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Warranty issue with HTC UK

Hi,
Three weeks ago Blackstone developed fault with earpiece - from time to time (rather often) couldn't hear anything while calling/answering.
Phoned HTC UK for repair and they collected it two days after.
Before sending it i rolled back to stock ROM and radio but forgot about stock HSPL...and that's where problem begins.
After couple days received first email from HTC saying that motherboard was damaged by ILLEGAL SOFTWARE and warranty does not cover it so i need to either pay GBP160 for repair or Blackstone will be sent back to me for GBP20 if I do not agree.
As an IT Technician I told them that's ridiculous that software smashed motherboard and asked for the proof of that unfortunate ILLEGAL SOFTWARE causing it.
So after another week I got email with picture of Illegal firmware upgrade.....SPL-1.56.Olinex.... in bootloader screen.
Is there any chance to do anything else but paying GBP160 for repair?
Lets say I will ask for return of the phone damaged as it is and try to send it again after a month or so of course this time properly prepared for warranty. You think any luck with that ?
Help will be really appreciated on this.
Cheers,
Martin.

Sorry Martin, but I'm guessing that they will have already marked your warranty as having being voided.

Would tend to agree with Budadank, but you should pay the GBP20 and and get your phone back then try restoring SPL & stock rom. Then send device back under warranty.

personally i would get in contact with trading standards on 2 points:
1; this is not ILLEGAL software, it was given to you by the developer. there is nothing in UK or EU law that says putting any software on a computing device can be used to justify refusal to repair hardware. as you rightly say, no software could cause the ear piece speaker to blow (or as is more likely, to have a dodgy bit of wiring
2; they are stating that the software caused the problem, this is misrepresentation under UK and EU consumer law, they are acting illegally
on another point, the warranty doesnt come into it, you have consumer rights under UK and EU law, personally i would go with the EU law (you cant swap back and forth, you choose which legal rights you are going with and have to stick with it) EU consumer rights laws give a much greater level of protection and the emphasis is fully on the supplier to PROVE (as in beyond reasonable doubt (or near enough, not quite the criminal burden of proof but near as damn it)) that the damage was not either there are the point of delivery or is not due to misuse. again they would be hard pressed to prove that the installation of any SOFTware could damge a non processing part of a computers hardware (overclocking could obviously damage cpu and ram)
FORGET ALL THE ABOVE!!!!! well dont, but this is actually even more pertainent.
i have just read the whole of the warranty card document that came with my HTC TouchHD...... despite numerous exclusions listed, there are absolutely none that even mention an exclusion from warranty repair of hardware due to software installations of any kind
so what i would do is this:
pay the £20 and get your device back. restock stock SPL and ROM..... ensure that it wasnt infact the custom ROM causing sound loss (ie prove to yourself it is hardware)
then send it back completely as stock setup and claim under warranty. if they then say the same... ask them to give you in writing the explicit exclusion under the EU limited warranty that mentions an exclusion of damage by software to hardware... they wont be able to do so
if by some miracle they can.... then go do your statutory rights route
remember HTC is an asian company and may not be fully up to speed with the consumer protection that exists in europe (a bit like apple and the exploding IPODS)
good luck and dont give up the good fight, they are just trying to blag you
a lesson for the rest of us though... please return your unit to stock spl and ROM before a warranty claim so they have no excuse to try and pull the woll over our eyes like they have to Martin

Jonajuna...........that was great! if i was in the trenchies i would want you there! what an informative and detailed reply!

mtodak said:
Lets say I will ask for return of the phone damaged as it is and try to send it again after a month or so of course this time properly prepared for warranty. You think any luck with that ?
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Did you try, return the phone and flash again and send it in again for warranty? I have the same problem, I releaded the Stock Rom and forgot the SPL. Now they want me to pay for the repair...
Regards Onedutch
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Refused repair on phone

I sent my nexus one of for repair as backplate was not flush and it came back not fixed, i rooted phone deciding that i wasnt going to send it back again and because i thought shouldn't matter (as i was told on here) then i decided to send it off again, the guy did not ask me if had changed software on phone either time, but then i got a message saying it been refused repair and i would have to pay for return or new mainboard. I called them to say that it should have been repaired the first time while my phone was under warranty and so it is linked to that case anyway since it should of been repaired then it doesn't matter about its warranty state now its their fault for not repairing it.. they wouldn't have that, i pointed out its not even a warranty matter since it was recieved with fault so its a faulty item so should be replaced or repaired warranty or not.. still wont repair it, i point out that its rediculous they even check the rom of phones that be sent to them with hardware problems because obviously the software does not effect the phone and change the hardware and they know that they sent the item out with the fault so should just fix it they shouldn't even check if warranty is voided by software because that is put in place so they dont fix software faults caused by people themselves so its really bad that they use it to get out of fixing hardware issues.. still no hope so i have to pay for phone be sent back to me and then i will be seeking legal advice

