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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2897428
Chainfire has rooted both the runoff Exynos and Snapdragon Asian variants of the Note 4!
More to come soon!
I know what I'll be doing as soon as I get mine!
I know this trips KNOX. My question is does it even matter? If I don't ever plan I using KNOX, will it effect anything else?
Warrantee if the guys at the Sprint store actually care.
You could always unroot..
hermeticist said:
Warrantee if the guys at the Sprint store actually care.
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Root does not affect your service and repair coverage. With that said, if your phone is acting up and you take it in to a Sprint service center, it may be required from the service repair center that you unroot to assure the issue is not Root/ Rom related. If a Service center sees your phone, and immediately says "Your phone is rooted, warranty void, we can't help you" - You should contest that, or take it to another Service / Repair location that knows what they are doing...
Root does not void your warranty or Service / Repair eligibility with Sprint.:good:
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Root does not affect your service and repair coverage. With that said, if your phone is acting up and you take it in to a Sprint service center, it may be required from the service repair center that you unroot to assure the issue is not Root/ Rom related. If a Service center sees your phone, and immediately says "Your phone is rooted, warranty void, we can't help you" - You should contest that, or take it to another Service / Repair location that knows what they are doing...
Root does not void your warranty or Service / Repair eligibility with Sprint.:good:
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I'll be that guy... Link please
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I'll be that guy... Link please
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I can't post a link for you for various reasons. BUT That is the policy. If a device is rooted , and it s suspected to be the cause of the issue, you may be asked to install back to stock, so being rooted can be ruled out as the cause. The phone can be swapped out like any other stock device, provided there isn't liquid, or physical damage.
Chainfire is on it !
Will be waiting to make the phone mine! Had one in hand today, looks and feels like a much more premium product, nice job Samsung!
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I know this trips KNOX. My question is does it even matter? If I don't ever plan I using KNOX, will it effect anything else?
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It does matter at some Sprint Stores AND SAMSUNG WONDERS WHY SALES ARE DOWN. A majority of customers that would buy this phone would purchase it because they want the advanced features and the ability to customize. If you just want a smartphone then there are many phones out there that cost less and you are not penalized for customization. If Samsung wants to know if customization is causing problems on a phone they only need to reload the factory rom. I can see enforcing Knox on business supplied phones but do not see the purpose for private owners.
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It does matter at some Sprint Stores AND SAMSUNG WONDERS WHY SALES ARE DOWN. A majority of customers that would buy this phone would purchase it because they want the advanced features and the ability to customize. If you just want a smartphone then there are many phones out there that cost less and you are not penalized for customization. If Samsung wants to know if customization is causing problems on a phone they only need to reload the factory rom. I can see enforcing Knox on business supplied phones but do not see the purpose for private owners.
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xda is the central hub for all things phone modding IMO. it has close to 6 million users, a fraction of that are samsung, but lets go on the high side and say 2 million of them are. Are all these samsung users buying each device? cuz teh SGS5 sold 11 million in its first month, its been 6 now, factor in the major of people arent upgrading every 6 months to go from note 3 to s5 to note 4 nad youve got a sizeable chunk of the market that are buying these phones that arent people on xda.
the entirety of verizons modding community complaining to vzw about bootloaders etc is far larger than the one complaining to samsung about a fuse that allows you to still mod your device and the vzw folks are getting no where. the modding community is not so big that if everyone who read this very same forum decided not to get the note 4 samsung would notice/care.
US versions - Yet.
Download
SM-N9100 (Qualcomm): CF-Auto-Root-trltechn-trlteduoszc-smn9100.zip (may be replaced)
SM-N910W8 (Canadia, Qualcomm): CF-Auto-Root-trltecan-trltecan-smn910w8.zip
SM-N910C (Thailand, Exynos): CF-Auto-Root-trelte-treltexx-smn910c.zip
SM-N910U (Hong Kong, Exynos): CF-Auto-Root-trhplte-trhpltexx-smn910u.zip
SM-N910S (Korea, Exynos): CF-Auto-Root-trelteskt-trelteskt-smn910s.zip
SM-N9106W (China, Snapdragon): CF-Auto-Root-trltechn-trlteduoszn-smn9106w.zip
SM-N9109W (China, Snapdragon): CF-Auto-Root-trltechn-trlteduosctc-smn9109w.zip
Other models
CF-Auto-Root is not yet available for all models - one stock firmwares for these models become available, let me know, and I'll make the corresponding CF-Auto-Roots. Make sure to check the main CF-Auto-Root site as well, as models may be listed there that are not listed here yet!
