6P and 5X use the same camera sensor right?
Lens too?
The only difference in camera performance could be the processor right?
Faster encoding, editing, processing etc. (see burst mode and fps in slowmo).
But If I look for pictures from the two devices the 6p ones look much much better.
Should not these pictures be... I'm not saying equal but... similar in quality?
Thanks
6p has optical image stabilization enabled.
I noticed the same thing. My 6p seems to take much better pictures in every condition than my 5x and they have the same sensor.
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smbell said:
6p has optical image stabilization enabled.
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No it doesn't.
frigidazzi said:
No it doesn't.
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It's technically EIS, and it's only for videos assuming I remember that correctly
Pilz said:
It's technically EIS, and it's only for videos assuming I remember that correctly
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Yes, 6P has digital image stabilization for 720p and 1080p videos, not for 4K videos..
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Yes, 6P has digital image stabilization for 720p and 1080p videos, not for 4K videos..
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oops, yeah, that's what I meant. sorry.
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Yes, 6P has digital image stabilization for 720p and 1080p videos, not for 4K videos..
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So I wasn't too far off then. I haven't noticed ant image quality differences between the 5X I had and my 6P.
I believe any differences could be down to slightly different image signal processors inside the Snapdragon SoC. 808 is 12-bit, 810 14-bit.
Greetings guys, ive seen that the camera api 2 is still broken for galaxy s6 in the android m, this can be checked easelly by running any custom camera app like camera fv 5, a better camera or proshot camera.
All of them return blurry pictures with camera api 2, while works flawlessly with old camera api.
Even though im very very happy with the galaxy default camera app finally supporting shutter speed and raw, i was hoping the camera api 2 wouldve been properly implemented in this build which unfortunatelly it wasnt.
So im trying to do get as much data as possible by asking you guys to post your phone model, android version, sensor brand/model and experience with camera api 2:
Ill go first:
Phone: G920F
Android: Android 6.0.1
Camera Sensor: Sony_IMX240 (To check your sensor install this app from google play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.finalwire.aida64&hl=pt_PT)
Testing:
ProShot(Paid) Blurry pictures,
Camera FV5(Paid)=Blurry Camera API2 (Resolution maximum of 8mp) and up to 3200 iso, but normal image quality with old camera api (Resolution maximum of 16mp) but only 800iso,
A Better Camera (Paid) Blurry Camera Api2 but normal image quality with old camera api.
This problem is included in lollipop 5.1.1
I talk with proshot developers for this problem 5 months ago and he hasn t solution
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This problem is included in lollipop 5.1.1
I talk with proshot developers for this problem 5 months ago and he hasn t solution
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Hi! I'm the dev of ProShot. I'm really stumped on the soft images issue on Samsung phones. If you shoot RAW you will see that correct focus was achieved, but the JPEG doesn't look quite right. Running a simple sharpen filter produces results closer to the stock camera app, but it's not quite 100%.
No other device has this issue, so Samsung is definitely at fault here. And only offering 8MP resolutions in Android M is a pretty bad oversight, they clearly didn't test this update that well :/
Hi all , I have to say that with CameraFV all problems said up are same here - blury detail on jpg photo , 8mpx max resolution for jpgs in MM. But in RAW everything is just right - detail and resolution. Dont know where is problem but think on 90% is base on Samsung's camera driver. Dont know also situation in S7.
A made also comparisson between RAWs in CameraFV and Stock Camera app for Sammy and may say that cameraFV take better detail at all , stock camera app has more noise and detail is more aggressive.
If u want i can upload reaults here to discuss
Cheers !
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Hi! I'm the dev of ProShot. I'm really stumped on the soft images issue on Samsung phones. If you shoot RAW you will see that correct focus was achieved, but the JPEG doesn't look quite right. Running a simple sharpen filter produces results closer to the stock camera app, but it's not quite 100%.
No other device has this issue, so Samsung is definitely at fault here. And only offering 8MP resolutions in Android M is a pretty bad oversight, they clearly didn't test this update that well :/
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Thank you for your contribution people, both camera fv5 and proshot are excelent camera apps. I actually love the ability to disable ois in proshot and the very nice ui. It is indeed a shame that samsung didnt pay more attention to fix buggy camera api 2. I really like the stock app in MM it has pretty much everything and im very happy with it but the phone camera couldve been even more perfect than it already is with proper support for custom camera apps :/
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Hi! I'm the dev of ProShot. I'm really stumped on the soft images issue on Samsung phones. If you shoot RAW you will see that correct focus was achieved, but the JPEG doesn't look quite right. Running a simple sharpen filter produces results closer to the stock camera app, but it's not quite 100%.
