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Looks like the G4's OIS is too aggressive and the videos taken look shaky.
Is this something future G4 owners will have to live with or can this be fixed by a software update, or perhaps a third party camera app?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY6rAE8FNkg
@4:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4MtfKfBW9E
Sharpshooterrr said:
Looks like the G4's OIS is too aggressive and the videos taken look shaky.
Is this something future G4 owners will have to live with or can this be fixed by a software update, or perhaps a third party camera app?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BY6rAE8FNkg
@4:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4MtfKfBW9E
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I think LG depends too much on the OIS. OIS should work with DIS, not be an either-or situation.
The OIS in the G4 has more travel than the S6, which means it wants to stabilize the picture when the camera is moving during video and then snaps back more when it hits the end of the travel. The net result is, paradoxically, shakier video when the camera is moving around. This issue with video and OIS was pointed out in the Anandtech review of the S6, and was considered the probable reason that the iPhone 6+ disables OIS for video and uses only EIS.
I haven't tried it, but I've read that using EIS in conjunction with OIS on the S6 causes the video the pitch all over the place. Since OIS can't be disabled, it was recommended to disable EIS.
Technically, the OIS in the G4 is OIS 2.0 as they added another axis.
Yeah, that does not look good.
Yes, a software update can chill out the censors activities. The hardware is not just independently acting on it's own.
Umm....Those videos were taken at 1080p....not UHD setting. Not sure how that affects OIS.
All I can say is that my G3 takes very steady video on UHD...nothing as shaky or warping like as that video showed for the G4. I can't imagine LG screwing up so badly with the G4. I really want the G4 because of its better contrast screen(once thing I always found annoying is that the G3 always looked a bit grey/washed out compared to OLED screens). I will be looking to get the G4 full price, not on contract....so really hope this OIS thing gets sorted out.
Quite frankly, the OIS issue isn't really a big deal unless you really like taking video while walking around. For typical video shooting, OIS helps way more than it hurts.
Keep in mind these are early G4's with a non final firmware.
On the other hand if you send reviewers a G4 better have the OIS fixed.
Let's hope it will be not that bad.
The conclusions are too early.
The person who posted an another video of speed test said that this is not a review unit, It is a consumer unit which all consumers will use in comments when someone asked
Ha love the idea of quoting one early review and then stating it is fact and gospel. Ridiculous.
I am buying it. No matter what is OIS doing. It's better with it then without. I can't understand why we even talking about something that is hitting the shelves at the end of the month [ here in Europe ].
I use my G3 for video very heavily. (got over 2tb of videos from it and its only been almost a year since I got it.) None of my vids are that janky as in those review videos.
Just have to wait until the G4 is out for a while...see what happens.
speedingcheetah said:
I use my G3 for video very heavily. (got over 2tb of videos from it and its only been almost a year since I got it.) None of my vids are that janky as in those review videos.
Just have to wait until the G4 is out for a while...see what happens.
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Yes I've had the g4 since last Tuesday - got it from a work mate in South Korea - and my videos look fine.
Silly LG ! why don't LG just use common sense? if they give unstable, unreliable and unfinished phone or software version phone to people for try they will publish and talk about all it deficiency, problem and other bad things, most of people publish video, opinion and review based on this initial hardware and software, so instead of promotion LG is actually damage his image and product and ruin the successful flagship launch by doing it, also LG need to understand that when they give phone to thousands of people to try give them a best looking phone instead of just giving plastic version to every tester or reviewer, do you thing any tester or reviewer can impress their friends or family by showed this unimpressive plastic version???
One thing I will say, I just did a video testing myself with my G4. The video was a little shaky then what I thought was recorded but what did annoy me was in auto mode the focusing was just horrible.
This camera software is definitely not finished
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Hanson68 said:
The OIS in the G4 has more travel than the S6, which means it wants to stabilize the picture when the camera is moving during video and then snaps back more when it hits the end of the travel. The net result is, paradoxically, shakier video when the camera is moving around. This issue with video and OIS was pointed out in the Anandtech review of the S6, and was considered the probable reason that the iPhone 6+ disables OIS for video and uses only EIS.
I haven't tried it, but I've read that using EIS in conjunction with OIS on the S6 causes the video the pitch all over the place. Since OIS can't be disabled, it was recommended to disable EIS.
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Usually OIS can be disabled through build.prop
upload this file found here system/lib/hw/camera.msm8xxx.so
i will find what needs to be added to build.prop to disable ois
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxgZfYS_ZeU
Maybe we should disable OIS and try to figure out a way to have DIS.
And on this review they say it has better stabilisation?
Lbs has a faulty device?
https://youtu.be/3b5B8LkrFF8
defcomg said:
Usually OIS can be disabled through build.prop
upload this file found here system/lib/hw/camera.msm8xxx.so
i will find what needs to be added to build.prop to disable ois
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Would there be any way to disable OIS on a G3? Sorry to go a bit off topic with my question but this thread is the only one I could find anywhere on the web mentioning the possibility if disabling OIS on an LG phone.
