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Still the best phone?

So...after 4 months with the Verizon version, I'm making what I call a "lateral"transfer to the LG G2. Specs are becoming moot. The G2 offers a lot, the battery being a big factor.
Did anyone else let go of there Moto X 2014?
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I'll never let go of the Moto X, best phone ever made. I always sell my old devices to pay for my new ones, but that's not gonna happen this time around. This bad boy is going in the museum when I upgrade.

A friend just got the G3 as there was some issue getting the Moto X (corporate account). It's a great phone, but I wasn't a big fan of their software overlays. Plus cell radio quality is a big factor for me and the Moto X has better radio/antenna system. Camera on LG is noticeably better, but still not good enough if it is low light and something I really care about. Nice that it has removable battery and SD card, but have really never needed either.
And I do like the Moto X add ons... if they'd only get 'Attentive Display' working on Lollipop!

I'm finding that the battery isn't holding up long term.I need more. It's great for what it does, but it's a legitimate step back. It's rather disappointing.
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Solutions Etcetera said:
A friend just got the G3 as there was some issue getting the Moto X (corporate account). It's a great phone, but I wasn't a big fan of their software overlays. Plus cell radio quality is a big factor for me and the Moto X has better radio/antenna system. Camera on LG is noticeably better, but still not good enough if it is low light and something I really care about. Nice that it has removable battery and SD card, but have really never needed either.
And I do like the Moto X add ons... if they'd only get 'Attentive Display' working on Lollipop!
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Attentive display seems to be working quite well in the newest lollipop build (5.0.1) that was just released for Telus in Canada.

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Attentive display seems to be working quite well in the newest lollipop build (5.0.1) that was just released for Telus in Canada.
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Good to hear. Hopefully we'll get that in the US soon.

Its the best phone for who dont have an att branded device. I cant unlock it and dont have lollipop.. Next time i will pay more for a pure.

The moto x series is really a breakthrough, this phone is (the) smartphone, I spent an hour or two receiving and responding to messages and calls without touching it not to mention other genius features which are hardware dependent.

Cons: no sd card and no easily removable battery
Pro: everything else
A very nice phone

The battery life is really bad, and has gotten worst. Even with Lollipop, which made it better, I'm not happy. As much as I love the speed of the phone, the battery is killing me hard! The G2 will give me near similar speed with much better battery, not to mention greater storage. This may be on Swappa soon...

I went from a nexus 5 to a G3 to now the moto X² PE and won't give this up unless something crazy comes out or the X³ arrives.
I have not had any battery issues with this phone as I consistently get 4.5 hrs SOT with 12+ hours total. I will say that the camera on the G3 was much better, but the moto X isn't horrible. And the hands free/voice actions with this phone are second to none.
That's just my humble opinion though.

As someone on Verizon, this phone is BY FAR the best available. No bloatware other than AcDisplay and some nice Moto things that make the phone better. Coming from a GS3 and a Galaxy Nexus (switched after my GS3 cracked), this phone is a god when it comes to battery life. I consistently get three, if not four hours of SoT per day. This phone already has lollipop and had it before some Nexus devices got it, and some flagships still don't have it, let alone on Verizon. The only thing not so good is the camera, but it gets the job done fine as long as there's good lighting. If I had the choice (unlocked cell service), I would still choose the OnePlus One, but I didn't have a choice.

MrToxicTaco said:
As someone on Verizon, this phone is BY FAR the best available. No bloatware other than AcDisplay and some nice Moto things that make the phone better. Coming from a GS3 and a Galaxy Nexus (switched after my GS3 cracked), this phone is a god when it comes to battery life. I consistently get three, if not four hours of SoT per day. This phone already has lollipop and had it before some Nexus devices got it, and some flagships still don't have it, let alone on Verizon. The only thing not so good is the camera, but it gets the job done fine as long as there's good lighting. If I had the choice (unlocked cell service), I would still choose the OnePlus One, but I didn't have a choice.
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I'm on Verizon, and you must not have used a G3 or the Turbo at all. The LG skin is light (I come from Samsung) and the Turbo is the X beefed up.
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ChristianPreachr said:
I'm on Verizon, and you must not have used a G3 or the Turbo at all. The LG skin is light (I come from Samsung) and the Turbo is the X beefed up.
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The Turbo looks great on paper, but the actual device is only so-so. I spent a good deal of time with one and walked away unimpressed. The X has FAR better build quality, is as fast if not faster (no QHD screen to waste resources on) and was generally smoother. Sure the turbo has better battery life, but my X easily lasts through the day and then some so it's a non-issue. The G3 is ugly, the skin is still pretty bad, and it is underpowered for the screen it has. Aside from the N5, everything LG puts out is just meh. People need to stop looking at only specs, they don't matter nearly as much as they used to. That said, the X still provides the best user experience out of any phone on the market, and that is what's important.

