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Samsung Pay Launch Pushed to September
Samsung has indicated its mobile payment service will not launch over the summer months as planned. Instead, Samsung Pay will get off the ground in the U.S. and Korea in September. The company confirmed the delay in a call Wednesday with investors. Samsung Pay was announced in March and will initially be available to the Galaxy S6 and S6 Edge smartphones. It supports both NFC and magnetic payment terminals, which means it should be more widely available than either Apple Pay or Android Pay, which are limited to NFC terminals. Samsung didn't provide a reason for the delay. The company said Samsung Pay will expand to Europe, China, Australia, and South America, as well as other high-end Samsung devices, later in the year. Apple Pay has been available since October 2014 and Android Pay is expected to launch with Android M in September or October.
source: http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=15906
I have a feeling that by the time Samsung Pay is widely used, we will be using a new device by then.
It's always like that, samsung announced something with the galaxy line on the presentation and that thing it only be available by the end of the year. Every time is like that ? I don't even know when it's going to be available on europe
Most of us have already rooted our phones. No Samsung Pay for us.
Anyway, it is no biggie. How difficult is it to take out a credit card and make a payment?
MCube74 said:
I have a feeling that by the time Samsung Pay is widely used, we will be using a new device by then.
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Samsung Galaxy S6 Plus rumours look very promising. :silly:
Galaxy S6 Plus may have the Snapdragon 808 cpu. Why call it a plus when it uses a slower CPU than the current Galaxy S6 /S6 Edge?
MCube74 said:
Galaxy S6 Plus may have the Snapdragon 808 cpu. Why call it a plus when it uses a slower CPU than the current Galaxy S6 /S6 Edge?
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Plus don't necessarily mean fast. Just bigger (size)
MCube74 said:
Most of us have already rooted our phones. No Samsung Pay for us.
Anyway, it is no biggie. How difficult is it to take out a credit card and make a payment?
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why carry credit card when you dont have to?
my phone is rooted, if samsung pay only works on non-rooted phone, i going to flash stock rom.
netnerd said:
why carry credit card when you dont have to?
my phone is rooted, if samsung pay only works on non-rooted phone, i going to flash stock rom.
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Once Knox is tripped, Samsung pay is gone from your phone.
I never leave home without my wallet so my credit card is always with me. You will never know when you will need it.
Samsung Pay will probably not be available everywhere.
MCube74 said:
Once Knox is tripped, Samsung pay is gone from your phone.
I never leave home without my wallet so my credit card is always with me. You will never know when you will need it.
Samsung Pay will probably not be available everywhere.
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please show us where Samsung itself has actually stated that Samsung pay wont work if Knox is tripped; an ACTUAL statement from Samsung, not a tweet or a Facebook post please..
wase4711 said:
please show us where Samsung itself has actually stated that Samsung pay wont work if Knox is tripped; an ACTUAL statement from Samsung, not a tweet or a Facebook post please..
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Dude it's a guess, but it's an educated one. Go read what secures SamPay, and you'll see that it uses SamKnox as a security measure. Take a wild guess what would happen when the security protocol gets breached.
dude, the only reason I posted that is because for some reason 90% of people on xda "Assume" that tripping Knox will make samsung pay un workable, even though Samsung has never said that is the case; plus, if it turns out to be a popular form of payment, I am certain someone will come up with a way to use it, even with root/knox disabled.
for me, I could care less about it, since its just as easy, and more SECURE to just use your credit card, instead of having all that personal financial info on your cell phone, but, until Samsung actually releases it, which, from what I have read recently, has been pushed out to AFTER September, saying for certain that tripping Knox renders it un workable just cant be taken as an absolute truth..
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dude, the only reason I posted that is because for some reason 90% of people on xda "Assume" that tripping Knox will make samsung pay un workable, even though Samsung has never said that is the case; plus, if it turns out to be a popular form of payment, I am certain someone will come up with a way to use it, even with root/knox disabled.
for me, I could care less about it, since its just as easy, and more SECURE to just use your credit card, instead of having all that personal financial info on your cell phone, but, until Samsung actually releases it, which, from what I have read recently, has been pushed out to AFTER September, saying for certain that tripping Knox renders it un workable just cant be taken as an absolute truth..
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Maybe it's because 90% of us are satisfied with a tweet from Samsung, an article from Sammobile (with Samsung insiders, also quoted by the tweet) and a post from Chainfire (who knows Touchwiz better than any non-Samsung software engineer) when they all say Samsung Pay won't work when Knox is tripped. We aren't being gullible as you have led on.
