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New Software update available on NOTE

Just got notification today morning on my NOTE that software update is available.
Size is around = 72 mb
Haven't started the update yet (coz no wifi right now in office) will do it in evening after reaching home.
Does anybody else got this.. any idea what is this update about (ICS)..?
Note: - I am on 2.3.6 version

Nothing avail here.
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This size is only possible for cm9 ics update not for a stock ics
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Im new to Android, how would we upgrade to ics when they release the update?
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Nothing on mine too

rohit_sachdeva2002 said:
Just got notification today morning on my NOTE that software update is available.
Size is around = 72 mb
Haven't started the update yet (coz no wifi right now in office) will do it in evening after reaching home.
Does anybody else got this.. any idea what is this update about (ICS)..?
Note: - I am on 2.3.6 version
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Where do you live?

New Delhi, India

My friends got it a fe days ago. I havent gotten mine.
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I feel like we're discussing our periods not mobile firmware updates hahahha

rohit_sachdeva2002 said:
Just got notification today morning on my NOTE that software update is available.
Size is around = 72 mb
Haven't started the update yet (coz no wifi right now in office) will do it in evening after reaching home.
Does anybody else got this.. any idea what is this update about (ICS)..?
Note: - I am on 2.3.6 version
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its the new LA5 for india with the Ashoka Hindi keypad. enjoy!
India Release: GT-N7000 N7000DDLA5

Okay thanks for the info

I got this update a couple of days back too...
Not much difference, a little smoother/quicker and the unlock is a little different.

rgarjr said:
Im new to Android, how would we upgrade to ics when they release the update?
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you can do it either by your mobile update function in settings den about or you can do it by kies from your pc.
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CorruptedSanity said:
My friends got it a fe days ago. I havent gotten mine.
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I feel like we're discussing our periods not mobile firmware updates hahahha
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Mine popped up, I hit update.... Pretended to do something but then it said no update available, lol

will i loose root if i do OTA update thru mobile settings?

darthvedor said:
will i loose root if i do OTA update thru mobile settings?
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Samsung doesn't supply OTAs for us rooted guys, so don't worry.

chasmodo said:
Samsung doesn't supply OTAs for us rooted guys, so don't worry.
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i heard if you update LA5 thru software update, you loose the root and than there is no way to root it again unless you downgrade to lower version and than flash thru odin.

Note 4 SM-N910F Lollipop UK?

Hi, I was just wondering if anyone in the UK has received the Lollipop OTA or the update via Kies yet?
I am using a EE Note 4 with the BTU 4.4.4 stock rom (BTU CSC aswell). There hasn't been much news that I've seen since around early january about the Note 4 Lollipop update. If anyone has any input on this, it would be great to hear from you. As you can probably tell, I'm new to XDA. But I feel that the best people to speak to about this stuff are on here
P.S. I'm a techie, so any questions or things to talk about regarding this post I would be more than happy to discuss

http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/database/SM-N910F/
Check Sammobile for firmware... As of now a Vodafone UK lollipop update exists. You can flash it via Odin and will work fine with an EE handset.

Will it work on my unlocked o2 phone too

Flashing ROM on o2
yogihoy said:
Will it work on my unlocked o2 phone too
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If its a 910F it should work.
Just to cover your ass, install TWRP, and make a full Nandroid backup.
First flash TWRP via ODIN and backup.
Then install the firmware.
All the tutorials can be found on this site:
http://galaxynote4root.com/

As more and more branded and unbranded Note 4 receive lollipop around the world I find it very difficult to understand why the Note 4 which I bought from the official Samsung Website last November has not received the update.
Has anyone in the UK received the official lollipop update OTA for the unbranded Note 4?
I have just spoken to the UK Samsung support and they said I should get it on 27th April and to phone them if I don't get it.
They said it has been delayed because of bugs but couldn't explain why it has been delayed longer for me compared to most others unless I am getting 5.1 instead of 5.02.

Gaugerer said:
As more and more branded and unbranded Note 4 receive lollipop around the world I find it very difficult to understand why the Note 4 which I bought from the official Samsung Website last November has not received the update.
Has anyone in the UK received the official lollipop update OTA for the unbranded Note 4?
I have just spoken to the UK Samsung support and they said I should get it on 27th April and to phone them if I don't get it.
They said it has been delayed because of bugs but couldn't explain why it has been delayed longer for me compared to most others unless I am getting 5.1 instead of 5.02.
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Interesting to see if the come through with that update on that date.