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The Turbo looks great on paper, but the actual device is only so-so. I spent a good deal of time with one and walked away unimpressed. The X has FAR better build quality, is as fast if not faster (no QHD screen to waste resources on) and was generally smoother. Sure the turbo has better battery life, but my X easily lasts through the day and then some so it's a non-issue. The G3 is ugly, the skin is still pretty bad, and it is underpowered for the screen it has. Aside from the N5, everything LG puts out is just meh. People need to stop looking at only specs, they don't matter nearly as much as they used to. That said, the X still provides the best user experience out of any phone on the market, and that is what's important.
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My feelings exactly. I really, really didn't like how the Turbo was built and even though the G3 build in my opinion is sleek, it's nothing special compared to the X. I've never used either phone as a daily driver, so I may not be the best one to judge it, but the Moto X is blazing fast with "good enough" features that work for me as a user who just wants to get through the day being able to use features like Google Now, something I was never able to keep on with my previous phones. The experience of the X is perfect for an everyday user, like most people are, and in my opinion that's what matters most in a phone. Again, I may have bias as this is my only phone I have been using.

_MetalHead_ said:
The Turbo looks great on paper, but the actual device is only so-so. I spent a good deal of time with one and walked away unimpressed. The X has FAR better build quality, is as fast if not faster (no QHD screen to waste resources on) and was generally smoother. Sure the turbo has better battery life, but my X easily lasts through the day and then some so it's a non-issue. The G3 is ugly, the skin is still pretty bad, and it is underpowered for the screen it has. Aside from the N5, everything LG puts out is just meh. People need to stop looking at only specs, they don't matter nearly as much as they used to. That said, the X still provides the best user experience out of any phone on the market, and that is what's important.
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Well, from the beginning of time until now, numbers haven't lied. That's not up for debate. But with user experience..I have to install nova launcher on the X because stock is lacking. The G2 (which I'm going to) offers equal speed. A smaller os, better battery and excellent build all while being a year older. The X while being customizable is just not enough for a power user.
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ChristianPreachr said:
Well, from the beginning of time until now, numbers haven't lied. That's not up for debate. But with user experience..I have to install nova launcher on the X because stock is lacking. The G2 (which I'm going to) offers equal speed. A smaller os, better battery and excellent build all while being a year older. The X while being customizable is just not enough for a power user.
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I never said numbers lie, but they aren't always representative of the actual experience that the phone provides. If numbers meant everything, than the iPhone would have the worst battery life and performance of any smartphone out there, but that couldn't be farther from the truth. The same applies to the X. While the Turbo has better numbers, the X has the better UX. I don't see how the X isn't enough for a power user, I'm the very definition of a power user and it is pretty much everything I can ask for in a smartphone, with storage being the sole exception. Who cares if you have to put Nova launcher on it? That has no bearing on the quality of the phone itself. At least it doesn't have a nasty UI like the G2 does, even Nova cant save it from LG's hideous software, not to mention the plastic fantastic build. But everybody is entitled to their own opinion. If you think the G2 will serve your needs better, than that's wonderful. For me, the X is where its at.

hello guys ! i wanna upgrade to new device
and i'm confused between nexus 5 and moto x(2014) ?
i personally like pure vanilla aosp and this both have almost same though moto has some modification i don't think it will impact badly on performance ( does it? )
i love N5's fast update smooth performance even with some hardware compromises
but on other has moto x have better SD801 , and GUP freq 578 (vs 450 on N5) { will gaming performance be better ? } which in theory make it batter performance so if any anyone here can tell it's really an upgrade or i won't feel anything better
finally i like amoled but read somewhere that amoled pannel on moto x is worst qauily that samsung can make (really ?!!) , othere thing about camera ppl says it's 13MP is not as good as 8MP of N5 !! ( is it right ? ) and moto don't have notification led & OIS ( while taking pictures only does it matter ? )
so need your view should i go for moto X of stick again with relibale N5 ? will moto x be really upgrade ?
and how's lollipop on moto X ? ( i really like lollipop so hoping bugfree )
it will be really helpful if you can answer red marked questions

jineshpatel30 said:
hello guys ! i wanna upgrade to new device
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and i'm confused between nexus 5 and moto x(2014) ?
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old generation phone vs new one. I really have no doubt which one to buy between 2 candidates.
maybe take a look to lg products or htc but don't make a step into the past.

