Greetings, I'm on a stalemate right now, thinking of buying either LG G2 or S4+ (Snapdragon 800 LTE model).
LG G2 offers image stabilization and a bigger battery while S4 offers replaceable one, SD card slot and more sensors and a bigger screen (kind of) because G2 takes a lot of space just because of the on screen buttons.
And from what I noticed it S4+ looks like a beast in Futuremark and GFX benchmarks, crushing everything.
So I wonder if this improves with LG G2 when you flash a clean rom with a fast kernel?
Could someone do a test? Even with overclocked CPU and GPU?
I want to get best performance possible in games.
Here are the links to GFX benches:
LG G2 Manhattan 8.6 FPS | T-Rex 22.7 FPS
Galaxy S4 4G+ Manhattan 11.3 FPS | T-Rex 27.2 FPS
And in Futuremark's Slingshot benchmark http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/mobile :
Galaxy S4 4G+ - 1286
LG G2 - 1011
LG G4 is now on hands of a fiew reviewer, here's first benchmarks I've found for now!
(French site, at the end of the article, and no it's not good)
http://www.frandroid.com/marques/lg/281610_prise-en-main-du-lg-g4-a-la-recherche-de-la-difference
Benchmarks doesn't bother me. The G3 didn't do to we'll either, and mine is definitely fast enough and are more or less lag free since the lollipop update. Still love the G3 so I'll think I pass this year. But I definitely like the looks of the G4 and I'm really excited to see how much better the screen is and how well the camera will perform in manual mode [emoji106] [emoji2]
Benchmarks won't show the really benefits. The device is really smooth and can open apps as fast as any other flagship. I mean the camera app can open in 0.6 secs and take a phot at the same time. If you do not care about superficial numbers the device won't disappoint as a daily driver.
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The scores aren't surprising. The G4 will have only 2 A57s compared to the S6, and the GPU is noticeably different from the 810. There's also LDDR3 in the G4 while the S6 uses LDDR4 & a very fast eMMc chip.
In normal usage I imagine most won't notice the core count. Because of the G4's high price I hope someone can compare its speed side by side with a zenfone 2 or even another Snapdragon 615/800/805/etc.
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Currently using LG G2 and bit disappointed when I see poorest battery result from G3 so skip and since than waiting for G4, I am Enthusiast photographer and using Nikon D7100 with costliest Sigma £596 for lens only with F1.8 fo it’s very interesting to see how £750 DSLR + £596 lens compared with G4 or P8 LOL, I know that recent techno is not even nearby DSLR quality, I would surely buy if Camera and battery of G4 perform better than Huawei P8, I don't believe or worry much in benchmarks figure as most of them are not noticeable in real life, As I don't play high graphics intense game, I believe LG must have done through test before choosing 808 and if it for better battery life against figures than I prefer Battery life, I am absolutely pleased with performance, Screen quality, Earphone sound of G2 if it would have been released exact thing in recent time I would still prefer to buy, When I see S6 live particularly in gold/silver colour it seems to me as really overdone and cheap design, it remind me things when in 2010-11 when lot of folks specially girls prefer to put shiny and mirror looking screen protector in from of their iPhone so they do makeup on the go, S6 is less than evolution and glass and reflective things is not a big achievement or breakthrough BTW it’s subjective matter and I know more crowd following iPhone/Samsung trend than LG but I don't want to join unwise and hypnotized crowd, I think design wise P8 is better than S6 but still can't decide which one look better P8 or G4?
There is a benchmark video out. The G3 is right next to the G4 while the G4s score wasn't amazingly high it was still a decent score for a flagship and it was leaps and bounds faster than the poor G3. The link is below. Sad fact, it scores better than my G Flex 2. More than likely because of thermal throttling :/
https://youtu.be/QGMeH5jSLo4
Slaughter59 said:
LG G4 is now on hands of a fiew reviewer, here's first benchmarks I've found for now!
(French site, at the end of the article, and no it's not good)
http://www.frandroid.com/marques/lg/281610_prise-en-main-du-lg-g4-a-la-recherche-de-la-difference
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Not good?
I read "First impressions are good, the Korean manufacturer seems to have made the right choices, abandoning the Snapdragon 810 and developing its own photo sensor."
I don't sweet these at all. I want to use it in my hand and see myself as that is more real than anything.