No other device has this issue, so Samsung is definitely at fault here. And only offering 8MP resolutions in Android M is a pretty bad oversight, they clearly didn't test this update that well :/
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Does this happen in S7 or S6E+ Marshmallow?
Yesterday I borrowed my friends LG G4 and found out they still have best implementaion of camera2 api.
Smasung photos will have always have grennish yellowish tint.
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Does this happen in S7 or S6E+ Marshmallow?
Yesterday I borrowed my friends LG G4 and found out they still have best implementaion of camera2 api.
Smasung photos will have always have grennish yellowish tint.
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Still haven't been able to get the MM update on my S6, but from other reports I hear it still might be there.
I use ProShot and I get blurry shots on my S6 but to be honest some pictures come out awesome, as if shot using a DSLR, and some it's just too soft. It's not the dev's fault, it's Samsung's.
I use ProShot on my LG G4 also and it doesn't have an issue with that. Noise Reduction removal is better in the G4 as well. In the S6 you see some type of weird over sharpening effect.
What I love about ProShot (with low noise reduction) is that it removes Samsung's over sharpening effect and extreme contrast so pictures come out natural.
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Hi! I'm the dev of ProShot. I'm really stumped on the soft images issue on Samsung phones. If you shoot RAW you will see that correct focus was achieved, but the JPEG doesn't look quite right. Running a simple sharpen filter produces results closer to the stock camera app, but it's not quite 100%.
No other device has this issue, so Samsung is definitely at fault here. And only offering 8MP resolutions in Android M is a pretty bad oversight, they clearly didn't test this update that well :/
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Here's the interesting thing, when you disable noise reduction on the S6, the pictures are sharp and not blurry.
TheWarKeeper said:
Greetings guys, ive seen that the camera api 2 is still broken for galaxy s6 in the android m, this can be checked easelly by running any custom camera app like camera fv 5, a better camera or proshot camera.
All of them return blurry pictures with camera api 2, while works flawlessly with old camera api.
Even though im very very happy with the galaxy default camera app finally supporting shutter speed and raw, i was hoping the camera api 2 wouldve been properly implemented in this build which unfortunatelly it wasnt.
So im trying to do get as much data as possible by asking you guys to post your phone model, android version, sensor brand/model and experience with camera api 2:
Ill go first:
Phone: G920F
Android: Android 6.0.1
Camera Sensor: Sony_IMX240 (To check your sensor install this app from google play: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.finalwire.aida64&hl=pt_PT)
Testing:
ProShot(Paid) Blurry pictures,
Camera FV5(Paid)=Blurry Camera API2 (Resolution maximum of 8mp) and up to 3200 iso, but normal image quality with old camera api (Resolution maximum of 16mp) but only 800iso,
A Better Camera (Paid) Blurry Camera Api2 but normal image quality with old camera api.
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There is a app called cinema 4k which also uses camera2 api. It didn't work on marshmallow so i had to downgrade to lollipop, after downgrading it worked without any problems
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There is a app called cinema 4k which also uses camera2 api. It didn't work on marshmallow so i had to downgrade to lollipop, after downgrading it worked without any problems
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Thats because when you downgraded the camera api 1 was used by the app bu default instead of camera api 2
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Thats because when you downgraded the camera api 1 was used by the app bu default instead of camera api 2
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Whats the difference between camera1 api and camera2 api
Camera FV-5 fixed. (16Mpix available, etc...)
atherion said:
Camera FV-5 fixed. (16Mpix available, etc...)
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Which version you use
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Which version you use
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Latest 3.15.1
I have some issues with RAW capturing on 3.15.1 , on 10 photos only 1 had DNG file ?
Hi!
I'm on stock marshmallow with the august security patch. According the the manual camera test app my phone does not have raw capabilities. What could be causing this? (I can capture raw with the default camera app just fine)
4k issue on galaxy s7 shots 3264x2448 instead of 3840x2160 using Proshot. Please fix this. No 60fps for FHD option as well.
I have been wading through all the YouTube videos trying to get an idea if the ZTE Axon 7 will be my next phone and I find this
I am totally suprised at how good the OIS / EIS is working and it looks to me very similar to the S7 and iPhone 6s+ stabilisation.
If anyone has the phone please let us know what you think and if you can post some video capture in 1080p that would be great to.
The autofocus seems lost too often in this scene...
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The autofocus seems lost too often in this scene...
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It does. Software issue so could be fixed ? But how about that ois
How many axis OIS and EIS are these?
Is EIS part of camera unit or is it ZTE development?