jineshpatel30 said:
hello guys ! i wanna upgrade to new device
and i'm confused between nexus 5 and moto x(2014) ?
i personally like pure vanilla aosp and this both have almost same though moto has some modification i don't think it will impact badly on performance ( does it? )
i love N5's fast update smooth performance even with some hardware compromises
but on other has moto x have better SD801 , and GUP freq 578 (vs 450 on N5) { will gaming performance be better ? } which in theory make it batter performance so if any anyone here can tell it's really an upgrade or i won't feel anything better
finally i like amoled but read somewhere that amoled pannel on moto x is worst qauily that samsung can make (really ?!!) , othere thing about camera ppl says it's 13MP is not as good as 8MP of N5 !! ( is it right ? ) and moto don't have notification led & OIS ( while taking pictures only does it matter ? )
so need your view should i go for moto X of stick again with relibale N5 ? will moto x be really upgrade ?
and how's lollipop on moto X ? ( i really like lollipop so hoping bugfree )
it will be really helpful if you can answer red marked questions
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I have and use both of those phones regularly and while the N5 is still a beast of a phone, the Moto X is easily the better of the two. The software mods that Motorola has done don't affect performance at all, and actually go a long way to making the Moto X what it is. Moto Display and Moto Voice are game changers. Gaming performance is great on both devices but slightly better on the Moto X. I can't say anything about lollipop because I don't like it at all and am keeping all my devices on KitKat indefinitely. If you get the X, which you should, make sure you buy the Pure Edition or at least one that's not branded by a carrier who doesn't allow bootloader unlocking. You need that unlockable bootloader in order to be able to root the phone.

Give me your input - just ordered one.

So, just ordered one of these in 4.7".
Background:
I have/am used just Motorola phones in the past. Currently, I am using the Moto G 2013 LTE (1st gen). It is the perfect size phone for me. This phone is amazing for my basic needs. Battery life is out of this world. BUT, the 5mp is garbage. If this phone had at least an 8mp camera, I probably wouldn't have been on the search for another phone.
For a short spurt I've also had the 2nd Gen Moto G.
I also have the Moto G 2015 (3rd gen). This phone also has great battery life, camera is great (to me). BUT it's too bulky for me. Thought I could live with it, for the upgraded camera, but kept finding my self putting my sim card in my 1st gen. After my wife seen I set it aside, she snatched it up.
One of the main reasons I've stuck with the Moto Gs are a balance on price, build quality and dependability, easy unlocking and custom recovery, and great custom ROM (Cyanogenmod) support. And if I wanted to stick with stock firmware, Motorola leaves it almost AOSP. And they actually update the firmware...
Like all good things that pass, Motorola decided to follow the trend of big phones, so I don't have an upgrade path with them unless I go big myself.
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/si...,Alcatel-OneTouch-IDOL-3-4.7/phones/8655,9274 (might have to enable the "view layered" option to get a better comparison of size)
I ordered the 4.7" Icon 3 a few hours ago, now wondering if I made the right choice. On paper, its a great upgrade from my first gen, with almost the same size. I've never used an Alcatel, so I question the durability and support of it. Example, am I going to have a cracked screen if the phone slides out of my pocket in my truck and tumbles onto the floor? Is Alcatel even going to bother with updating it to 5.1.1, or 6.0? If not, is there going to be a stable CM12.1 build for it (real important for me)? Not reading any hint on Alcatel updating this phone to any other version (away from the buggy 5.0) is not giving me great feelings about their service. All the great specs and features and perfect size of this device means nothing without support. If you would do it over, is there another device with similar specs and size, with CM development, that you would get? What about one with better build quality?

Well, I had a 4.7" before I ordered the 5.5". I can say that for its size/specs, its a very snappy phone (I would go as far as to say snappier than the 5.5 on stock, because the 5.5 had a ton of issues early on). The dual front facing speakers gave some amazing sound for such a small device, almost on par with the 5.5" model (hard to compare without some sound equipment, though). As for OS updates, there is a rumor that Alcatel is skipping 5.1 and going straight for 6.0, but I've seen no concrete proof of that. As for development, I know there is work being done on CM for the 4.7", but I haven't kept up with it much since getting the 5.5 (gave the 4.7 to the girlfriend). Bottom line is, truthfully, if you want a phone that has great support and constant software updates from the manufacturer, then you've probably got the wrong phone. I will say, though, that I never had a single issue with uhhh, 5.0.2 (I think?). The specs got the work done, that's for sure, and its construction is sturdier than its looks give it credit for.

Moto X Pure: Pretty much a Nexus device?

I got my Moto X Pure a few weeks ago. I've always been a snob for the look and feel of pure AOSP. The first thing I always do when I receive a device is unlock the bootloader and root. I've always used LG devices, so I've always used CM on all my devices and had an AWESOME experience. I'm also a big snob for build quality (ever since my friend let me use his V10 for a week). No LG device desides the V10 could offer me a build quality as fantastic as some of the Motorola devices (especially the X15).
I've also always loved Nexus devices, but never owned one due to the fact they all have LARGE flaws. They're not as perfected as US flagships by any stretch.
So, thinking the X15 would be indifferent with my ROMing habits, I bought one for the build quality and the better resource allocation over LG. The first thing I did was unlock the bootloader and install CM13. I loved CM13 for a few weeks. Then, one day, I decided to try out the Root+Debloated stock ROM (thinking I wouldn't stick with it).
And then... I just kinda stayed there. I never realized how close the Moto stock rom is to pure AOSP. In fact, every extension designed for Pure AOSP works flawlessly on here. Xposed, Layers, and all the root apps work amazing. It's pretty much Pure AOSP with a better ambient display system and optimized for the device, which feels great.
I've been running stock ROM for a week and don't intend on changing. Honestly, I feel like I'm using a Nexus 6P with no fingerprint scanner.
What are your thoughts on this stance? Agree? Disagree? I shouldn't exist?
Let me know

