I listened to my sisters ipod a couple days ago and realized that I was missing out on good quality music. So I purchased a Zune. I use skullcandy headphones. I compared the sound of the same tracks on my Xperia and on the Zune and the sound from my Zune rocked.
Hence my poll. How many of you carry an alternate media player, ipod, zune iriver etc and have an Xperia?
I do, I carry my xperia for phone calls, text messages and internet and my creative zen V plus just for the music
i carry my walkman player.. sony walkman nwz-a728
Funny this post came up, now that its warmer and i'm not using my jacket to store my x1. I just literally started to charge and load up my zen vision m with my music for listening. Ill probably buy a hip case thingy for my xperia or just stash it in my bag.
ummm.... am i the only one wondering why everyone bought a pda if your just gonna use it for phone/internet? THEN getting an ipod for music? this seems totally ridiculous to me, the X1 is a big enough device without having an extra mp3 player in your pocket! may as well just carry an old nokia 3210 with your ipod for music, digital camera for photos, and laptop for internet
In my opinion my X1 sounds with good earphones like my Sennheiser CX500 or my Creative EP633 even better than every iPod with the same earphones. last year I bought a Creative ZEN and I just gave it back because my W960i sounded better. Even if the Xperia doesn't sound 100% as good as my W960i, it still sounds too good for me to take some other device with me...
SamAsQ said:
ummm.... am i the only one wondering why everyone bought a pda if your just gonna use it for phone/internet? THEN getting an ipod for music? this seems totally ridiculous to me, the X1 is a big enough device without having an extra mp3 player in your pocket! may as well just carry an old nokia 3210 with your ipod for music, digital camera for photos, and laptop for internet
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From a logical point of view your comment is valid. However sometimes life is not black and white. Windows Mobile devices have been able to play music from day 1 aka PPC2000. However, if sound quality or media player functionality is not a concern or issue for you then definitely play your jams with the X1 or any other windows mobile device.
However you've got to realize that PMP are specialized and offer more than just playing music with shuffle and repeat functions.
I thought I'd just list some reasons why I like using my Zune 120 over my X1 for music.
- Space: I have a large music library
- Battery life: I commute an average of 4 hours everyday
- Sound quality:It's not all about headphones; the device has to produce the frequencies
- Bit rate :X1 cannot play lossless 320kb audio
- Screen size :This is trivial but I like the big screen
- Sync speed : Even though the X! is USB 2.0 capable you have to switch it to USB mode else it take forever to sync files. I had a 16GB sdhc card
- Seamless : The Zune just works. It's seamless and doesnt get bogged down. I can even sync it wirelessly and has tons of features.
Mind you, a lot of the reasons I listed can be recreated directly or with 3rd party apps on most WinMo devices ie sound improvement with SRS WOW HD or Conduits pocket player for more functions but my point is that my Zune just works. It does what it does best without any hacks or 3rd party purchases or freeware.
Now I'm not trying to sellup my Zune because I'm sure the same goes for an ipod or Iriver or Creative device. Until MS integrates such seamless functionality into WinMo device PMPs will do the job.
No longer since I have the X1. Battery life is still okay. I charge every night and listen to music about 6 to 8 hours a day. But now I might consider switching back to carrying a MP3 Player because I bought Sennheiser MX W1 wireless (in-ear) headphones and it might be that the Kleer Wireless Audio @ 2.4 Ghz interferes with WCDMA @ 2.1 Ghz. At least the signal is interrupted quite often compared to bluetooth connections, also over short distances < 1m "through" a human being. I will definitely experiment with that. Sound quality is awesome.
Firefall! said:
No longer since I have the X1. Battery life is still okay. I charge every night and listen to music about 6 to 8 hours a day. But now I might consider switching back to carrying a MP3 Player because I bought Sennheiser MX W1 wireless (in-ear) headphones and it might be that the Kleer Wireless Audio @ 2.4 Ghz interferes with WCDMA @ 2.1 Ghz. At least the signal is interrupted quite often compared to bluetooth connections, also over short distances < 1m "through" a human being. I will definitely experiment with that. Sound quality is awesome.
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Music quality on new generations of MP3 Players, Phones, and Computers is just a placebo effect. Music quality is a "lie". What determines music quality = head phones or speakers. What mp3 player you use is just plain old placebo BS.
I mean seriously people have done tests in which you see listeners who listen to high fidelity and low fidelity and they couldn't find any difference. This includes music producers and artists, and even the producers who claim th be able to tell the difference between a .wav and a .mp3 is straight up BS.