Uk unlocked note 4 user here. They bug reason does not surprise me at all, my other half has a S5 has the lollipop update back in Jan she has regretted it ever since, all sorts of issues with the radio particularly when disconnecting from wifi back to 3/4g she is left without a data connection.
From what I gather the 2 phones use the same if not similar radios.

Hey guys,
I have a UK BTU samsung note 4 unlocked, I.just got the update for lollipop.
Just downloading now.
Hope that helps
It's only 5.0 thought it would of been at least 5.01 not sure I want to install lol

I have too....... [emoji1] [emoji1] [emoji1] [emoji1] [emoji1]

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I have too....... [emoji1] [emoji1] [emoji1] [emoji1] [emoji1]
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Have you installed yet, can't understand why we only get 5.0

Not yet still download.

oggythedoggy said:
Not yet still download.
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Let me know how u get on

OK i will... [emoji106]

Problem when is donwload, after start to install but is give me error, I try two times bet the same thing happen. I will try with kies.... [emoji20]

oggythedoggy said:
Problem when is donwload, after start to install but is give me error, I try two times bet the same thing happen. I will try with kies.... [emoji20]
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Oh I see. Mine has downloaded but not sure I want to install 5.0 that had all the problems.
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Interesting as samsung live update or sammobile show that this firmware is available yet, they both still say 4.4.4 is the latest firmware.
Confused

Phone has now been updated and is running 5.0.1 build number BOC5. No errors while installing

Did you update via Kies?
I have the same problem with OTA.
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skutyy said:
Did you update via Kies?
I have the same problem with OTA.
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No mine was an OTA update, and all worked perfectly fine for me. after oggythedoggy said he had an error i thought i should just try and it installed fine.
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oggythedoggy said:
Problem when is donwload, after start to install but is give me error, I try two times bet the same thing happen. I will try with kies.... [emoji20]
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Did you manage to get yours sorted via Kies

No not yet...I'm at work and will try on afternoon
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Response from Samsung to my error raport:
Thank you for your email. Your customer reference number is ......
Due to the nature of this matter a remote management session may be the best solution for you. This would involve a technical expert accessing the screen of your device to perform advanced troubleshooting steps.
For a technician to access your phone, you will need a stable internet connection (Wi-Fi is recommended). You will also need to download 'Smart Tutor' from the Google Play Store or Samsung Apps, and allow 'Unknown Sources'. To do this, please follow the steps below:
Settings/About Phone/Security/Unknown Sources (turn to Allowed)
For PC access, a stable internet connection is required. I recommend that you check for any Windows/Mac OS updates before the session starts.
I would like to reassure you that this is a secure service, and none of your personal details, files or settings can be accessed without permission.
The remote management team works by appointment so depending on availability it could take up to 72 hours to secure a session. The session length can vary; I recommend that you allow for 2 hours. Please reply with your preferred time and date, and I will forward your details to our Remote Management Team.
Alternatively, you can ring our Help Desk and one of our advisors will be happy to assist you further. Our opening hours are Monday to Saturday, 09:00-18:00.
I look forward to your response.
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New Update 2.19.40.22 (2nd July) - Release notes Added

Today got new update 2.19.40.22
30mb Package
1 Add kill switch (Anti-theft) function for US and Canada regulation.
2 Improve modem capability in India
3 Fixed the issue that cannot phone with Tailand True Provider SIM1.

Just updated to .22 from .20 and now I am having bootloops.
What I did;
1: uninstalled Busybox
2. Left root on
Bootloop.
Tried to clear cache. Still bootlooping.

downloading now! Hope they continue making the phone better and software optimized.

randyrivera said:
Just updated to .22 from .20 and now I am having bootloops.
What I did;
1: uninstalled Busybox
2. Left root on
Bootloop.
Tried to clear cache. Still bootlooping.
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Why did you left root on? You know, for sure, that yuou have to unroot first before updating.
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Will hold update for now until change log becomes available.

No release notes?