bradym512 said:
I got my Moto X Pure a few weeks ago. I've always been a snob for the look and feel of pure AOSP. The first thing I always do when I receive a device is unlock the bootloader and root. I've always used LG devices, so I've always used CM on all my devices and had an AWESOME experience. I'm also a big snob for build quality (ever since my friend let me use his V10 for a week). No LG device desides the V10 could offer me a build quality as fantastic as some of the Motorola devices (especially the X15).
I've also always loved Nexus devices, but never owned one due to the fact they all have LARGE flaws. They're not as perfected as US flagships by any stretch.
So, thinking the X15 would be indifferent with my ROMing habits, I bought one for the build quality and the better resource allocation over LG. The first thing I did was unlock the bootloader and install CM13. I loved CM13 for a few weeks. Then, one day, I decided to try out the Root+Debloated stock ROM (thinking I wouldn't stick with it).
And then... I just kinda stayed there. I never realized how close the Moto stock rom is to pure AOSP. In fact, every extension designed for Pure AOSP works flawlessly on here. Xposed, Layers, and all the root apps work amazing. It's pretty much Pure AOSP with a better ambient display system and optimized for the device, which feels great.
I've been running stock ROM for a week and don't intend on changing. Honestly, I feel like I'm using a Nexus 6P with no fingerprint scanner.
What are your thoughts on this stance? Agree? Disagree? I shouldn't exist?
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Yep. Nexus with sd card.
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It's basically a Nexus device without timely Android builds, monthly security updates, being developer friendly, and having a superb customer service, all behind a now-crippling company.

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It's basically a Nexus device without timely Android builds, monthly security updates, being developer friendly, and having a superb customer service, all behind a now-crippling company.
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Moto software is great, and the camera is decently sharper. Also slightly cheaper with the 16GB models, and able to compensate with that SD slot. Customization also makes it for a unique phone for those who care about style points. These were a few of the things that made me choose the Moto X over the 6P when I was shopping. But to each their own, I'm glad we have so many options for phones nowadays.

It's all a compromise. A nexus 6p with 64gb costs $549, 128gb costs $649. Moto X 64gb is $442 (lets say $450) on amazon. You get a weaker processor on the X but a memory card slot. Is the additional $100 worth the more timely updates, faster processor and no memory card slot? Only *you* can answer that question.
I can live with a very difficult to remove battery (moto x), but not having expandable storage was the deal breaker.
To the OP, it all depends on what you're looking for.

The comparable Nexus, price wise, is the 5X (in my country anyway) and it doesn't even come close to the Moto X. In many ways, the X is even superior to the 6P (which I was close to buying), with expandable storage, half the price tag, a non-flimsy build (see Huawei), more ergonomic shape, front flash, and so on. Probably the only thing the Nexus line, in general, has in advantage is the timelier updates, which is great for average people who don't mess around with their phone. But being that this is XDA, chances are you are pretty familiar with loading a ROM.
As an example, Google didn't even update the Galaxy Nexus to 4.4, and abandoned it back in 2013. But to this day, it still receives CyanogenMod updates (including the latest security patches), which people can load on if they want, that's the power of not relying on one monolithic company for everything. Not all Nexus devices also have exceptional ROM support either, my Nexus 5 no longer receives CAF builds, Cataclysm was discontinued, and the standard CM13 build is relatively lacklustre.
I had never owned a Moto device before this, instead having a range of devices (more than 20) from nearly all manufacturers (including 3 Nexuses), and I can't really fault the Moto X in the build quality or software department. I find that the stock Moto software itself to be incredibly close to AOSP, probably more so than any manufacturer (including Sony), and despite the relatively small user base, there are a ton of third-party ROMs available, which work quite well. There's definitely appeal there to those who would otherwise pick the Nexus.
So to OP, yes, it's the closest thing to a Nexus, without the drawbacks, that I could find, and I have little to no brand loyalty.

Moto X Style vs. Axon 7 (Europe,Germany)

Hi people, which phone would you prefer in sum (User experience, battery, reception, camera, ROMS etc. )?
I´m running short on time, received the Moto X (Motomaker Edition - no refund possible) as a present today, but also have a sealed Axon at home and refund is running out on Thursday.
I was rootin´ for the Axon bcs thought AMOLED to be more convenient for the eyes @ night !?
Sell the Moto on Ebay or get the refund for the Axon ?
Thanks in advance people!

Both are good and will give you really nice performance. Obviously the Axon is much more premium device. Camera will be better on the Moto X, and software on Moto X is much better than the Axon, but everything else is better on the Axon, thanks to more RAM, better SoC, better speakers and slightly bettery battery. Oh, and the display panel is gorgeous.

