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http://www.fudzilla.com/mobiles/mobiles/htc-hd3-out-in-9-days
That is a pretty bad 'article'.
The 'reporter' has worded it such that the reader has no idea which specs are for which device they mention.
Their 'sauce' [sic] mentions AMOLED displays, which in the current market, are a pain to get hold of, and HTC have already mentioned getting different types of screen (such as the Sony one a commenter has said) rather than use the AMOLED.
Well it's coming out anyway in the near future shame I still got another year on my contract.. The specs that have been mentioned seem very impressive I'm not sure about an even slighlty bigger screen it's big enough ain't it?
I bet my life that thats fake.
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http://www.fudzilla.com/mobiles/mobiles/htc-hd3-out-in-9-days
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From what little evidence there is out there - at least from what little can be treated as in any way reliable - 15th September MAY be the day of the official announcement, with the actual device available some time thereafter.
One 'sauce' reckons an O2 spreadsheet shows it being available from mid-October.
Being little more than a month away from release - perhaps - I might have thought there would be more noise about WPS7, or am I just missing it? If locked down like the bright boys say it will be, WPS7 may be a killer - nice device or not. Backward compatability with WM6.5 anyone?
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From what little evidence there is out there - at least from what little can be treated as in any way reliable - 15th September MAY be the day of the official announcement, with the actual device available some time thereafter.
One 'sauce' reckons an O2 spreadsheet shows it being available from mid-October.
Being little more than a month away from release - perhaps - I might have thought there would be more noise about WPS7, or am I just missing it? If locked down like the bright boys say it will be, WPS7 may be a killer - nice device or not. Backward compatability with WM6.5 anyone?
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I'm still in two minds about WPS7. I'm awaiting a play with one before a verdict
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http://www.fudzilla.com/mobiles/mobiles/htc-hd3-out-in-9-days
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I'm really not worried about the launch on the HD3 to be honest. It's likely to have initial problems and updates will inevitable. I'll hang on for the length of my contract and get one when it's up? I'm sure some clever cooks gonna run the os on an HD2 anywez?
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From what little evidence there is out there - at least from what little can be treated as in any way reliable - 15th September MAY be the day of the official announcement, with the actual device available some time thereafter.
One 'sauce' reckons an O2 spreadsheet shows it being available from mid-October.
Being little more than a month away from release - perhaps - I might have thought there would be more noise about WPS7, or am I just missing it? If locked down like the bright boys say it will be, WPS7 may be a killer - nice device or not. Backward compatability with WM6.5 anyone?
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o2 sais that the hd2 was going to be mid oct last year, ended up being nearly end of novemeber so id take that with a very large pinch of salt
"according to our source from the queen vic pub" - lool. I call bull**** on this article
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"according to our source from the queen vic pub" - lool. I call bull**** on this article
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+1 I call shenanigans
Very Interesting, but a big but....
Looking at another article the specs seem resonable, except I do not believe the dual core bit (Two major steps in one phone?)
Otherwise it looks like a phine with peppersauce and a cream-vanillasauce on top to soften things.
I am worried about stability and performance (New OS, Bigger screen [375 Kpix vs 1000 Kpix], probably - as HTC-usual- no good graphic drivers, Dual-core?)
If as usual the graphics drivers suck again, screen will be slower as on HD, as there are almost 3 times the amount of pixels to manipulate while the proc only delivers about 1.4 times HD2 capacity.
Stability will be an issue as combining new Operating system, new techniques and new processors, probably new gui over WP7 rarely integrate without major issues.
Glad I just hava a proven good phone, I will let the new techniques cristallize to stability before I will buy one.
Fake Fake and Fake
All we have to do is wait and see for it to come out, just appreciate what u've got for now!
I think this is too good to be true. Just me.
I'm going to take a punt and offer an opinion - nothing more.
I think the announcement date is probably genuine - the timing feels about right - and I suspect that the specs aren't too far off the mark, although I certainly wouldn't treat them as gospel.
The timing of RTM is much trickier and may be the alarm bell that should convince me that this is fake. If it is to be a WPS7 device, an October release is rather early given that MS seem to be suggesting availability of WPS7 from December...last I looked anyway.
So I think there is a germ of truth submerged in a moderate quantity of bull excreta. Happy to be proved wrong either way though!
Wouldnt it make alot more business sence to drum up interest and market the phone pre-releases?
THis is not going to be released in such a short time frame just like hd2 release drag it out and you get more ppl interested
Feck off (and i have to write this to bulk up my reply)
Wp7 doesn't support this resolution
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You do realize that the way the OP titled the thread the release will always be nine days away don't you?
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You do realize that the way the OP titled the thread the release will always be nine days away don't you?
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unless they plan on editing it and counting down.........
by the time its released we'll be at about -34 days.............
We were expecting some news out Archos this month and sure enough, here it is. The company has just announced that it will unveil its new Generation 9 Honeycomb tablets at a Paris event, on June 23rd. The company's third Android slate, as you may recall, was originally expected to launch at September's IFA trade show, but that date was later pushed up --meaning we'll be able to catch a glimpse of its shiny 1.6GHz ARM A9 dual-core chip and so-called "revolutionary" 3G modem in just a few weeks. Archos certainly seems to have high expectations for the device, as well, having scheduled its debut at no less a prestigious venue than the Ritz Hotel. We'll be there (in our finest threads) to cover the event as it unfolds. [Thanks, Marien] Source : ArchosLounge.net
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...-tablet/&category=classic&icid=eng_latest_art
Wish I was there! It looks promising...
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Wish I was there! It looks promising...