AaronICK said:
Why did you left root on? You know, for sure, that yuou have to unroot first before updating.
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Will hold update for now until change log becomes available.
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arrrgh. laziness.
I am sideloading the original FW ver. 2.19.40.18 (1.15GB) now. So now it is unrooted. Then update to .20 then to .22, then root again. What a waste of time. Should have unrooted first. haha.

sirsomething said:
No release notes?
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Maybe they just made unlocking impossible now
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cmendonc2 said:
Maybe they just made unlocking impossible now
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Ahahah hope not

randyrivera said:
arrrgh. laziness.
I am sideloading the original FW ver. 2.19.40.18 (1.15GB) now. So now it is unrooted. Then update to .20 then to .22, then root again. What a waste of time. Should have unrooted first. haha.
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How do you sideload flash? So is it like flashing stock?
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Battery draining fast.. I think so did others noticed ?

donnabelmartie said:
How do you sideload flash? So is it like flashing stock?
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Yup. Something like that.
In order to fix mine and bring back alive.
1. Download the latest FW for the ZE551 from the Zenfone 2 support page of Asus India.
2. Install TWRP
3. Format /system and /data via TWRP
4. Flash the latest firmware .20 downloaded above.
Back in business. Bootloader still unlocked. I will try to update to .22 later. Hope everything goes well or else back to square one.

I found the update summary on asus Chinese site. Translating it into English:
1. The United States and Canada software get new security feature Kill switch
2. Improve India's 3G signal data Capability
3. Fix Thailand Provider True SIM1 not able to make call

mrmathematica said:
I found the update summary on asus Chinese site. Translating it into English:
1. The United States and Canada software get new security feature Kill switch
2. Improve India's 3G signal data Capability
3. Fix Thailand Provider True SIM1 not able to make call
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It is very Important Fix for Europe

john_petrucci said:
It is very Important Fix for Europe
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If we ever go to India it is xD

anybody with the 550 got an update? it seems to be only for the 551
Sent from my ASUS_Z008D using Tapatalk

Does anyone have the zip for this update we can download? Thanks in advance.

Sorry

Ah they sent the update to comply with the new California law.

Sammaul said:
Ah they sent the update to comply with the new California law.
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ahh, that explains why I had to go through those options in my settings...

jaysus145 said:
ahh, that explains why I had to go through those options in my settings...
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Yeah, and now everyone will have to in the future. When it comes to California, any such law they pass ends up standard...irritating.

Updated My Grand Prime To Latest.

Hello everyone i have a question in my mind that I have updated my grand prime smg531f to latest update by samsung my all bugs got fixed and I have ultra data saving and themes option available now. I want to ask is theme chooser & ultra data saving is available in updates of other models of grand prime?
Please answer people

Owen007 said:
Hello everyone i have a question in my mind that I have updated my grand prime smg531f to latest update by samsung my all bugs got fixed and I have ultra data saving and themes option available now. I want to ask is theme chooser & ultra data saving is available in updates of other models of grand prime?
Please answer people
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I will check on g531h. I got the ultra data saving months ago via update but the theme is something that i didnt get. Btw i have to wait for some time cuz i give my g531h to my bro as his phone got damaged and I bought an lg. But i miss grand prime because there is still no proper way to root this lg device and it doesnt have anything like odin so it sucks.
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Owen007 said:
Hello everyone i have a question in my mind that I have updated my grand prime smg531f to latest update by samsung my all bugs got fixed and I have ultra data saving and themes option available now. I want to ask is theme chooser & ultra data saving is available in updates of other models of grand prime?
Please answer people
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Can tell me your frimware from the about device

waleeds1 said:
I will check on g531h. I got the ultra data saving months ago via update but the theme is something that i didnt get. Btw i have to wait for some time cuz i give my g531h to my bro as his phone got damaged and I bought an lg. But i miss grand prime because there is still no proper way to root this lg device and it doesnt have anything like odin so it sucks.
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Can tell me your frimware from the about device
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baseband version:- G531FDDU1APJ2
You can check on sammobile about my device frimware
Device name:- grand prime Smg531f
Country:- India
Try using kingoroot or vroot from pc u will get success i am sure because many if the devices which are unable to root got root access with vroot pc tool.

