out drinking

Any further posts in this thread, by any member, that are not directly related to the thread topic (i.e. the relative merits of the Galaxy Tab vs. the regular SGS variants) will met with immediate disciplinary action.

Android looks relatively Vanilla on the Tab. Can someone use the tab firmware to cook a similar ROM for the Galaxy S?

Intratech said:
Android looks relatively Vanilla on the Tab. Can someone use the tab firmware to cook a similar ROM for the Galaxy S?
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I'm pretty sure once we (some one from XDA) can get their hands on a working unit, that might actually be possible
as the Tab shares so much in common with the SGS, except for the screen size
we might need to edit the Aspect Ratio / resolution on the Tabs ROM and we might be able to use on our phones
i like the Gmail app version running on the Tab, you can split the screen, we can't do it yet with our current version when in landscape mode
Outlook lovers will love that feature

G2 Q&A

Anyone have some questions about it they'd like answered?
Is the trackpad illuminated? Trackpad isn't, but around it glows white every 30 seconds or so. On incoming calls it flashes.
How's the picture and video quality? Nothing amazing but I am not disappointed. The camera app is very responsive. Low-light pictures aren't that great and there are some obvious artifacts, but that's to be expected. Colors seem washed out in low-light, and slightly over-saturated and "blown out" in decent light. The flash is pretty bright and works well. Video is not bad at all but being a spoiled video encoder for the best video tracker on the internet, it's not as good as I'd like -- not that I expected it to be from a phone. On complex/action scenes it seems a little bitrate-starved. May be a limitation of the 3gp container or hardware -- I'm not sure.
720p Video:
Outdoors - Fairly impressed with how smooth it is. Had to cut the video short to avoid showing pooping action to the world (don't worry, entirely safe for work ).
Indoors - Same color issues as the camera, but really cannot complain. It's friggin' 720p video recording in my pocket.
How big is it? Slightly thinner than the G1. I honestly think it's a very reasonable size. It doesn't feel as thick since it's also wider. I don't see how anyone can complain about the size, but I'm also someone who's grown up using HTC QWERTY phones.
How fast is it? WOW. Of course, this is based on my use of the G1, but damn is it fast! Everything is as smooth as could be on Android. Not iPhone smooth, but it's more of an OS thing. I will report back with benchmarks after I wipe the G1 and install the latest CyanogenMod6 so it's a fair(ish) comparison.
How is the screen? Very nice. Crisp, bright, and the color is great. The screen feels a bit more plastic-ish than some other phones, but I'm not complaining. Doesn't feel cheap and isn't anything to worry about, honestly. It does attract fingerprints and smudges.
Is Swype pre-installed? Yes!
What else is pre-installed? Amazon MP3, Browser, Calculator, Calendar, Camera, Car Home, Clock, Contacts, Earth, Email, Facebook, Finance, Gallery, Gmail, Goggles, Google Search, Google Sky Map, Google Translate, Latitude, Listen, Maps, Market, Messaging, Music, My Account, My Device, My Tracks, Navigation, News and Weather, Phone, Photobucket, Places, Quick Keys, Quickoffice, Settings, Setup, Shopper, Talk, TTS Service Extended, Twitter, Voice, Voice Dialer, Voice Search, web2go, YouTube. I understand a lot of these are just basic Android apps, but that's the entire app tray. There is also Adobe Flash Player 10.1.
Is Adobe Flash installed? Yes.
How much memory? It comes with the 8gb MicroSD already installed, and reports 7.39GB free. Internal phone storage reports 1.23GB free.
How's the keyboard? Feels very nice and tactile, just the way your mother likes it. Will take me a little while to get used to after using the G1 for 2 years. Not only because it's a row shorter, but because a lot is moved relative to its location on the G1. For example: I keep pressing .com when I mean to press 'a'
How are voice actions? I honestly don't know if this is a new feature, but it is pretty darn nice. I can see it coming in handy when driving, assuming it doesn't pick up too much noise (my car isn't quiet ).
How loud is the speaker? Doesn't seem very loud. It's loud enough for most situations, but I surely wouldn't try using it in a noisy location. It sounds equally loud as the G1.
How is the signal strength? Honestly, seems about the same as my G1. I get full strength everywhere I had full strength, and have no signal in the same places (in my house, and in a huge building at work...).
How responsive? Very responsive. I've not noticed any lag no matter how many apps I have running. Pinch-zoom is always smooth. Scrolling long lists (200+ contacts, for example) is smooth. Anyone coming from a G1 will be extremely happy.
Battery life? Very good so far, but I haven't done a complete discharge cycle yet to make the meter more accurate. Compared to my G1, it's significantly better, but my G1 is 2 years old and the batteries do lose capacity. So far, I'm not worried at all. I'll report back after a couple days of use, although by then you all should have one
Is there a mystery hole (lol) for noise canceling by the speakerphone grill? I don't see any mystery hole. If the angle of light is just right, you can barely see where the sensors are to the left of the speaker grill. Maybe the earlier pictures were prototypes and the hole was for the sensors.
Can I hold the phone how I want? Heck yes. I'm sure if you do some funky death grip solely to prove you can hold it and lose some signal like some other companies like to do, that you could find a way to hold it and lose some signal. Normal use you will not have any issues and I can't find a way to hold it that would make it lose signal.
Does the LED change colors when charged? Yes, amber when charging and green when fully charged.
Does it come with a case? No. Only comes with a usb cable, headphones, and a usb wall charger.
Does the package require signature? Mine didn't. He walked to the door and handed me a padded envelope with the box in it and left.
Other notes:
- It will not update Google Goggles. Always says the update was unsuccessful.
- I don't understand the point of the "My Device" icon. It takes me to the same place as "My Account."