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Cajl, owner and autor of jbmm, live near paris and he will be there filming the event
He even suggested he could make a live stream over the net
I'm confused, are these gonna be Windows 7 tablets or Android? I hope they're not Windows. Windows 8 looks awesome, but the current version could never be tablet friendly.
The whole Gen9 lineup should be Android-based.
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The whole Gen9 lineup should be Android-based.
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Not should... they will be
Even on their flyer, there are the Android Man , The Honeycomb Bee and the Androir Market bag
see that
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1104592
another source !
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see that
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1104592
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Hey cajl,
Do you stream it live now?
Thhat would be greeaat If yes, where will you stream it?
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Not should... they will be
Even on their flyer, there are the Android Man , The Honeycomb Bee and the Androir Market bag
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A picture doesn't prove that they will ALL be Android-based. They could release anything they want without giving notice to anyone.
If they only release the five or six models, then chances are they will all be Android-based. They might come out with an ereader or something though that doesn't run Android, you never know.
Unless you work for them and have inside information that nobody else has, don't assume that everything will be as we like to think it will be.
Here is a list of smartwatches from SHENZHEN HOP INDUSTRIALCO.,LTD. It contains four Android based smartwatches (EC308, EC309, EC408 and EC409).
Google Docs does not format correctly so download for proper viewing.
I will let you know now that Orsto were trying to pass off the Dynamic (EC309) and Bliss (EC316) models as their own on a crowdfunding site. They are still trying to pass off the Bliss (EC316) as an Orsto product.
*I am not trying to sell any of these devices. This is the only full catalog I have for Hopu devices and posted it for reference purposes only.
Thats the one thing I don't like about crowd funding sites; too easy for some scammer to pass off these wholesale products as their own.
Here is the "A.I Smartwatch," aka the Ec308/309. Whats funny is their marketing images don't even consistently show the same watch
Is it just me, or don't these things look pretty hideous?
Ripping off windows mobile start screens, with a generous dose of kitsch added? The watch faces look particularly scary. I guess there isn't going to be an Omate style stretch goal face off, lol.
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I will let you know now that Orsto were trying to pass off the Dynamic (EC309) and Bliss (EC316) models as their own on a crowdfunding site. They are still trying to pass off the Bliss (EC316) as an Orsto product.
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I don't even see Orsto X1 on IGG anymore. Was it even fully or partially funded?
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Thats the one thing I don't like about crowd funding sites; too easy for some scammer to pass off these wholesale products as their own.
Here is the "A.I Smartwatch," aka the Ec308/309. Whats funny is their marketing images don't even consistently show the same watch
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I publicly posted on their FB page that it is an EC308/309. Also posted that it doesn't come with official Play Store support as the "inventor" claims.
UPDATE- AI Watch just deleted my comment and locked their FB post. Truth hurts
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Is it just me, or don't these things look pretty hideous?
Ripping off windows mobile start screens, with a generous dose of kitsch added? The watch faces look particularly scary. I guess there isn't going to be an Omate style stretch goal face off, lol.
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It's a WP launcher.
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I don't even see Orsto X1 on IGG anymore. Was it even fully or partially funded?
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They got pulled from IGG. That's why Orsto is over on another crowdfunding site claiming another smartwatch as theirs.
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...They got pulled from IGG. That's why Orsto is over on another crowdfunding site claiming another smartwatch as theirs.
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Since they weren't on KS or IGG, which site are they on? But either way, what a scam! Hopefully by now consumers are more educated about smartwatches and these crooks will never get fully funded. Only those with true innovation get word of mouth which drives success of crowdfunding.
Thanks for that pdf info. For sure EC308/309 and EC408/409 looks interesting. What I noticed is their x09 versions add an option for tri-band WCDMA. I tried googling the subject and majority of answers point to not compatible with Verizon. Most likely its a same chipset as used by Omate. Kind of sad that I'm stuck with Verizon...
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Thats the one thing I don't like about crowd funding sites; too easy for some scammer to pass off these wholesale products as their own.
Here is the "A.I Smartwatch," aka the Ec308/309. Whats funny is their marketing images don't even consistently show the same watch
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Btw, the guy behind AI Swartwatch campaign is starting to spam forums with "hey, look at this cool new smartphone". Already been spotted on AndroidForums where his post got deleted and he was banned. I would not be surprised if he is going to show up on XDA lol!!!
Looks like he some how got a story on Engaget. Guessing one or two of you guys are on there. http://www.engadget.com/2013/09/29/ai-android-smartwatch-indiegogo/ He's trying to claim he is using the EC309 as a shell/prototype.
I already bought this smartwatch here http://www.watchmobilephone.com/vapirius_ax2.htm as a Vapirius AX2. It's not bad but it is missing a menu button pretty badly. There is some kind of soft menu button in the notification area but it is a gimmick...
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He's trying to claim he is using the EC309 as a shell/prototype.
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Not according to my conversation with him. "the hardware are not close to the Ec309"
He also seems to be of the opinion that a custom ROM makes it a completely different device.
To add even more to the mix regarding the A.I. Watch, almost all the photos of models wearing it are shopped. http://imgur.com/a/P5aIE
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lol, thanks for the morning laugh.
I'm just here to say I just backed a new smartwatched called 'AI'... Haha just kidding, I actually pre-ordered the Neptune Pine.
Seriously though, with all the scamming surrounding smartwatches. I'm actually glad I held back from backing Omate. Sad but true. I haven't seen them immerse the omate in water. I haven't even seen them demonstrate "the running of various apps" to determine whether their claim that 90% of the play store actually worked with their device. I have the motoactv for reference, but even this device has flaws running certain apps, especially bluetooth related ones. In certain apps you can't see everything because of screen size, others simply wont run and force closes etc etc. Needless to say, i still love my motoactv.