Owen007 said:
baseband version:- G531FDDU1APJ2
You can check on sammobile about my device frimware
Device name:- grand prime Smg531f
Country:- India
Try using kingoroot or vroot from pc u will get success i am sure because many if the devices which are unable to root got root access with vroot pc tool.
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No the problem is that it doesnt have an unlocked bootloader so when you try these tools there is a possibility that the phone gets bootloop and as there is no odin type proper software for lg it cant be recovered easily. Recovery is your luck for this phone which im having.

waleeds1 said:
No the problem is that it doesnt have an unlocked bootloader so when you try these tools there is a possibility that the phone gets bootloop and as there is no odin type proper software for lg it cant be recovered easily. Recovery is your luck for this phone which im having.
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Try flashing supersu older versions for eg:- beta 2.56 if its lollipop if kitkat try older.
I will suggest try v root because it wont get u bootloop.
Try kingroot.apk if u got even failed u get no bootloop.

Owen007 said:
Try flashing supersu older versions for eg:- beta 2.56 if its lollipop if kitkat try older.
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Nah its MM. You can check it its LG K10. But its not the 2017 k10 that is a new model but i wont try to root it not before the mid of 2017 i guess cuz i just bought it a month ago. Btw I checked my grand prime it doesnt have the update yet. Ill check another firmware for my country via odin when my bro gets a new phone cuz this country has 3-4 different firmwares and the one which i flashed on my phone (without knowing what was my stock firmware because i flashed my first firmwsre when i was a complete noob)has the oldest updat date.

waleeds1 said:
Nah its MM. You can check it its LG K10. But its not the 2017 k10 that is a new model but i wont try to root it not before the mid of 2017 i guess cuz i just bought it a month ago. Btw I checked my grand prime it doesnt have the update yet. Ill check another firmware for my country via odin when my bro gets a new phone cuz this country has 3-4 different firmwares and the one which i flashed on my phone (without knowing what was my stock firmware because i flashed my first firmwsre when i was a complete noob)has the oldest updat date.
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Maybe try another country frimware.

Owen007 said:
Maybe try another country frimware.
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Yeah i will see that when my bro gets a new phone.
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Btw does the drop does the ui and apps like contacts also change with theme?

waleeds1 said:
Yeah i will see that when my bro gets a new phone.
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Btw does the drop does the ui and apps like contacts also change with theme?
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Nope the theme only makes the phone visuals better it doesn change any app ui.

Owen007 said:
Nope the theme only makes the phone visuals better it doesn change any app ui.
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So its the same as those which are provided by root method which means it only changes wallpaper and icons. And what about the notification in the ss was it stock (because of theme) or you used some mod

waleeds1 said:
So its the same as those which are provided by root method which means it only changes wallpaper and icons. And what about the notification in the ss was it stock (because of theme) or you used some mod
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U mean notification of uds? Yes its android n type notification.

Owen007 said:
U mean notification of uds? Yes its android n type notification.
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Ik i mean is this from the update? Any new thing in the update you noticed other than this? Samsung should include a changelog after every update. The last update on my grand prime gave made fb as a sydtem app and i didnt have fb installed at that time so it got installed. Why does samsung wants me to keep fb?

waleeds1 said:
Ik i mean is this from the update? Any new thing in the update you noticed other than this? Samsung should include a changelog after every update. The last update on my grand prime gave made fb as a sydtem app and i didnt have fb installed at that time so it got installed. Why does samsung wants me to keep fb?
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My device performance has increased very much my upgrading it to latest many of the bugs like blackscreen,stuck problem are gone I mean the update is really awesome make my device really good now.
Yea and about the fb I havent got fb as system app but in my brothers j5 prime he got fb app pre installed maybe samsung have some kind of new patnership with facebook or maybe samsung knows that fb has become too much famous.

@Has.007 can u tell me do u got the same feautres in your grand prime after latest update?

can u be more specific.. build date number. or just security patch level in which month ?

@flamurimeri
See these ss below

Owen007 said:
@Has.007 can u tell me do u got the same feautres in your grand prime after latest update?
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No unfortunately we don't even have 5.1.1 so nothing for us. It stays the same always. xD

Has.007 said:
No unfortunately we don't even have 5.1.1 so nothing for us. It stays the same always. xD
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Ok i got ya

Note 8 Oreo

Hey guys thought I could start this any news on Oreo coming to T-Mobile Note 8?? Post all news here thanks guys

I asked tmobile and samsung mobile I was redirected to support page for os Nougat on tmobile website.. Nothing else new.

Samsung announced that the Note 8 will get Oreo, the time line has not been said.