Does EIS operate in case of 4K and/or 60fps?
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How many axis OIS and EIS are these?
Is EIS part of camera unit or is it ZTE development?
Does EIS operate in case of 4K and/or 60fps?
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I don't know as in the UK it's still not released yet
OIS is hardware and EIS is the electronic image stabilisation in the software. It looks floating like an iPhone or Samsung s7 but I would compare it more to the iPhone 6s plus but as someone already commented it is hunting for focus too much. Let's hope we can lock focus at least until they release the promised updates.....lol. Zte updating a phone. I think we will have more luck with custom roms if they unlock the bootloader!
The OIS is performing so well wow. Some of the other videos show really bad performance, wonder if its part of a new update?
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I don't know as in the UK it's still not released yet
OIS is hardware and EIS is the electronic image stabilisation in the software. It looks floating like an iPhone or Samsung s7 but I would compare it more to the iPhone 6s plus but as someone already commented it is hunting for focus too much. Let's hope we can lock focus at least until they release the promised updates.....lol. Zte updating a phone. I think we will have more luck with custom roms if they unlock the bootloader!
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OK it is clear that EIS is software solution for the problem. I don't know too much about phone cameras but look at this article.
http://www.androidauthority.com/sony-announced-imx318-cmos-image-sensor-673495/
It is just about camera device alone and it says "the IMX318 supports 4K capture at 30fps and features electronic image stabilization to reduce camera shake and lens distortion", which means for me that software is included in the camera itself. Or?
Regarding axis I read the following meanwhile "The back of the Axon 7 is where you will find a 20 mega-pixel dual OIS rear camera".
http://www.gizchina.com/2016/08/08/zte-axon-7-first-impressions/
I suppose that dual is the number of axis because A7 has only one rear camera.
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OK it is clear that EIS is software solution for the problem. I don't know too much about phone cameras but look at this article.
http://www.androidauthority.com/sony-announced-imx318-cmos-image-sensor-673495/
It is just about camera device alone and it says "the IMX318 supports 4K capture at 30fps and features electronic image stabilization to reduce camera shake and lens distortion", which means for me that software is included in the camera itself. Or?
Regarding axis I read the following meanwhile "The back of the Axon 7 is where you will find a 20 mega-pixel dual OIS rear camera".
http://www.gizchina.com/2016/08/08/zte-axon-7-first-impressions/
I suppose that dual is the number of axis because A7 has only one rear camera.
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The phone has both OIS and EIS, that's why the "dual OIS" part should say "dual IS". Both OIS and EIS mechanisms are built into the sensor module, but while EIS is performed on the sensor, the OIS is performed by the SoC taking the reading from the 2-axis gyro (haven't seen any specs indicating more than that) and driving the (most likely VCM) motors in the module.
The auto-focus hunt in the video is too much, hope it can be locked, it made me nauseated
No info on what sensor it is now that is interesting. Knew the glass would be cheap but that's the way it goes on a cheap phone.
Overall looks quite good to me compared to the op3.
The pocket now review found that OIS is not so good and if you enable EIS, it gets worse. In the end they called it ambitious but flawed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un0FJCYKTcM
I know the Pixel only has EIS so, hypothetically, it can be used on the 6P (unless it only works with Pixel hardware). Has anyone had any luck doing this?
Developer preview 7.1 is available for the Nexus 6P and I find the stabilization much better.
By the way, the 6P has EIS also.
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Developer preview 7.1 is available for the Nexus 6P and I find the stabilization much better.
By the way, the 6P has EIS also.
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I understand that the 6P does as well, but I found comparison videos showing the Pixel to be much better. Here's to hoping. I will probably upgrade to the dev preview when I get the kinks sorted out in my 7.0 install.
Hello everyone!
I watched this video from Total Tech on youtube back in January, it was Qualcolm demonstrating the new video stabilization abilities of the Snapdragon 835. It had me rather hyped, as it seemed like a huge upstep from last years stabilization for the 8xx series.
Does anyone know what happened to it? Was this exposed as a sham? Or was it some sort of super OIS+ EIS combo that was on display?
Other SD 835 phones like the Samsung S8 , HTC U11and Xiaomi something or other, don't appear to have EIS 3.0 judging from the quality of the video stabilization from the camera samples I have seen. This is what makes me think something is up with EIS 3.0 rather than the manufacturers failing to implement it in. with their phones.
Do you think we will eventually see a software update that includes some form of EIS 3.0? Similar to how we got that significant video stabilization upgrade like we got on oxygen 3..2.7 or 3.2.8 on the oneplus 3?
Does anyone have any supplemental information about EIS 3.0?