I think the biggest is the trackpad. Is there a light? And PS i hate u lol

Lucky you, I have a question, is there a light around the trackpad?

eyoung1978 said:
Lucky you, I have a question, is there a light around the trackpad?
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That is like the biggest ? now. I would off taken today off

post some pics from camera so we can see quality also a short video in HD

Most other people will be getting there's tomorrow like me. So I'm guessing we should start making new threads for all the question. That y we won't have a million micro post
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What phone are using now?
If it's a n1 please get a side shot comparison to see the thickness difference.

I'm kicking it old school with the G1
I was one of those impatiently waiting for the preorder to start, and of course had it preordered the first day.
I will take pictures and record some HD video, indoors and out. Fortunately the weather is nice today.
xile6 - not really sure what you're saying, but if I'm understanding you right I'll be putting the questions/answers at top to find them easily. This thread will only be around for a few hours anyway, since most others will get theirs tomorrow

Jorsher said:
I'm kicking it old school with the G1
I was one of those impatiently waiting for the preorder to start, and of course had it preordered the first day.
I will take pictures and record some HD video, indoors and out. Fortunately the weather is nice today.
xile6 - not really sure what you're saying, but if I'm understanding you right I'll be putting the questions/answers at top to find them easily. This thread will only be around for a few hours anyway, since most others will get theirs tomorrow
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Yes i just made a post with from fqa
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8372387#post8372387

Yes the track pad has a light around it. So far only one color. I have been using it for a day now. One issue is googles goggles won't update.... not really a big deal but that's one thing I've noticed. Coming from the Nexus its very similar so that's good. Size wise it is not that noticeably bigger but you can tell when you hold it. Swype comes stock. That's about all I have for now. Oh the slid mechanism feels pretty solid as well.
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what about any lag? how is the browser scrolling? pinch and zoom lag? how about flash content? i heard it is hardware accelerated for flash content... ummmm how about the stock launcher in general is it smooth? i don't know about everyone else but i'm commin from a g1 and these were big issues with me. well minus the flash we had none lol. Also how about multi-tasking? music playing browsing at the same time.. need info pleeez lol
P.S. any cool new google app programs that we don't already have in froyo that you can notice? any issues with facebook or sync?

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What phone are using now?
If it's a n1 please get a side shot comparison to see the thickness difference.
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From http://www.tmonews.com/2010/09/the-g2-has-started-shipping-has-yours/
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Thanks for the heads up.
I'm gonna have to sit it out and wait until they have a demo at the local store, still looks a little to thick for me.

Browsers pretty smooth flash player is about the same as the N1 I went to a flash site and it played fine it took a bit to load but it was about the same as the N1. Launcher is silly fast tho....
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Track pad is not illuminated, and noticing right now that there isn't a notification light, the light for battery charging is on the right side of the speaker grill, but it's under the grill
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Oh and you can't uninstall the Google apps you don't use which is pretty common.
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The track pad is not illuminated but the part around the track pad is.
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IMPEREAL said:
The track pad is not illuminated but the part around the track pad is.
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Would you mind checking Wi-Fi strengh, how far or how many walls affect the reception.

also is anyone on the new hspa+ network. flash should come up fast on the faster network... someone needs to try out a movie lol

crr127 said:
also is anyone on the new hspa+ network. flash should come up fast on the faster network... someone needs to try out a movie lol
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Galaxy S II

Hi, I was an andorid user and when i had one i loved it too bits then came windows phone 7 and im not going to lie i loved that more, however I am due a upgrade and the sheer power of the new andorid phones overpower windows phone 7 handsets and adter watching some youtube videos web browising is faster. However I have a few questions, would you recommened it? How is the batter life with e-mail updates constant/instant and few web browsing. My old android x8 had soem lag, has this now been sorted due to the power or is it jsut andorid os?
Thanks