That does suck, and it's completely obvious that the rooted-ness does not affect hardware. Unfortunately there's not much of a case since you clicked the "YES" button to void your warranty when you rooted, voiding all parts of the warranty (hardware and software).
I hate to admit it, fearing that something may happen to my phone, but I can see their side to this matter. It would have been nice for the guy to just fix it for you, though.
Now, the fact that they are making you pay for shipping it back (unfixed) is simply poor customer service.

It does suck, They are using whatever means necessary to make more money.
IMO they should only reject faults that are causable by software. (burnt out LED, bricked, Overheated/Dead due to too high OC...). Since HTC is the manufacturer and they dont state anywhere that they are not evil...theres nothing google can do.
My phone has no faults. Ordered just before the 1/5 announcement

indie12 said:
i will be seeking legal advice
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Good luck with that, you don't really have a leg to stand in, unfortunately.

I hope the legal advice is free since a $600 is hardly worth getting a lawyer over and losing a case... average lawyer will be $100 an hour....
Then again... HTC might counter sue you for wasting their time...

I'll give you "free advice as a law student" (I'm not an attorney... yet). You have no case whatsoever. Sorry.

The best thing to do is totally ruin the phone. There are electronic ways to do this. I have access to a device that generates a strong magnetic field that I used to fry a laptop and a phone before. I have heard of people putting things in a microwave too but I am not sure how well that would work.

Rusty! said:
Good luck with that, you don't really have a leg to stand in, unfortunately.
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Incorrect.
HTC would need to prove what he did caused the issue for what they are refusing repairs to.
This has been discussed before. Car manufactures did the same thing with aftermarket parts.

drdingo21 said:
Incorrect.
HTC would need to prove what he did caused the issue for what they are refusing repairs to.
This has been discussed before. Car manufactures did the same thing with aftermarket parts.
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The only problem with this, though, is that there is no case law regarding cell phones directly, as of yet. Cars are expensive enough to justify the legal fees, phones are not.
It would stand to reason that the entire warranty isn't voided by rooting, if it were to go to court (simple contract law and warranty law, breaking or voiding one part doesn't null and void all other parts)... but the unlocked bootloader method also has you agree to voiding the warranty, so that makes it more difficult and less clear cut since it wold be pretty easy to argue by doing so you agreed to and entered into a contract giving up your warranty rights.
Personally, I wouldn't waste my time on it. I would do what others have done and contact Google. There are numerous threads in here regarding how to get hardware warranty services on your rooted device, do a search and you should be good to go.

drdingo21 said:
Incorrect.
HTC would need to prove what he did caused the issue for what they are refusing repairs to.
This has been discussed before. Car manufactures did the same thing with aftermarket parts.
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You're incorrect here as well. You can't relate unlocking the bootloader to replacing OEM parts with aftermarket ones. Further, what pjc said is right on. Legally speaking, all of us are expressly informed that the warranty is void if we unlock the bootloader (twice if you count the warranty statement as well). If unlocking the bootloader is not necessary for normal use, then there's no argument that one MUST unlock the bootloader. So any court would laugh at a complaint like this.

I am sure you are all familiar with the M&M act? If not then do a search as it is too much too post here. This at any rate is the one that speaks to aftermarket car parts and touches on many parts of warranty coverage. I fought Chrysler over an issue with a truck I bought some years ago. I won. It cost several times what fixing it out of pocket would have. While the M&M act provides for the ability to recover fees you may or may not do so. I did not. I followed this through as a matter of principle but I can just about promise you if you should decide to pursue this in court you will be sorry you ever stepped down that road. I would not do so again in similar circumstances. Especially since as already stated Google has been quite good about fixing obvious hardware defects with unlocked bootloaders if you contact them and follow the process. I have yet to read one instance where someone with such a problem was denied warranty after following through with Google.

