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HTC Athena2 aka Thoth?

http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=52811
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Discussing this on the End of Life thread....

I do hope they put in a faster processor.
I think they took all the buttons away this time.

I want in new Athena Thoth chip Nvidia Tegra

adamektt said:
I want in new Athena Thoth chip Nvidia Tegra
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Haha... and good drivers for this chip

Any news of this from MWC2009?

To be honest, because of the low sales of the X7510, they are not going to change anything in the new version just so they can get rid of their excess hardware stock. I feel they will only upgrade the following:
Capacitive screen
Bigger resolution
Bigger ROM and RAM
and the rest stays the same...
Just look at what they did with the new HTC Touch PRO 2. Nothing new, still the same old device with a few changes. No big leaps...nothing...

Maybe we can hope that we get hold of a new ROM that the cooks might be able to tweak for our existing devices?

HTV Thoth
The HTC Advantage 4 will be the coolest device ever. It has time travel something like the Apple Time Machine. 3D hologram chat, which means you can see your girlfriend live in front of you. An option to dump windows OS for Apple iphone OS. 15 million pixel camera, a laser beam to defend yourself like Star Wars.
Please place your orders with HTC right now.

greatestkelvin
Ha-ha-ha, cool!

Thoth: More info, 09-2009 release date?
The big news (rumored, not confirmed) is that the processor and RAM/ROM will be upgraded:
HTC 7500/7501/7510 http://www.htcwiki.com/page/Athena?t=anon :
Processor: 624 MHz, Intel PXA270
RAM: 128 MB
ROM: 256 MB
Thoth:
Processor: 1GMHz Qualcomm 8250
RAM: 256 MB
ROM: 512 MB
Additionally, 5.0MP camera, and 480x800 screen.
Still no word on SSD, but I would estimate at least 32GB, but hoping for 64GB!
Follow the links:
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/...-lineup-gets-fleshed-out-with-specs-prices-d/
Here are some links on the Qualcomm Snapdragon capabilities, sound very promising in terms of video performance!
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?t=72659
http://forum.brighthand.com/showthread.php?p=1625359

keithwwalker said:
Here are some links on the Qualcomm Snapdragon capabilities, sound very promising in terms of video performance!
http://forum2.mobile-review.com/showthread.php?t=72659
http://forum.brighthand.com/showthread.php?p=1625359
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Let's cross our fingers that HTC won't try and screw something up. They always do in the end. So I guess we will have to wait.

pre-ordering Athena 2 aka Thoth
Where can you place a pre-order?

Any news/info about the Thoth/Athena 2?
I can't found at FCC site.

Hopefully something will be released soon:
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2009/06/02/htc-showing-some-new-stuff-in-london-on-june-24/

Thoth isn't dead yet...
Here are some recent rumors (same info, from different sites):
http://www.modaco.com/content/windo...thoth-and-omni-may-be-more-than-just-renders/
http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/HTC...ing-on-the-Thoth-and-Omni-article-a_7289.html
http://wmpoweruser.com/?p=8549
All very tenuous so far. Looks like nothing until 2010...

I hope they release a clamshell device.

If you look at the way HTC's site is configured, it is set up for:
Touch
Touch/type
type only
Since the Athena is touch/type I doubt it be a clamshell, but there are other devices that may be like the Shift

They really should resume development of the Thoth, it seems its time has really come now with the release of the Apple iPad, the Amazon kindle, the Dell mini 5 or even the Samsung mondi, it seems everyone is racing to fill in that sweet spot between maximum portability and capability.
As far as I see it, the htc athena / advantage was years ahead of its time, and consumer demand is only now beginning to catch up with these sort of toss it on the couch when your done surfing the web type devices.
And with Fennec, aka Firefox Mobile about to be released in a few months, with full desktop style youtube and google video support, it will be prime time for the Thoth to establish itself as the original iPad, Kindle, Mini 5, and Slate Pc killer.
C'mon HTC: don't miss out on this opportunity.

Galaxy Note 10.1 GT-N8000 - Discussion Thread (in stock)

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It is available for preorder at Negri Electronics for 750USD (a little steep imho)!
http://negrielectronics.com/samsung-gt-n8000-galaxy-note-10-1-16gb-unlocked-white.html#.UBusDE3iYvv
Another infi here, use G Translate:
http://www.netbooknews.de/75937/sam...s-kommt-am-9-august-hardware-specs-bestatigt/
How to root video: http://androidroot.org/watch_video.php?v=3B53OKX72N7R
So, after many speculation it has a QUAD core CPU, 2GB RAM and a 5MP Camera. The only drawback is the 720 screen, not 1080, but anyway it is the perfect tablet imho, you can do everything with it!.
Will you buy it, and why?