Omate has shown a working prototype and has even done live interviews (cnbc), but I remain skeptical. Where is the hole for the microphone and speaker located? How well can the other person hear you? For reference, I know Omate did a demo of a phone call, but within the demo you could actually hear the caller nearby if you listen closely. I have faith in omate, but i cant say i have strong faith. I won't be surprised if the product releases later than expected. And if it doesn't release at all, I won't be surprised, but i hope that it actually gets released so i could get my grubby hands on this awesome concept of a product.
@savaged: Wait, with all the info and discussions about Omate vs Neptune Pine, you suggesting Omate is scamming us and thus you decided to fund Pine?!? Honestly, this is the first one I heard so far on XDA or anywhere else... Unless you pulling our legs, Good luck!
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@savaged: Wait, with all the info and discussions about Omate vs Neptune Pine, you suggesting Omate is scamming us and thus you decided to fund Pine?!? Honestly, this is the first one I heard so far on XDA or anywhere else... Unless you pulling our legs, Good luck!
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lol no, I'm not funding Neptune Pine, it was a joke. After observing the Omate discussions, I realize that Neptune Pine is highly likely to be vaporware. And well, from the looks of it, Omate isn't scamming anyone. I'm just a bit disappointed with them. They aren't showing off their goods properly. It leaves a lot of room for skepticism. Just like everyone else, I'm pretty anxious to see it.
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Not according to my conversation with him. "the hardware are not close to the Ec309"
He also seems to be of the opinion that a custom ROM makes it a completely different device.
To add even more to the mix regarding the A.I. Watch, almost all the photos of models wearing it are shopped. http://imgur.com/a/P5aIE
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that link sends me to a empty gallery :S I'm a little worried as I pre ordered the base model off their campain then realised it is a watch i'd seen before on watchmobile the ax2 >.< so I dont know what to do now.
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that link sends me to a empty gallery :S I'm a little worried as I pre ordered the base model off their campain then realised it is a watch i'd seen before on watchmobile the ax2 >.< so I dont know what to do now.
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Did you preorder via the website or pledge on Indiegogo? If you pledged on Indiegogo you can always cancel your pledge. As far as the images, here is a direct link to one of the original images.
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Did you preorder via the website or pledge on Indiegogo? If you pledged on Indiegogo you can always cancel your pledge. As far as the images, here is a direct link to one of the original images.
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Wow that is hilarious! Didn't see that original picture before!
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Wow that is hilarious! Didn't see that original picture before!
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Almost all his stills on the main campaign page are shopped. :laugh:
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Did you preorder via the website or pledge on Indiegogo? If you pledged on Indiegogo you can always cancel your pledge. As far as the images, here is a direct link to one of the original images.
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I pre ordered on indiegogo I didnt know they have a site? Also how would I get a refund on indiegogo? it charged my card as soon as I pre ordered.
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I did a hands-on (in german) of the EC308 or Vapirius AX2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SzbaRG8wslM&feature=c4-overview&list=UUjLvP7zL2M8-9AtRtQ4gUCw
If fact, a good SmartWatch. BUT the inpout is horrible. Using Fleksy-Keyboard is better, but does not work if you rae using german language
Will do a longer review soon.
I'd like to ask, does anyone have any info about the Hopu EC408/EC409 models? Do they really ship (or - from where - I only found something on alibaba.com with not much info to it -> anyone have any experience there?). I'm quite surprised that there is no review/no youtube demonstration of them etc. I've been looking into 'smart watch phones' for quite some time and these look the best for me - especially I like the fact that it can be detached from the strap (or so it seems from images) - unlike devices like O. Truesmart / Callisto 100... which have antennas in their straps.
So, pls, does anyone know something more to these 'watches'? (or do you know about sth. similar to them?)
(Maybe, is there some list of watches like this? I wrote down a few for my future reference:
with 2G/3G functionality:
omate truesmart
Iconbit Callisto 100
xTouch Wave
burg 17
zgpax S5
Hopu EC409
sWaP (Hopu?) EC308/EC309
A.I. Watch
Exetech XS-3
Pearl Simvalley AW-414/AW-420/AW-421
without sim slot:
galaxy gear
motorola motoactv
sony smartwatch 2
smartQ Z Watch
I'm watch
geak watch
uplay z3
There is a project to build a dual-boot version of Android (currently in Kickstarter) which is planned to be release on all the major Windows Tablets. It look interesting, i just wish they had a working beta.
Looking at the video its just Android X86 and a demo/benchmark running on the back.
Typical KS vaporware, and the guy plans to charge you every year to use what's basically a repackaged OS made by the community.
Totally not a scam...
Yeah, making a free OS into a dual-boot paid OS is a non-starter, excuse the pun. The KS video pitch took about 30secs to trigger my BS meter. It's the downside of KS; easy money from the gullible will always attract sharks.
Liliputing has a piece on some Chinese tab vendors offering drop-in Win8.1 FW for Android tabs,
http://liliputing.com/2014/06/chine...ing-windows-8-1-firmware-android-tablets.html
It's not yet dual-boot, but it's probably a precursor, given now that x86 Win8.1 and Android can run on the same hardware base. Kudos to Intel.
The surprising thing about the offer is the link to download Win8.1. As noted in the piece's comments, I'm wondering how the licensing is handled. Despite the fact that 8.1 is now free for small tabs, 8.1u1's licensing scheme still hasn't changed AFAIK. I doubt that the tab in question has an OEM key, so it's probably unlicensed, and needs "creative" means to activate. Regardless, it's a positive step for platform interoperability.