We humans can only hear a certain amount of frequencies.
poetryrocksalot said:
Music quality on new generations of MP3 Players, Phones, and Computers is just a placebo effect. Music quality is a "lie". What determines music quality = head phones or speakers. What mp3 player you use is just plain old placebo BS.
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LOL! You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. However that's ok! The media is crucial when it comes to sound quality. You can have the best and most expensive media player but if the media player cant output the frequency nor process at the bit rate then you are screwed.
Windows Media Mobile cannot process lossless audio. The difference in disparity between media encoded in 192VBR/F and 320KB /f is ridiculously clear regardless of headphones.
Please utilize the internet before quoting "false" facts. Nice try though.
Sony NWZ A818 is my music player.
I carry y Xperia for messages, telephone etc,
and my iphone for music.
i hate it to use the xperia for music with the headset, because i cannot skip the music with the headset, just like with the iphone
ash969 said:
I carry y Xperia for messages, telephone etc,
and my iphone for music.
i hate it to use the xperia for music with the headset, because i cannot skip the music with the headset, just like with the iphone
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That's pretty unique
I use my X1 for phone internet and videos and music/podcasts but also have a Meizu M6sl... pretty much because I had that before I got my loverly X1... I still use both though...
poetryrocksalot said:
Music quality on new generations of MP3 Players, Phones, and Computers is just a placebo effect. Music quality is a "lie". What determines music quality = head phones or speakers. What mp3 player you use is just plain old placebo BS.
I mean seriously people have done tests in which you see listeners who listen to high fidelity and low fidelity and they couldn't find any difference. This includes music producers and artists, and even the producers who claim th be able to tell the difference between a .wav and a .mp3 is straight up BS.
We humans can only hear a certain amount of frequencies.
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BS
Everything factors into sound quality from your headphones, the bitrate, the quality of the MP3 conversion software, to the amplifiers in the listening device. The chain is only as good as the weakest link.
On cheap equipment (most consumer stuff), it is hard to tell the difference between a good .mp3 and a .wav. On professional equipment, the difference is night and day. A professional sound engineer/mixer can probably tell the difference even on cheap equipment.
So there probably is a difference in the sound circuitry of a standalone media player as opposed to a do-it-all smartphone.
poetryrocksalot said:
Music quality on new generations of MP3 Players, Phones, and Computers is just a placebo effect. Music quality is a "lie". What determines music quality = head phones or speakers. What mp3 player you use is just plain old placebo BS.
I mean seriously people have done tests in which you see listeners who listen to high fidelity and low fidelity and they couldn't find any difference. This includes music producers and artists, and even the producers who claim th be able to tell the difference between a .wav and a .mp3 is straight up BS.
We humans can only hear a certain amount of frequencies.
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Depends. Arguably an audiophile would argue that a portable source in general is compromised when compared to a home source as the former doesn't have the space for a proper amp output stage. Though I get what you're saying.
Moreover the nature of the amplifier used in the output stage of the digital audio player can have adverse or preferable effects on the final sound (I hesitate to say "sound quality" as this is more of a "sound signature"). Hence why some players might sound comparatively warm and mellow, with rounded-out midrange and toned-down treble (my old Cowon iAudio X5, Meizu M6 MiniPlayer SP, and Nokia N86, for example). Conversely, other players might sound a bit colder, trading a rich midrange for some more emphasized treble. And of course there is always the sterile ground of neutrality that some may prefer (I think my iPod Video 5.5G 80GB fell under here).
I can't quite figure out where the sound signature of the X1 belongs. It doesn't sound like it offers as much body compared to the N86, but its bass is around the same level. Regardless, I believe the sound signature of the Zune is what the OP might prefer. Although all modern players are capable of reproducing the full audible spectrum audibly, many reproduce them in subtly different ways.
Plus there are externalities such as hiss, which is prevalent on my X1 (and on my M6 SP, but less so) but wasn't a concern on my N86 or X5 or iPod.
But the components between a high-end smartphone and a dedicated portable media player are negligibly different. Due to the size of their components and the compromises that are made for that portability, they are both in the same range of circuit quality. You'd have to get something like a $500 Kenwood Japanese import MP3 player to get an amp output stage that is noticeably superior, and even that difference is arguable.