Using root should/must not void warranty on Smartphones

Today's smartphones are as good as PCs. Does using root on computers void warranty? No!
Using root should/must not void warranty on Smartphones too.
Does rooting your device (e.g. an Android phone) and replacing its operating system with something else void your statutory warranty, if you are a consumer?
In short:
No.
Just the fact that you modified or changed the software of your device, is not a sufficient reason to void your statutory warranty. As long as you have bought the device as a consumer in the European Union.
A bit longer:
Directive 1999/44/CE dictates1 that any object meeting certain criteria (incl. telephones, computers, routers etc.) that is sold to a consumer2. inside the European Union, has to carry a warranty from the seller that the device will meet the quality that you would expect for such a device for a period of 2 years.
A telephone is an example of such a device and is an object that comprises many parts, from the case to the screen to the radio, to a mini-computer, to the battery, to the software that runs it. If any of these parts3 stop working in those 2 years, the seller has to fix or replace them. What is more these repairs should not cost the consumer a single cent — the seller has to cover the expenses (Directive 1999/44/CE, §3). If the seller has any expenses for returning it to the manufacturer, this is not your problem as a consumer.
If your device becomes defective in the first 6 months, it is presumed that the defect was there all along, so you should not need to prove anything.
If your device becomes defective after the first 6 months, but before 2 years run out, you are still covered. The difference is only that if the defect arises now, the seller can claim that the defect was caused by some action that was triggered by non-normal use of the device4. But in order to avoid needing to repair or replace your device, the seller has to prove that your action caused5 the defect. It is generally recognised by courts that unless there is a sign of abuse of the device, the defect is there because the device was faulty from the beginning. That is just common sense, after all.
So, we finally come to the question of rooting, flashing and changing the software. Unless the seller can prove that modifying the software, rooting your device or flashing it with some other OS or firmware was the cause for the defect, you are still covered for defects during those 2 years. A good test to see if it is the software’s fault is to flash it back with stock firmware/OS and see if the problem persists. If it does, it is not a software-caused problem. If it is not possible to revert it stock software any more, it is also not a software-caused defect. There are very few hardware defects that are caused by software — e.g. overriding the speaker volume above the safe level could blow the speaker.
Many manufacturers of consumer devices write into their warranties a paragraph that by changing the software or “rooting” your device, you void the warranty. You have to understand that in EU we have a “statutory warranty”, which is compulsory that the seller must offer by law (Directive 1999/44/CE, §7.1) and a “voluntary warranty” which the seller or manufacturer can, but does not need to, offer as an additional service to the consumer. Usually the “voluntary warranty” covers a longer period of time or additional accidents not covered by law6. If though the seller, the manufacturer or anyone else offers a “voluntary warranty”, he is bound to it as well!
So, even if, by any chance your “voluntary warranty” got voided, by European law, you should still have the 2 year “compulsory warranty” as it is described in the Directive and which is the topic of this article.
In case the seller refuses your right to repair or replace the device, you can sue him in a civil litigation and can report the incident to the national authority. In many European countries such action does not even require hiring a lawyer and is most of the time ensured by consumers associations.
The warranty under this Directive is only applicable inside the European Union and only if you bought the device as a consumer.
[1] EU member states must have by now imported the Directive 1999/44/CE into their national laws. So you should quote also your local law on that topic.
[2] A consumer is a natural person who acts for their own private purposes and not as a professional. .
[3] Batteries can be exempt of this and usually hold only 6 months warranty.
[4] E.g. a defect power button could be caused by spreading marmalade in it or hooking it onto a robot that would continuously press the button every second 24/7 — of course that is not normal or intended use.
[5] Note that correlation is not causation — the defect has to be proven to be caused by your action, not just correlate with it.
[6] E.g. if a device manufacturer guarantees the phone is water- and shock-proof or a car manufacturer offers 7 years of warranty against rust.
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Source : https://fsfe.org/freesoftware/legal/flashingdevices.en.html

Should've gone in the general section mate, good info though.

tuxonhtc said:
Should've gone in the general section mate, good info though.
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I couldn't decide. I thought that it was a trouble for us
Can mods move this thread to the General Section please?

Just noticed this post when i was updating a friends note 2 and rooting in the EU does not void your warranty. This is general knowledge and good to be in the EU

It voids warranty bcuz u can accidentally brick it and that would be ur fault not thiers.
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Good info but thread needs to be moved to general info request a mod to move this thread
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mezo91 said:
It voids warranty bcuz u can accidentally brick it and that would be ur fault not thiers.
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How will rooting your phone brick it??
Unless the seller can prove that modifying the software, rooting your device or flashing it with some other OS or firmware was the cause for the defect, you are still covered for defects during those 2 years. A good test to see if it is the software’s fault is to flash it back with stock firmware/OS and see if the problem persists. If it does, it is not a software-caused problem. If it is not possible to revert it stock software any more, it is also not a software-caused defect. There are very few hardware defects that are caused by software — e.g. overriding the speaker volume above the safe level could blow the speaker
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Let's just say these are saftey measures of a company.
You bought the phone for the hardware and software made by Samsung. It's a form of giving credit.
Experimenting with the phone outside of Samsung circumstances is your own decision.