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dude, the only reason I posted that is because for some reason 90% of people on xda "Assume" that tripping Knox will make samsung pay un workable, even though Samsung has never said that is the case; plus, if it turns out to be a popular form of payment, I am certain someone will come up with a way to use it, even with root/knox disabled.
for me, I could care less about it, since its just as easy, and more SECURE to just use your credit card, instead of having all that personal financial info on your cell phone, but, until Samsung actually releases it, which, from what I have read recently, has been pushed out to AFTER September, saying for certain that tripping Knox renders it un workable just cant be taken as an absolute truth..
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Wow.. If you don't even care why bother commenting, especially if it's gonna spark a argument.
I was just wondering : if Samsung pay doesn't work, we can still use android pay? It'll be a wider option and will work on a lot of device? Just guessing...
doumi215 said:
I was just wondering : if Samsung pay doesn't work, we can still use android pay? It'll be a wider option and will work on a lot of device? Just guessing...
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I would assume so. Android Pay checks for root, but there are workarounds for that.
I told myself I'd never go back to a TouchWiz device, but alas here I am getting ready to make a move to the Note 5. I'm also switching carriers as T-mobile gets terrible service at my new home. While comparing AT&T and Verizon, I noticed that Verizon may not end up supporting Samsung Pay.
So I thought I would take this discussion here (if it belongs in Q&A please move it): What sort of carrier limitations will be placed on the Note 5 by AT&T or Verizon? Any insight to help me choose which version to go with would be a big help.
Along with not supporting Samsung Pay, I've heard that Verizon still is stubborn as hell with locking down their phones. It would be a deal breaker if I'm unable to root.
Anything else I should expect when deciding on the carrier?
Take your pick as far as locked down phones are concerned. I think both AT&T and Verizon are equally bad on locking down devices.
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You wont be unlocking your device ever if you want to use samsung pay, you can't use it on a rooted device period for security reasons.
We should be able to sue if Verizon blocks Samsung pay...
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You can sue anyone for anything in the US. Whether you would win or not, or want to pay the lawyer fees, is another story...
So go ahead. ?
Or were you just complaining?
Kaboose666 said:
You wont be unlocking your device ever if you want to use samsung pay, you can't use it on a rooted device period for security reasons.
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You sure about this? Unless I'm mistaken people have been using Google Wallet with rooted devices for a while.
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You sure about this? Unless I'm mistaken people have been using Google Wallet with rooted devices for a while.
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I am 99% sure, Samsung uses Knox security and when your device boots up Knox does a security check on the device, if it detects root, samsung pay will NOT work, period. Ever. You can't reset it, once it detects it you're pretty much F'd. And it's still up in the air if that will affect your hardware warranty or not, though I doubt it will.
This is specific to Knox and samsung pay.
Kaboose666 said:
I am 99% sure, Samsung uses Knox security and when your device boots up Knox does a security check on the device, if it detects root, samsung pay will NOT work, period. Ever. You can't reset it, once it detects it you're pretty much F'd. And it's still up in the air if that will affect your hardware warranty or not, though I doubt it will.
This is specific to Knox and samsung pay.
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Thanks for the info. I forgot all about good ol Knox and all the bull**** that comes with it. I want to like the Note 5 but Samsung is making it really hard.
hahajoker said:
Thanks for the info. I forgot all about good ol Knox and all the bull**** that comes with it. I want to like the Note 5 but Samsung is making it really hard.
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Well I am using my note5 and I have to say I really do enjoy the phone, but I am coming from an LG G2, coming from something else it may not be as good of an option.
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Well I am using my note5 and I have to say I really do enjoy the phone, but I am coming from an LG G2, coming from something else it may not be as good of an option.
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I'm coming from a nexus 6. I love my phone and I'd rather not switch but in order to get free of T-mobile the cheapest route is to upgrade to a flip phone and pay it off immediately. That means I have to turn in my Nexus.
Verizon has always been super slow to support anything. ATT has too, but not as slow as Verizon. Verizon and samsung pay.
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Verizon has always been super slow to support anything. ATT has too, but not as slow as Verizon. Verizon and samsung pay.
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Think I'm done with Verizon. Att offering $300 to switch. Think I'm going to do it. And get monthly data rollover.
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Article can be found here: http://www.idigitaltimes.com/samsun...d-features-att-and-verizon-models-wont-468357
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Samsung’s Galaxy Note 5 and Galaxy S6 Edge+ flagships will officially hit stores Friday. But if you are a Verizon or AT&T subscriber who is used to rooting smartphones, beware. Rooting these carrier models of the Galaxy Note 5 and Galaxy S6 Edge+ will shut down your phone completely.
