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The Ultimate reason to Why N3 Bootloader is locked

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Some might argue why T-Mobile and Sprint version N3 is unlocked that's because of their network coverage. If you do little research you will find that most of the giant firms use either Verizon or At&t for their employees. This now confirms how Saamy is forgetting about us and mostly putting their focus on giant firms. Give me your point and lets see where this goes.
TechnoBuffalo said:
Samsung already has a firm grip on the consumer smartphone market, but the enterprise sector is a completely different ballgame. So in an effort to put businesses at ease and gain a larger corporate following, the Korean company this year officially unveiled a new mobile security system called Knox. With so many Samsung devices available, the company certainly has the potential to make inroads at some big firms around the world—only, a new report from The Wall Street Journal suggests Knox has been full of bugs and delays, annoying some big clients.
One of Samsung’s clients, the U.S. Defense Department, has allegedly become frustrated by Samsung’s Knox system, leading to some internal strife among the Samsung brass; the company is supposedly hard at work bringing Knox back into 100 percent shape. With BlackBerry ailing—enterprise market share has reportedly fallen from 68 percent in 2010 to 5.4 percent today—Samsung certainly has an opportunity to fill that void. There’s still the stigma of Android to contend with, however, making Apple’s iOS a more appealing option.
According to WSJ, “many corporate tech administrators widely perceive its smartphones, which run on Google Inc.’s open-source Android operating system, as being more prone to viruses and easier to hack than Apple Inc.’s iOS and BlackBerry proprietary software.” Fixing that perception has become one of Samsung’s top priorities, WSJ added.
Knox essentially gives corporate tech admins complete control over their employees’ Samsung device or devices. Handsets can remotely be shut down, company data cordoned off, and alerts can be set if a device’s code has been tampered with—all excellent features for sensitive corporate data. But if those promised features aren’t working as advertised, especially for a customer such as the U.S. Defense Department, Samsung could lose its small portion of the enterprise market pretty quick.
One source admitted that Samsung isn’t a service business, which is why it’s experiencing so many issues. “Creating this new organization that specializes in selling software and services, that took us longer than expected,” the source said. Over the course of 2013, Samsung repeatedly assured potential clients Knox would be ready, and even come preloaded on the Galaxy S4. It didn’t wind up coming preloaded on a Samsung devices until the Note 3 hit a few months back.
Deployment thus far has been slow while Samsung works through the issues. But if those issues don’t get patched up, the company’s big enterprise push could fall flat. One BlackBerry exec said of Knox, “[It] can potentially pose threats to enterprises.” With the consumer market locked up, definitely not the start to enterprise life that Samsung would have wanted.
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http://www.technobuffalo.com/2013/1...rogram-running-into-major-issues-says-report/

I would agree. Sounds right and does make sense!
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Does make sense until you wonder why other carriers have the bootloader unlocked. Unless those people saying the bootloader is unlocked they mean it has been unlocked by a hack.

Delakit said:
Does make sense until you wonder why other carriers have the bootloader unlocked.
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85% of the Fortune 1K in the U.S. are on VZW and AT&T.

Im nkt sure this really explains why AT&T's bootloader is locked. This article discusses the issues with Knox, something that is present in the VZW Note 3 but missing from the ATT version. If the bootloader is locked due to trying to attract enterprise business then why would Knox (the container application) be missing from our version of the phone? Even if Knox is being wonky it still should have been included if they were going after the enterprise market.
AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 3 stock rooted with changes by Wanam
Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 GT-N8013 rooted w/Hyperdrive RLS6

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BarryH_GEG said:
85% of the Fortune 1K in the U.S. are on VZW and AT&T.
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HappyPessimist said:
Im nkt sure this really explains why AT&T's bootloader is locked. This article discusses the issues with Knox, something that is present in the VZW Note 3 but missing from the ATT version. If the bootloader is locked due to trying to attract enterprise business then why would Knox (the container application) be missing from our version of the phone? Even if Knox is being wonky it still should have been included if they were going after the enterprise market.
AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 3 stock rooted with changes by Wanam
Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 GT-N8013 rooted w/Hyperdrive RLS6
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This and this....
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HappyPessimist said:
Im nkt sure this really explains why AT&T's bootloader is locked. This article discusses the issues with Knox, something that is present in the VZW Note 3 but missing from the ATT version. If the bootloader is locked due to trying to attract enterprise business then why would Knox (the container application) be missing from our version of the phone? Even if Knox is being wonky it still should have been included if they were going after the enterprise market.
AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 3 stock rooted with changes by Wanam
Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 GT-N8013 rooted w/Hyperdrive RLS6
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Not sure where you got your ATT N3 from, but mine has KNOX and it is a 900A like the others here. You can even look at running apps and see KNOX listed. you can also go into the upload menu and see the KNOX status.