Simone said:
Let's just say these are saftey measures of a company.
You bought the phone for the hardware and software made by Samsung. It's a form of giving credit.
Experimenting with the phone outside of Samsung circumstances is your own decision.
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Completely irrelevant. The law is the law, and the law allows you to root in the EU without affecting any warranty.

FloatingFatMan said:
Completely irrelevant. The law is the law, and the law allows you to root in the EU without affecting any warranty.
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I see.

irishpancake said:
How will rooting your phone brick it??
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The only "problem" with rooting is that it potentially allows dumb users to do dumb things - such as overclocking beyond the acceptable level for your processor, or flashing a radio from a completely different device.
Regards,
Dave

This is actually an awesome thing to know. Thanks, OP.
I never rooted or flashed my note 2 because I was afraid to lose my warranty and have to pay the repair or buy another phone if something unlucky happened. This one isn't cheap. But I always had the feeling that I was not taking real advantage of my note 2 and now I think I will. Again, thanks.

You shouldn't be too sure that your warranty wouldn't be void , i know many places where you won't get any warranty due to being rooted, don't take this to granted as its "not a law" its also carrier/reseller that makes these decissions. they probably know what your doing if your rooting (basically i know that they know that i know) but lets say i bought a phone and they told me that i wasn't able to "upgrade" to a newer firmware due to the warranty being void. again i wouldn't take this as granted that i would get my warranty. as of its not anything i can say its the law. its not only the law. its samsung/resellers decision not government law.
Regards

It comes down to whether the repair centre can prove that rooting is the cause of the problem. I.e if a fried cpu is the issue, and they find that the cpu is overclocked.
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LastStandingDroid said:
You shouldn't be too sure that your warranty wouldn't be void , i know many places where you won't get any warranty due to being rooted, don't take this to granted as its "not a law" its also carrier/reseller that makes these decissions. they probably know what your doing if your rooting (basically i know that they know that i know) but lets say i bought a phone and they told me that i wasn't able to "upgrade" to a newer firmware due to the warranty being void. again i wouldn't take this as granted that i would get my warranty. as of its not anything i can say its the law. its not only the law. its samsung/resellers decision not government law.
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Wrong. It IS the law, in Europe. Outside of there you're likely screwed, but in Europe, consumers are protected. If they try to deny your rights, you can sue them into oblivion and are guaranteed a win, with all costs covered.

FloatingFatMan said:
Wrong. It IS the law, in Europe. Outside of there you're likely screwed, but in Europe, consumers are protected. If they try to deny your rights, you can sue them into oblivion and are guaranteed a win, with all costs covered.
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Let me take my brothers Xcover to the reseller (it's constantly freezing and has been done so) even before rooted but I won't say it's rooted I let them in service center look at it and if they say it's not going on warranty I'm glad to get some money lol.
But it's not a law. Not every country may follow it. I know Sweeden is one of those who Suck at this.
But it gives me an idea
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LastStandingDroid said:
Let me take my brothers Xcover to the reseller (it's constantly freezing and has been done so) even before rooted but I won't say it's rooted I let them in service center look at it and if they say it's not going on warranty I'm glad to get some money lol.
But it's not a law. Not every country may follow it. I know Sweeden is one of those who Suck at this.
But it gives me an idea
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Your not thinking it's the law has no bearing at all on the law in the EU. If you're outside the EU. well, that's different.