I'll start off by saying I love my Axon 7...... It may not seem that way by my replies though?
I had the Moto X Pure (USA Version).... LOVED it! But the battery was smaller than the UK Play version, so I can't answer the battery part (the Moto X Pure had horrible battery, but the fast charging was nice).
Camera - Moto X Pure/Play wins. One of the best Android cameras I've used to date (besides my Samsung S7)
Audio - Axon 7 wins, hands down! While the Moto X Pure/Play isn't too shabby
Rooting - Moto X Pure was simple to unlock the bootloader and install recovery and custom ROMs. I had no audio issues on Android 6.0.1
Custom ROMs - There is a larger selection of ROMs for the Moto X. The A7 only has 2 or 3 custom, all based on stock and the LoS all have audio issues
Reception - My Moto X had the best reception of any phone I've ever owned
Build quality - Axon 7 wins.... My Moto X Pure kept having the speaker grills pop off
Screen - The Moto X has a nice screen, but the A7 isn't too bad. I always set mine to Gorgeous.
Cases - The Moto X has a wider selection of cases available while the A7 only has a hand-full of decent cases.
If you're happy with your Moto X Play.... I'd hang on to it and send back your Axon 7 and wait for the Axon 8 that'll probably come out later this year. They'll have worked out the bugs, but ROOT may still be an issue that takes several months to achieve.
A few things I like and don't like:
- Fingerprint on the Axon 7 is nice to have and you really get used to it
- I miss the "wave" actions on the Moto more than I though I would (where you wave your hand over the screen to show notification)
- Both have issues with finding tempered glass screen protectors as they both have a slightly curved screen
- The Moto is almost "Pure" Android - the Axon 7 has the MiFavor, which is closer to stock than a Samsung or HTC, but annoying enough to use a different launcher (Nova Prime) and hope the get the audio in LoS working so you can get a pure version of Android.
- The UK version of the Axon 7 doesn't seem to get as much love as the USA model.

With Verizon, my battery experience was absolutely horrible until CM14.1 came along. Like, a 6-7% standby battery drain (when there wasn't some battery drain issue) overnight compared to the 1% drop that I see with the Axon. I wasn't that impressed with the screen on time, either. Charging is a world of difference as well. The Moto's turbo charger would get hot and emit coil whine noises. When charging from 0-80% and using the device, I've actually felt it get too hot to comfortably hold. This would also happen to me if I was charging the device in a hot car with the device in direct sunlight. I hope this was just a problem with my device, because it seemed kind of dangerous. The Axon's charging is not only fast (screen on or off), but the phone and charger barely heat up. It's bizarre, really... The display got brighter on the Pure, but loses in every other area (except size) to the Axon. Seeing both devices next to one another, the Pure's display just looks...dull. The performance is night and day. My friend and I bought our XT1575's at the same time. I have since replaced mine with the Axon, but he still has his. I use it now and then when I see him. The UX lag is horrible compared to what I've become accustomed to with the Axon. I still have a great deal of respect for the Pure, but I don't know if I could use it every day knowing about the Axon. I think the speakers on the Pure can get louder than the speakers on the Axon. Louder isn't necessarily better though. I think the speakers on the Axon would win for bass, clarity, and definition. The community support for the Pure is much more extensive than for the Axon. This may change in the future. I'm very pleased with the availability of CM 14.1 for both devices. The bootloader unlock process for the Axon is relatively straightforward...I was able to fix the audio issue on Nougat (distortion at high volumes) with root and Viper.
In my opinion, the Pure's biggest weakness was that it only had 2.5 GB of RAM available to the system. Every time I would look, the device would be starving for RAM. I have included a screenshot showing my running services. As you can see, my device is taking up 2.5> GB of RAM at idle! I guess it really depends on what you want from the device. Official Nougat for the Pure has been pushed back to a May, so that might be another strike against it. At the end of the day, you'd be hard pressed to go wrong with either, but I'd go for the Axon every time.

Thanks for the detailed response.
You guys all seem to praise the US Devices and Support.
How about the Devices that are sold in Germany ?
What would be the best adress to get US Devices and import them to Germany ?
Don´t get me wrong, myself being a former HTC HD2 Lover,
but recently I also get along without using Custom Rom Thingies too (mainly due to lack of time )
Simply using Arrow Launcher, which looks quite a lot like the new Huawei App Drawer ( Don´t know who stole it from the other), works fine for me .
So you guys know some K.O. Points for the Axon 7 European Version , except the reduced max volume due to european law ?
And what about these rumours that the Axon´s 3 Year VIP Guarantee only counts for US and China ?
Dammit , I see myself ending up with both devices, selling Moto would mean multiple 100 € loss, but when using it, it will be damn hard to not keep thinking ´bout the Axon