Here's some things to consider with the SGS2. Some of what's listed effects different users to different degrees.
- Display
There's a band on the left side that seems discolored on a gray background at 20% brightness in the dark. Some see it in everyday use, some don't. I'd venture a guess that more don't or the hue and cry would be louder. If you're anal retentive about your display, check out the 60 page thread.
- Wi-Fi
Seems wonky for some users. It may be equipment specific (EG: router) or strangeness with a particular handset. There's a couple of threads running on that.
- 2G/3G/4G
There's some connectivity issues depending on what network you're on. Make sure your location and/or carrier aren't ones people may be having issues with.
- Audio
If you're an audiophile there's a couple of threads on audio performance which, due to a number of factors, has been deemed by pros to be below that of the original Galaxy.
- Camera
There's a bunch of threads on stills and video. Read them if you're a heavy camera user. Biggest issue now is a pink spot showing up photographing white backgrounds in natural light.
- Battery
Average at best. As things currently are, plan on 10-16 hours depending on how you use the phone. There's an issue in 2.3.3. that effects dual-core phones and Samsung's issuing an update to 2.3.4. any day now which is supposed to correct it.
Based on the way I (and only I) use the phone I'm very happy and the above issues either don't bother me or don't effect me. The phone's fast, the display is beautiful, and it's a great all around device. Compare your hot buttons to those of others and if you think you're good, by all means get the phone.

Don't forget the color banding, gradients don't appear smooth but look banded like they did in the 90's with 16 bit color

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Don't forget the color banding, gradients don't appear smooth but look banded like they did in the 90's with 16 bit color
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There's a thread on whether the phone's fully using its 24bit capabilities via the display. The theory is that when software is directly addressing the screen its fine. When drivers get involved it drops to 16bit. The same thing happened to the Nexus S and was fixed in 2.3.4. We're hoping the same thing happens.

I would just like to that all you for your comments, so far all the problems are actully scaring me lol. However with all these problems would you still reccommened this phone? If so do you like it more than your previous andorid phone?
Thanks

andoridkiller said:
I would just like to that all you for your comments, so far all the problems are actully scaring me lol. However with all these problems would you still reccommened this phone? If so do you like it more than your previous andorid phone?
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Problems i have none of the above and suggest the ones that do are in a minority as always .
Choice is yours but remember that a forum like tis does not get may saying its brilliant by its very nature those that perceive a problem post those that dont have the problem dont post .
Plus the posters of xxx problem always manage to post multiple threads saying exactly the same .
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JJEgan said:
Problems i have none of the above and suggest the ones that do are in a minority as always .
Choice is yours but remember that a forum like tis does not get may saying its brilliant by its very nature those that perceive a problem post those that dont have the problem dont post .
Plus the posters of xxx problem always manage to post multiple threads saying exactly the same .
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+1 nicely put
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andoridkiller said:
I would just like to that all you for your comments, so far all the problems are actully scaring me lol. However with all these problems would you still reccommened this phone? If so do you like it more than your previous andorid phone?
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Look, if your just using it as a device that can phone, text, take pics when you need that arent for a magazine or something, play some tunes whilst you are on the bus or whatever, do some modding if you are that way inclined then buy it. If you are fussy about anything like that find something else. People will always find problems with devices like this as they are used to better maybe or compare it to a device thats is specifically for playing music or taking photos. This is a great phone, best i have had and i am well pleased. Just my opinion anyway.