The Verizon and AT&T models have a carrier specific mechanism, which is apart of the Samsung Knox Security Suite, Samsung Knox director of business development Ram Motipally detailed to iDigitalTimes at a recent briefing in New York prior to the Galaxy Note 5 and S6 Edge+ launch. “In most of the U.S. devices, if you root the device the device won’t even boot up; if it’s AT&T or Verizon,” he said.
Root prevention has been an on-going aspect of Samsung Knox since it’s inception. In the early days of Knox, rooting a Samsung smartphone could trip a key on a device, which would void the warranty. Root prevention through Knox has been developed to where the rooting Samsung Galaxy S6 or Galaxy S6 Edge handsets will disable the Samsung Pay mobile payment feature. But now, if a Verizon and AT&T variant of the Galaxy Note 5 or Galaxy S6 Edge+ is rooted, users will see only a black screen with a message explaining the device cannot boot up because it has been rooted, Motipally explained.
Other Galaxy Note 5 or Galaxy S6 Edge+ handsets, such as T-Mobile, Sprint and unlocked variants do not include this feature. Rooting would simply disable Samsung Pay as it does on the Galaxy S6 or Galaxy S6 Edge. Root prevention is heavily tied to Samsung’s enterprise push, to get more devices like the Galaxy Note 5 and Galaxy S6 Edge+ in the hands of business users.
Samsung Knox was once a feature introduced to devices through software updates, but it now comes standard on all Samsung smartphones. The software is heavily ingrained within the Android framework and the kernel of Samsung’s devices, Samsung Business vice president, mobile product marketing, Eric McCarty explained at a business launch for the Galaxy Note 5 and Galaxy S6 Edge+ last Thursday.
In particular, Samsung Knox includes a Root of Trust, which dictates what tasks a device can execute with confidence. Some of the functions of a Root of Trust are detecting rootkits and recognizing unauthorized changes to a smartphone’s system or program. This especially speaks to the Verizon and AT&T models of the Galaxy Note 5 and Galaxy S6 Edge+ as Verizon and AT&T are especially adverse to customization of their devices.
The continued implementation of Knox onto Samsung devices has alleviated many concerns about safety in using Android in the enterprise space, Samsung vice president of marketing strategy and operations, Ed Abrams told iDigitalTimes in July. However, this focus on enterprise users could be a detriment to dedicated Android developers or Samsung enthusiasts who are not in love with the TouchWiz user interface.
Android-based smartphones have been popular, largely due to the open source nature of their software and user’ ability to customize devices through rooting. But with Google as one of Samsung's partners for its business sector, users could continue to see root prevention efforts in new and upcoming devices.
Samsung needs to allow all apps in multi window without root, and android needs a full device backup procedure.
Sure you can let the play store put your apps back but it doesn't restore the data.
I may be able to live without root on the Note if it had those two things.
I'd really miss lmt and xposed though.
For data restore, I use Helium. Its the next best thing when we can't use titanium backup
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Samsung needs to allow all apps in multi window without root, and android needs a full device backup procedure.
Sure you can let the play store put your apps back but it doesn't restore the data.
I may be able to live without root on the Note if it had those two things.
I'd really miss lmt and xposed though.
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if you have tried MIUI they do have full system restore. dont get why google cannot put it in stock android.
I read that on idigitaltimes yesterday, but is that the 100% final word on AT&T and Verizon Note 5?
It seems to be the only article out there with this information - would there not be any (theoretical) way around it at all?
More than likely idigitaltimes is correct. for the last 2-3 yrs (with the exception of the G2 and g3 for LG) Verizon units have been difficult to root
Is there any proof?
any word on root for note 5 t mobile? i'm about to buy mine soon
i just sold my note 4 didn't know someone was gonna buy it full price that soon
http://youtu.be/qCh0QuEwAgY
Maybe this will work?
Another reason why I will be boycotting another round of samsung phones.
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Another reason why I will be boycotting another round of samsung phones.
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Agreed, me too.
Oh well, it's Samsung's loss anyway...
TheUndertaker21 said:
any word on root for note 5 t mobile? i'm about to buy mine soon
i just sold my note 4 didn't know someone was gonna buy it full price that soon
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It stated in the article that rooting would only disable the Samsung Mobile Payments app.