LastStandingDroid said:
Let me take my brothers Xcover to the reseller (it's constantly freezing and has been done so) even before rooted but I won't say it's rooted I let them in service center look at it and if they say it's not going on warranty I'm glad to get some money lol.
But it's not a law. Not every country may follow it. I know Sweeden is one of those who Suck at this.
But it gives me an idea
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Sweden is in the EU, and as such they are required to follow EU law. I'm from Norway, which is not in the EU, and we still follow the same warranty regulations (they are actually even more lenient)
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Unfortunately I'm not in the EU.
In the past I went to the consumer court several times and I always won.
Even once I sued shoe company Nike and I got my money back even though I wore them for 2 months.
You must not forget!
Company's policy is not a law! They can't indicate anything to you that is not in the law. They cannot force you to obey their policies.
Company and you must obey the laws.
You have to be ready to fight against them on the customer court
You have to be well prepared. You must know the customer law.
And for the last, you have to be right. Do not waste your time for trying to get warranty for your liquid damaged device or broken screen

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Your not thinking it's the law has no bearing at all on the law in the EU. If you're outside the EU. well, that's different.
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last time i checked sweden was in EU but i can see if i can get my phone which has warranty to see if they will fix it,
its rooted but the root isn't caused by rooting it (Manufucator fault) has been since we got it, but i've never heard anyone getting their phone fixed if they have root. idk i can try.

Criticism for improvement thread

So i've been a Xperia Z owner since release and I would like to open this thread so that people can talk about the problems they faced with their phones and if it can be improved by Sony.
Problems I've had:
1. Power button suddenly stopped working, after which I went to a sony center to get it fixed. I had an unlocked bootloader and they refused to repair it, even if I was willing to pay money. I got it repaired from a third party shop. This is just poor customer support.

008bond said:
So i've been a Xperia Z owner since release and I would like to open this thread so that people can talk about the problems they faced with their phones and if it can be improved by Sony.
Problems I've had:
1. Power button suddenly stopped working, after which I went to a sony center to get it fixed. I had an unlocked bootloader and they refused to repair it, even if I was willing to pay money. I got it repaired from a third party shop. This is just poor customer support.
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You can call it bad customer service/support which I understand....But you also broke the TOS.
When you work for a boss and you break the TOS there is also a big chance that you'll lose your job, which is kind of the same thing.

Dsteppa said:
You can call it bad customer service/support which I understand....But you also broke the TOS.
When you work for a boss and you break the TOS there is also a big chance that you'll lose your job, which is kind of the same thing.
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Except I've had samsung repair phones even with root. Maybe sony should make better terms. I know for a fact that they prosecuted jailbrakers of the PS3, I know they had a rootkit in one of their CDs.They should be more customer friendly.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_BMG_copy_protection_rootkit_scandal

There's a very clear warning that your warranty may be void if you unlock your bootloader. In fact, you're warned of this no less than 3 times during the process of retrieving your unlock key from the Sony bootloader unlock site. You can pretty much take it as read that it means it will be void, even if they say "may".
As for them not wanting to work on it even if you paid, maybe they only undertake warranty repairs at that service centre.
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kingvortex said:
There's a very clear warning that your warranty may be void if you unlock your bootloader. In fact, you're warned of this no less than 3 times during the process of retrieving your unlock key from the Sony bootloader unlock site. You can pretty much take it as read that it means it will be void, even if they say "may".
As for them not wanting to work on it even if you paid, maybe they only undertake warranty repairs at that service centre.
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Since when did voiding warranty mean "we will not even touch your phone"? They outright refuse to even touch phones which have unlocked bootloaders. I went to 2 service centers and clearly offered to pay for repairs.
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony-refuses-to-repair-phones-with-unlocked-bootloaders_id32812
I found that link after I was a victim sadly. Maybe instead of defending Sony for crony practices you could petition them to have more user respecting policies.

Did you even read what I said? Maybe they only take repairs in warranty at the service centres you went to. In any case, the result was the same. You paid for the repair.
I have no need to petition them. If I unlock my bootloader, then I won't take it to a Sony service centre if it breaks without restoring my TA backup first, as I know the warranty is void.
Also, you should look up what the word "crony" means as it doesn't mean what you think it does. ?
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008bond said:
Since when did voiding warranty mean "we will not even touch your phone"? They outright refuse to even touch phones which have unlocked bootloaders. I went to 2 service centers and clearly offered to pay for repairs.
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony-refuses-to-repair-phones-with-unlocked-bootloaders_id32812
I found that link after I was a victim sadly. Maybe instead of defending Sony for crony practices you could petition them to have more user respecting policies.
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Okay, for example, what if they took your phone, repaired it, but in the process something happened to your OS making you lose all your contacts/media etc. What then?
Yes you may have a back-up, but other people maybe don't.
Rules/contracts are made made for a reason.
And yes of course we all have some rules that we dislike, but that doesn't mean that we don't have to follow them.
P.S. repairing the phone yourself would have been cheaper and maybe also faster then a Sony Center.