Im so tired of people summing up everyones experience. I have a sgs2 from first batch and I have none of the problems youll find on the first 2-3 pages of threads. Remember like the member above me said, people with complaint threads will post before a postive thread. Complaint threads will get the most attention and see the most post. There might be less then 10 members actually having the problem if you read through the thread.
Display: gradients on screen is really only not that noticable unless your anal. Only time I see it is when I open xda app(takes ages to load on brown screen) and others are seeing it on the intro to angry birds. Not while actually playing but the intro lol. Screen is beautiful and works 99.9% correctly.
Wifi: I have no issues with connection or speed. I download lost of big files daily. Mostly mixtapes and other files usually around a 100mb+. I get connection and my 15-20mbs download no matter where im at in my house.
2g/3g/4g/ My device stays connected through 3g all day. When im actually downloading or using data it switches in 1sec to H+. Real world usage is really fast in North florida but if im playing with speedtest apps I will get mixed reviews.
Audio- I start my music at work around 9am everyday. I work with loud ass dogs and other various animals on a daily basis. Never had a problem with audio coming through my handset and I use the included headphones. At 50% I can hear my audio over barking dogs. In my vehicle with my 2 12s and 1000w amp you can hear me from a block away. Easily matches my wifes iphone4 if not better with poweramps eq.
Camera- No issues here. Just getting back from short trips to jacksonville fl, orlando, and north georgia(mostly ATL) and no pink spots on my photos.
Battery life is all user to user. I myself have the luxury of charging my phone over night unlike others on the website. I can do my heavy using from 9-6 everyday and still have 30-50% when I get home. Music is always playing through headphones(9-6) 2 emails checking hourly, check xda 1000times, browse atleast 20 websites throughout the day and other numerous stuff and can make it home after a work day. If I was anal I could get 2days out of my phone before it actually dies. Remember with android most problems are User Error.
Unless you are in love with Sense, theres no phone that can match it until the next sgs comes out.
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Here's some things to consider with the SGS2. Some of what's listed effects different users to different degrees.
- Display
There's a band on the left side that seems discolored on a gray background at 20% brightness in the dark. Some see it in everyday use, some don't. I'd venture a guess that more don't or the hue and cry would be louder. If you're anal retentive about your display, check out the 60 page thread.
- Wi-Fi
Seems wonky for some users. It may be equipment specific (EG: router) or strangeness with a particular handset. There's a couple of threads running on that.
- 2G/3G/4G
There's some connectivity issues depending on what network you're on. Make sure your location and/or carrier aren't ones people may be having issues with.
- Audio
If you're an audiophile there's a couple of threads on audio performance which, due to a number of factors, has been deemed by pros to be below that of the original Galaxy.
- Camera
There's a bunch of threads on stills and video. Read them if you're a heavy camera user. Biggest issue now is a pink spot showing up photographing white backgrounds in natural light.
- Battery
Average at best. As things currently are, plan on 10-16 hours depending on how you use the phone. There's an issue in 2.3.3. that effects dual-core phones and Samsung's issuing an update to 2.3.4. any day now which is supposed to correct it.
Based on the way I (and only I) use the phone I'm very happy and the above issues either don't bother me or don't effect me. The phone's fast, the display is beautiful, and it's a great all around device. Compare your hot buttons to those of others and if you think you're good, by all means get the phone.
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Display: gradients on screen is really only not that noticable unless your anal. Only time I see it is when I open xda app(takes ages to load on brown screen) and others are seeing it on the intro to angry birds. Not while actually playing but the intro lol. Screen is beautiful and works 99.9% correctly.
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If you call this "not that noticable" I give up :
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Do you think this is a normal IQ for a High End device like the S2?
As to Angry Birds 1 & Rio (and other games too) it is not only noticable in the intros my friend ... if you play them you will see !

Yeah I consider that not noticable in my book.
1st photo is a picture of the battery charging when phone is turned off if I'm correct. I don't stare at my screen when its just charging. In my real world use ill never see that long enough to annoy me.
2nd pic is when its connected to kies. When I actually use keis I'm not looking at the phone. I'm not saying its not there but the first 2 pics is not something I see daily. Im guessing the 3rd is a game but I don't play it. But the gradient is there.
I'm pretty sure I've heard its a software issue and not hardware. I find the pictures you posted funny. It shows me how hard it is to reproduce the gradients. But like I've said before I must have crap standards to accept a phone with imperfections. Can't believe I spent 700 on the best phone out to date.
To me this is a small issue that's resolved with a software update or one of the amazing devs come up with something. We don't have a ton of choices and I rather have gradients on a FEW screens vs what HTC is doing.
I understand that im a early adaptor of a device. Things may be changed/fixed in the next couple of months like nfc or something.
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Im so tired of people summing up everyones experience.
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So your solution is to sum up yours and assume your individual device and personal expectations trump all? All hail the king.

My Initial Impressions & Pictures!

Hello Pixel C community!!!
Just wanted to give my initial impressions and pictures.
PICTURES
To sum up the initial experience, this device screams premium. It starts with unboxing:
So far everything is really responsive. The screen is brilliant and very bright. There is no lightbleed that I can tell whatsoever. Lightbleed is a BIG pet peeve of mine and this is refreshing to see that it is a non issue. The power and volume buttons have the same feel as the finish and they are firm. There is a tactile (not audible) click to them that I wish more devices have.
The speakers are loud and clear. They do lack in the low end but that is to be expected in phones/tablets in general right now. The mic's for "OK Google" work well close up (about 5ft range) but further than that it only sometimes picks up my command. I think I read down the road they will have support for "OK Google" with the screen off but for now it only works with it on.
The keyboard is very robust. It has a weight to it that builds confidence for travel. When the keyboard is attached to the front of the display the device has a solid and firm feel. It really has that familiar laptop feel when it is closed. Typing on the keyboard is a breeze. I was afraid the thin enter key would give me trouble but so far it has not. I do wish there was a track pad but I was planning on getting a portable mouse (Microsoft Arc Touch) for productivity on the go.
I set this up as a brand new device. After the setup and updates there is about 23.5 GB of storage left over. While charging there is a slight warmth coming off the back. It is charging (as I type) very rapidly. The charge cable is the USB type C and the length is adequate and on par with every other device I have bought.
All in all this is a very nice device so far. I have much to do with it still to get the full feel but right now it is blowing me away! I thought the initial experience of the Nexus 6P was great...This is amazing!
Thanks for reading and let me know if you have any questions or concerns and I will try to address them asap!