According with Qualcomm:
Adreno 418 (S808): 20% better than 330
Adreno 420 (S805): 40% better than 330
Adreno 430 (S810): 70-80% better than 330
Overall, The S805 is better than S808 in heavy tasks but I understand the 64bit thing marketing. Bad choice by LG going with S808
Slaughter59 said:
LG G4 is now on hands of a fiew reviewer, here's first benchmarks I've found for now!
(French site, at the end of the article, and no it's not good)
http://www.frandroid.com/marques/lg/281610_prise-en-main-du-lg-g4-a-la-recherche-de-la-difference
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Too me, the benchmarks here look fine. If you look at the T-Rex and Manhattan tests for the onscreen (the tests that matter) the G4 is only 6 and 2 fps behind the S6 (the only smartphone with the same resolution)
jeky82 said:
Too me, the benchmarks here look fine. If you look at the T-Rex and Manhattan tests for the onscreen (the tests that matter) the G4 is only 6 and 2 fps behind the S6 (the only smartphone with the same resolution)
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That 6 and 2 fps may translate into bigger differences in real world gaming performance as GFX benchmark is a unrealistically heavy GPU benchmark.
Btw its still a 18% over the adreno 330 in G3 , so if you were fine with G3's performance then G4's graphic performance at least should not be a concern.
i9100g user said:
Btw its still a 18% over the adreno 330 in G3 , so if you were fine with G3's performance then G4's graphic performance at least should not be a concern.
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You just echoed my mind. If I see the G4 that way [compared to G3] the benchmark stuffs should not be much of a headache/nightmare.
onlinejobwork said:
Currently using LG G2 and bit disappointed when I see poorest battery result from G3 so skip and since than waiting for G4, I am Enthusiast photographer and using Nikon D7100 with costliest Sigma £596 for lens only with F1.8 fo it’s very interesting to see how £750 DSLR + £596 lens compared with G4 or P8 LOL, I know that recent techno is not even nearby DSLR quality, I would surely buy if Camera and battery of G4 perform better than Huawei P8, I don't believe or worry much in benchmarks figure as most of them are not noticeable in real life, As I don't play high graphics intense game, I believe LG must have done through test before choosing 808 and if it for better battery life against figures than I prefer Battery life, I am absolutely pleased with performance, Screen quality, Earphone sound of G2 if it would have been released exact thing in recent time I would still prefer to buy, When I see S6 live particularly in gold/silver colour it seems to me as really overdone and cheap design, it remind me things when in 2010-11 when lot of folks specially girls prefer to put shiny and mirror looking screen protector in from of their iPhone so they do makeup on the go, S6 is less than evolution and glass and reflective things is not a big achievement or breakthrough BTW it’s subjective matter and I know more crowd following iPhone/Samsung trend than LG but I don't want to join unwise and hypnotized crowd, I think design wise P8 is better than S6 but still can't decide which one look better P8 or G4?
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Until we have a true lens zoom phone (kind of physically hard to do), I am not a big fan of using phones for main photos. Nothing cracks me up more though than the media or some posters talking about photography and then actually review the digital zoom on phones, which is literally just digital zooming of the original focal point. No different than taking the picture and later post zooming the pictures.
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That 6 and 2 fps may translate into bigger differences in real world gaming performance as GFX benchmark is a unrealistically heavy GPU benchmark.
Btw its still a 18% over the adreno 330 in G3 , so if you were fine with G3's performance then G4's graphic performance at least should not be a concern.
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The gpu in the 801 choked with 1440p and one of the reasons for the heat, judder and battery life impact. The 808's gpu can handle 1440p and is within the mean of it's threshold of performance, but the 801 was at the very top of it's ceiling for 1440p- hence the issues. Well, that and the gosh awful lcd technology used for the the display on the G3. LG took a semi efficient 1080p design and shrunk it to a very inefficient 1440p on the G3.
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Jonfensu said:
According with Qualcomm:
Adreno 418 (S808): 20% better than 330
Adreno 420 (S805): 40% better than 330
Adreno 430 (S810): 70-80% better than 330
Overall, The S805 is better than S808 in heavy tasks but I understand the 64bit thing marketing. Bad choice by LG going with S808
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What else could they do besides wait about six more months? Apple and Samsung have secured most other chipset fab production and the only other option is the second tier chips that are in the cheaper devices. The road map was to use the 810, but the poor thermals with the 810 resulted in going with the 808 (810 light). The other option was go with the 805, but spec chasing will not allow that. The 808 was a compromise, but LG is hoping the design and camera offsets this for the spec and media hounds.