I've read much speculation on the head-fi forums (admittedly before the "Sound Science" forum was created) and most people there concluded that for all but perhaps two or three portable media players (the Kenwoods I mentioned above), 192kbps MP3 is virtually lossless. On the home front it was generally believed that 320kbps performs the same effect, being indistinguishable from FLAC, ALAC, WAV, WMA-L, et al. As your bitrate strays down from these values in the respective setups, you (depending on your level of hearing) are prone to hearing more compression artifacts.
Then there were a few that claimed they could hear stark differences. These few were the kinds that invested upwards of ten thousand U.S. dollars on audio cables. I'd like to scream "snake oil" but I can't, as I haven't tried such extravagant setups myself.
I used to care a lot about this, and spent so much time debating on sound quality that I forgot what was really important: the music. I sold all my MP3 players, stuck to the X1 and my Sennheiser HD25-1s, and I couldn't be happier for it. Much better to appreciate what's great than to worry about what little is wrong and could be improved.
alabij said:
LOL! You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. However that's ok! The media is crucial when it comes to sound quality. You can have the best and most expensive media player but if the media player cant output the frequency nor process at the bit rate then you are screwed.
Windows Media Mobile cannot process lossless audio. The difference in disparity between media encoded in 192VBR/F and 320KB /f is ridiculously clear regardless of headphones.
Please utilize the internet before quoting "false" facts. Nice try though.
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According the the wikipedia page WMA lossless does play on windows media player mobile http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Audio#Windows_Media_Audio_Lossless
I just downloaded a sample file and it played on my xperia - or am I missing something? Arn't there 3rd party players that will play FLAC and other formats too?
Personally I think the media and headphones matter the most, whats in between makes little difference to all but self confessed audiophiles who will claim that using gold plated oxygen free cable makes a difference too. (ie BS)
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According the the wikipedia page WMA lossless does play on windows media player mobile http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_Audio#Windows_Media_Audio_Lossless
I just downloaded a sample file and it played on my xperia - or am I missing something? (ie BS)
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Hmm . . . You've got me there. I wish you would post a link to this sample file. Last I checked WMP Mobile 10 could not and does not support WMA 320Kb/s F Lossless. Mind you this is not the same as .wav which is supported by the hardware though playing/loading a full song 03 3 mins r above in .wav might take a min or two and probably freeze your device.
???? 320kbps != lossless.
Lossless = FLAC, ALAC, APE, WMA-L, WAV, et al.
WAV is generally 1411kbps, the rest are inherently VBR as there is a variable amount of lossless information in a track per time. I think FLAC is around ~700 ABR for most of my tracks.
Regardless, 320kbps and lossless are transparent to most people (regardless of setup) anyway so it doesn't really matter. Lossless arguably doesn't benefit portable sources, which are generally transparent to 192kbps.
Also I am unsure that WAV would freeze a device, especially if it is in solid-state memory. In hard disks it generally requires a lot of seeking and consequent power consumption, but hard disk players are phasing out anyway. The point is that WAV requires no decompression as it isn't compressed at all, and therefore uses the least processing power. WAV is less taxing on non-hard drive portable media players than even MP3s.
Hi,
i'm going to buy Galaxy S in few days (or weeks). I know it's not perfect phone but most of bad sides seems minor to me. But... i like recording videos. I've recently had Samsung Wave and it's video recording was superb. Galaxy doesn't record sound in videos as good as Wave. Any iPhone record better sound that Galaxy. So here's the question: is there any possible way to make Galaxy record better sound? I mean full spectrum with 44,1khz and without all of cracking? From what i saw all android phones record only 16khz audio. Do you think there is any chance to get better audio codec from google or samsung (now or later)?
seems rather a configuration issue, not so much as the codec
the codec is there already else it wont record sound at all
it is a matter of tweaking the codec to allow CD quality recording which is what you want.
it'll probably use more CPU power and more storage space, also more battery power
the programers that did the build in software in SGS must have figured for the average user 16Khz is a happy medium
I'm sure there will be 3rd party Recording software, where you can select the quality that you want from the App itself.
you can try checking Android Market.
Yeah, i hope there will be some 3rd party soft to do that.
Going up to 44.1khz shouldn't be so hard (Wave have the same hardwave so Galaxy S is capable to do that) but i wonder what's with that cranking in noisy env.
anyone watch a movie on the stock player??
I love the stock player since its got 5.1 surround. It makes a night and difference watching movies...even without headphones...I wish there was a way to implement that into other players such as mobo, vplayer, and rockplayer etc.
I'm sure with touchwiz UI their gonna really boost the multimedia aspect of this thing.