I'm waiting to see what this year's crop of And/Win mini-tabs will be like. Am hoping for improved connectivity (read: more ports), but looks like the improvement will be in price, with median starting price from $150-200, or $100 less than last year. That's a pretty huge drop. Am holding out for at least a dedicated charging port, to free up the USB.
Yeah, consider the irony of Microsoft cutting Win8 licenses to just $15 and making it free for tabs smaller than 9" while this guy pretends to charge you $10 not once but EVERY YEAR for something you can download and install for free right now.
What I don't understand is why the community and the press aren't denouncing this guy, the way things are going he's probably going to reach his goal
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Dual boot is pain, if something which is working on Virtual Machine that makes me happy...
>Dual boot is pain, if something which is working on Virtual Machine that makes me happy...
Yes it is, which is why people who want dual-boot is a tiny minority. Console OS purportedly has a hypervisor, which presumably will run beneath both OS'es, and allowing "instant switching." Purportedly, it will be made to run in devices with only 2GB RAM, has "user-friendly" install, is "bulletproof" and "production-ready" Android, and will have access to Google Play, Amazon App Store, etc. Oh, and it'll have all sorts of goodies in the Pro version. Uh, hold on while I switch off my bullsh!t alarm...
I've done a bit more reading on Mr. Price's exploits, and evidence leans toward "scam" status. For example, he is also CEO of iConsole.tv, of which the developer "unit 00" was supposed to ship by Sept 2013. But there is no evidence of it ever shipping, nor its exact specs, yet on the iConsole.tv site it's listed as "out of stock." There are other discrepancies in his work history claims.
The sad thing is that as far as KS is concerned, it's legit, because it needs to only be a "good faith" effort. A failed venture isn't a scam, and malice is hard to prove. But telltale signs of "too good to be true" claims are abundant in this case. Anyone here remember the Adam tablet by Notion Ink a couple years ago? Same MO.
Even if it is a scam, I think it's a good thing, if it serves as a life lesson. First-hand experience (of being scammed) is the best educator. Think of it as a $10 inoculation shot. That's pretty cheap if it can buy you a modicum of prudence and caution.
100% True
I agree with you.. I used one chines tablet which is dual boot; truth i hate the performance and switching..
Yesterday Mr. Gary guided me to install the Android 4.2.2 on my Windows, which is running very decent.. I love the performance till now.. Its working above VM and size around 300MB which is very most important for me.. He said adb, debugging they are working it will be added soon.. looking forward..
I just donated him 12$ for his good work- you guy can reach him at [email protected]
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>Dual boot is pain, if something which is working on Virtual Machine that makes me happy...
Yes it is, which is why people who want dual-boot is a tiny minority. Console OS purportedly has a hypervisor, which presumably will run beneath both OS'es, and allowing "instant switching." Purportedly, it will be made to run in devices with only 2GB RAM, has "user-friendly" install, is "bulletproof" and "production-ready" Android, and will have access to Google Play, Amazon App Store, etc. Oh, and it'll have all sorts of goodies in the Pro version. Uh, hold on while I switch off my bullsh!t alarm...
I've done a bit more reading on Mr. Price's exploits, and evidence leans toward "scam" status. For example, he is also CEO of iConsole.tv, of which the developer "unit 00" was supposed to ship by Sept 2013. But there is no evidence of it ever shipping, nor its exact specs, yet on the iConsole.tv site it's listed as "out of stock." There are other discrepancies in his work history claims.
The sad thing is that as far as KS is concerned, it's legit, because it needs to only be a "good faith" effort. A failed venture isn't a scam, and malice is hard to prove. But telltale signs of "too good to be true" claims are abundant in this case. Anyone here remember the Adam tablet by Notion Ink a couple years ago? Same MO.
Even if it is a scam, I think it's a good thing, if it serves as a life lesson. First-hand experience (of being scammed) is the best educator. Think of it as a $10 inoculation shot. That's pretty cheap if it can buy you a modicum of prudence and caution.
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>I just donated him 12$ for his good work- you guy can reach him at [email protected]
Hahah, thanks for the chuckle.
I agree with everything you said e.mote
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Even if it is a scam, I think it's a good thing, if it serves as a life lesson. First-hand experience (of being scammed) is the best educator. Think of it as a $10 inoculation shot. That's pretty cheap if it can buy you a modicum of prudence and caution.
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......except this.
You see, most people aren't what you call reasonable, they wont admit they were duped and instead will lash out at any real attempts to bring android to the desktop, which is a shame since google seems increasingly less likely to do it and developer support for linux distros is at the same level that it always was, low.
TBH its very ironic this is happening right after kickstarter lowered its entry requirements to an all time low.
Hi All, its my first post on XDA, and i must disagree with above comments.
10$ for driver optimized distro of x86 Android is awesome. And this guy looks legit. Its good offer for noobies like me. You can disagree, but that's my personal opinion.
check engadget 2013/05/13 iconsole-tv-x86-android-game-console
>10$ for driver optimized distro of x86 Android is awesome
For a con, small amount (and large numbers of marks) is best. People won't bother with due diligence for a paltry few bucks, and once it's sprung, they can brush off the loss and not come after you. Manipulate risk-reward ratio to have high upside and low downside, and you will always net suckers looking for "awesome" deals. Promise them many too-good-to-be-true features, throw in important-sounding buzzwords and jargons, but don't get pinned down on details like the what, how and when. Third, add urgency: buy now to lock in that special deal (free lifetime upgrades).
I'm not saying it's a con, but all the trademark signatures are there.