Qualcomm riding shotgun at the LG press event was very telling of the heat the chipset maker is in right now.
Some more bencmarks, in Swedish but just look at the graphs.
http://www.nordichardware.se/Smartp...och-prestandatester-pa-lgs-laedertelefon.html
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Some more bencmarks, in Swedish but just look at the graphs.
http://www.nordichardware.se/Smartp...och-prestandatester-pa-lgs-laedertelefon.html
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Looks better because the HTC one M9 is missing.
BillyxAllen said:
There is a benchmark video out. The G3 is right next to the G4 while the G4s score wasn't amazingly high it was still a decent score for a flagship and it was leaps and bounds faster than the poor G3. The link is below. Sad fact, it scores better than my G Flex 2. More than likely because of thermal throttling :/
https://youtu.be/QGMeH5jSLo4
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Was it just me or did the G4 burn through the benchmark faster than any of the other phones even though it started last? What's with that? Is it a difference in user (interface) difference? Does this translate to a better performing phone overall that cannot be quantified with a benchmark?
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I noticed that and was wondering the same thing tbh
Any significant reason why it finished the test faster? I'm hoping this device will open apps without any lag. That's the main thing I hate. If I open an app I want it to be fast/instant, which is what I'm hoping an optimized android like this will do.
Side question. If I disable two of the A57 cores in an 810 would that solve thermal issues? Wondering if it's worth my time to do
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Any significant reason why it finished the test faster? I'm hoping this device will open apps without any lag. That's the main thing I hate. If I open an app I want it to be fast/instant, which is what I'm hoping an optimized android like this will do.
Side question. If I disable two of the A57 cores in an 810 would that solve thermal issues? Wondering if it's worth my time to do
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In theory it should do.... I suppose there is a kernel in the m9 thread for disabling the cores....
Thanks! . I'll look into it. I have a G Flex 2 though v.v
Hi @all
Firstly: Test Report in German under: http://www.golem.de/news/axon-7-vs-o...-121880-2.html
They compare the OnePlus Three with the Axon 7. Both have a Adreno 530. But in the Icestorm Unlimited Test the Axon has just 28.697. about 1.500 less then the OnePlus.
I can explain this only as a software error
What do you guys think?
I am curious if the devs find something.
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Hi @all
Firstly: Test Report in German under: http://www.golem.de/news/axon-7-vs-o...-121880-2.html
They compare the OnePlus Three with the Axon 7. Both have a Adreno 530. But in the Icestorm Unlimited Test the Axon has just 28.697. about 1.500 less then the OnePlus.
I can explain this only as a software error
What do you guys think?
I am curious if the devs find something.
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Comparing a QHD display with a FHD one, no surprise the score is lower, and there's other unanswered stuff too like, how hot was each device before testing?
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Hi @all
Firstly: Test Report in German under: http://www.golem.de/news/axon-7-vs-o...-121880-2.html
They compare the OnePlus Three with the Axon 7. Both have a Adreno 530. But in the Icestorm Unlimited Test the Axon has just 28.697. about 1.500 less then the OnePlus.
I can explain this only as a software error
What do you guys think?
I am curious if the devs find something.
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You have to compare off screen tests or better they should take pcmark instead and test workflow performance. This way you see near to real world results like when you test and compare only graphic performance. Probably also a pre-production model has been tested and no one knows whether the firmware is already final!
I think the reason is not software related, It's hardware related. The axon 7 has a QHD screen while the Oneplus 3 only had a 1080p screen. The GPU has to work harder in the axon 7 than in the Oneplus 3, thus could attribute to a lower graphical score but 1500 points is very minor. Especially when you consider that you are getting double the pixels and a much clearer and sharper picture.
Between this XA1's Helio P20 vs Samsung's Exynos 7870 (on the new Galaxy A3 2017) which you guys think would provide greater performance overall and leading to better battery life?
And in terms of camera and speakers which one you think is better?
Looking at battery test from GSMarena and Phonearena A3 is better (10 H 8 min vs 8 H 28 min and 93 hours vs 72 hours). But looking at benchmark test XA1 is better in performance. Also it has more RAM and internal memory.
I have started to not trust Sony with their "near stock" Android coz of seemingly eternal issues of overheating, slow camera boot, slow reset, slow app loading and poor battery life.
On the other hand the irony of ironies Samsung which has a skinned/slightly bloated Grace UX seem much more optimised. And yes Ive seen the GSMArena and PhoneArena reviews and battery life seem epic. Camera seem meh/so-so.