It depends on Sammy's customer base spread. If the majority are suits, Sammy loses very little by losing the nerd market. But if the majority are teen-agers texting their BFF, Sammy is going to see that a little bad press in the Blogosphere goes a LONG way. The under-21 set will believe a blog stating that the Martians have landed faster than they'll believe the WSJ that the big yellow ball in the sky is the sun.
We'll just have to wait and see, but if Sammy keeps welding these things shut, a lot of ROM builders are going to be building non-Sammy ROMs. And a lot of people will put up with the Sprint dead spots rather than be treated like numbers by Big Red.
Since my crystal ball battery is dead, all I can do is make wild guesses.

Solarenemy68 said:
Not sure where you got your ATT N3 from, but mine has KNOX and it is a 900A like the others here. You can even look at running apps and see KNOX listed. you can also go into the upload menu and see the KNOX status.
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I'm talking abiut the Knox container. The other variants of the Note 3 had a Knox app of sorts that acts as a container for more sensitive information. See this thread-
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2470278&page=8
AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 3 stock rooted with changes by Wanam
Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 GT-N8013 rooted w/Hyperdrive RLS6

Can't quote the guy above for some reason but I don't see KNOX running anywhere on my phone.

HappyPessimist said:
I'm talking abiut the Knox container. The other variants of the Note 3 had a Knox app of sorts that acts as a container for more sensitive information. See this thread-
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2470278&page=8
AT&T Samsung Galaxy Note 3 stock rooted with changes by Wanam
Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 GT-N8013 rooted w/Hyperdrive RLS6
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KNOX container most certainly works on 900A.

Quick question for everyone here...
Do you think that filing complaints with government agencies over the locked bootloader issue might be an effective route for seeking change? Consider that when complaints were filed against them for blocking FaceTime on their network, the groups that filed those complaints did achieve a limited measure of success.
I would envision that the complaint could look as follows:
1. Denying users root access to their own phones and locking the phone's bootloader prevents access to all features of some software packages. (e.g. Titanium Backup)
2. Some of the packages that AT&T effectively blocks through these policies (i.e. Titanium Backup) compete with software they offer. (e.g. AT&T Locker)
3. Ergo, AT&T seeks to obtain an unfair competitive advantage over other applications through its behavior.
I also wonder if it would be possible to argue that AT&T is knowingly selling defective phones through its policy of locking the bootloader. I'm sure we can all point out many bugs in the stock firmware which have been addressed by custom ROMs. An argument could be made that AT&T's action of preventing custom ROMs from being installed is forcing its customers to use materially defective equipment - it's just a question of whether or not an agency could be convinced of this amidst AT&T's "greasing of the palms" to quiet complaints against them.

now i'm clearly understand

Unless the private key slips, or if people don't care about warranty (in about 10 months ) the bootloader won't be unlocked.
Personally, I think this allows for more inventive solutions to processes which have become so routine we expect them to work on every phone. RDLV for example. The Kn0x0ut script. My MJ5 Recovery methods -- all include unique techniques to catch up to the level of security ATT/Samsung has surprised us with.
This process, of course, is cyclical. Both sides have an opportunity to gain here and I welcome it!

evilpotatoman said:
Unless the private key slips
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If I only worked for Samsung in a capacity to help...
evilpotatoman said:
or if people don't care about warranty (in about 10 months )
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Hopefully we don't have to wait that long for it... I'm almost ready to purchase a Note 3 from TMO just to have an unlocked bootloader. If I could get a new one locally for around $500 this weekend I probably would. (Just got the Note 3 this week so I'm still within my 14 day return period with ATT.)
evilpotatoman said:
Personally, I think this allows for more inventive solutions to processes which have become so routine we expect them to work on every phone. RDLV for example. The Kn0x0ut script. My MJ5 Recovery methods -- all include unique techniques to catch up to the level of security ATT/Samsung has surprised us with.
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I'm glad you and others enjoy the challenge presented by AT&T's greed, and am thankful for each of you and the hours you spend trying to figure out how to remove or bypass the artificially created limitations and restrictions on our devices.
In my opinion, limitations like locked bootloaders are material defects, and should be treated as such by government. Once one enters into a contract with the wireless provider, the phone is yours as long as you continue to abide by the terms of the contract (on time payments, staying within acceptable use policies). As such, one should be free and clear to modify the phone in any way - as long as expectations of service and support are diminished appropriately for "non standard configurations". No carrier should be allowed to lock bootloaders or otherwise take measures to prevent users from rooting their devices.