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excellent news. Means I'll be able, in theory, to use WiFi Tether Router, when I get my phone. To quote Bill and Ted, "Excellent"
When rooted will the selinux be set to permissive. This is big for me and my appradio.
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Will be picking mine up Friday morning and I'm off, hopefully we'll have root...
NM
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2897428
Chainfire has rooted both the runoff Exynos and Snapdragon Asian variants of the Note 4!
More to come soon!
I know what I'll be doing as soon as I get mine!
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Just to clarify for those confused by this thread...Chainfire hasn't made an autoroot yet for the Sprint Note 4.
People in the main Note 4 CF-AutoRoot thread are saying that the T-Mobile root works for Sprint. So far no one has reported any issues. I want to use Titanium Backup to restore my data so I am leaning towards trying it. I will however wait until either a few more people report on it or the end of the month.
I am sure that Chainfire needs an official Sprint ROM in order to make sure that CF-AutoRoot works with minimal issues.
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People in the main Note 4 CF-AutoRoot thread are saying that the T-Mobile root works for Sprint. So far no one has reported any issues. I want to use Titanium Backup to restore my data so I am leaning towards trying it. I will however wait until either a few more people report on it or the end of the month.
I am sure that Chainfire needs an official Sprint ROM in order to make sure that CF-AutoRoot works with minimal issues.
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Just picked mine up... I'm like you, I want to jump right in and restore my stuff but I'll just hang back and wait for success stories.........
can't wait, need my titanium backup!
I've posted several times in the main thread for directions to get the recovery.img to give to Chainfire with no responses...
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I've posted several times in the main thread for directions to get the recovery.img to give to Chainfire with no responses...
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Yea i tried that too, then again i guess i dont have one anymore, mines a tmobile variant.
I was going to post in here for all watching this 1 not the main autoroot thread, that the tmobile one works but looks like info is already here
so the announcement today said that the 4 major carrier would get the nexus 6 including at&t. now we all know at&t likes to have their bootloaders locked. my question is, do you think at&t would only sell this if google agreed to lock the bootloader on their variant or do you think at&t actually sells a phone that has an unlockable bootloader?
Its a nexus phone. Did Verizon lock the gnex boot loader? No. Att can't really cause its a nexus device
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Its a nexus phone. Did Verizon lock the gnex boot loader? No. Att can't really cause its a nexus device
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i didnt know verizon sold a google nex phone let alone know they couldnt lock the bootloader. hence my question. but if you are right about at&t then that gives me something to think about.
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i didnt know verizon sold a google nex phone let alone know they couldnt lock the bootloader. hence my question. but if you are right about at&t then that gives me something to think about.
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If AT&T sells this bootloader unlocked I might actually break my vow to never again buy another contract phone from them...after the Note3 debacle I've paid full price for everything since.
The real question is whether there will be carrier bloatware on the carrier Nexus devices.
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The real question is whether there will be carrier bloatware on the carrier Nexus devices.
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That is easily fixed..... i wanna know about scarification of these devices.
AKA branding/Logos
JustusIV said:
That is easily fixed..... i wanna know about scarification of these devices.
AKA branding/Logos
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This^^^
I agree. I would be curious to know if ATT will somehow lock the bootloader. If not then i would buy from them... Otherwise i will buy on google play.
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If AT&T sells this bootloader unlocked I might actually break my vow to never again buy another contract phone from them...after the Note3 debacle I've paid full price for everything since.
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Fully Agree.
Yes the Verizon Gnex had an unlockable bootloader, but at the time most phones on AT&T also had unlockable bootloaders. The Galaxy nexus was before the carriers really started locking stuff down.
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I'm going to buy it from Google and use it on AT&T.