Should of relocked the bootloader before getting it repaired
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just because one repair shop is lame and have no idea what to do it doesnt mean that ALL support is bad. its like taking one phone from company and say tha ALL phones are bad ugly etc... how the hell you could say that if such company can have even 500 phones models???
You can say that repair service is bad in your city but not that all service are. Deal with it.

kingvortex said:
Did you even read what I said? Maybe they only take repairs in warranty at the service centres you went to. In any case, the result was the same. You paid for the repair.
I have no need to petition them. If I unlock my bootloader, then I won't take it to a Sony service centre if it breaks without restoring my TA backup first, as I know the warranty is void.
Also, you should look up what the word "crony" means as it doesn't mean what you think it does. ?
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Akinaro said:
just because one repair shop is lame and have no idea what to do it doesnt mean that ALL support is bad. its like taking one phone from company and say tha ALL phones are bad ugly etc... how the hell you could say that if such company can have even 500 phones models???
You can say that repair service is bad in your city but not that all service are. Deal with it.
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Jesus christ, you guys are worse than apple/samsung fanboys.I read what you said, the repair shop isn't lame, I even contacted sony via e-mail and they said the same thing that they wouldn't repair it.
Also, my power button was spoiled and I couldn't restore my TA.
Again, since when did warranty void = we won't accept your phone even if you pay? I think you are projecting, did you even read what I said? I had a samsung phone before this and samsung repaired it just fine despite the fact that I had root and every thing on it.

LOL. Having some common sense does not equal being a fanboy. The sort of person that immediately cries "fanboy" when someone disagrees with them generally isn't worth my time, so this is the last time I'll reply to you.
As far as Sony is concerned, you deliberately modified your phone and they warned you of this 3 times during the bootloader unlock process. If it's their policy to not repair phones with an unlocked bootloader at all, then you have to live with it. That is the price of them allowing modifications to their devices by having officially unlockable bootloaders.
Like I already said, the end result was the same. You paid for the repair as your device warranty was void, so there's no real cause for complaint here. Keep on complaining to people that can't do anything about it if you want, as it seems that was the real reason for this thread in the first place. I'm out.
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kingvortex said:
LOL. Having some common sense does not equal being a fanboy. The sort of person that immediately cries "fanboy" when someone disagrees with them generally isn't worth my time, so this is the last time I'll reply to you.
As far as Sony is concerned, you deliberately modified your phone and they warned you of this 3 times during the bootloader unlock process. If it's their policy to not repair phones with an unlocked bootloader at all, then you have to live with it. That is the price of them allowing modifications to their devices by having officially unlockable bootloaders.
Like I already said, the end result was the same. You paid for therepair as yo ur device warranty was void, so there's no real cause for complaint here. Keep on complaining to people that can't do anything about it if you want, as it seems that was the real reason for this thread in the first place. I'm out.
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Except Sony didn't repair it at all. Some third party independent guy did.
Again, I do not have a problem with paying Sony, they have a problem taking my money. Please tell me where they specify they won't repair modified phones, it wasn't in any step involving unlocking of the bootloader.

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How to claim warranty after relocking bootloader

I had recently rooted my moto g5 plus and due to battery issues had to relock the bootloader before taking it to the service center.
After examining the device, the service center asked me if it was rooted earlier to which I replied Yes and then they told me that the device has void its warranty since the device was rooted.
Now that I had relocked the bootloader, can I not claim the device warranty now?
Please show me a direction here.

22sumit said:
I had recently rooted my moto g5 plus and due to battery issues had to relock the bootloader before taking it to the service center.
After examining the device, the service center asked me if it was rooted earlier to which I replied Yes and then they told me that the device has void its warranty since the device was rooted.
Now that I had relocked the bootloader, can I not claim the device warranty now?
Please show me a direction here.
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I don't think you can get your warranty back. Some say that once you issue an unlock code, your warranty gets void even if you use the code to unlock bootloader or not. I do hope that you get your warranty back and get your phone fixed. Anyways, you could've just told them that it wasn't rooted

psychopac said:
I don't think you can get your warranty back. Some say that once you issue an unlock code, your warranty gets void even if you use the code to unlock bootloader or not. I do hope that you get your warranty back and get your phone fixed. Anyways, you could've just told them that it wasn't rooted
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My bad, I couldn't lie it to them coz they had evidence that the bootloader was unlocked earlier.