rooted_1 said:
Quick question for everyone here...
Do you think that filing complaints with government agencies over the locked bootloader issue might be an effective route for seeking change? Consider that when complaints were filed against them for blocking FaceTime on their network, the groups that filed those complaints did achieve a limited measure of success.
I would envision that the complaint could look as follows:
1. Denying users root access to their own phones and locking the phone's bootloader prevents access to all features of some software packages. (e.g. Titanium Backup)
2. Some of the packages that AT&T effectively blocks through these policies (i.e. Titanium Backup) compete with software they offer. (e.g. AT&T Locker)
3. Ergo, AT&T seeks to obtain an unfair competitive advantage over other applications through its behavior.
I also wonder if it would be possible to argue that AT&T is knowingly selling defective phones through its policy of locking the bootloader. I'm sure we can all point out many bugs in the stock firmware which have been addressed by custom ROMs. An argument could be made that AT&T's action of preventing custom ROMs from being installed is forcing its customers to use materially defective equipment - it's just a question of whether or not an agency could be convinced of this amidst AT&T's "greasing of the palms" to quiet complaints against them.
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Hmmm...
That actualy sounds like legit reasons!
Does AT&T sell the developer edition like Verizon?
I so want to come back to AT&T but had to jump ship to VZE because they had SafeStrap. How much I hate Verizon! They used to have best signal in town. Now its no better than Sprint.
Anyways back on topic. That seems like reasonable pitch. Where do we / you file that complaint? FCC? FTC?

Why not offer a corporate version? If you want to use it at work, you never have the corporate locked bootloader.
They could even make it a ROM update accessible by corporate accounts.
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designgears said:
KNOX container most certainly works on 900A.
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I'm sure it works on the 900A, but I think he meant it's not on there by default for the 900A AT&T variant. Do you have an apk for it?

scrosler said:
Hmmm...
That actualy sounds like legit reasons!
Anyways back on topic. That seems like reasonable pitch. Where do we / you file that complaint? FCC? FTC?
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I filed a complaint with the FCC the other week using the precise argument I suggested above. Of course, I've yet to hear anything from them. If it's anything like the net neutrality complaints I filed against AT&T years ago, the FCC will forward the comment along to AT&T and the company will provide a written response back to both me and the agency in a couple months.
I'm also wondering if there would be any sort of way to get the FTC involved in this as well, by making an argument that AT&T is knowingly selling defective devices, refusing to fix the defects in a timely manner (by releasing new versions of Android, quicker), and preventing users from fixing the defects on their own (by locking the bootloader). I'm sure that there's a plethora of issues with 4.3 and TouchWiz and Knox that could be pointed out... the least of which would be the constantly-nagging security error notification that shows up every time one uses WiFi on a stock phone.
I'm generally not a big fan of big government, but this is one exception. The more government agencies we can legitimately engage with valid points, the more effort that AT&T has to put into defending its decision to only market phones with locked bootloaders. If enough agencies get involved from enough angles with reasonable and logical arguments, there *may* come a time at which AT&T decides that it's not worth the effort. They obviously feel that some economic benefit come from their decision. The trick is to create the perception that the economic benefit they gain from locked bootloaders is outweighed by the ill will and cost of participation in government inquiries they bear. There's only a slim chance that this will work, but I'm willing to take a few minutes to file complaints and let the wheels of our government agencies churn. After all, isn't that what they're there for?

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I filed a complaint with the FCC the other week using the precise argument I suggested above. Of course, I've yet to hear anything from them. If it's anything like the net neutrality complaints I filed against AT&T years ago, the FCC will forward the comment along to AT&T and the company will provide a written response back to both me and the agency in a couple months.
I'm also wondering if there would be any sort of way to get the FTC involved in this as well, by making an argument that AT&T is knowingly selling defective devices, refusing to fix the defects in a timely manner (by releasing new versions of Android, quicker), and preventing users from fixing the defects on their own (by locking the bootloader). I'm sure that there's a plethora of issues with 4.3 and TouchWiz and Knox that could be pointed out... the least of which would be the constantly-nagging security error notification that shows up every time one uses WiFi on a stock phone.
I'm generally not a big fan of big government, but this is one exception. The more government agencies we can legitimately engage with valid points, the more effort that AT&T has to put into defending its decision to only market phones with locked bootloaders. If enough agencies get involved from enough angles with reasonable and logical arguments, there *may* come a time at which AT&T decides that it's not worth the effort. They obviously feel that some economic benefit come from their decision. The trick is to create the perception that the economic benefit they gain from locked bootloaders is outweighed by the ill will and cost of participation in government inquiries they bear. There's only a slim chance that this will work, but I'm willing to take a few minutes to file complaints and let the wheels of our government agencies churn. After all, isn't that what they're there for?
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Thank you for doing this..
I feel the only way we will ever be heard is to start a Samsung boycott petition. Even if those who sign the petition has no plans to truly boycott Samsung, the negative publicity and the potential for consumers to boycott them would be a huge risk in Samsung eyes. Imagine if we had 10k users signed the boycott petition because of the bloatware & locked bootloader. Samsung could care less about the 10k consumers but the word of mouth from those consumer could equal millions. Samsung might not officially release an unlock bootloader but might allow leaks to occur to keep us quiet. If one website picked up the story about Samsung boycott petition, Samsung would do everything in their power to correct or fix the problem. Due to carrier restrictions and request they would have to come up with clever ways or do what htc does and allow you to unlock your phone on their site with a code.