MasteroftheUniverse said:
Thanks for the detailed response.
You guys all seem to praise the US Devices and Support.
How about the Devices that are sold in Germany ?
What would be the best adress to get US Devices and import them to Germany ?
Don´t get me wrong, myself being a former HTC HD2 Lover,
but recently I also get along without using Custom Rom Thingies too (mainly due to lack of time )
Simply using Arrow Launcher, which looks quite a lot like the new Huawei App Drawer ( Don´t know who stole it from the other), works fine for me .
So you guys know some K.O. Points for the Axon 7 European Version , except the reduced max volume due to european law ?
And what about these rumours that the Axon´s 3 Year VIP Guarantee only counts for US and China ?
Dammit , I see myself ending up with both devices, selling Moto would mean multiple 100 € loss, but when using it, it will be damn hard to not keep thinking ´bout the Axon
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Why not an OnePlus 3?
I was in the same boat, Style vs Axon 7 and I chose the Axon. Better build quality, better screen, better hardware specs and not that big of a price difference.
But since you already have one, I'd stick with it for a while and see what the future brings us (snapdragon 835).

Yeah you made a point there, but do you think in the next months there will be new interesting devices in the same price range ?
i don´t want to pay 600€ + for a smartphone when it still has major flaws.
As far as i know Snappy 835 is exclusive for Samsung, which is no more an option for me ..
Axon may drop to around 250€ in the next months
Has anybody experience with the Axon´s VIP Guarantee ?
What is the Best Shop to import an US Axon to Germany right now ?
Or shall I sell both , Moto X and Axon, and stay another year with my slowly dying Lumia 950 XL -.-

Dies the battery of the Moto X Pure improve from Android 5to 6 to 7 ?

Reasons for little Rom Development?

I'm about to buy a gently used Moto X Pure from Swappa and came here to see what's available as far as cistom roms. I'm kinda surprised by how little development is happening and was wondering if there is a particular reason. I broke my Moto G4 a week ago and its got quite a few Oreo Roms already. I'm not complaining just curious. There are a lot of roms I will miss but if there's no big obstacles in my way I may just try building my first rom here. I'm really excited for the Moto X Pure.

Let's see it was never a flagship. It is over 2 years old...I could go on..

autosurgeon said:
Let's see it was never a flagship. It is over 2 years old...I could go on..
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Yeah youre probably right. Oh well no biggie. As long as it isnt a situation like Loki on some LG phones.

DerrickTight said:
Yeah youre probably right. Oh well no biggie. As long as it isnt a situation like Loki on some LG phones.
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Another reason I've realized that has not been mentioned, but even in the past as a newer device there wasn't as much development goin on as other premium devices. That reason is that when the Moto x pure was released, it was very optimized and a very stock Google Android device with a few extras from Moto that really enhanced the user experience. In other words it was a device that has no need for custom roms! And in my opinion with that being said and little things like stereo front facing speakers, was in the top 3 devices of that year! And still to this day after using the Moto z, and some other mid range Samsung devices, the pure still Rock's the house lol

Optimusman said:
Another reason I've realized that has not been mentioned, but even in the past as a newer device there wasn't as much development goin on as other premium devices. That reason is that when the Moto x pure was released, it was very optimized and a very stock Google Android device with a few extras from Moto that really enhanced the user experience. In other words it was a device that has no need for custom roms! And in my opinion with that being said and little things like stereo front facing speakers, was in the top 3 devices of that year! And still to this day after using the Moto z, and some other mid range Samsung devices, the pure still Rock's the house lol
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Yeah I'm really excited about getting one. Since my Moto G4 broke I've been using my old Nexus 5 and havent had much luck breaking the chop chop habit. I have a 8 month old baby and its been insanely useful. Looking forward to the dual speakers too. Also excited to see one of my favorite roms Validus Oreo from GRZ being developed here for Moto X Pure.

It's 2018. But Moto X Pure still impress me everyday despite so many flagships out there.
1. The chop chop and twist twist gestures
2. The Stock Android with Moto experiences
3. The dual Stereo speaker
4. The great LCD (it's really good imo)
5. The phone design with curved back that fits nicely on hand, build quality and that unique Moto dimple design.
I'n still looking forward for future OREO or newer version of Android being developed for Moto X Pure (Style).

justmoto92 said:
It's 2018. But Moto X Pure still impress me everyday despite so many flagships out there.
1. The chop chop and twist twist gestures
2. The Stock Android with Moto experiences
3. The dual Stereo speaker
4. The great LCD (it's really good imo)
5. The phone design with curved back that fits nicely on hand, build quality and that unique Moto dimple design.
I'n still looking forward for future OREO or newer version of Android being developed for Moto X Pure (Style).
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I'm completely with you, I did alot of research on Moto X Pure and have had a ton of phones over the years. In my head, I see myself being very satified with it. Nexus 6 was one of my favorites (except I didnt like the amoled screen and the huge size) and this phone reminds me what was good about it but without the stuff I didnt. Plus, since coming from a Moto G4, I found those exclusive Moto features very useful and handy. Also having the FM radio built in has been nice in certain circumstances.