Hi all,
At the moment I have Xiaomi mi A2, and I am considering to get the Mi 9T as my new phone.
It would be in my opinion a better value upgrade as I would get NFC, AMOLED screen and all screen experience with the pop out camera.
However I was wondering what is comparable to the Mi 9T Specwise) as I mentioned NFC and AMOLED are a must and a bit smaller size than mi A2.
Pop out camera is not essential but would rather have that than the punch hole( like SG S10 or S10e)
Thanks in advance for comments and/or suggestions
Poco X2? To be fair, depending where you live, you won't get a better value phone than this. Any other phone with this specs would cost 20% to 30% more than the 9t. I purchased the phone 2 weeks ago and I have been loving it ever since. There are a couple of things I miss from my Poco F1, such as the high-end SoC, but the amoled display and the perfectly cut-out display (no holes or notches) make up for it.
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Poco X2? To be fair, depending where you live, you won't get a better value phone than this. Any other phone with this specs would cost 20% to 30% more than the 9t. I purchased the phone 2 weeks ago and I have been loving it ever since. There are a couple of things I miss from my Poco F1, such as the high-end SoC, but the amoled display and the perfectly cut-out display (no holes or notches) make up for it.
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Thanks for your reply. I was actually waiting to see the successor of Poco F1 and I was actually disappointed to see the specs as it has IPS and not AMOLED and no NFC which are a must for me.
Also Poco X2 is bigger than Mi A2 as well as Mi 9t ( I am looking for a smaller size device) I live in Ireland and have an option to go for Samsung S10 or S10e or even the new S20 line up) but as I decided years ago not to buy anything from mobile providers on a contract (contract not being the issue as they give you high end device and you pay it off during your contract).
It is after you have the phone the painful and slow process when you have an issue with your device and have to send it for repair. It's always your fault and not theirs.
For that reason I am always buying phones in a shop or online and not spending more than 300 EUR on it.
CheyTac-12 said:
Poco X2? To be fair, depending where you live, you won't get a better value phone than this. Any other phone with this specs would cost 20% to 30% more than the 9t. I purchased the phone 2 weeks ago and I have been loving it ever since. There are a couple of things I miss from my Poco F1, such as the high-end SoC, but the amoled display and the perfectly cut-out display (no holes or notches) make up for it.
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I actually prefer the midrange Snapdragon 730 above any highend soc because its plenty fast for daily use and very power efficient. This also means the phone doesnt get hot when gaming and therefore doesnt throttle at all ?
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I actually prefer the midrange Snapdragon 730 above any highend soc because its plenty fast for daily use and very power efficient. This also means the phone doesnt get hot when gaming and therefore doesnt throttle at all
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I play PUBG Mobile quite often, and let me tell you, you do miss the high-end SoC. The Adreno 618 can't push 60 fps at full resolution (I'm talking about the GFX tools that modify the game's graphics). My Poco F1 would never ever lag; its gpu is very powerful compared to the Adreno 618. Now, it is true that it doesn't overheat as much and it's more power efficient being a newer SoC. But if raw performance is a must for you, you should look for something with a Snapdragon 845 and above.
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Ellunphant said:
Thanks for your reply. I was actually waiting to see the successor of Poco F1 and I was actually disappointed to see the specs as it has IPS and not AMOLED and no NFC which are a must for me.
Also Poco X2 is bigger than Mi A2 as well as Mi 9t ( I am looking for a smaller size device) I live in Ireland and have an option to go for Samsung S10 or S10e or even the new S20 line up) but as I decided years ago not to buy anything from mobile providers on a contract (contract not being the issue as they give you high end device and you pay it off during your contract).
It is after you have the phone the painful and slow process when you have an issue with your device and have to send it for repair. It's always your fault and not theirs.
For that reason I am always buying phones in a shop or online and not spending more than 300 EUR on it.
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If you want a smaller sized device then you should go for the S10 or S10e. This Mi 9T is not small at all.
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I play PUBG Mobile quite often, and let me tell you, you do miss the high-end SoC. The Adreno 618 can't push 60 fps at full resolution (I'm talking about the GFX tools that modify the game's graphics). My Poco F1 would never ever lag; its gpu is very powerful compared to the Adreno 618. Now, it is true that it doesn't overheat as much and it's more power efficient being a newer SoC. But if raw performance is a must for you, you should look for something with a Snapdragon 845 and above.