Note 4 is rooted!

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2897428
Chainfire has rooted both the runoff Exynos and Snapdragon Asian variants of the Note 4!
More to come soon!
I know what I'll be doing as soon as I get mine!

I know this trips KNOX. My question is does it even matter? If I don't ever plan I using KNOX, will it effect anything else?

Warrantee if the guys at the Sprint store actually care.

You could always unroot..

hermeticist said:
Warrantee if the guys at the Sprint store actually care.
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Root does not affect your service and repair coverage. With that said, if your phone is acting up and you take it in to a Sprint service center, it may be required from the service repair center that you unroot to assure the issue is not Root/ Rom related. If a Service center sees your phone, and immediately says "Your phone is rooted, warranty void, we can't help you" - You should contest that, or take it to another Service / Repair location that knows what they are doing...
Root does not void your warranty or Service / Repair eligibility with Sprint.:good:

Next1776 said:
Root does not affect your service and repair coverage. With that said, if your phone is acting up and you take it in to a Sprint service center, it may be required from the service repair center that you unroot to assure the issue is not Root/ Rom related. If a Service center sees your phone, and immediately says "Your phone is rooted, warranty void, we can't help you" - You should contest that, or take it to another Service / Repair location that knows what they are doing...
Root does not void your warranty or Service / Repair eligibility with Sprint.:good:
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I'll be that guy... Link please

xxSTARBUCKSxx said:
I'll be that guy... Link please
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I can't post a link for you for various reasons. BUT That is the policy. If a device is rooted , and it s suspected to be the cause of the issue, you may be asked to install back to stock, so being rooted can be ruled out as the cause. The phone can be swapped out like any other stock device, provided there isn't liquid, or physical damage.
Chainfire is on it !
Will be waiting to make the phone mine! Had one in hand today, looks and feels like a much more premium product, nice job Samsung!

ryanalan82 said:
I know this trips KNOX. My question is does it even matter? If I don't ever plan I using KNOX, will it effect anything else?
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It does matter at some Sprint Stores AND SAMSUNG WONDERS WHY SALES ARE DOWN. A majority of customers that would buy this phone would purchase it because they want the advanced features and the ability to customize. If you just want a smartphone then there are many phones out there that cost less and you are not penalized for customization. If Samsung wants to know if customization is causing problems on a phone they only need to reload the factory rom. I can see enforcing Knox on business supplied phones but do not see the purpose for private owners.

bonniedarby said:
It does matter at some Sprint Stores AND SAMSUNG WONDERS WHY SALES ARE DOWN. A majority of customers that would buy this phone would purchase it because they want the advanced features and the ability to customize. If you just want a smartphone then there are many phones out there that cost less and you are not penalized for customization. If Samsung wants to know if customization is causing problems on a phone they only need to reload the factory rom. I can see enforcing Knox on business supplied phones but do not see the purpose for private owners.
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xda is the central hub for all things phone modding IMO. it has close to 6 million users, a fraction of that are samsung, but lets go on the high side and say 2 million of them are. Are all these samsung users buying each device? cuz teh SGS5 sold 11 million in its first month, its been 6 now, factor in the major of people arent upgrading every 6 months to go from note 3 to s5 to note 4 nad youve got a sizeable chunk of the market that are buying these phones that arent people on xda.
the entirety of verizons modding community complaining to vzw about bootloaders etc is far larger than the one complaining to samsung about a fuse that allows you to still mod your device and the vzw folks are getting no where. the modding community is not so big that if everyone who read this very same forum decided not to get the note 4 samsung would notice/care.