justmoto92 said:
It's 2018. But Moto X Pure still impress me everyday despite so many flagships out there.
1. The chop chop and twist twist gestures
2. The Stock Android with Moto experiences
3. The dual Stereo speaker
4. The great LCD (it's really good imo)
5. The phone design with curved back that fits nicely on hand, build quality and that unique Moto dimple design.
I'n still looking forward for future OREO or newer version of Android being developed for Moto X Pure (Style).
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Totally man it is 2018, and it's an older phone but the only thing that separates it from newer flagships is the battery, and the chipset! Yet I've always thought due to Moto's optimized software it offset any issues with the snapdragon808. That it performed with other 808's and even phones with the Snapdragon 810! The screen to buddy ratio is even today good, and then it was great! I was also happy to hear somebody give props to the ips lcd screen! I believe it's just as good as any AMOLED screen I've seen! And is way better in direct sunlight! I honestly have to say my favorite phone!!!

@Optimusman
Chipset wise, nothing much you can do unless with third party custom ROM optimisation. Whereas for battery, you can replace it by buying it from online, and you will be back to the "new phone" days. Cuz' thats what I did to my X Pure battery
Talking about screen to body ratio, before the bezeless phone became trendy, Motorola started it first with the old RAZR M Phone. And not forgetting that Moto X's front is symmetrical and proportional from top to bottom. And most of the time, I would rather stick with Moto X Pure LCD screen cuz' of natural colors and the screen brightness. It's really bright and comfortable to look at!
Did I mention that, with all these great stuffs, yet Motorola sold it at an affordable price, not those overpriced pricing!

justmoto92 said:
@Optimusman
Chipset wise, nothing much you can do unless with third party custom ROM optimisation. Whereas for battery, you can replace it by buying it from online, and you will be back to the "new phone" days. Cuz' thats what I did to my X Pure battery
Talking about screen to body ratio, before the bezeless phone became trendy, Motorola started it first with the old RAZR M Phone. And not forgetting that Moto X's front is symmetrical and proportional from top to bottom. And most of the time, I would rather stick with Moto X Pure LCD screen cuz' of natural colors and the screen brightness. It's really bright and comfortable to look at!
Did I mention that, with all these great stuffs, yet Motorola sold it at an affordable price, not those overpriced pricing!
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At what levels do you guys primarily keep your screen brightness set at? When I was on the Moto G4 I kept my screen set at about 50% brightness cause I was mainly indoors and full brightness was overkill.

DerrickTight said:
At what levels do you guys primarily keep your screen brightness set at? When I was on the Moto G4 I kept my screen set at about 50% brightness cause I was mainly indoors and full brightness was overkill.
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30% or lesser for indoor (day). Because of the battery life.
0% for indoor (night) with bluelight filter.
50%-70% outdoor (under the sun) - usually will keep on adjusting to prevent from wasting the battery juice.

Brightness
I like to get get the most out of my battery, and truthfully this screen is bright as hell lol! So I usually have mine at 30-35%, and in the dark like 5-10%lol
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autosurgeon said:
Let's see it was never a flagship. It is over 2 years old...I could go on..
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I disagree with you on that one friend! It was Motorola's flagship device. The screen was flagship the processor although not the top dog was still Snapdragon 8** series, dual SIM, dual front firing speakers, 21mp camera etc. The list goes on lol the Moto x pure edition was a flagship device

Optimusman said:
I like to get get the most out of my battery, and truthfully this screen is bright as hell lol! So I usually have mine at 30-35%, and in the dark like 5-10%lol
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I disagree with you on that one friend! It was Motorola's flagship device. The screen was flagship the processor although not the top dog was still Snapdragon 8** series, dual SIM, dual front firing speakers, 21mp camera etc. The list goes on lol the Moto x pure edition was a flagship device
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Yeah! It was Motorola's flagship at that point of time. Moto X Pure edition was supposed to be using Snapdragon 810 processor. But... because of the heating issue, Motorola had no choice, so they had to use the Snapdragon 808 instead.
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DerrickTight said:
I'm about to buy a gently used Moto X Pure from Swappa and came here to see what's available as far as cistom roms. I'm kinda surprised by how little development is happening and was wondering if there is a particular reason. I broke my Moto G4 a week ago and its got quite a few Oreo Roms already. I'm not complaining just curious. There are a lot of roms I will miss but if there's no big obstacles in my way I may just try building my first rom here. I'm really excited for the Moto X Pure.
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@DerrickTight Hey, saw you mentioning on your first post, that you might be trying to build your first ROM? Any chance you might start doing it?

justmoto92 said:
Yeah! It was Motorola's flagship at that point of time. Moto X Pure edition was supposed to be using Snapdragon 810 processor. But... because of the heating issue, Motorola had no choice, so they had to use the Snapdragon 808 instead.
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@DerrickTight Hey, saw you mentioning on your first post, that you might be trying to build your first ROM? Any chance you might start doing it?
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I'm heavily considering it but I have a lot of obligations so it wouldnt be something to hold your breathe for. Its something that requires alot of time and patience. Thats why I always say donate to your devs. It isnt easy. Time will tell though, I could use another hobby. Might make something just for me, who knows.