Hi! Nice review, what about gaming performance?, I would like to play some exclusive games like mount and blade or trine and I would like to know if it can handle it ,can you play a little with it and tell us ?

Agallardok said:
Hi! Nice review, what about gaming performance?, I would like to play some exclusive games like mount and blade or trine and I would like to know if it can handle it ,can you play a little with it and tell us ?
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I am still testing out everything and getting it how I like it. I will definitely test out gaming soon.

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I am still testing out everything and getting it how I like it. I will definitely test out gaming soon.
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Thanks you for that, I'm really interesting in buy one,but I want to know how it works,I ll alert if you post something here. Regards!!

How much does the tablet wobble when tapping the screen and typing on the keyboard?

Hi, nice to share this with us. I consider buying one, but only when Microsoft Office apps and MobileSheets is working properly. Would you mind testing this? Huge thanks!

Any back light bleed?

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How much does the tablet wobble when tapping the screen and typing on the keyboard?
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There is not much wabble at all when typing with the keyboard while on a hard surface. Taping the display will cause a very slight wobble, a mirco wable if you will. It is really firm though. If it was bad I definetly would notice it and not like it. Im typing with is as we speak and it is a joy really.

rjvdhoek said:
Hi, nice to share this with us. I consider buying one, but only when Microsoft Office apps and MobileSheets is working properly. Would you mind testing this? Huge thanks!
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So far on Android I have only used Google Docs. I have never tried the Microsoft office apps on any of my devices. If I end up using that solution for my needs on this I will let you know. For now Google docs work well for me.

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Any back light bleed?
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Zero backlight bleed. One of the first things I did was crank the brightness up all the way, turn out the lights, and do a backlight bleed test. Nothing. Absolutly nothing. I went through two Nexus 10's before ultametly getting my money back because of backlight bleed. It is a big pet peeve of mine.
The build quality of the Pixel C and its keyboard is excellent.

The VERY first thing I did when I received mine yesterday, was turn off all the lights, and turn the device on. ABSOLUTELY NO LIGHT BLEED. The device feels very sturdy, and built with "Premium" in mind, just like to OP stated. Is there a way to disable the battery light on the back?

atg284 said:
There is not much wabble at all when typing with the keyboard while on a hard surface. Taping the display will cause a very slight wobble, a mirco wable if you will. It is really firm though. If it was bad I definetly would notice it and not like it. Im typing with is as we speak and it is a joy really.
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Awesome! I guess some units had a bad wobble since I remember seeing some videos of some having a lot of wobble and some having none. Hope mine is like yours

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How much does the tablet wobble when tapping the screen and typing on the keyboard?
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While I'm not the OP, my Pixel C also arrived yesterday. I think ultimately it all depends upon how hard of a typist you may be. For me, this happens to be one of the most stable detachable keyboards I've ever used. It's definitely more stable than my Surface Pro 3 which I currently do most of my labor intensive tasks on .
I will add that the consensus of reviews I read immediately after placing my order cited keyboard lag on their test models. It didn't bother me though since I was primarily concerned with using this as a tablet replacement (for my ancient Google Nexus 10) as opposed to a laptop replacement. All I can say is that I've yet to experience any issues with key lagging or intermittent connectivity. While I did have to refresh my bluetooth scan a couple of times during the initial setup, I'm absolutely loving my keyboard's performance thus far.
There is an OTA update it immediately upon powering that may have something to do with resolving the so-called keyboard lagging. My only nit picks would be the lack of a trackpad, and that it does seem somewhat small. However I attribute that last matter to my previous experience with the Surface Pro 3. The more I use the Pixel C keyboard, the more I like it overall.