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I'm going to buy it from Google and use it on AT&T.
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Me too. I don't trust AT&T to not load it up with bloatware and a deathstar logo on top of a truly locked bootloader.
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Me too. I don't trust AT&T to not load it up with bloatware and a deathstar logo on top of a truly locked bootloader.
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I don't either, but you could always wait and see.
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Mark another ATT user down for a Play Store version. I needed something to replace my dying/ancient Nexus, and jumped to an One X+ from ATT not realizing it was scarred. Not making that mistake again. And, I'll be glad to have another Nexus in my hands.
--JamesT
I'm also ordering my shamu in pristine android vanilla condition straight from Google, don't trust the galactic empire at&t with his pernicious ways haha
I actually don't mind buying on contract, I doubt AT&T will do anything to it.
But I mean if it's the same phone across all carriers and the same as the play store edition, won't you just be able to replace any bootloader and anything else to function as if you bought it off contract and unlocked? The only thing I'm really concerned about is carrier lock when it comes to OTA updates.
I'm getting mine through Verizon but the discussion is the same.... will there be any difference between the Play Store and carrier versions. I think one of two scenarios will happen.
A. There's no difference, carriers will load them up with bloat. But who cares? If it's completely unlocked you will be easily able to root, wipe, rom, etc....
B. They lock the bootloaders. This would completely crush carrier sales. The majority of people interested in this phone are Android enthusiasts. Google knows that. Google also has to have good sales through the carriers at the new price point. So they likely would not agree to have a locked down Nexus 6 sold through carriers.
I am fairly confident the phones will be identical. This particular SoC, the 805, unlike all the other Qualcomm kits has discreet radio hardware not on the SoC. All of the 800/801 before it and the 808/810 after it have integrated radio hardware. I think this was an intentional agreement that Motorola/Google brokered with Qualcomm/Carriers. This way they can all sell one identical handset but the carriers will only push radio/modem updates to keep things working on their networks, but they will tell us that all software/OS updates will come from Google directly.
This ushers in a new paradigm in that for the first time we will have a truly unlocked device across all carriers and it is set up that way by design so carriers can control radio hardware and Motorola/Google can control the OS.
I'm 100% confident that google will not allow the carriers to modify the phones just like apple with the iPhone.
I plan on walking into my local at&t store to buy the phone, go home and plug it into my computer and type "fastboot OEM unlock"
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I'm 100% confident that google will not allow the carriers to modify the phones just like apple with the iPhone.
I plan on walking into my local at&t store to buy the phone, go home and plug it into my computer and type "fastboot OEM unlock"
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I plan on walking into my local AT&T store and telling them, I pay you enough money in monthly service, and in no way am I signing a new contract or using the "next" plan to lease(pay a fee on top of $15 smartphone fee), so I'l give my money to Google
Samsung Pay Launch Pushed to September
Samsung has indicated its mobile payment service will not launch over the summer months as planned. Instead, Samsung Pay will get off the ground in the U.S. and Korea in September. The company confirmed the delay in a call Wednesday with investors. Samsung Pay was announced in March and will initially be available to the Galaxy S6 and S6 Edge smartphones. It supports both NFC and magnetic payment terminals, which means it should be more widely available than either Apple Pay or Android Pay, which are limited to NFC terminals. Samsung didn't provide a reason for the delay. The company said Samsung Pay will expand to Europe, China, Australia, and South America, as well as other high-end Samsung devices, later in the year. Apple Pay has been available since October 2014 and Android Pay is expected to launch with Android M in September or October.
source: http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=15906
I have a feeling that by the time Samsung Pay is widely used, we will be using a new device by then.
It's always like that, samsung announced something with the galaxy line on the presentation and that thing it only be available by the end of the year. Every time is like that ? I don't even know when it's going to be available on europe
Most of us have already rooted our phones. No Samsung Pay for us.
Anyway, it is no biggie. How difficult is it to take out a credit card and make a payment?
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I have a feeling that by the time Samsung Pay is widely used, we will be using a new device by then.