Thats jst silly, you should be boycotting big red and the att. seriously, tmobil is a phone junkies best friend. 3 upgrades a year with jump on demand and they couldnt care less if your bootloader is unlocked or knox has been tripped on sammy. all they care about is 1 2 3, turn on, screen is not cracked, no water damage. plus t mo has volte, wifi calling, and lowest prices. I was big red for almost a decade, from back when it was LA cellular or airtouch, cant remember. THen i gave up the best reception in america for great reception in my area and a company that doesnt try to screw me at every angle. love tmo so much i actually bought some stock in it. but that was also because i think leger is hilarious and i wanted to vote for him with my wallet.
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Samsung needs to allow all apps in multi window without root, and android needs a full device backup procedure.
Sure you can let the play store put your apps back but it doesn't restore the data.
I may be able to live without root on the Note if it had those two things.
I'd really miss lmt and xposed though.
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I agree... I find it bizarre that iOS has proper backups, as did my old old blackberry (couldn't even tell anything had happened. Yeah it needed a PC connection but I'd be ok with that). The only thing I would add is being able to do things like toggle GPS without root - the fact that I have to go five clicks* to turn my location mode from battery saving to high accuracy and navigate back to my navigation app is insane.
* Long press the location quick toggle, mode, high accuracy, back, back.
Glad I didn't wait for it then. Tired of locked Bootloaders and am loving the plethora of AOSP ROMs on my Nexus 6.
daftlush said:
I was big red for almost a decade, from back when it was LA cellular or airtouch, cant remember.
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Verizon was Airtouch -- LA Cellular (me, since 1994) became AT&T.
I've been with T-Mo since '05 :good:
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kodina said:
Agreed, me too.
Oh well, it's Samsung's loss anyway...
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The next best thing to root is pacakge disabler pro
At least the international versions only casualty is Samsung Pay if rooted. I'll never ever buy another AT&T branded device again. Would love to switch to T-Mobile but their service isn't good in my area.
The simple solution to this is to switch carriers. And when retentions asks you why you are leaving, say "Because carrier X allows me to root without bricking the device." I think once they lose enough customers that way (and losing market share to other carriers), they might start rethinking it.
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Thats jst silly, you should be boycotting big red and the att. seriously, tmobil is a phone junkies best friend. 3 upgrades a year with jump on demand and they couldnt care less if your bootloader is unlocked or knox has been tripped on sammy. all they care about is 1 2 3, turn on, screen is not cracked, no water damage. plus t mo has volte, wifi calling, and lowest prices. I was big red for almost a decade, from back when it was LA cellular or airtouch, cant remember. THen i gave up the best reception in america for great reception in my area and a company that doesnt try to screw me at every angle. love tmo so much i actually bought some stock in it. but that was also because i think leger is hilarious and i wanted to vote for him with my wallet.
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The only problem is that t-mobile has terrible coverage outside of cities. My only option is to get the t-mobile version then throw a att sim card in there and hope I get good service.
So - S7s are shipping and Christmas for many of us Android users is almost here. I've rooted every Android I've ever had, but I really am considering leaving my S7 Edge stock to use Samsung Pay. I figured I'd put a poll out there and kick off any discussion the pros and cons of rooting. Thoughts?
I'll probably root eventually. I'd like to see how it performs out of the box first, but I bank with a local credit union that will likely never get Samsung Pay (They only got Apple pay last year), so that's not an issue for me.
I got the Note 5 a month and a half ago when we moved to T-Mobile, and came from the Nexus 6. The Note 5 is the first phone I had not rooted in the first week. There was an app to freeze the bloat I did not without rooting and I love my Android Pay. Only thing I miss from rooting my phone now is adblock. However I can live with the ads to keep the Android Pay functions.
nvm
I rooted and loaded custom ROM on all my phones except the Note Edge. the support wasn't there for it and AT&T really locked things down. but honestly, I didn't really miss much... I don't think I'll be doing any of that. I also want to try samsung pay and kinda wish my Gear S had the NFC to make that even easier. Might get S2 Classic 4G just for that honestly.
Adguard my friend Google it. I love Samsung pay and with the s7/e performing like they do I certainly don't need root. Maybe someday if CM comes along I'll consider it but for now Adguard is enough for me.
So the question still there... Samsung pay going to work on rooted device or not. Anyone tried?
Samsung Pay is a banking app and here in the UK my banking app (Lloyds bank) doesn't work with my rooted Galaxy S5.
Is not really an option always use an app to freeze the bloat (have used something like that call "Hide my Root") as was saying kxhaz
There should be alternative for that...
I feel like this may have been asked multiple times, but maybe the S7 is finally the year KNOX might be needed for something. What apps are dependent on having KNOX untripped?
I know Samsung Pay requires KNOX, but Samsung Pay can be argued to be practically useless in 2015, 2016, and probably 2017 in like 99% of the US. But what else is KNOX necessary for in terms of functions of the phone and apps?