Here's an exercise in probability for you: Do some reading on hypervisor, and find out how many consumer-level hypervisors are out there (answer: zero). Now, figure on the likelihood of this happening on a 2GB RAM, 32GB flash device--actually, any x86 device--with install as simple as booting from a USB stick, and from a startup with no known tech pedigree and a CEO whose best claim to fame is that he founded a phone blog.
So why not wait until it's shipped, supposedly by year-end? But that means I'll miss out on that "awesome" free lifetime upgrade! Heck, it's only $10. I'll pay it and take my chances.
>check engadget 2013/05/13 iconsole-tv-x86-android-game-console
Check further to find its specs, or evidence of it actually shipping (reported shipping date was Sep 2013). Where's the online support forum? Is it a secret? Please, do tell!
While I agree that this looks like a scam, I'm curious what you consider to be a "consumer-level" hypervisor. That sounds like a very careful attempt to create class that sounds like it should have something in it but doesn't. Is Client Hyper-V not "consumer-level" because it's only in the higher Win8 editions? Is the PS3 hypervisor not "consumer-level" because it's buried in the console and not (supposed to be) tweakable by the user? Is Xen not "consumer-level" because it's on Linux?
Seriously, of all the things that smell wrong with this idea, the hypervisor is the least of my concerns by a large margin. There's no problem with the idea of using a hypervisor here. I'm sure the PS3 isn't the only game console to use one, for example.
>I'm curious what you consider to be a "consumer-level" hypervisor
A better choice of words would be standalone hypervisor, or perhaps (noob) user-installable hypervisor. The examples you mentioned are either baked into the product/OS, or are highly technical undertakings that are outside the realm of normal users, let alone being installable "on a bootable USB stick." I'm not into the console-mod scene, but I doubt there is a thriving PS3 mod community to run alternative OS'es.
Yeah not only its not his "first post" on XDA, but I seen plenty of new accounts on other sites defending this project which I have to say couldn't come up at a better time to ensure consoleos is not debunked, though chris roberts himself seems to have been banned from the androidx86 group last time I checked.
Whatevs, the projects seem to have lost its momentum so I doubt it will reach its goal.
Well I am simply a baker of this thing and was looking for some community comment on it. I have some time to cancel my 10$ input if this turn up to be a scam. I'm from Poland and it's not so small amount of money here. Do not judge people like that MGREX. Bann for looking for looking some more reliable input LOL hope not. I really like to get this conversation going so I can judge if this is worth my money.
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>Bann for looking for looking some more reliable input LOL hope not. I really like to get this conversation going so I can judge if this is worth my money.
You don't need "reliable input," just exercise some common sense and ask the questions. Do some actual thinking yourself, rather than just rely on others to do it for you.
The supposed startup Multi-Media Ventures (MMV) has a track record to follow. It prominently claimed to have shipped its iConsole.tv ("the most powerful Android console") last year, then look for evidence. Where are iConsole.tv's support forums, developer chatter, downloads (patches / code samples / drivers / documentation / etc), hardware specs? There is nothing on the iConsole.tv site or from a Google search.
The hardware is vaguely said to have a "fourth-generation Core processor with Iris graphics," but won't specify the exact CPU. There isn't even a picture of the shipping unit. On ConsoleOS's KS page, MMV claimed that the hardware is "out of stock," but on the iConsole.tv page, no OOS is mentioned, and it is only too willing to take your $699 (it took me straight to Paypal).
There are other red flags that scream SCAM! for those who bother to dig into MMV and C. Price's history. From Price's linkedin profile, he doesn't have any programming/engineering background. Nowhere on the ConsoleOS page is there any mention of his team, let alone their tech background. The entire site is basically one big sales pitch, with no substance.
Being mentioned on a popular blog is not proof of anything. Blogs don't have the manpower or the investigative expertise to verify in-depth. Most won't even do cursory fact-checking. Their overriding want is content to fill the space and keep the page hits coming. They need massive quantity of content everyday, and perforce quality takes a back seat.
That said, if you want further veracity and can't/won't do it yourself, you can get help from a blog (or blogs). Contact a blogger from a reputable blog, explain your case, along with red flags found in MMV's spiel, and ask if s/he can look further into it. Unmasking a scam would be a pretty good scoop, and as long as it doesn't take too much effort, the blogger will likely accommodate. Suggest Ars Technica, The Verge, and/or Engadget.
ConsoleOS is supposedly pretty far along, with claims of having reached "Developer Release 1" on 25 target platforms. I don't think it is unreasonable to ask for a PoC video from C. Price, do you? Would be nice to see boot-up from one of those said devices, and some of those fancy buzzword features like InstaSwitch and WindowsFlinger in action, no?
Cons work on people's greed for "good deals" and laziness to fact-check, both of which are under your control. Exercise your responsibility.
There *was* actually a pretty big homebrew scene around the PS3 hypervisor (did you miss the whole "OtherOS" fiasco where Sony initially sold it with the ability to run Linux via the hypervisor, then tried to block that feature, then some enterprising hackers added it back and in the process broke the console's security wide open? I don't even have any Sony stuff but it was all over the news I was following ~3 years ago, though admittedly I follow a lot of security news). I haven't heard much about it recently, but the ability to install an run your own Linux system on the console was considered a real plus to some people (hard to get a Cell processor to play with, otherwise).
With that said, while I still don't buy the argument about the technical difficulty of using a hypervisor (seriously, not that hard; hard to write one from scratch, yes, hard to employ an existing one, no), the rest of your comments seems likely spot-on. This is a cool idea and seems like it should be possible (all the best scams are...) but I'm very skeptical that it's actually happening.