I use my phone as a dash cam when driving my car on race tracks. OIS give a wavey distortion due to the various G forces encountered.
Defcomg, will a solution for the G4 work on a G3?
Upload camera.MSM8974.so from g3 I will find the build.prop property needed to disable ois
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Here are the OIS Control params they can be added to an opensource camera app such as a better camera/opencamera/freedcam
Key
Code:
"ois-ctrl"
Values
Code:
"preview-capture","capture","video","centering-only","centering-off"
this is from a g2 pro lib but it was the same in g3 lib not sure if it applies to g4
Thanks defcomg for a quick reply. I don't see any access to system/lib/hw/camera. I'm going to bet my phone needs to be rooted. I can give that a go but it may take a while for me to learn how. Sorry I'm a low level user. And Verizon is pounding me to update to Lollipop which I have been hesitant to do. (I read lots of complaints about battery degradation and wi-fi issues.) I should probably go ahead and do that in case doing it later unroots the phone.
I have been wading through all the YouTube videos trying to get an idea if the ZTE Axon 7 will be my next phone and I find this
I am totally suprised at how good the OIS / EIS is working and it looks to me very similar to the S7 and iPhone 6s+ stabilisation.
If anyone has the phone please let us know what you think and if you can post some video capture in 1080p that would be great to.
The autofocus seems lost too often in this scene...
masterbox said:
The autofocus seems lost too often in this scene...
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It does. Software issue so could be fixed ? But how about that ois
How many axis OIS and EIS are these?
Is EIS part of camera unit or is it ZTE development?
Does EIS operate in case of 4K and/or 60fps?
obladi64 said:
How many axis OIS and EIS are these?
Is EIS part of camera unit or is it ZTE development?
Does EIS operate in case of 4K and/or 60fps?
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I don't know as in the UK it's still not released yet
OIS is hardware and EIS is the electronic image stabilisation in the software. It looks floating like an iPhone or Samsung s7 but I would compare it more to the iPhone 6s plus but as someone already commented it is hunting for focus too much. Let's hope we can lock focus at least until they release the promised updates.....lol. Zte updating a phone. I think we will have more luck with custom roms if they unlock the bootloader!
The OIS is performing so well wow. Some of the other videos show really bad performance, wonder if its part of a new update?
ipmanwck said:
I don't know as in the UK it's still not released yet
OIS is hardware and EIS is the electronic image stabilisation in the software. It looks floating like an iPhone or Samsung s7 but I would compare it more to the iPhone 6s plus but as someone already commented it is hunting for focus too much. Let's hope we can lock focus at least until they release the promised updates.....lol. Zte updating a phone. I think we will have more luck with custom roms if they unlock the bootloader!
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OK it is clear that EIS is software solution for the problem. I don't know too much about phone cameras but look at this article.
http://www.androidauthority.com/sony-announced-imx318-cmos-image-sensor-673495/
It is just about camera device alone and it says "the IMX318 supports 4K capture at 30fps and features electronic image stabilization to reduce camera shake and lens distortion", which means for me that software is included in the camera itself. Or?
Regarding axis I read the following meanwhile "The back of the Axon 7 is where you will find a 20 mega-pixel dual OIS rear camera".
http://www.gizchina.com/2016/08/08/zte-axon-7-first-impressions/
I suppose that dual is the number of axis because A7 has only one rear camera.
obladi64 said:
OK it is clear that EIS is software solution for the problem. I don't know too much about phone cameras but look at this article.
http://www.androidauthority.com/sony-announced-imx318-cmos-image-sensor-673495/
It is just about camera device alone and it says "the IMX318 supports 4K capture at 30fps and features electronic image stabilization to reduce camera shake and lens distortion", which means for me that software is included in the camera itself. Or?
Regarding axis I read the following meanwhile "The back of the Axon 7 is where you will find a 20 mega-pixel dual OIS rear camera".
http://www.gizchina.com/2016/08/08/zte-axon-7-first-impressions/
I suppose that dual is the number of axis because A7 has only one rear camera.
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The phone has both OIS and EIS, that's why the "dual OIS" part should say "dual IS". Both OIS and EIS mechanisms are built into the sensor module, but while EIS is performed on the sensor, the OIS is performed by the SoC taking the reading from the 2-axis gyro (haven't seen any specs indicating more than that) and driving the (most likely VCM) motors in the module.
The auto-focus hunt in the video is too much, hope it can be locked, it made me nauseated
No info on what sensor it is now that is interesting. Knew the glass would be cheap but that's the way it goes on a cheap phone.
Overall looks quite good to me compared to the op3.
The pocket now review found that OIS is not so good and if you enable EIS, it gets worse. In the end they called it ambitious but flawed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Un0FJCYKTcM
Hello!