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Samsung Galaxy S6 Plus rumours look very promising. :silly:
Galaxy S6 Plus may have the Snapdragon 808 cpu. Why call it a plus when it uses a slower CPU than the current Galaxy S6 /S6 Edge?
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Galaxy S6 Plus may have the Snapdragon 808 cpu. Why call it a plus when it uses a slower CPU than the current Galaxy S6 /S6 Edge?
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Plus don't necessarily mean fast. Just bigger (size)
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Most of us have already rooted our phones. No Samsung Pay for us.
Anyway, it is no biggie. How difficult is it to take out a credit card and make a payment?
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why carry credit card when you dont have to?
my phone is rooted, if samsung pay only works on non-rooted phone, i going to flash stock rom.
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why carry credit card when you dont have to?
my phone is rooted, if samsung pay only works on non-rooted phone, i going to flash stock rom.
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Once Knox is tripped, Samsung pay is gone from your phone.
I never leave home without my wallet so my credit card is always with me. You will never know when you will need it.
Samsung Pay will probably not be available everywhere.
MCube74 said:
Once Knox is tripped, Samsung pay is gone from your phone.
I never leave home without my wallet so my credit card is always with me. You will never know when you will need it.
Samsung Pay will probably not be available everywhere.
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please show us where Samsung itself has actually stated that Samsung pay wont work if Knox is tripped; an ACTUAL statement from Samsung, not a tweet or a Facebook post please..
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please show us where Samsung itself has actually stated that Samsung pay wont work if Knox is tripped; an ACTUAL statement from Samsung, not a tweet or a Facebook post please..
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Dude it's a guess, but it's an educated one. Go read what secures SamPay, and you'll see that it uses SamKnox as a security measure. Take a wild guess what would happen when the security protocol gets breached.
dude, the only reason I posted that is because for some reason 90% of people on xda "Assume" that tripping Knox will make samsung pay un workable, even though Samsung has never said that is the case; plus, if it turns out to be a popular form of payment, I am certain someone will come up with a way to use it, even with root/knox disabled.
for me, I could care less about it, since its just as easy, and more SECURE to just use your credit card, instead of having all that personal financial info on your cell phone, but, until Samsung actually releases it, which, from what I have read recently, has been pushed out to AFTER September, saying for certain that tripping Knox renders it un workable just cant be taken as an absolute truth..
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dude, the only reason I posted that is because for some reason 90% of people on xda "Assume" that tripping Knox will make samsung pay un workable, even though Samsung has never said that is the case; plus, if it turns out to be a popular form of payment, I am certain someone will come up with a way to use it, even with root/knox disabled.
for me, I could care less about it, since its just as easy, and more SECURE to just use your credit card, instead of having all that personal financial info on your cell phone, but, until Samsung actually releases it, which, from what I have read recently, has been pushed out to AFTER September, saying for certain that tripping Knox renders it un workable just cant be taken as an absolute truth..
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Maybe it's because 90% of us are satisfied with a tweet from Samsung, an article from Sammobile (with Samsung insiders, also quoted by the tweet) and a post from Chainfire (who knows Touchwiz better than any non-Samsung software engineer) when they all say Samsung Pay won't work when Knox is tripped. We aren't being gullible as you have led on.
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dude, the only reason I posted that is because for some reason 90% of people on xda "Assume" that tripping Knox will make samsung pay un workable, even though Samsung has never said that is the case; plus, if it turns out to be a popular form of payment, I am certain someone will come up with a way to use it, even with root/knox disabled.
for me, I could care less about it, since its just as easy, and more SECURE to just use your credit card, instead of having all that personal financial info on your cell phone, but, until Samsung actually releases it, which, from what I have read recently, has been pushed out to AFTER September, saying for certain that tripping Knox renders it un workable just cant be taken as an absolute truth..
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Wow.. If you don't even care why bother commenting, especially if it's gonna spark a argument.
I was just wondering : if Samsung pay doesn't work, we can still use android pay? It'll be a wider option and will work on a lot of device? Just guessing...
doumi215 said:
I was just wondering : if Samsung pay doesn't work, we can still use android pay? It'll be a wider option and will work on a lot of device? Just guessing...