US versions - Yet.
Download
SM-N9100 (Qualcomm): CF-Auto-Root-trltechn-trlteduoszc-smn9100.zip (may be replaced)
SM-N910W8 (Canadia, Qualcomm): CF-Auto-Root-trltecan-trltecan-smn910w8.zip
SM-N910C (Thailand, Exynos): CF-Auto-Root-trelte-treltexx-smn910c.zip
SM-N910U (Hong Kong, Exynos): CF-Auto-Root-trhplte-trhpltexx-smn910u.zip
SM-N910S (Korea, Exynos): CF-Auto-Root-trelteskt-trelteskt-smn910s.zip
SM-N9106W (China, Snapdragon): CF-Auto-Root-trltechn-trlteduoszn-smn9106w.zip
SM-N9109W (China, Snapdragon): CF-Auto-Root-trltechn-trlteduosctc-smn9109w.zip
Other models
CF-Auto-Root is not yet available for all models - one stock firmwares for these models become available, let me know, and I'll make the corresponding CF-Auto-Roots. Make sure to check the main CF-Auto-Root site as well, as models may be listed there that are not listed here yet!
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excellent news. Means I'll be able, in theory, to use WiFi Tether Router, when I get my phone. To quote Bill and Ted, "Excellent"

When rooted will the selinux be set to permissive. This is big for me and my appradio.
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Will be picking mine up Friday morning and I'm off, hopefully we'll have root...

NM

hermeticist said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2897428
Chainfire has rooted both the runoff Exynos and Snapdragon Asian variants of the Note 4!
More to come soon!
I know what I'll be doing as soon as I get mine!
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Just to clarify for those confused by this thread...Chainfire hasn't made an autoroot yet for the Sprint Note 4.

People in the main Note 4 CF-AutoRoot thread are saying that the T-Mobile root works for Sprint. So far no one has reported any issues. I want to use Titanium Backup to restore my data so I am leaning towards trying it. I will however wait until either a few more people report on it or the end of the month.
I am sure that Chainfire needs an official Sprint ROM in order to make sure that CF-AutoRoot works with minimal issues.

WyldeStile said:
People in the main Note 4 CF-AutoRoot thread are saying that the T-Mobile root works for Sprint. So far no one has reported any issues. I want to use Titanium Backup to restore my data so I am leaning towards trying it. I will however wait until either a few more people report on it or the end of the month.
I am sure that Chainfire needs an official Sprint ROM in order to make sure that CF-AutoRoot works with minimal issues.
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Just picked mine up... I'm like you, I want to jump right in and restore my stuff but I'll just hang back and wait for success stories.........

can't wait, need my titanium backup!

I've posted several times in the main thread for directions to get the recovery.img to give to Chainfire with no responses...

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I've posted several times in the main thread for directions to get the recovery.img to give to Chainfire with no responses...
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Yea i tried that too, then again i guess i dont have one anymore, mines a tmobile variant.
I was going to post in here for all watching this 1 not the main autoroot thread, that the tmobile one works but looks like info is already here

Note 5 carrier limitations

I told myself I'd never go back to a TouchWiz device, but alas here I am getting ready to make a move to the Note 5. I'm also switching carriers as T-mobile gets terrible service at my new home. While comparing AT&T and Verizon, I noticed that Verizon may not end up supporting Samsung Pay.
So I thought I would take this discussion here (if it belongs in Q&A please move it): What sort of carrier limitations will be placed on the Note 5 by AT&T or Verizon? Any insight to help me choose which version to go with would be a big help.
Along with not supporting Samsung Pay, I've heard that Verizon still is stubborn as hell with locking down their phones. It would be a deal breaker if I'm unable to root.
Anything else I should expect when deciding on the carrier?

Take your pick as far as locked down phones are concerned. I think both AT&T and Verizon are equally bad on locking down devices.
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You wont be unlocking your device ever if you want to use samsung pay, you can't use it on a rooted device period for security reasons.

We should be able to sue if Verizon blocks Samsung pay...
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You can sue anyone for anything in the US. Whether you would win or not, or want to pay the lawyer fees, is another story...
So go ahead. ?
Or were you just complaining?

Kaboose666 said:
You wont be unlocking your device ever if you want to use samsung pay, you can't use it on a rooted device period for security reasons.
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You sure about this? Unless I'm mistaken people have been using Google Wallet with rooted devices for a while.

hahajoker said:
You sure about this? Unless I'm mistaken people have been using Google Wallet with rooted devices for a while.
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I am 99% sure, Samsung uses Knox security and when your device boots up Knox does a security check on the device, if it detects root, samsung pay will NOT work, period. Ever. You can't reset it, once it detects it you're pretty much F'd. And it's still up in the air if that will affect your hardware warranty or not, though I doubt it will.
This is specific to Knox and samsung pay.