Sure the 845 is faster, but actually not that much... Looking at slingshot extreme 3.1 sustained performance the Snapdragon 730 scores about 3000 while the 845 scores about 3500. So when the 845 heats Up the gfx is only 16% faster.
I do not Play pubg on my mi 9t. If the gaming experience really is that much better on 845 im guessing pubg only hits the adreno gpu hard in short bursts -Or maybe pubg just isnt optimized.
People are diffrent and prioritizes diffrently. Personally I would never trade stellar battery life for relatively modest performance gains.
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CheyTac-12 said:
I play PUBG Mobile quite often, and let me tell you, you do miss the high-end SoC. The Adreno 618 can't push 60 fps at full resolution (I'm talking about the GFX tools that modify the game's graphics). My Poco F1 would never ever lag; its gpu is very powerful compared to the Adreno 618. Now, it is true that it doesn't overheat as much and it's more power efficient being a newer SoC. But if raw performance is a must for you, you should look for something with a Snapdragon 845 and above.
Sure the 845 is faster, but actually not that much... Looking at slingshot extreme 3.1 sustained performance the Snapdragon 730 scores about 3000 while the 845 scores about 3500. So when the 845 heats Up the gfx is only 16% faster.
I do not Play pubg on my mi 9t. If the gaming experience really is that much better on 845 im guessing pubg only hits the adreno gpu hard in short bursts -Or maybe pubg just isnt optimized.
People are diffrent and prioritizes diffrently. Personally I would never trade stellar battery life for relatively modest performance gains.
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True. I don't game that much on my phone either, but sometimes I do. Years of being a pc gamer have spoiled me into not accepting anything fewer than 60 fps. Mind you, my Poco F1 was heavily modified. I even deleted the thermal files in vendor/etc so the phone would never throttle, no matter how hot it got. I really hoped there would be not much of a difference between the Adreno 630 and the 618. But there is. More than benchmarks it's the real-life usage and performance in games and apps. I play PUBG in the 9t with the exact same graphic settings from my Poco F1, and, while it sure as heck doesn't heat up as much and doesn't drain the battery as quickly, the Adreno 618 is almost always at 99% usage and maximum mhz (I use DevCheck app to check GPU usage during gaming). Sometimes it dips below 50 fps. What's more, whenever a grenade explodes nearby or you are inside a smoke the game lags as hell. This would never happen on my Poco F1. What's more, I used to brag to my friends about the SD 845 performance by maxing out all the settings in the GFX tool and showing them those graphics. The Poco F1 could sustain 45 to 60 fps with those settings. But my phone would get so stupidly hot that I couldn't play like that for more than 3 minutes (with the thermal files disabled, of course). I tried the same with this phone and well... let's just say that it's not very playable.
Anyhow, you sure are right about the tradeoff between efficiency and raw performance. This is why I have a 9T today.
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CheyTac-12 said:
I play PUBG Mobile quite often, and let me tell you, you do miss the high-end SoC. The Adreno 618 can't push 60 fps at full resolution (I'm talking about the GFX tools that modify the game's graphics). My Poco F1 would never ever lag; its gpu is very powerful compared to the Adreno 618. Now, it is true that it doesn't overheat as much and it's more power efficient being a newer SoC. But if raw performance is a must for you, you should look for something with a Snapdragon 845 and above.
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If you want a smaller sized device then you should go for the S10 or S10e. This Mi 9T is not small at all.
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I was comparing Mi 9T vs Mi A2 and comparing the size looks on tjhe paper that Mi 9T seems to be a tad bit smaller 156.7 x 74.3 x 8.8 mm (6.17 x 2.93 x 0.35 in) vs Mi A2 that I have and it's 158.7 x 75.4 x 7.3 mm.
I know it may not be that different in size and you are right that S10 or S10e are smaller especially S10e, even the normal Note 10 is smaller side by side as I compared those 3 samsung models side by side with my Mi A2, and while the camera setup is brilliant on all 3 the punch hole bugs me someway visually as it is visible on screen(maybe I am weird:cyclops and I am willing to risk that with Mi 9T and get a Gcam on it to get better (in some situations pictures) and It wont burn my pocket as Samsung would (buying direct in a shop not trough provider)
I think the Mi 9T Pro is the best value for money with around $100 over the Mi 9T. The Pro has SD855, but you wouldn't notice the difference in normal use, maybe just in gaming.