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I would assume so. Android Pay checks for root, but there are workarounds for that.
I feel like this may have been asked multiple times, but maybe the S7 is finally the year KNOX might be needed for something. What apps are dependent on having KNOX untripped?
I know Samsung Pay requires KNOX, but Samsung Pay can be argued to be practically useless in 2015, 2016, and probably 2017 in like 99% of the US. But what else is KNOX necessary for in terms of functions of the phone and apps?
I have a SM-G935F coming in the mail later today and I'm reading up on Root and trying to decide if I should keep it clean, or go ahead and root so I can make some tweaks. I'd mostly like to know what I'm really losing in exchange for getting root access.
What is it good for? Absolutely nothing.
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Samsung pay useless? What? I use it every single day... Do you even know how Samsung Pay works? It's not Apple pay which is actually 99% useless. Samsung pay can be used at magnetic strips, which means, its 99% USEFUL.
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Samsung pay useless? What? I use it every single day... Do you even know how Samsung Pay works? It's not Apple pay which is actually 99% useless. Samsung pay can be used at magnetic strips, which means, its 99% USEFUL.
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It's 99% useful if you happen to use one of the banks that work with it. That list is far from comprehensive.
Works with multiple credit cards I have, so I would call it useful too...
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Samsung pay useless? What? I use it every single day... Do you even know how Samsung Pay works? It's not Apple pay which is actually 99% useless. Samsung pay can be used at magnetic strips, which means, its 99% USEFUL.
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It currently only works (officially) in the US and South Korea, so it's 99% useless for people outside these countries.
J.Biden said:
It currently only works (officially) in the US and South Korea, so it's 99% useless for people outside these countries.
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Did you read what the OP says? He says "Of the US". I wasn't referring to the rest of the world. And if your bank isn't adopting it yet, get a card that does. There are some amazing cash rewards cards that are supported - I personally use the Citi Double Cash.
Anyway, back on topic. Knox is really aimed at enhancing security for business, especially businesses with a BYOD policy. It lets you, or your company, wall off the business usage (e.g., Outlook Exchange) from the personal apps on your phone. For the typical personal phone user, it doesn't really do much, but that's not really who it's aimed at. Knox had gotten Samsung's phones authorized for DOD and Intel community uses that were previously limited to Blackberry, or sometimes Blackberry and iPhone.*
*DOD and the Intel community have a love-hate relationship with the iPhone. They like the fact that it's more secured, in general, than Android has been, but hate that iOS is closed source, so they can't examine the code for security holes.
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Samsung pay useless? What? I use it every single day... Do you even know how Samsung Pay works? It's not Apple pay which is actually 99% useless. Samsung pay can be used at magnetic strips, which means, its 99% USEFUL.
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I know it uses older magnetic strips and not NFC, making it backwards compatible with older machines. But it still requires a data connection, can't be used when it's out of date, requiring an update (depending on where you are this is an issue, not to mention depending where you go, the terminal to pay might not be in front of you. You could be required to hand your phone off to someone else which I'm NOT okay with, and you gotta expect them to know what they're doing, which I'm not entirely sure they would seeing as Paying with your phone has existed for atleast 4 years, I live in Fort Worth Texas, and have seen only two in those 4 years in public attempt paying with their phones, one of which failed.
The way I see it, is if the technology isn't there yet to replace your actual wallet, then why wouldn't you just use your wallet? I've tried paying with my phone 3 times, and despite being successful at the attempts, I always thought I should have just used my card in the 1st place. If I'm not confident in my phone to replace my wallet, then I consider it useless.
Even if YOU consider it useless, tripping Knox, preventing your phone to use Samsung Pay could be an obstacle when you will try to sell your phone for the futur S8 Edge ...
Actually you don't need a data connection. I've used a phone without a sim card for Samsung pay. 5 purchases can be made before you have to connect to WiFi.
sorry, im just new to samsung. anyone can explain what does tripping knox means? I disabled this feature via package disabler pro since im not using samsung pay.
Thanks!
jhannbernas said:
sorry, im just new to samsung. anyone can explain what does tripping knox means? I disabled this feature via package disabler pro since im not using samsung pay.