Kaboose666 said:
I am 99% sure, Samsung uses Knox security and when your device boots up Knox does a security check on the device, if it detects root, samsung pay will NOT work, period. Ever. You can't reset it, once it detects it you're pretty much F'd. And it's still up in the air if that will affect your hardware warranty or not, though I doubt it will.
This is specific to Knox and samsung pay.
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Thanks for the info. I forgot all about good ol Knox and all the bull**** that comes with it. I want to like the Note 5 but Samsung is making it really hard.

hahajoker said:
Thanks for the info. I forgot all about good ol Knox and all the bull**** that comes with it. I want to like the Note 5 but Samsung is making it really hard.
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Well I am using my note5 and I have to say I really do enjoy the phone, but I am coming from an LG G2, coming from something else it may not be as good of an option.

Kaboose666 said:
Well I am using my note5 and I have to say I really do enjoy the phone, but I am coming from an LG G2, coming from something else it may not be as good of an option.
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I'm coming from a nexus 6. I love my phone and I'd rather not switch but in order to get free of T-mobile the cheapest route is to upgrade to a flip phone and pay it off immediately. That means I have to turn in my Nexus.

Verizon has always been super slow to support anything. ATT has too, but not as slow as Verizon. Verizon and samsung pay.

mircury said:
Verizon has always been super slow to support anything. ATT has too, but not as slow as Verizon. Verizon and samsung pay.
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Think I'm done with Verizon. Att offering $300 to switch. Think I'm going to do it. And get monthly data rollover.
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Verizon & AT&T Samsung Note 5: KNOX/Root Of Trust; Unable to Root

Article can be found here: http://www.idigitaltimes.com/samsun...d-features-att-and-verizon-models-wont-468357
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Samsung’s Galaxy Note 5 and Galaxy S6 Edge+ flagships will officially hit stores Friday. But if you are a Verizon or AT&T subscriber who is used to rooting smartphones, beware. Rooting these carrier models of the Galaxy Note 5 and Galaxy S6 Edge+ will shut down your phone completely.
The Verizon and AT&T models have a carrier specific mechanism, which is apart of the Samsung Knox Security Suite, Samsung Knox director of business development Ram Motipally detailed to iDigitalTimes at a recent briefing in New York prior to the Galaxy Note 5 and S6 Edge+ launch. “In most of the U.S. devices, if you root the device the device won’t even boot up; if it’s AT&T or Verizon,” he said.
Root prevention has been an on-going aspect of Samsung Knox since it’s inception. In the early days of Knox, rooting a Samsung smartphone could trip a key on a device, which would void the warranty. Root prevention through Knox has been developed to where the rooting Samsung Galaxy S6 or Galaxy S6 Edge handsets will disable the Samsung Pay mobile payment feature. But now, if a Verizon and AT&T variant of the Galaxy Note 5 or Galaxy S6 Edge+ is rooted, users will see only a black screen with a message explaining the device cannot boot up because it has been rooted, Motipally explained.
Other Galaxy Note 5 or Galaxy S6 Edge+ handsets, such as T-Mobile, Sprint and unlocked variants do not include this feature. Rooting would simply disable Samsung Pay as it does on the Galaxy S6 or Galaxy S6 Edge. Root prevention is heavily tied to Samsung’s enterprise push, to get more devices like the Galaxy Note 5 and Galaxy S6 Edge+ in the hands of business users.
Samsung Knox was once a feature introduced to devices through software updates, but it now comes standard on all Samsung smartphones. The software is heavily ingrained within the Android framework and the kernel of Samsung’s devices, Samsung Business vice president, mobile product marketing, Eric McCarty explained at a business launch for the Galaxy Note 5 and Galaxy S6 Edge+ last Thursday.
In particular, Samsung Knox includes a Root of Trust, which dictates what tasks a device can execute with confidence. Some of the functions of a Root of Trust are detecting rootkits and recognizing unauthorized changes to a smartphone’s system or program. This especially speaks to the Verizon and AT&T models of the Galaxy Note 5 and Galaxy S6 Edge+ as Verizon and AT&T are especially adverse to customization of their devices.
The continued implementation of Knox onto Samsung devices has alleviated many concerns about safety in using Android in the enterprise space, Samsung vice president of marketing strategy and operations, Ed Abrams told iDigitalTimes in July. However, this focus on enterprise users could be a detriment to dedicated Android developers or Samsung enthusiasts who are not in love with the TouchWiz user interface.
Android-based smartphones have been popular, largely due to the open source nature of their software and user’ ability to customize devices through rooting. But with Google as one of Samsung's partners for its business sector, users could continue to see root prevention efforts in new and upcoming devices.

Samsung needs to allow all apps in multi window without root, and android needs a full device backup procedure.
Sure you can let the play store put your apps back but it doesn't restore the data.
I may be able to live without root on the Note if it had those two things.
I'd really miss lmt and xposed though.