I am in the same boat as mcksz. I do hope MMV delivers a dual boot solution for my Asus Transformer T100 (fingers crossed). The idea of Dual boot is very valid. I have tried multiple emulators and have quickly come to the conclusion that dual boot is the only solution for moderately powered Baytrail based 2-in-1. For me "Windows for work and Android for Play" is a very powerful solution.
@MGREX, by Chris Roberts, you mean Christoper Price? if so, he is still very much active on the the Android-x86 forum. Although, he is taking a beating in the Android-x86 forum from some of the skeptics
From my viewpoint, they are a startup and were building a dedicated android console and there was no market for it. Now it appears that they are pivoting to delivering ConsoleOS for the desktop and will try to convince the OEMs to ship dual boot solution. I am skeptical of the overall business plan as well... as both Google and Microsoft have shown no interest in a dual boot solution.
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Yeah not only its not his "first post" on XDA, but I seen plenty of new accounts on other sites defending this project which I have to say couldn't come up at a better time to ensure consoleos is not debunked, though chris roberts himself seems to have been banned from the androidx86 group last time I checked.
Whatevs, the projects seem to have lost its momentum so I doubt it will reach its goal.
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>I do hope MMV delivers a dual boot solution for my Asus Transformer T100 (fingers crossed).
The notion of investing--what you're doing--with "fingers crossed" is so adorably naive that I just had to grin a little. As said from the outset, I think it's a good idea for everybody to experience firsthand at being a scam victim, because only then will they learn that not every claim on the Internet is true. In that, I approve of this so-called venture SPECIFICALLY because of its proclivity to go pear-shaped, and $10 is cheap for a life lesson learned.
I wholly understand that there is no argument that can sway you and those like you, because you've made up your mind on the "good deal." Selective input kicks in, and good luck getting through your blinder. Plus, in the absence of hard facts--C. Price had provided zip thus far--you fill in the gaps to fit what you wanted to believe. The best scams let the marks do most of the work.
>From my viewpoint, they are a startup and were building a dedicated android console and there was no market for it.
MMV claims that it shipped the developer "unit 00". Regardless of how good or bad the reception was, the support has to be in place. You don't just ship a dev kit and kiss off your developers because of poor sales. Do you understand this basic concept? This isn't a retail buy. Dev kits REQUIRE support. Yet there is absolutely zilch on iConsole.tv; the site is totally bare. We're not even talking about support, just basic info. Don't you think this is a cause for concern? What does it take for you to open your eyes? No need to answer, that was rhetorical.
Let's assume for the moment that MMV is legit, and iConsole.tv actually had shipped. Would you ever invest in a company that failed so utterly in its first venture that it "skipped town" on existing users, to jump on a second venture? If there's no support for iConsole.tv, isn't that a good indication of the support ConsoleOS will get?
Yeah, I know, whoosh. I hear nothing, I see nothing.
BTW, I don't blame C. Price at all. He's only taking what people gives him. If simpletons want to hand over money for dubious claims, he's more than welcome to it! Heck, checking in now, I see the new goal is $125K! GO CHRISTOPHER GO! DRINK THEIR MILKSHAKE!
The upshot about this is that it's all legal. Before Kickstarter, shenanigans like this are called securities fraud, which can entail major jail time. Now, Price & cohort can simply cop any convenient excuse--"the dog ate my code"--and they'll be in the clear. Personally, I think it's fine. You can't coddle the lazy and the gullible, who thinks "crossing fingers" is the way to invest. Let there be blood.
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I understand that we are poles apart on this issue. But isn't *all* kickstarter campaign based on certain amount of faith? Hence it comes to whether you have faith in MMV/Christoper Price (or not) in their ability to deliver on the 25 devices for the $50,000 pledge. I am willing to believe that the they would make good on their promise and also provide patches back to AOSP code base.
You think of it as an investment/securities fraud... but believe me, there are others that look at it as an supporting a campaign to get more android devices on the Intel platform of their choice and see it as a win-win. Categorizing other view points as "naive,gullible,lazy and simpletons" does not make you smart.
Currently they are nearing 43K and assuming that they reach their goal, we can revisit this thread in 63 days! Until then I will refrain from responding to this thread.
Peace!!!
Rockmeister
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>I do hope MMV delivers a dual boot solution for my Asus Transformer T100 (fingers crossed).
The notion of investing--what you're doing--with "fingers crossed" is so adorably naive that I just had to grin a little. As said from the outset, I think it's a good idea for everybody to experience firsthand at being a scam victim, because only then will they learn that not every claim on the Internet is true. In that, I approve of this so-called venture SPECIFICALLY because of its proclivity to go pear-shaped, and $10 is cheap for a life lesson learned.
I wholly understand that there is no argument that can sway you and those like you, because you've made up your mind on the "good deal." Selective input kicks in, and good luck getting through your blinder. Plus, in the absence of hard facts--C. Price had provided zip thus far--you fill in the gaps to fit what you wanted to believe. The best scams let the marks do most of the work.
>From my viewpoint, they are a startup and were building a dedicated android console and there was no market for it.
MMV claims that it shipped the developer "unit 00". Regardless of how good or bad the reception was, the support has to be in place. You don't just ship a dev kit and kiss off your developers because of poor sales. Do you understand this basic concept? This isn't a retail buy. Dev kits REQUIRE support. Yet there is absolutely zilch on iConsole.tv; the site is totally bare. We're not even talking about support, just basic info. Don't you think this is a cause for concern? What does it take for you to open your eyes? No need to answer, that was rhetorical.