Thanks!
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Rooting will change the value from 0x0 to 0x1 permanently.
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Got it. something that will void the warranty. Thanks!
Chocolina said:
I feel like this may have been asked multiple times, but maybe the S7 is finally the year KNOX might be needed for something. What apps are dependent on having KNOX untripped?
I know Samsung Pay requires KNOX, but Samsung Pay can be argued to be practically useless in 2015, 2016, and probably 2017 in like 99% of the US. But what else is KNOX necessary for in terms of functions of the phone and apps?
I have a SM-G935F coming in the mail later today and I'm reading up on Root and trying to decide if I should keep it clean, or go ahead and root so I can make some tweaks. I'd mostly like to know what I'm really losing in exchange for getting root access.
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Really: don't you have "Google"?
https://www.samsungknox.com/en
http://www.samsung.com/us/business/security/knox/
Broader/bootloader, whatever. Here. Here's your thread. Please stop clogging other threads with your theories.
I'm not saying it's aliens, but it's aliens.
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Lol I feel you, OP. This has gotten sad.
Unfortunately, I don't think it matters anymore who's fault it is (both), since the only people who can do anything about it have moved on to the international version, or other devices completely. I was one of the hopeful, but the petty bickering in here and the lack of updates from Tmo has made me all but give up. The main thread got closed down, and the push pretty much died there. Ice was supposed to have Forbes cover the story and have a lawyer look into possible legal action, neither of which panned out, through no fault of Ice's. It's just the way the cookie crumbled.
For the sake of being on topic, it's both Samsung and Tmo's fault sort of. Samsung locked the phone and Tmo didn't request it be unlocked. Either one of them could unlock it easily, which is why I held out hope in the first place, but the lack of action, or even updates leads me to believe we're SOL. I'm going to file an insurance claim with Upsie and request they send me an international version. I suggest anyone who wants root do the same. Upsie's deductible is only $25, but you have to purchase a new insurance plan once you get your new phone.
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AKW said:
Lol I feel you, OP. This has gotten sad.
Unfortunately, I don't think it matters anymore who's fault it is (both), since the only people who can do anything about it have moved on to the international version, or other devices completely. I was one of the hopeful, but the petty bickering in here and the lack of updates from Tmo has made me all but give up. The main thread got closed down, and the push pretty much died there. Ice was supposed to have Forbes cover the story and have a lawyer look into possible legal action, neither of which panned out, through no fault of Ice's. It's just the way the cookie crumbled.
For the sake of being on topic, it's both Samsung and Tmo's fault sort of. Samsung locked the phone and Tmo didn't request it be unlocked. Either one of them could unlock it easily, which is why I held out hope in the first place, but the lack of action, or even updates leads me to believe we're SOL. I'm going to file an insurance claim with Upsie and request they send me an international version. I suggest anyone who wants root do the same. Upsie's deductible is only $25, but you have to purchase a new insurance plan once you get your new phone.
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T-Mobile has always been on the stance since the Amaze. It's up to the manufacturer to lock it or not. They would never request it to be locked. To date all bootloaders prior to the S7 were unlocked except where manufacturers have locked them. IE HTC. LG did lock a bootloader once and they themselves admitted(front office response) they locked it.
Someone may bring up Sony device. They still haven't answered this question. What does T-Mobile have to gain to lock those devices and not every other device on their network? Have yet to see a valid reason.
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Damn phone. Haha
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Tidbits said:
T-Mobile has always been on the stance since the Amaze. It's up to the manufacturer to lock it or not. They would never request it to be locked. To date all bootloaders prior to the S7 were unlocked except where manufacturers have locked them. IE HTC. LG did lock a bootloader once and they themselves admitted(front office response) they locked it.
Someone may bring up Sony device. They still haven't answered this question. What does T-Mobile have to gain to lock those devices and not every other device on their network? Have yet to see a valid reason.
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It's not that they requested it to be locked, it's that they didn't request it to be unlocked. Samsung is the one who physically locked it, but Tmo just it took as is.