22sumit said:
My bad, I couldn't lie it to them coz they had evidence that the bootloader was unlocked earlier.
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Was it locked when you gave the phone to them?
I remember I had a Moto E2 which was running a custom ROM and the phone was in warranty and when it's speaker started going bonkers, I just flashed the fastboot ROM and locked the bootloader (I think so) and took it to service center and they fixed it for free. Actually, the speaker grill had accumulated some dust and that was interfering with the sound output so they opened the phone and cleaned the speaker.

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Was it locked when you gave the phone to them?
I remember I had a Moto E2 which was running a custom ROM and the phone was in warranty and when it's speaker started going bonkers, I just flashed the fastboot ROM and locked the bootloader (I think so) and took it to service center and they fixed it for free. Actually, the speaker grill had accumulated some dust and that was interfering with the sound output so they opened the phone and cleaned the speaker.
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Yes relocked it last night and flashed the stock fastboot images as well.
First they did the same in the holy name of software update and then finally giving up to the final conclusion that the battery needed replacement. I left the mobile with them until they told me on call that they'll be charging Rs 1500 for the replacement since the device was rooted. Sometimes even I think that had I lied to them, they might had considered replacing it at no extra cost.

22sumit said:
Yes relocked it last night and flashed the stock fastboot images as well.
First they did the same in the holy name of software update and then finally giving up to the final conclusion that the battery needed replacement. I left the mobile with them until they told me on call that they'll be charging Rs 1500 for the replacement since the device was rooted. Sometimes even I think that had I lied to them, they might had considered replacing it at no extra cost.
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I wonder what would changing the battery has to do with a fault on the screen?

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I wonder what would changing the battery has to do with a fault on the screen?
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It's actually a battery issue

I don't think you understand... you VOLUNTARILY gave up your warranty when the unlock code was issued, regardless of whether you actually unlocked the bootloader or not. You cannot "get your warranty back" in any way. Did you not read ANY of the multiple warnings when you unlocked your phone, it is presented very clearly at least 3 times before you actually commit to getting the code.

It depends on the country you live in. A company can't get you to accept something like that and make you give up a right given to you by law. Check your local consumer laws, you might still be able to get it fixed under warranty.
I know that in the EU, Australia, New Zealand etc a company cannot waive the rights of a user under the local consumer laws by just getting you to accept some stupid disclaimer.

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It depends on the country you live in. A company can't get you to accept something like that and make you give up a right given to you by law. Check your local consumer laws, you might still be able to get it fixed under warranty.
I know that in the EU, Australia, New Zealand etc a company cannot waive the rights of a user under the local consumer laws by just getting you to accept some stupid disclaimer.
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Most EU countries that is partially true, depending on your country, I will elaborate in a second... I was unaware there were similar laws in Australia or New Zealand...
The situation is quite complicated, at least in Germany, but most likely this applies to most EU countries. There are two different types of warranty. First, the manufacturer warranty / express warranty (Garantie), which is entirely voluntary and the manufacturer dictates its terms. Second, there is the implied warranty (Gewährleistung), which is regulated by law and exercised by the seller.
Under express warranty, manufacturers can decline any repairs easily because of unlocking, and they do that of course. However, under implied warranty, that isn't easily possible. In Germany, in the first 6 months after you buy the device, the seller has to prove that a fault is your own doing. Which is really hard, so you should be good to go even with unlocked bootloader. After the first 6 months, it is the opposite, you have to prove that a defect wasn't caused by you, which is again, really hard.
So in the first 6 months after you've bought the phone you should be fine, but after that, it will be problematic to say the least. Again, this is true for Germany, it might be a bit different in other EU countries.
There are any number of discussions on this topic on Reddit, Lenovo's Official Forums, here and other forums, and although some people seem to get around the Motorola/Lenovo statements, the vast majority don't, even in countries with laws to subjugate this practice. A little Googling will confirm that. Whatever Moto, and other manufacturers with similar policies are doing, in general they are not honoring warranties after bootloader unlocking.
The reality is a lot worse than the pretty picture the politicians give us about the laws that supposedly protect consumers.