For data restore, I use Helium. Its the next best thing when we can't use titanium backup

pool_shark said:
Samsung needs to allow all apps in multi window without root, and android needs a full device backup procedure.
Sure you can let the play store put your apps back but it doesn't restore the data.
I may be able to live without root on the Note if it had those two things.
I'd really miss lmt and xposed though.
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if you have tried MIUI they do have full system restore. dont get why google cannot put it in stock android.

I read that on idigitaltimes yesterday, but is that the 100% final word on AT&T and Verizon Note 5?
It seems to be the only article out there with this information - would there not be any (theoretical) way around it at all?

More than likely idigitaltimes is correct. for the last 2-3 yrs (with the exception of the G2 and g3 for LG) Verizon units have been difficult to root

Is there any proof?

any word on root for note 5 t mobile? i'm about to buy mine soon
i just sold my note 4 didn't know someone was gonna buy it full price that soon

http://youtu.be/qCh0QuEwAgY
Maybe this will work?

Another reason why I will be boycotting another round of samsung phones.

gbux said:
Another reason why I will be boycotting another round of samsung phones.
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Agreed, me too.
Oh well, it's Samsung's loss anyway...

TheUndertaker21 said:
any word on root for note 5 t mobile? i'm about to buy mine soon
i just sold my note 4 didn't know someone was gonna buy it full price that soon
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It stated in the article that rooting would only disable the Samsung Mobile Payments app.

Thats jst silly, you should be boycotting big red and the att. seriously, tmobil is a phone junkies best friend. 3 upgrades a year with jump on demand and they couldnt care less if your bootloader is unlocked or knox has been tripped on sammy. all they care about is 1 2 3, turn on, screen is not cracked, no water damage. plus t mo has volte, wifi calling, and lowest prices. I was big red for almost a decade, from back when it was LA cellular or airtouch, cant remember. THen i gave up the best reception in america for great reception in my area and a company that doesnt try to screw me at every angle. love tmo so much i actually bought some stock in it. but that was also because i think leger is hilarious and i wanted to vote for him with my wallet.

pool_shark said:
Samsung needs to allow all apps in multi window without root, and android needs a full device backup procedure.
Sure you can let the play store put your apps back but it doesn't restore the data.
I may be able to live without root on the Note if it had those two things.
I'd really miss lmt and xposed though.
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I agree... I find it bizarre that iOS has proper backups, as did my old old blackberry (couldn't even tell anything had happened. Yeah it needed a PC connection but I'd be ok with that). The only thing I would add is being able to do things like toggle GPS without root - the fact that I have to go five clicks* to turn my location mode from battery saving to high accuracy and navigate back to my navigation app is insane.
* Long press the location quick toggle, mode, high accuracy, back, back.

Glad I didn't wait for it then. Tired of locked Bootloaders and am loving the plethora of AOSP ROMs on my Nexus 6.

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I was big red for almost a decade, from back when it was LA cellular or airtouch, cant remember.
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Verizon was Airtouch -- LA Cellular (me, since 1994) became AT&T.
I've been with T-Mo since '05 :good:

use package disabler pro to remove all bloatware
kodina said:
Agreed, me too.
Oh well, it's Samsung's loss anyway...
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The next best thing to root is pacakge disabler pro

At least the international versions only casualty is Samsung Pay if rooted. I'll never ever buy another AT&T branded device again. Would love to switch to T-Mobile but their service isn't good in my area.

The simple solution to this is to switch carriers. And when retentions asks you why you are leaving, say "Because carrier X allows me to root without bricking the device." I think once they lose enough customers that way (and losing market share to other carriers), they might start rethinking it.

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Thats jst silly, you should be boycotting big red and the att. seriously, tmobil is a phone junkies best friend. 3 upgrades a year with jump on demand and they couldnt care less if your bootloader is unlocked or knox has been tripped on sammy. all they care about is 1 2 3, turn on, screen is not cracked, no water damage. plus t mo has volte, wifi calling, and lowest prices. I was big red for almost a decade, from back when it was LA cellular or airtouch, cant remember. THen i gave up the best reception in america for great reception in my area and a company that doesnt try to screw me at every angle. love tmo so much i actually bought some stock in it. but that was also because i think leger is hilarious and i wanted to vote for him with my wallet.
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The only problem is that t-mobile has terrible coverage outside of cities. My only option is to get the t-mobile version then throw a att sim card in there and hope I get good service.

[Q] What is KNOX good for?