NikeGolfer said:
While I'm not the OP, my Pixel C also arrived yesterday. I think ultimately it all depends upon how hard of a typist you may be. For me, this happens to be one of the most stable detachable keyboards I've ever used. It's definitely more stable than my Surface Pro 3 which I currently do most of my labor intensive tasks on .
I will add that the consensus of reviews I read immediately after placing my order cited keyboard lag on their test models. It didn't bother me though since I was primarily concerned with using this as a tablet replacement (for my ancient Google Nexus 10) as opposed to a laptop replacement. All I can say is that I've yet to experience any issues with key lagging or intermittent connectivity. While I did have to refresh my bluetooth scan a couple of times during the initial setup, I'm absolutely loving my keyboard's performance thus far.
There is an OTA update it immediately upon powering that may have something to do with resolving the so-called keyboard lagging. My only nit picks would be the lack of a trackpad, and that it does seem somewhat small. However I attribute that last matter to my previous experience with the Surface Pro 3. The more I use the Pixel C keyboard, the more I like it overall.
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I appreciate your feedback as well I am growing more and more excited to receiving my Pixel C come Monday

Got my Pixel C today too (I'm typing this message out on it). Really impressed with the quality of both the tablet itself as well as the keyboard attachment; top notch all around. Screen is gorgeous, even if it does have a lower PPI than my 2013 Nexus 7 and my Nexus 6. I was worried about this when moving up to a larger size tablet, but so far I have no reason to complain. Haven't had a chance to try out the audio quality through the built-in speakers yet, but I'll watch my daily YouTube videos tonight on it to get an idea of what they sound like.. Not expecting miracles, but as long as they're decent quality, I'll be happy. For any serious listening (movies and such), I'll use my Pendulumic S1+ blutooth headphones.
I'm not going to do much on it tonight, as my USB-C to USB-A cable arrives from Amazon tomorrow, and at that poiint I'll unlock the bootloader, which will wipe the device anyway, so I'm just goinig to be using the bare minimum tonight. I do hope we get root soon, as I need to install an adblocker a.s.a.p. - haven't surfed without one in years outside of work, and I forgot how much of a pain it is!
Really, I'd say the whole unit just exudes quality. I was going to wait for a month or two to see how things progressed before making the final decision to buy one, but I got caught up in the hype when the embargo lifted on Tuesday, and all the reviews, both positive and negative, just reenforced how great this tablet would be for me. Not sorry at all that I went ahead and ordered it right away, and so far, with the little time I've had with it, I'm loving it.
[Edit] Just to throw one criticism out there, I did experience one instance of keyboard lag when typing up this post. Was easy to see as the letters just stopped appearing as I was typing. Stopped, and waited about 15 - 20 seconds, and then everything started back up again. I can see this getting annoying if it happens often enough, and I do hope Google fixes this in an upcoming software patch.

atg284 said:
Zero backlight bleed. One of the first things I did was crank the brightness up all the way, turn out the lights, and do a backlight bleed test. Nothing. Absolutly nothing. I went through two Nexus 10's before ultametly getting my money back because of backlight bleed. It is a big pet peeve of mine.
The build quality of the Pixel C and its keyboard is excellent.
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That's very good to know! My Nexus 9 pissed me off with the craptacular display! Backlight bleed and defective panels, my 9 was a nightmare.

Would you be so kind as to run the Androbench storage benchmark? I am really curious to see how the storage stacks up, speed wise. Nexus devices have historically had pretty piss poor storage performance and I am curious if the Pixel C is any better.

oRAirwolf said:
Would you be so kind as to run the Androbench storage benchmark? I am really curious to see how the storage stacks up, speed wise. Nexus devices have historically had pretty piss poor storage performance and I am curious if the Pixel C is any better.
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Here you go!
http://imgur.com/2TGgU63

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Here you go!
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Thank you!
I just ran the same benchmark on my Nexus 6P. It's kind of sad how much slower the Pixel C is, storage-wise. I don't understand why Google wont use a decent memory architecture in their devices...
Apples to apples using your image:
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oRAirwolf said:
Thank you!
I just ran the same benchmark on my Nexus 6P. It's kind of sad how much slower the Pixel C is, storage-wise. I don't understand why Google wont use a decent memory architecture in their devices...
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It looks like the sequential read is a bit on the slower end compared to the Nexus 6P. I love my N6P :victory:
I will say that the Pixel C is a pretty snappy device though. Much more fluid compared to my Note 10.1 2014 Edition.