That's WAY too expensive for a tablet.
Especially since it is a 16GB. They can't compete with prices like that.

lol 750 USD? this is gonna be a joke.

A Watcom digitizer is alone 200$ and when the tablet will be available on proper retail channels it will be around 550$. So, under that price it will worth every penny.

If the pen is not necessary, this is a subpar tablet. The TF700 is better.

This is the only thing that makes me want the tablet, SPen, and also Samsung build quality, i own the Prime and i know what i am talking about. TF700 suffers the same I/O problems like TF201.

I have been saving since introduction of first iPad to buy this. I have used windows tablets with wacom pens and only I know how frustrating that is.
Sent from GNote.

For that money they could provide NFC ...i don't understand the omission, you could pair it with your phone easily, Nexus 7 has it. At least it has BT 4.0.

it's a beautiful tablet with a great specs and s-pen but it's a little bit expensive.
i wonder what for the infra-red, remote control what, note 2 maybe?! samsung smart tv maybe?

Samsung Galaxy Tab 7.7 also has IR for the control of TVs and other IR enabled devices.

BTW, this device has the Apt-x codec for bluetooth audio (also BT 4.0 I believe). This codec works great and is sort of rare right now. OS X has it built in but it's sometimes difficult to use (other codecs compete, for some reason). Anyway, there is presently only a handful of devices that use this. I want it as I own a Soundmatters Foxl that uses this codec. It works well and sounds better than regular bluetooth audio (which is marginal).
Note: It's interesting that OS X has this codec but iOS does not. Lame. Also, it's apparently one of the only Android device that uses it.

I hope it does have exFat support (ntfs in my dreams .. ), my Prime has it.

Nice commercial:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbgBxr4H59A&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Having waited ages for this tablet's release the specs are disappointing. Not for me I'm afraid...still no Android tablet out there that I can justify purchasing

diverblue said:
Having waited ages for this tablet's release the specs are disappointing. Not for me I'm afraid...still no Android tablet out there that I can justify purchasing
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What is it that you are missing?

Strange, why no 1080p? This one is top of the line Samsung tablet at the moment, should got at least 1080p. 1280x800 for 10.1" tablet is so yesteryear imo. Battery concern? Mali-400 can't handle 1080p?

brooon said:
What is it that you are missing?
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When I sit down and give it a bit more thought perhaps I am being over critical...I just can't get excited yet! Will have to wait and see how it fairs in hands on reviews. I just hope the S Pen calibration is improved over the N7000. As a left handed user I find it pretty poor and the continuous cycle of having to reset the 'left handed' calibration option in the pen options is just frustrating, especially on a device designed to work with a pen! A slight bump in screen resolution and processor speed would have been a nice touch, though on balance these aren't necessarily going to be deal breakers.

I really don't need 1080 screen resolution...it comes with age (worse eye site)
As for pen, it's something different because it has 1024 pressure levels, not just 256 like our Note does.
Another selling point for me is the inclusion of 2GB of RAM, dreaming of dual booting in Ubuntu (or in worst case WinRT which needs a lot of RAM).

diverblue said:
When I sit down and give it a bit more thought perhaps I am being over critical...I just can't get excited yet! Will have to wait and see how it fairs in hands on reviews. I just hope the S Pen calibration is improved over the N7000. As a left handed user I find it pretty poor and the continuous cycle of having to reset the 'left handed' calibration option in the pen options is just frustrating, especially on a device designed to work with a pen! A slight bump in screen resolution and processor speed would have been a nice touch, though on balance these aren't necessarily going to be deal breakers.
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Sorry for the slight off topic but Touch Screen Tune from the market sorts out calibration. Does need root.
Sent from my GT-N7000 using xda premium

Also, if i activate the pen cursor in ICS i don't feel the need for any calibration.