I feel like this may have been asked multiple times, but maybe the S7 is finally the year KNOX might be needed for something. What apps are dependent on having KNOX untripped?
I know Samsung Pay requires KNOX, but Samsung Pay can be argued to be practically useless in 2015, 2016, and probably 2017 in like 99% of the US. But what else is KNOX necessary for in terms of functions of the phone and apps?
I have a SM-G935F coming in the mail later today and I'm reading up on Root and trying to decide if I should keep it clean, or go ahead and root so I can make some tweaks. I'd mostly like to know what I'm really losing in exchange for getting root access.

What is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
Sent from my Pebble Time

Samsung pay useless? What? I use it every single day... Do you even know how Samsung Pay works? It's not Apple pay which is actually 99% useless. Samsung pay can be used at magnetic strips, which means, its 99% USEFUL.

psufan5 said:
Samsung pay useless? What? I use it every single day... Do you even know how Samsung Pay works? It's not Apple pay which is actually 99% useless. Samsung pay can be used at magnetic strips, which means, its 99% USEFUL.
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It's 99% useful if you happen to use one of the banks that work with it. That list is far from comprehensive.

Works with multiple credit cards I have, so I would call it useful too...
Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk

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Samsung pay useless? What? I use it every single day... Do you even know how Samsung Pay works? It's not Apple pay which is actually 99% useless. Samsung pay can be used at magnetic strips, which means, its 99% USEFUL.
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It currently only works (officially) in the US and South Korea, so it's 99% useless for people outside these countries.

J.Biden said:
It currently only works (officially) in the US and South Korea, so it's 99% useless for people outside these countries.
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Did you read what the OP says? He says "Of the US". I wasn't referring to the rest of the world. And if your bank isn't adopting it yet, get a card that does. There are some amazing cash rewards cards that are supported - I personally use the Citi Double Cash.

Anyway, back on topic. Knox is really aimed at enhancing security for business, especially businesses with a BYOD policy. It lets you, or your company, wall off the business usage (e.g., Outlook Exchange) from the personal apps on your phone. For the typical personal phone user, it doesn't really do much, but that's not really who it's aimed at. Knox had gotten Samsung's phones authorized for DOD and Intel community uses that were previously limited to Blackberry, or sometimes Blackberry and iPhone.*
*DOD and the Intel community have a love-hate relationship with the iPhone. They like the fact that it's more secured, in general, than Android has been, but hate that iOS is closed source, so they can't examine the code for security holes.

psufan5 said:
Samsung pay useless? What? I use it every single day... Do you even know how Samsung Pay works? It's not Apple pay which is actually 99% useless. Samsung pay can be used at magnetic strips, which means, its 99% USEFUL.
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I know it uses older magnetic strips and not NFC, making it backwards compatible with older machines. But it still requires a data connection, can't be used when it's out of date, requiring an update (depending on where you are this is an issue, not to mention depending where you go, the terminal to pay might not be in front of you. You could be required to hand your phone off to someone else which I'm NOT okay with, and you gotta expect them to know what they're doing, which I'm not entirely sure they would seeing as Paying with your phone has existed for atleast 4 years, I live in Fort Worth Texas, and have seen only two in those 4 years in public attempt paying with their phones, one of which failed.
The way I see it, is if the technology isn't there yet to replace your actual wallet, then why wouldn't you just use your wallet? I've tried paying with my phone 3 times, and despite being successful at the attempts, I always thought I should have just used my card in the 1st place. If I'm not confident in my phone to replace my wallet, then I consider it useless.

Even if YOU consider it useless, tripping Knox, preventing your phone to use Samsung Pay could be an obstacle when you will try to sell your phone for the futur S8 Edge ...

Actually you don't need a data connection. I've used a phone without a sim card for Samsung pay. 5 purchases can be made before you have to connect to WiFi.

sorry, im just new to samsung. anyone can explain what does tripping knox means? I disabled this feature via package disabler pro since im not using samsung pay.
Thanks!

jhannbernas said:
sorry, im just new to samsung. anyone can explain what does tripping knox means? I disabled this feature via package disabler pro since im not using samsung pay.
Thanks!
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Rooting will change the value from 0x0 to 0x1 permanently.
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Got it. something that will void the warranty. Thanks!

Chocolina said:
I feel like this may have been asked multiple times, but maybe the S7 is finally the year KNOX might be needed for something. What apps are dependent on having KNOX untripped?
I know Samsung Pay requires KNOX, but Samsung Pay can be argued to be practically useless in 2015, 2016, and probably 2017 in like 99% of the US. But what else is KNOX necessary for in terms of functions of the phone and apps?
I have a SM-G935F coming in the mail later today and I'm reading up on Root and trying to decide if I should keep it clean, or go ahead and root so I can make some tweaks. I'd mostly like to know what I'm really losing in exchange for getting root access.
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Really: don't you have "Google"?
https://www.samsungknox.com/en
http://www.samsung.com/us/business/security/knox/