Oreo Beta
https://www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyNote8/comments/7ibsip/android_oreo_ota_this_is_real/

Been running this since yesterday. Only issue I've come across is that I can't allow unknown sources. Other than that it's ok so far. Truly nothing groundbreaking about it compared to the latest official update.
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deh2002 said:
Been running this since yesterday. Only issue I've come across is that I can't allow unknown sources. Other than that it's ok so far. Truly nothing groundbreaking about it compared to the latest official update.
Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk
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Whaaa! That means that pretty soon we'll all be rolling in the bask of Oreo. Can't wait for the official update to roll out. [emoji2]
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I installed the Oreo beta and don't like it. Want to go back to stable. I downloaded the original firmware AQH9 and have tried flashing in ODIN, but am getting a SHA256 failure error...
EDIT: Solved by using newer BQJA firmware to flash back to.

Oreo is running great! I didnt even have to use ODIN. (2) Update.zip(s) and a Factory Reset and i am good to go!
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BQJ1(N) to BQK2(N) Update.zip DOWNLOAD
and then
BQK2 to CQL1(Oreo) Update.zip DOWNLOAD
for T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note8 on BQJ1
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Nitemare3219 said:
I installed the Oreo beta and don't like it. Want to go back to stable. I downloaded the original firmware AQH9 and have tried flashing in ODIN, but am getting a SHA256 failure error...
EDIT: Solved by using newer BQJA firmware to flash back to.
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Yea because AQH9 is on Bootloader 1 and BQJA is on Bootloader 2
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I added links to the update.zip files needed to update your N950U to Oreo

Where did you get BQJA firmaware? I couldnt find it on Sammobile.

daviddem said:
Where did you get BQJA firmaware? I couldnt find it on Sammobile.
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https://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/galaxy-note8/SM-N950U/TMB/

Samsung Connect seems to have a bug and Android webview keeps force closing but Oreo Beta seems pretty cool otherwise..

Nitemare3219 said:
I installed the Oreo beta and don't like it. Want to go back to stable. I downloaded the original firmware AQH9 and have tried flashing in ODIN, but am getting a SHA256 failure error...
EDIT: Solved by using newer BQJA firmware to flash back to.
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What didn't you like about it? I was considering it

Eternalty said:
What didn't you like about it? I was considering it
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Some Substratum theme options weren't yet working. A few random force closes. Security Log agent messages from some apps. Lag in the notification shade when playing Spotify (so possibly any media). It's not like Oreo is a big upgrade, so I'm not in a rush to get it.

Nitemare3219 said:
Some Substratum theme options weren't yet working. A few random force closes. Security Log agent messages from some apps. Lag in the notification shade when playing Spotify (so possibly any media). It's not like Oreo is a big upgrade, so I'm not in a rush to get it.
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I just got this phone two days ago and have been away from the forums for over 2 years. Root is available for BQJA if I read correctly. Is that right? I just want root for substratum. Downloaded it from the Play Store and it's offering me to buy an add on for "supported Samsung"

Eternalty said:
What didn't you like about it? I was considering it
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Eternalty said:
I just got this phone two days ago and have been away from the forums for over 2 years. Root is available for BQJA if I read correctly. Is that right? I just want root for substratum. Downloaded it from the Play Store and it's offering me to buy an add on for "supported Samsung"
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You don't need root for Substratum. The $1.99 add-on does work and is probably required.

deh2002 said:
Been running this since yesterday. Only issue I've come across is that I can't allow unknown sources. Other than that it's ok so far. Truly nothing groundbreaking about it compared to the latest official update.
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You can, but only by using the built in "my files" app.. Also go to settings>apps then tap the dots in the top right and tap special access and look at the bottom of the list. Do you see install unknown apps?

I hope they fix the theming issues, half of the icons get the stupid white border/frame. even when you turn off icon frames its stays. its the biggest reason why I switched back. This Beta is really stale this year. I have it on my s8 to and I'm not really impressed

Deleted, nvm. Lol

AndroidDevices said:
Oreo is running great! I didnt even have to use ODIN. (2) Update.zip(s) and a Factory Reset and i am good to go!
*edit*
BQJ1(N) to BQK2(N) Update.zip DOWNLOAD
and then
BQK2 to CQL1(Oreo) Update.zip DOWNLOAD
for T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note8 on BQJ1
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Yea because AQH9 is on Bootloader 1 and BQJA is on Bootloader 2
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I'm on BQJA. Can I still update with these?
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MicroMod777 said:
I'm on BQJA. Can I still update with these?
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Yes, that is the build that this is for....