Let's assume for the moment that MMV is legit, and iConsole.tv actually had shipped. Would you ever invest in a company that failed so utterly in its first venture that it "skipped town" on existing users, to jump on a second venture? If there's no support for iConsole.tv, isn't that a good indication of the support ConsoleOS will get?
Yeah, I know, whoosh. I hear nothing, I see nothing.
BTW, I don't blame C. Price at all. He's only taking what people gives him. If simpletons want to hand over money for dubious claims, he's more than welcome to it! Heck, checking in now, I see the new goal is $125K! GO CHRISTOPHER GO! DRINK THEIR MILKSHAKE!
The upshot about this is that it's all legal. Before Kickstarter, shenanigans like this are called securities fraud, which can entail major jail time. Now, Price & cohort can simply cop any convenient excuse--"the dog ate my code"--and they'll be in the clear. Personally, I think it's fine. You can't coddle the lazy and the gullible, who thinks "crossing fingers" is the way to invest. Let there be blood.
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Why is there no forum on XDA for Huawei Honor Note 8?! That phablet is 10x better than Honor 8 mid-ranger...
Because it was most likely not requested, check out my signature for a direct link for a forum request.
BenjamineDupont said:
You know, here is also no forum for Huawei Honor V8.
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I didn't know that, and didn't want to know that, because I don't care about mid-range phones with small screens. If you want to ask about another phone, be that V8 or something else - post your own question as a separate thread. There is no need to hijack this thread to talk about another device, my thread was not meant for.
Your thread shouldn't even be here, this is the Honor 8 Flagship forum.
Bl00dRunzC0ld said:
Your thread shouldn't even be here, this is the Honor 8 Flagship forum.
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Honor 8 is not "flagship", from any angle you look at it. It is classified as a mid-ranger on most tech blogs out there, and rightfully so. It doesnt crack the top 10 phones in any specs category. Since Huawei Honor Note 8 forum does not exist as of the moment of writing - I think it's reasonably appropriate to post a question about it here. If moderators decide later on it does not belong - it could be moved to Honor Note 8 forum, once created.
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Honor 8 is not "flagship", from any angle you look at it. It is classified as a mid-ranger on most tech blogs out there, and rightfully so. It doesn't crack the top 10 phones in any specs category. Since Huawei Honor Note 8 forum does not exist as of the moment of writing - I think it's reasonably appropriate to post a question about it here. If moderators decide later on it does not belong - it could be moved to Honor Note 8 forum, once created.
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Come on man, relax.. The dude is right, technically your thread should not even be here...but I choose to answer regardless without any form of negativity or any form of tension. Relax, simply redirect him to my response to yours...and we move on.
If anyone NEEDS to request a forum, posting in another device forum is technically not the best idea. All questions for new devices...whether "flagship" or not, should be directed here: Click Me
Let move along.
I already submitted forum request earlier...thanks for the tip though
Apo11on said:
Honor 8 is not "flagship", from any angle you look at it. It is classified as a mid-ranger on most tech blogs out there, and rightfully so. It doesnt crack the top 10 phones in any specs category. Since Huawei Honor Note 8 forum does not exist as of the moment of writing - I think it's reasonably appropriate to post a question about it here. If moderators decide later on it does not belong - it could be moved to Honor Note 8 forum, once created.
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It's not about specs, it's about price....300$ to 500$ is a mid-ranger, and any thing that exceedes 600$ is a flagship.
PalakMi said:
It's not about specs, it's about price....300$ to 500$ is a mid-ranger, and any thing that exceedes 600$ is a flagship.
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That is literally, the most ridiculous, outrageous and lunatic assertion I've heard anyone make on XDA in the past decade. I wouldn't even know where to begin to tell you how very very very very wrong you are!
If you don't get a meaning of "flagship device" - go read some Wikipedia or dictionary definition, I guess.
According to your logic, most real high end devices from a country like China, for example LeEco phones, which have 4-6GB RAM, latest Snapdragon chip (820 or 821), or phones from Xiaomi with similar specs, which never cost $600 or more for reasons, obvious to everyone but you, are mid-rangers? And ****ty devices with 5 year old specs, with either Georgio Armani logo on them, or made out of gold, or covered in 38 carats of diamonds, which cost anywhere from 10 grand to 150k, are flagships?!
Wow... Don't embarrass yourself in public, do some reading and self-education, learn about different economies, price inflations, developing world markets, etc. before making comments like that. Phone price has literally ZERO impact in determining, whether the device is flagship or not. It is true, that in many markets the opposite is correct - device, which is a flagship, is priced higher, than other devices from the same region. However, there is absolutely no connection/correlation whatsoever in the opposite direction - device's price does NOT have any impact on it's classification as high-end, low-end, mir-ranger or a flagship device.
Apo11on said:
That is literally, the most ridiculous, outrageous and lunatic assertion I've heard anyone make on XDA in the past decade. I wouldn't even know where to begin to tell you how very very very very wrong you are!
If you don't get a meaning of "flagship device" - go read some Wikipedia or dictionary definition, I guess.
According to your logic, most real high end devices from a country like China, for example LeEco phones, which have 4-6GB RAM, latest Snapdragon chip (820 or 821), or phones from Xiaomi with similar specs, which never cost $600 or more for reasons, obvious to everyone but you, are mid-rangers? And ****ty devices with 5 year old specs, with either Georgio Armani logo on them, or made out of gold, or covered in 38 carats of diamonds, which cost anywhere from 10 grand to 150k, are flagships?!