I have a SM-G935F coming in the mail later today and I'm reading up on Root and trying to decide if I should keep it clean, or go ahead and root so I can make some tweaks. I'd mostly like to know what I'm really losing in exchange for getting root access.
What is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
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Samsung pay useless? What? I use it every single day... Do you even know how Samsung Pay works? It's not Apple pay which is actually 99% useless. Samsung pay can be used at magnetic strips, which means, its 99% USEFUL.
psufan5 said:
Samsung pay useless? What? I use it every single day... Do you even know how Samsung Pay works? It's not Apple pay which is actually 99% useless. Samsung pay can be used at magnetic strips, which means, its 99% USEFUL.
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It's 99% useful if you happen to use one of the banks that work with it. That list is far from comprehensive.
Works with multiple credit cards I have, so I would call it useful too...
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Samsung pay useless? What? I use it every single day... Do you even know how Samsung Pay works? It's not Apple pay which is actually 99% useless. Samsung pay can be used at magnetic strips, which means, its 99% USEFUL.
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It currently only works (officially) in the US and South Korea, so it's 99% useless for people outside these countries.
J.Biden said:
It currently only works (officially) in the US and South Korea, so it's 99% useless for people outside these countries.
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Did you read what the OP says? He says "Of the US". I wasn't referring to the rest of the world. And if your bank isn't adopting it yet, get a card that does. There are some amazing cash rewards cards that are supported - I personally use the Citi Double Cash.
Anyway, back on topic. Knox is really aimed at enhancing security for business, especially businesses with a BYOD policy. It lets you, or your company, wall off the business usage (e.g., Outlook Exchange) from the personal apps on your phone. For the typical personal phone user, it doesn't really do much, but that's not really who it's aimed at. Knox had gotten Samsung's phones authorized for DOD and Intel community uses that were previously limited to Blackberry, or sometimes Blackberry and iPhone.*
*DOD and the Intel community have a love-hate relationship with the iPhone. They like the fact that it's more secured, in general, than Android has been, but hate that iOS is closed source, so they can't examine the code for security holes.
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Samsung pay useless? What? I use it every single day... Do you even know how Samsung Pay works? It's not Apple pay which is actually 99% useless. Samsung pay can be used at magnetic strips, which means, its 99% USEFUL.
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I know it uses older magnetic strips and not NFC, making it backwards compatible with older machines. But it still requires a data connection, can't be used when it's out of date, requiring an update (depending on where you are this is an issue, not to mention depending where you go, the terminal to pay might not be in front of you. You could be required to hand your phone off to someone else which I'm NOT okay with, and you gotta expect them to know what they're doing, which I'm not entirely sure they would seeing as Paying with your phone has existed for atleast 4 years, I live in Fort Worth Texas, and have seen only two in those 4 years in public attempt paying with their phones, one of which failed.
The way I see it, is if the technology isn't there yet to replace your actual wallet, then why wouldn't you just use your wallet? I've tried paying with my phone 3 times, and despite being successful at the attempts, I always thought I should have just used my card in the 1st place. If I'm not confident in my phone to replace my wallet, then I consider it useless.
Even if YOU consider it useless, tripping Knox, preventing your phone to use Samsung Pay could be an obstacle when you will try to sell your phone for the futur S8 Edge ...
Actually you don't need a data connection. I've used a phone without a sim card for Samsung pay. 5 purchases can be made before you have to connect to WiFi.
sorry, im just new to samsung. anyone can explain what does tripping knox means? I disabled this feature via package disabler pro since im not using samsung pay.
Thanks!
jhannbernas said:
sorry, im just new to samsung. anyone can explain what does tripping knox means? I disabled this feature via package disabler pro since im not using samsung pay.
Thanks!
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Rooting will change the value from 0x0 to 0x1 permanently.
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Got it. something that will void the warranty. Thanks!
Chocolina said:
I feel like this may have been asked multiple times, but maybe the S7 is finally the year KNOX might be needed for something. What apps are dependent on having KNOX untripped?
I know Samsung Pay requires KNOX, but Samsung Pay can be argued to be practically useless in 2015, 2016, and probably 2017 in like 99% of the US. But what else is KNOX necessary for in terms of functions of the phone and apps?
I have a SM-G935F coming in the mail later today and I'm reading up on Root and trying to decide if I should keep it clean, or go ahead and root so I can make some tweaks. I'd mostly like to know what I'm really losing in exchange for getting root access.
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Really: don't you have "Google"?
https://www.samsungknox.com/en
http://www.samsung.com/us/business/security/knox/