I'm with the No Need to crowd. I am rooted with Magisk and TWRPed. I always ROMed my phones to ditch the factory UI, overhead, and bloat. Other than GravityBox I am all stock. Plus it was cheap.

Why is there not more ROM development? Guess that question confuses me... there are lots of ROMs (and many not on XDA, some would argue the best ones are not here)
The question should be, why is there not NEW/CONTINUED ROM development? Because this device is pushing 2.5 years old, and it is not holding up well and many people are abandoning it. The battery life is pitiful, and the battery longevity is worse, and on top of that there is no good source for "new" batteries... Not to mention that replacing the battery often required more technical expertise than many users have, and they need more parts than they expect since replacing the battery often destroys the back of the phone and requires a new one as well.
For $200-$300 you can get a new device with 3-4 times the battery life, similar processing power, and a reasonable display and camera... It is easy to see why people have been flocking away from this device for a while now. Developers have a hard time supporting a device that doesn't have consistent user base, and with Nougat, Oreo, and newer Android OS's, it is getting more and more difficult to maintain as a developer.
Your "old" Moto G4 was actually newer than the Moto X Pure/Style by a full year, so it would still see development and has a fairly active user base, phones typically have a "development life" of around 2-2.5 years for custom ROMs, people just leave the device for something newer and developers move on. Plus I would bet the Moto G4 sold at least 10 times as many units as the Moto X Pure/Style. Honestly the Moto X Pure/Style bombed (sales wise) and sold only a fraction of the number of units Moto hoped for, which probably accounts for why there was no Moto X "2016" model while Moto scrapped the old X line and gave us the new X4 last year, which is a decent phone, but in my mind is no replacement worthy of the X line.
Don't get me wrong, it is (was) a great phone... I loved mine, the only real problem was the battery life and the heat throttling, and I couldn't be tethered to a charger 2-4 times every day.

schneid said:
I'm with the No Need to crowd. I am rooted with Magisk and TWRPed. I always ROMed my phones to ditch the factory UI, overhead, and bloat. Other than GravityBox I am all stock. Plus it was cheap.
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The main reason I have rooted and rom'd is for customization. I have a large collection of paid Sub themes too. I've been ad free for over 7 years and I wont go back to the ads experience.

acejavelin said:
Why is there not more ROM development? Guess that question confuses me... there are lots of ROMs (and many not on XDA, some would argue the best ones are not here)
The question should be, why is there not NEW/CONTINUED ROM development? Because this device is pushing 2.5 years old, and it is not holding up well and many people are abandoning it. The battery life is pitiful, and the battery longevity is worse, and on top of that there is no good source for "new" batteries... Not to mention that replacing the battery often required more technical expertise than many users have, and they need more parts than they expect since replacing the battery often destroys the back of the phone and requires a new one as well.
For $200-$300 you can get a new device with 3-4 times the battery life, similar processing power, and a reasonable display and camera... It is easy to see why people have been flocking away from this device for a while now. Developers have a hard time supporting a device that doesn't have consistent user base, and with Nougat, Oreo, and newer Android OS's, it is getting more and more difficult to maintain as a developer.
Your "old" Moto G4 was actually newer than the Moto X Pure/Style by a full year, so it would still see development and has a fairly active user base, phones typically have a "development life" of around 2-2.5 years for custom ROMs, people just leave the device for something newer and developers move on. Plus I would bet the Moto G4 sold at least 10 times as many units as the Moto X Pure/Style. Honestly the Moto X Pure/Style bombed (sales wise) and sold only a fraction of the number of units Moto hoped for, which probably accounts for why there was no Moto X "2016" model while Moto scrapped the old X line and gave us the new X4 last year, which is a decent phone, but in my mind is no replacement worthy of the X line.
Don't get me wrong, it is (was) a great phone... I loved mine, the only real problem was the battery life and the heat throttling, and I couldn't be tethered to a charger 2-4 times every day.
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Would you happen to remember off hand where it was that you may have seen other builds? You could PM me as to not post to links of outside competitors. I have google searched with little hits, but I know alot of Moto G4 roms were posted directly on specific peoples Google Plus.

DerrickTight said:
Would you happen to remember off hand where it was that you may have seen other builds? You could PM me as to not post to links of outside competitors. I have google searched with little hits, but I know alot of Moto G4 roms were posted directly on specific peoples Google Plus.
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Simple Google search will suffice... Dirty Unicorns, Zypher OS and BrokenOS come to mind just off the top of my head. There is a thread here somewhere listing "off-XDA" ROMs.

acejavelin said:
Simple Google search will suffice... Dirty Unicorns, Zypher OS and BrokenOS come to mind just off the top of my head. There is a thread here somewhere listing "off-XDA" ROMs.
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I have been searching awhile, so is it true that beside XDA forum there are still other website that post custom ROM ?