Pros & Cons of Stock ASUS ZenUI Firmware

There have been a lot of changes in ZenUI over the time (about 9 months?) since the ZF2's launch, although rather disappointingly it is still based on 5.0 Lollipop. So I was wondering what you guys make of it in its current iteration? Personally, I am in two minds about the stock ASUS firmware and tend to flash back and forth between stock and CM rom. Focusing mainly on the stock ROM, and not thinking too much about visual design, which is a very subjective matter, here are my pros and cons:
Pros: Camera performance is good for the price and much better than with CM/CM-based roms. The latest version of the pixelmaster app is improved, and gives a lot of functionality (the manual mode is especially nice and now better integrated). While not all useful, there are a number of included ASUS apps that I find useful. For me, I make use of the SuperNote app, I find the ASUS email app much better than the gmail app, the Remote Link app is useful with a PC, I like having Splendid to adjust the display, the Weather app is handy, and I like the PhotoCollage app. Although I don't use it much, it is good having FM Radio functionality (always good to have a radio when you live in an area with earthquakes like I do), something you lose with custom ROMs. I think battery life is OK using stock firmware. A lot of flagship device reviewers quote 3 to 4 hours SOT in a day's use as being pretty good, and I easily exceed that on my Z008 with stock rom and most features turned on or maxed. I have a few qualms about the Zen launcher visually, but that is very subjective as I said. In terms of functionality it brings a hell of a lot to the table - touch gestures such as DTTS/DTTW and swipe down functionality, lots of launcher options such as app lock, homescreen lock, folder customisations, app drawer options, wallpaper settings options, the choice of one or two-layer style, scroll effects, themes and so on. The ASUS settings and quick-settings also offer some good extra functionality. The ASUS cover functionality is also nice if you have a view flip cover. While it is a shame that we are still stuck with 5.0, it is at least good that ASUS have started to roll Google's monthly security updates into their own updates.
Cons: Probably my biggest bug bear is RAM management. Not sure if this is an effect of 5.0's memory leaks, but my 2GB RAM model often has under 300MB free, compared to 600-900 on CM. Usually this doesn't affect performance and the UI is smooth, but sometimes it does seem to get jammed up. Disabling apps or denying apps in Auto-Start manager doesn't seem to have any effect on this. While it has improved a lot, I still have some problems with app connectivity when the device is sleeping. For example, regardless of my wifi settings and power-saver settings, TuneIn radio streams buffer or completely stop after a few seconds when the screen goes off. On CM I do not encounter this problem. (Edit: actually the tune in problem seems to have now gone away). USB connectivity with my Pioneer car stereo was also broken, I think by the PC Link suite CD Rom function. This is very annoying (and I would be very grateful if anyone has a solution to this problem). And one last one, though not a big issue - the Zen UI is, in my opinion, wasteful of space and the default DPI setting (320 on Z008) is too high and can't be changed easily and flawlessly.
What does everybody else think? Anything to add or anything you don't agree with me about? Let's discuss.

Pros: stability, official firmware, cool and useful apps and a beautiful overall (at least I like it) .
Cons: battery sucks.. Really, it does.

Great battery life on the Z00A here. I get between 5.75-7 hours of sot with about a days use without airplane mode or data turned off.
Biggest con is that their keyboard is buggy and if I try to add in a missed word in a sentence it will add it to the end and can take a few times to get it to add into the right spot or if I try to delete a word it deletes the last word even though the cursor is behind the word it deleted. The word prediction while swiping is rather poor also.
I own a Xiaomi mi3w, oneplus two and the ZenFone 2.
Although I do like the oneplus two a little more but bang for the buck and weighing pros vs cons this is the best deal.
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For the moment I have two issues
first: I can´t share file by wifi-direct
two: the battery life.

mvp001 said:
For the moment I have two issues
first: I can´t share file by wifi-direct
two: the battery life.
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Battery Life Sucks!
Share files by download the app "WiFile Transfer", easiest thing in the world
Good Luck!

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Battery Life Sucks!
Share files by download the app "WiFile Transfer", easiest thing in the world
Good Luck!
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I don´t want a app Android SO can use this option. This option can use in Asus zenfone in another android SO version.

Pro's are it's pretty fast.
Cons.......Volume button back is really hard to use, Annoying bloat-wear, speaker volume, music player, delayed voicemails, MMS issues, dropped calls even with correct APN settings, and a few others.
Thoughts are hoping marshmallow can resolve the issues because the phone is really lacking.

My main concern is the outdated video driver. It will not run one of the tests in 3DMark, for example

Pros: The UI is good and fairly smooth.
Cons: Over time the UI slows down as the phone runs out of memory...
ASUS should focus on having a solid and updated backend instead of adding UI features.