Wow... Don't embarrass yourself in public, do some reading and self-education, learn about different economies, price inflations, developing world markets, etc. before making comments like that. Phone price has literally ZERO impact in determining, whether the device is flagship or not. It is true, that in many markets the opposite is correct - device, which is a flagship, is priced higher, than other devices from the same region. However, there is absolutely no connection/correlation whatsoever in the opposite direction - device's price does NOT have any impact on it's classification as high-end, low-end, mir-ranger or a flagship device.
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That's what I hear from many reviewers, flossy carter always say it
Apo11on said:
That is literally, the most ridiculous, outrageous and lunatic assertion I've heard anyone make on XDA in the past decade. I wouldn't even know where to begin to tell you how very very very very wrong you are!
If you don't get a meaning of "flagship device" - go read some Wikipedia or dictionary definition, I guess.
According to your logic, most real high end devices from a country like China, for example LeEco phones, which have 4-6GB RAM, latest Snapdragon chip (820 or 821), or phones from Xiaomi with similar specs, which never cost $600 or more for reasons, obvious to everyone but you, are mid-rangers? And ****ty devices with 5 year old specs, with either Georgio Armani logo on them, or made out of gold, or covered in 38 carats of diamonds, which cost anywhere from 10 grand to 150k, are flagships?!
Wow... Don't embarrass yourself in public, do some reading and self-education, learn about different economies, price inflations, developing world markets, etc. before making comments like that. Phone price has literally ZERO impact in determining, whether the device is flagship or not. It is true, that in many markets the opposite is correct - device, which is a flagship, is priced higher, than other devices from the same region. However, there is absolutely no connection/correlation whatsoever in the opposite direction - device's price does NOT have any impact on it's classification as high-end, low-end, mir-ranger or a flagship device.
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And speaking about it, here's a channel call it mid-ranger (look at gizmochina)
Apo11on said:
That is literally, the most ridiculous, outrageous and lunatic assertion I've heard anyone make on XDA in the past decade. I wouldn't even know where to begin to tell you how very very very very wrong you are!
If you don't get a meaning of "flagship device" - go read some Wikipedia or dictionary definition, I guess.
According to your logic, most real high end devices from a country like China, for example LeEco phones, which have 4-6GB RAM, latest Snapdragon chip (820 or 821), or phones from Xiaomi with similar specs, which never cost $600 or more for reasons, obvious to everyone but you, are mid-rangers? And ****ty devices with 5 year old specs, with either Georgio Armani logo on them, or made out of gold, or covered in 38 carats of diamonds, which cost anywhere from 10 grand to 150k, are flagships?!
Wow... Don't embarrass yourself in public, do some reading and self-education, learn about different economies, price inflations, developing world markets, etc. before making comments like that. Phone price has literally ZERO impact in determining, whether the device is flagship or not. It is true, that in many markets the opposite is correct - device, which is a flagship, is priced higher, than other devices from the same region. However, there is absolutely no connection/correlation whatsoever in the opposite direction - device's price does NOT have any impact on it's classification as high-end, low-end, mir-ranger or a flagship device.
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hey friend, let them talk.
I just received my Huawei Honor Note 8 and it doesn't feel like a flagship. It feels more like a flagship - RAPER. My Xiaomi Note Pro looks like a potato next to it. :laugh:
PS: I feel like insulting all other phone users around me when using this phone. It's just superb in almost every way.
sanein said:
hey friend, let them talk.
I just received my Huawei Honor Note 8 and it doesn't feel like a flagship. It feels more like a flagship - RAPER. My Xiaomi Note Pro looks like a potato next to it. :laugh:
PS: I feel like insulting all other phone users around me when using this phone. It's just superb in almost every way.
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And it costs half the price of other flagships, too... 5.3 million pre-orders can't be wrong - people know what they're investing in. Kirin955 chip is in the top 3 of all benchmark categories amongst all latest chips, and this is the only device in the world with 2k screen, which is bigger than 6.5". 4500mAh battery doesn't hurt either - you will find such battery size in less than a handful of devices worldwide.
BenjamineDupont said:
You know, here is also no forum for Huawei Honor V8.
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I just submitted a request for the V8 ..
Off topic post
jaybirdhawaii said:
I just submitted a request for the V8 ..
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Reported, as off-topic post. I have already previously asked very kindly - if you want to discuss another phone - make a thread for it. Do not hijack threads about other devices. I created this thread for Huawei Honor Note 8.
I am getting my Note 8 today (assuming DHL can find my place).
What's the best way to root it?
Daver69 said:
I am getting my Note 8 today (assuming DHL can find my place).
What's the best way to root it?
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Congrats, and that's an excellent question! To answer it, hopefully admins here will create a forum for this phone, where devs and users could post verified rooting method. This article offers a rooting method, but it's unverified by anyone I know or XDA, so if you wanna try it - do it at your own risk and report the results back here.
Since this is related to the phone in topic...
Question: are these the same phone?
http://www.vopmart.com/cs2013840.html
http://j.mp/2bArWKM
http://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_honor_note_8-8231.php
The differences from the one in gsmarena are the colors, front camera, and 4400mAh battery.
Also, can somebody upload somewhere photos taken by their own Huawei Honor Note 8's camera? Unmodified, straight from the camera, with EXIF please. Hopefully with variations like bright scene, dark scene, etc.
Thank you very much.
KingRoot doesn't work as not enough requests for root yet on this model.
An issue I am having if anyone can help is with Play Store. When installing a large application, PS always closes before its finished downloading. Smaller ones are fine. I've disabled the power saving options for PS etc.. Its a weird one and I don't have this problem with my other Huawei.
https://club.hihonor.com/in/tips.267/daydream-screensaver-while-your-phone-on-charge.8141-1