I am thinking about buying OP5, but from what i saw the camera has disappointed me.
Maybe is it a fault for bad camera software? Do you guys remember if there was any changes to quality of photos taken from OP3 in the first day and months later?
Will the next update add EIS for 4K and 1080p/60fps?
with my oneplus 3t, we received very important upgrades. i am sure that the camera processing software will be improved a lot
silverkin said:
Hello!
I am thinking about buying OP5, but from what i saw the camera has disappointed me.
Maybe is it a fault for bad camera software? Do you guys remember if there was any changes to quality of photos taken from OP3 in the first day and months later?
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Today I watched a OP5 review specifically on the camera and the majority of criticisms were attributed to software. The reviewer felt that at least some of them would be correct with an OP update (e.g. panorama stitching) and others he hoped they would eventually be fixed.
So you telling me that OP5 does not have 60fps mode?
one bug caught: the selfie is mirrored - look at the words in all the selfie pics.
Camera seems to be very strange right now.. I've seen different reviews, and almost every one shows (but the reviewer doesn't tell) the camera to be a bit inconsistent. Sometimes details are just "washed out" and sometimes they're better than the Galaxy S8.
Anyone else noticed this?
Couldn't one use the HDR of Google's Camera? I lol'd during 1+'s presentation when they said that they trained their HDR algorithm with "over 1000 images". You know you're competing against Google, right?
Hi everyone! I'm new here.
I was interested in this phone (x722) because its crazy cheap for what it offers, but at the same time I am interested in a phone with a good video recording (with stabilization) so before buying I wanted to check.
I was wondering if anyone having the x722 and having installed a custom rom and the GCam port, could tell me how it stabilizes, in which settings (4k, 1080) and if its possible to record 1080/60fps videos aswell?
If some nice person around here would do some test and check if it stabilizes video well and can record 1080/60 it would be great.
Thanks a lot in advance! Hope to see some useful replies
I don't have proof, but people like the camera when they're using it with the modded Gcam. 60fps recording should work with modded Gcam, but it doesn't work normally, i.e. with the stock camera or OpenCamera, despite giving you the 60fps recording option. The IMX298 takes decent 60fps, nothing special. About on par with the iPhone 6. But I don't think you get video stabilization at all. You'll have to stabilize it yourself in Google photos or something.
Source: I owned a Zenfone 3, which has the same sensor.
sk8223 said:
I don't have proof, but people like the camera when they're using it with the modded Gcam. 60fps recording should work with modded Gcam, but it doesn't work normally, i.e. with the stock camera or OpenCamera, despite giving you the 60fps recording option. The IMX298 takes decent 60fps, nothing special. About on par with the iPhone 6. But I don't think you get video stabilization at all. You'll have to stabilize it yourself in Google photos or something.
Source: I owned a Zenfone 3, which has the same sensor.
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The OP3T has pretty good electronic stabilization and uses the same IMX298 sensor aswell, so its definitely not a sensor problem in your Zenfone.
The LeEco pretty much has the same capabilities as the OP3/3T, it should be perfectly doable
I don't know, I guess the app would have to give you the option for stabilization. I just tested video recording on my phone and it doesn't have stabilization. I used Open Camera. I'm not rooted so I can't try the modded Gcam.
sk8223 said:
I don't know, I guess the app would have to give you the option for stabilization. I just tested video recording on my phone and it doesn't have stabilization. I used Open Camera. I'm not rooted so I can't try the modded Gcam.
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Yes, I was asking to people that had a custom Nougat ROM + Google Cam 5.0
Could someone in general post pictures and videos taken on the X722 with gcam? I am thinking of buying this Phone.
I'm planning to buy PM3 and as I searched on Google, there's no EIS support according to GSMarena site.
Though there's no gyro in the phone required for manually installing eis as said in;
Get EIS (Electronic Image Stabilization) on Any Android Smartphone.
Get EIS (Electronic Image Stabilization) on Any Android Smartphone. : Hello guys. Today I have a new hack for all them Smartphone photographers who have a phone with decent camera but while recording the videos are very shaky and your camera lacks EIS (Electronic Image Stabilization). Most...
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Does installing camera apps like gcam can solve the lack of image stabilization???
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ZhandR said:
I'm planning to buy PM3 and as I searched on Google, there's no EIS support according to GSMarena site.
Though there's no gyro in the phone required for manually installing eis as said in;
Get EIS (Electronic Image Stabilization) on Any Android Smartphone.
Get EIS (Electronic Image Stabilization) on Any Android Smartphone. : Hello guys. Today I have a new hack for all them Smartphone photographers who have a phone with decent camera but while recording the videos are very shaky and your camera lacks EIS (Electronic Image Stabilization). Most...
www.instructables.com
Does installing camera apps like gcam can solve the lack of image stabilization???
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