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My 2c: the fact that Des (tmo prod vp) had to ask someone on twitter what would he do with root showed me how disconnected the power-that-be from the needs of the niche development community. It is what is. Like him, many people who are the face of tech is unfortunately just power users, with no deeper connection than somehow ending up in the tech dept by luck or by proficiency in climbing the ladder. If those who can move mountains for us on this don't understand the need in the first place , there will be no movement.
tldr; so long, SM-G930T and SM-G935T. Hope we meet again on better terms. Tmo and Samsung, give my VR and gift cards, and I'll be on my way possibly with the F. Thanks for the Netflix!
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My 2c: the fact that Des (tmo prod vp) had to ask someone on twitter what would he do with root showed me how disconnected the power-that-be from the needs of the niche development community. It is what is. Like him, many people who are the face of tech is unfortunately just power users, with no deeper connection than somehow ending up in the tech dept by luck or by proficiency in climbing the ladder. If those who can move mountains for us on this don't understand the need in the first place , there will be no movement.
tldr; so long, SM-G930T and SM-G935T. Hope we meet again on better terms. Tmo and Samsung, give my VR and gift cards, and I'll be on my way possibly with the F. Thanks for the Netflix!
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Haha yeah bet...Enjoy your new phone. The galaxy s7 edge is easily touted as the Best android smartphone out right now in terms of design, features and specs. Everybody who leaves samsung for another phone because they want root is either new to the game or just wants to tag along.. folks who have had ROOT since way back when, don't really care that much. At least I dont..i could see rooting and all if I needed it back when I was 16. Android is mature enough!!
And honestly yall should too. Returning a phone because it has EVERYTHING YOU want except root? Hahaha it's like me letting go of the perfect woman because she can't **** other guys lol. It's a SECURED device. People with root are less secure more vulnerable but hey I speak from experience. First people where crying because they didn't have an SD card Yada, yadayada not it has that, the best battery life on any phone. Yet people aren't happy? F IT, you can't please the whole gotdamn world. I know A LOT of us are indeed happy with the phone and didn't get it for the freebies like I'm sure you jumped to the g5 to get the little battery and little cam huh?
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Haha yeah bet...Enjoy your new phone. The galaxy s7 edge is easily touted as the Best android smartphone out right now in terms of design, features and specs. Everybody who leaves samsung for another phone because they want root is either new to the game or just wants to tag along.. folks who have had ROOT since way back when, don't really care that much. At least I dont..i could see rooting and all if I needed it back when I was 16. Android is mature enough!!
And honestly yall should too. Returning a phone because it has EVERYTHING YOU want except root? Hahaha it's like me letting go of the perfect woman because she can't **** other guys lol. It's a SECURED device. People with root are less secure more vulnerable but hey I speak from experience. First people where crying because they didn't have an SD card Yada, yadayada not it has that, the best battery life on any phone. Yet people aren't happy? F IT, you can't please the whole gotdamn world. I know A LOT of us are indeed happy with the phone and didn't get it for the freebies like I'm sure you jumped to the g5 to get the little battery and little cam huh?
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This was why the other threads got closed. Back to square one. LOL.
lost_ said:
This was why the other threads got closed. Back to square one. LOL.
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It is? Lol. No sht...OK then...nevermind...pointless
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Well just my 2c it doesn't matter who is at fault the fact is our device is locked down. No way I would consider returning this device. Would I like root sure but for now it isn't happening. Most of these threads are just meant to vent but really serve no purpose.
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lost_ said:
This was why the other threads got closed. Back to square one. LOL.
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v8dreaming said:
That's why I started this thread, but the bounty thread still got locked.
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It's not that they requested it to be locked, it's that they didn't request it to be unlocked. Samsung is the one who physically locked it, but Tmo just it took as is.
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Who's to say T-Mobile didn't even get the option or the choice? Samsung has been awfully quiet in this whole thing. Legere put them under the bus and do you think T-Mobile would say a lie which Samsung has proof it wasn't true to have it blow up in T-Mobile's face for lying. Think about it for a minute.
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Who's to say T-Mobile didn't even get the option or the choice? Samsung has been awfully quiet in this whole thing. Legere put them under the bus and do you think T-Mobile would say a lie which Samsung has proof it wasn't true to have it blow up in T-Mobile's face for lying. Think about it for a minute.