22sumit said:
I had recently rooted my moto g5 plus and due to battery issues had to relock the bootloader before taking it to the service center.
After examining the device, the service center asked me if it was rooted earlier to which I replied Yes and then they told me that the device has void its warranty since the device was rooted.
Now that I had relocked the bootloader, can I not claim the device warranty now?
Please show me a direction here.
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Once you unlock the bootloader, your warranty is void. It doesn't matter if you relock it. Because you have to request an unlock code from Motorola, that big long agreement you have to accept when you request the code basically tells you that you're voiding your warranty the moment you click "accept", whether you actually use the code and unlock the bootloader or not. Just asking for the code is all it takes.
That's something you need to come to terms with if you're going to use custom ROMs, or root your device. I always wait a month or two to make sure my phone doesn't have any defects before I mess with ROMs, and I research devices before buying them to see what kind of issues they may be prone to in the first 12 months.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, bud.
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from the unlock code page https://motorola-global-portal.custhelp.com/app/standalone/bootloader/unlock-your-device-b :
As used in this Legal Agreement and Warning, the term "Unlocked Device" means a Device for which an Unlock Code has been obtained, regardless of whether such Device's bootloader has actually been unlocked, relocked or whether such Device's software or operating system has been modified or whether it's original, unmodified software or operating system has been reloaded. In other words, once a Device's Unlock Code has been released by Motorola to User, the Device shall thereafter, for all intents and purposes, be deemed to be an Unlocked Device, irrespective of whether it was, in fact, unlocked or modified.
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(5) THE FOLLOWING APPLIES TO ALL UNLOCKED DEVICES EXCEPT FOR DEVELOPER EDITION DEVICES. BY OBTAINING THE UNLOCK CODE FOR THIS DEVICE, IRRESPECTIVE OF WHETHER THE DEVICE'S BOOTLOADER IS SUBSEQUENTLY UNLOCKED OR ITS SOFTWARE OR OPERATING SYSTEM IS MODIFIED, USER AGREES TO WAIVE AND VOID ALL WARRANTIES THAT MAY HAVE BEEN PROVIDED BY MOTOROLA, BOTH EXPRESS AND IMPLIED, INCLUDING ANY WRITTEN WARRANTY THAT ACCOMPANIED THE DEVICE AT THE TIME OF PURCHASE OR DELIVERY, AND AGREES THAT ANY RIGHTS OR REMEDIES PROVIDED BY SUCH A WARRANTY ARE NULL AND VOID. MOTOROLA MAKES NO WARRANTIES OF ANY KIND AND DISCLAIMS ALL WARRANTIES OF EVERY KIND, EXPRESS, IMPLIED, OR STATUTORY, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE IN CONNECTION WITH AN UNLOCKED DEVICE. USER ACKNOWLEDGES AND AGREES THAT ALL SUCH WARRANTIES ARE HEREBY EXCLUDED AND THAT ALL UNLOCKED DEVICES ARE PROVIDED "AS IS," WITH NO WARRANTY OF ANY KIND
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I just got a used/refurb G5 Plus in the mail yesterday - it still has warranty thru 06/2018. ($145 from B&H, for the 4GB/64GB version!)
All right, time to "ROM it up!". Read unlock/root directions. get oem unlock data from fastboot, go to the motorola unlock code page:
I sat there, on the unlock code page for about 6 minutes, reading and re-reading that. I've decided not to unlock for now. It's not often that I have a phone under warranty (I've almost always had used phones, etc), so i think i will try to see how well I can get along with stock ROM for a change.
Thankfully, I see very little variance away from AOSP.
This will be a major challenge, for me, to see how long I can stay stock and unrooted. Hopefully, I can make it to the 8.0 OTA.
But, the point is - I read the stuff and took time to think and make an informed decision.

well... in my city, those service center guys are dumb, I mean really dumb;
I had some problem with my bootloader unlocked device, they just checked the bill and repaired the phone for free lol

siddhesh9146 said:
well... in my city, those service center guys are dumb, I mean really dumb;
I had some problem with my bootloader unlocked device, they just checked the bill and repaired the phone for free lol
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North America and Europe don't have "service centers"... We have to send them into corporate repair center to get fixed, there is no walk-in service, which requires an RMA be issued and we get stopped right there.
Honestly, your service center isn't helping... When they do repairs on a device like this, they later submit the repair to Moto/Lenovo for reimbursement and they don't get paid because the IMEI is flagged. Sure, you got your device fixed, but your neighbors paid for it, not Moto.

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North America and Europe don't have "service centers"... We have to send them into corporate repair center to get fixed, there is no walk-in service, which requires an RMA be issued and we get stopped right there.
Honestly, your service center isn't helping... When they do repairs on a device like this, they later submit the repair to Moto/Lenovo for reimbursement and they don't get paid because the IMEI is flagged. Sure, you got your device fixed, but your neighbors paid for it, not Moto.
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wdym by neighbors? you mean those guys in service center took the loss by this ^above???