Pros; cheaper than others
Cons; not that cheap. cheaply built. Build quality really is @%!&. various problems, ear receiver sound, gps and gyroscope, battey drains, over heating (while not charging), camera slow to take photos and HORRIBLE white balance, cant turn off shutter sound on Japanese kernel even though its a sim-free device X_X"
Repair takes forever and comes in worse shape than it was before.
Updating ASUS apps only makes the phone lag more.
at least I can disable most of the stuff and choose not to update it.
Android is still stuck on 5.0 WHY!?!?! 2016, Hellllloo~

major9686 said:
Pros; cheaper than others
Cons; not that cheap. cheaply built. Build quality really is @%!&. various problems, ear receiver sound, gps and gyroscope, battey drains, over heating (while not charging), camera slow to take photos and HORRIBLE white balance, cant turn off shutter sound on Japanese kernel even though its a sim-free device X_X"
Repair takes forever and comes in worse shape than it was before.
Updating ASUS apps only makes the phone lag more.
at least I can disable most of the stuff and choose not to update it.
Android is still stuck on 5.0 WHY!?!?! 2016, Hellllloo~
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The topic was more supposed to be about the software than the phone as a whole, but whatever, it's all good.
Regarding not being able to turn off the shutter sound with Japanese firmware, that's because that is the law in Japan - presumably to try and stop pervy guys from taking surreptitious snaps of schoolgirls and office ladies on trains. My gripe with the models sold in Japan is more the pricing - we get hiddeously ripped off, paying near double the US prices. That's why I got an imported model - sacrificing a few LTE bands is worth it for the saving (and the added bonus of no shutter sound). Personally have had no problems with build quality or overheating on mine - sure, it is not premium build materials, but satisfactory for the price paid.
I am fairly satisfied with the current firware (.136 on the Z008) and was having a few issues with CM13 which keep me from using it at the moment. The one big problem that I have with stock is still the RAM management and/or memory leaks. It soon drops to under 300MB free of the 2GB, and recently often falls to near 200MB and suffers noticeable lag and stuttering at that point. Never have that problem with CM, which always keeps plenty of RAM available and is very smooth. 1.7 GB of RAM occupied with nothing much actively running is piss poor.

Taking sleeping baby photos is also impossible
btw, not just pervs. they dont like u taking photos in shops, books, when there is an idol group or some other gathering etc.
beside, if I want to take a photo of a girl whats the problem to take it with the shutter sound ON ? I dont really care... I pop up in lots of people's photos - without giving consent ..
btw, it seems that because of the shutter sound the camera lags when taking a photo. both when saving to built-in memory and SD card... Also the Shutter animation is super annoying... have no idea what causes this delay ..
I also have problems with skype, only on this phone.
RAM issues -> my fault for choosing the lesser 2GB option ^^"
software/bloatware... lots on it.. some of them can be disabled but after several updates some lost that option.. for some odd reason.
also, sometimes updating asus apps makes the phone even slower, added useless features etc.
I'm now on a Factory Reset, disabled most of the apps, only use Gmail, Skype, Chrome... and tomorrow sends the phone to repair again (since last time I was told they couldnt find anything wrong, LOL => phone without a working ear receiver can't function as a phone. also, being weeks without a phone in this day and age is complete %^[email protected]^&! (2 weeks waiting due to holiday, 2 weeks repair, 1 week waiting due to their holiday, then probably another 2 weeks repair, over 1 month without a working phone) another reason to buy a japanese phone or something from a phone provider, you get a phone to use til its get repaired)
I had good experience with several used phones I got here (all Xperia)... for 50~100usd more I could have gotten a 2nd hand Z3 compact... STUPID ME for choosing Asus
kanagawaben said:
The topic was more supposed to be about the software than the phone as a whole, but whatever, it's all good.
Regarding not being able to turn off the shutter sound with Japanese firmware, that's because that is the law in Japan - presumably to try and stop pervy guys from taking surreptitious snaps of schoolgirls and office ladies on trains. My gripe with the models sold in Japan is more the pricing - we get hiddeously ripped off, paying near double the US prices. That's why I got an imported model - sacrificing a few LTE bands is worth it for the saving (and the added bonus of no shutter sound). Personally have had no problems with build quality or overheating on mine - sure, it is not premium build materials, but satisfactory for the price paid.
I am fairly satisfied with the current firware (.136 on the Z008) and was having a few issues with CM13 which keep me from using it at the moment. The one big problem that I have with stock is still the RAM management and/or memory leaks. It soon drops to under 300MB free of the 2GB, and recently often falls to near 200MB and suffers noticeable lag and stuttering at that point. Never have that problem with CM, which always keeps plenty of RAM available and is very smooth. 1.7 GB of RAM occupied with nothing much actively running is piss poor.
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If, like me, you have a 2GB model and have been running into problems due to poor RAM management - setting a 4 app background process limit under developer options' apps section has sorted the RAM management issues for me. Has its drawbacks of course, but personally I don't multitask much so I am ok with it. I now have much smoother use with generally around 750MB to 1GB of RAM available.