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Again though, it WAS Samsung who locked the bootloader, so Tmo isn't lying, and I'm sure they DID have the choice, and they chose not to request and unlocked version.
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Again though, it WAS Samsung who locked the bootloader, so Tmo isn't lying, and I'm sure they DID have the choice, and they chose not to request and unlocked version.
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Source of this information that they did have a choice, or is this purely your speculation? So far Samsung is silent and hasn't said anything about it officially.
Also they are requesting it now and Samsung has a method already developed(see china). So why the Samsung dilly dally?
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Source of this information that they did have a choice, or is this purely your speculation? So far Samsung is silent and hasn't said anything about it officially.
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I guess you could call it educated speculation. Historically, Tmo has had unlocked/unlockable bootloaders, while other carriers' were locked. This is the first phone in recent memory that has shipped locked down on Tmo, at least since I've been with them. This leads me to believethat they generally request theirs to be unlocked. If they didn't have the choice (which I guess is entirely possible) this would be the first time I can recall.
In addition, the fact that Samsung released their own Exynos versions with unlockable bootloaders lends itself to the theory that the BLs were locked at US carrier request. More than likely, AT&T and Verizon requested locked down versions, and for one reason or another, Tmo and Sprint didn't specifically request unlocked ones. I don't pretend to know what those reasons are, but I'm sure they're there.
It's also possible that ALL Snapdragon variants are locked by Qualcomm, since the only way to unlock the Asian Snapdragon variants is with the CROM Service app, but the CROM Service app doesn't work on US versions because we don't have the CROM lock on our bootloaders. This brings up the question of who's choice it was to exclude this lock as well. If it was Samsung, why did they include it on the Asian variants?Logically, it always comes back to the US carriers no matter how you look at it. This part is entirely speculation, however.
The LG G2 was locked and LG said they locked it themselves and no one was given the option and that included overseas as well.
All HTC devices were locked by HTC, but they gave an option to unlock it. HTC on carriers request will remove carrier devices from the unlock list if requested.
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Also just because other variants have the ability doesn't mean carriers were given an option. For example China which you brought up has the option. In China that could be a government request and in order to sell there they must have a method to do so.
They could easily flash a new bootloader and install allow Crom in the states. T-Mobile right now is playing nice and is taking the heat for something they probably didn't have an option, or could very well didn't know they had an option due to the fact Samsung never told them or they assumed it was unlocked as you always had to request it to be locked.
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The LG G2 was locked and LG said they locked it themselves and no one was given the option and that included overseas as well.
All HTC devices were locked by HTC, but they gave an option to unlock it. HTC on carriers request will remove carrier devices from the unlock list if requested.
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The difference between those examples and this one is that in those cases, ALL devices were locked unless (in HTC's case) the carrier specifically requested otherwise. This only lends itself to my explanation. In this case, only the Snapdragon variants are locked. Samsung's own Exynos versions aren't. The only thing that makes sense is that Samsung locked the BLs at AT&T and Verizon's request, and Tmo and Sprint were like "*shrug* whatever". Or it's possible they wanted unlocked versions, but some other circumstances prevented that from happening.
I don't know for sure, this is just the most plausible explanation I can see. Either way though it doesn't really matter. As I said in my first post on this thread, the only ones who can do anything about it have moved on and by the time Tmo or Samsung release an unlock (if they ever do) there will be significantly less development than the international version, since most devs have jumped over there.
It can't be BOTH ways. It either has to be locked and carrier request to unlock or unlocked and carriers have to lock it. Right now you are using both ways. If Verizon and AT&T can request it to be locked then that means they were unlocked to begin with. That means Sprint and T-Mobile would have to request them to be unlocked. That would mean Samsung themselves couldn't have locked it. Now if it was reversed then you would have a point. Right now last I remember both Sprint and T-Mobile said it's Samsung who locked it. The way they talk it seems like they were never given the option. Samsung could clear the air but remains silent probably due to the fact they locked it themselves and NEVER gave anyone an option here in the states.
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