Can you post the specs (using something like MediaInfo) of the movie? My impression was that HC's stock player can't play 5.1 audio currently.
Will be trying it out on Sunday for my flight back East, looking forward to hearing it on my new Audio-Technica ATH M50's!
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Can you post the specs (using something like MediaInfo) of the movie? My impression was that HC's stock player can't play 5.1 audio currently.
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if you start to play any movie in the stock player there's a button on the bottom left that says 5.1 srs click it and you'll hear the difference. I was playing a divx version of a movie called "girl who kicked the hornet's nest"
here are the info directly from vlc player
codec: MPEG audio layer 1/2/3 (mpga)
Channels: Stereo
Sample rate: 48000 Hz
Bitrate: 128 kb/s
I don't believe this is completely stock player. Samsung is always about good media and always trying to implement 5.1 into everything. My brother's Samsung vibrant has the same features on his stock audio and video players provided by samsung. the phone only has one speaker so when you press that button on his phone it says this mode only works with headphones. But for the Galaxy tab 10.1 we've got two great speakers on the right and left perfect for 5.1. Although its not true 5.1 it makes a huge difference. I've tried it even on things I recorded with my galaxy tab 10.1. I think it's a software modification of some sort done by samsung to make it sound very realistic.
Give it a try...let me know what you guys think.
e.mote said:
Can you post the specs (using something like MediaInfo) of the movie? My impression was that HC's stock player can't play 5.1 audio currently.
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Its a Samsung future that you can chose to have the tab make mono/stereo audio sound like its sorround.
Its like fake 5.1 from stereo speakers
-Creates an accurate 5.1 virtual surround sound experience over any stereo headphones
-Utilizes SRS Circle Surround decoder to generate the highest quality surround sound - placing left, right, center, surround left and surround right speakers accurately around the listener's head
-SRS Dialog Clarity boosts the frequency range of the human voice in a way that lifts the dialog above the audio effects, so you can clearly hear every word that's being spoken
-Improves overall bass response of the headphones
-SRS WOW HDimproves the dynamic audio performance of both compressed and uncompressed audio, by expanding the size of the audio image
Yup. I hate how they confuse people with that "5.1" button when it's really "Fake5.1"
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Yup. I hate how they confuse people with that "5.1" button when it's really "Fake5.1"
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you have to admit that it sounds pretty realistic when you turn it on...no tablet can do that right now...the xooms speakers are horrible way in the back and sound is muffled...and only high end laptops are able to only replicate a 5.1 surround, I wouldn't complain unless you want them to put a sub-woofer in there and two more speakers lol....
Before I got my XPERIA S I had XPERIA PLAY. And I really missing my PLAY specially game pad and I wouldn't be worry much about no ICS for PLAY because GB doing very well on both phones. But one thing very upset me on XPS sound quality and no Stereo on video playback its shame for such as great device. There is my video with proof :
Sent from my LT26i using XDA
Thanks for the video.
Very interesting.
(IrishStuff09 from YouTube btw )
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it might be true (ok2.. i did some test, and the video record is not stereo)
but what on earth you meant with sound quality? and no stereo in video playback? i use the default movie app, mx video player, dice player, to watch my video clips collection (not the one recorded by the phone) and im sure as hell it's playing in stereo... in all apps.
and for sound quality? idk.. this is very-very subjective. but i think it sounds nice. provided i use flac+neutron/walkman (ics built-in music app)/poweramp+ Chinese made earphone (Yuin PK3)
Hi. I used my XPERIA PLAY as a gaming phone but also I recorded a lots o videos . for example when my little boy dancing or try to dance with music in background. When I played my videos on my phone or any computer. Sound quality was absolutely perfect and I never heard before so clear sound with STEREO as well form any phone I had in my hands … HD Vidos Quality wasn’t great if compare to SXS but I wouldn’t complaining on sound playback.
Then 1st time I had a chance to see SONY XPERIA S in TV ads and YouTube Reviews then fell in love straight away , bought SXS and I keep doing same thing recording videos … when I played videos on phones or computers I was very disappointed difference is HUGE for me.
I can agree that my video maybe only a proof for Comparison of STEREO AND MONO . But not really for spund quality. I I have sold my SE XPERIA PLAY so I cant make any video at the moment but I have one of good few videos uploaded to YouTube recorded with PLAY . I Just have to make it public …I May have more on my Laptop:
Sound quality on Video recorded by me using XPERIA PLAY
Regards