Xiaomi MI-2

http://asia.cnet.com/xiaomi-mi2-quad-core-android-smartphone-announced-62218345.htm
http://miuiandroid.com/community/threads/first-photos-of-the-xiaomi-mi-2.17591/
I think I just found my new phone, upgrading from SGS2. The specs blow away any phone right now.
* Qualcomm 8064 CPU (Quadcore)
* 2GB RAM
* 16GB ROM
* Graphics processing comparable to the XBOX 360 (Adreno 320 graphics chip)
* 2000 mAh 3000 mAh battery upgrades
* 4.3 inches high PPI retina screen, 1280x720 resolution. The touch screen to do (the OGS / TOL), the single glass fit technology, Ultra Narrow design to protect the glass.
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Not sure if it has expandable storage. But by currency conversion it works out: $315/£200!!
Should be released in October. Hope it works in UK

Nice phone! If only we could get it for under $400 shipped in USA. Hopefully works for T-Mobile....

even anand is blown away
Xiaomi Mi-2 - the worlds fastest smartphone with xbox 360 graphics
Impressive specs
http://www.anandtech.com/Show/Index...nnounces-miui-phone-mitwo-with-apq8064-inside
http://www.xiaomi.com/mi2
90fps

I wonder if this will have solid rom AOSP/ROM support... you might imagine so considering it's running MIUI out of the box.
Also, battery life.

Will it have an english MIUI available though?

Great specs, especially love the option for 3000mAh albeit with an extra 2mm thickness. But no mention of an SD card slot?? 16GB inside is fine but not enough for me on the whole.

I want one so bad! Hopefully we can manage to get them here in the US for under $400... It's beautiful.

MicShadow said:
Will it have an english MIUI available though?
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Yes it will.
Just wondering if it will work in the UK

Based on what I've read, don't expect to get your hands on it until the specs are no longer a wow factor.
Apparently this company has some very interesting marketing strategies, the price is apparently more so an initial head turner and far from permanent. Supply is also iffy.
Sent from my SGH-I727 using Tapatalk 2

Only missing feature is NFC, but hard to complain about at that price with those specs. Even if it comes in at $450 or so in the end that's around the Xperia P range so not out of sorts. We'll see if they release the goodies for the devs to tinker with.

Has this gone on sale in China? Maybe one of the Chinese users could clear our queries with regards to this phone. I'm chiefly concerned about the following things:
1. English support (should mostly have)
2. AOSP support (almost certainly might have)
3. Build quality and spares!!
Damn it I live in India and we are China's neighbours. Start selling you phones here guys!

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=30418051#post30418051

lnfound said:
Based on what I've read, don't expect to get your hands on it until the specs are no longer a wow factor.
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Disagree, for that price it will be a wow factor at that time of release and a few months after release

you can get it here & also post & ask some questions, looks like a reliable dealer
http://www.androidforcheap.com/xiao...creen-wifi-gps-android-40-os-phone-p-464.html
I'm giving this a try :silly:
http://www.androidforcheap.com/note...3-os-wcdma-3g-gps-wifi-smart-phone-p-310.html
or this
http://www.androidforcheap.com/i930...-pixel-camera-micro-sim-card-phone-p-453.html
amazing what they can produce here :cyclops:

don't expect aosp support as they will probably never release the kernel source. the first one was okay... many of my friends have them but.although they get updates every week they still seem to be only about 75 stable.. the new one has me interested from a cheap hardware angle but I like beingable to choose my own Rom

@joshofbass
what do you mean by "they still seem to be only about 75 stable"?
reboots? freeze? I need a dual sim so that i don't have to lug around 3 phones

NFC??
Does anyone know if the MI-2 supports NFC technology?
I have seen many websites which write the specs and other useful information,but none is mentioning whether or not it has a nfc chip.

NFC is not listed in the specs on the official homepage. Neither is microsd support, btw ...

the best phone!

mengfei said:
you can get it here & also post & ask some questions, looks like a reliable dealer
http://www.androidforcheap.com/xiao...creen-wifi-gps-android-40-os-phone-p-464.html
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Already sold out

Surface Pro 3 as Note Pro 12.2 Substitute

Torn between the two incredible devices but if going with just one the SP3 with BlueStacks runs Android apps really well such as Clash of Clans with Google Play Games game save sync, Beach Blitz Buggy with tilt control, Autodesk Sketchbook Pro with pen and pressure support, etc. Enjoy the best of both worlds.
http://www.bluestacks.com/
BlueStacks running here in a window but can also run full screen.
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I quite like the idea of the Surface 3.
However I refuse to pay 2000 euro for an Intel HD 4400. That rubbish isn't even worth 5 quid.

ShadowLea said:
I quite like the idea of the Surface 3.
However I refuse to pay 2000 euro for an Intel HD 4400. That rubbish isn't even worth 5 quid.
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The only reason I looked at the Surface was for better photoshop support and being able to use ArtRage since they seem to have been working on the android app for 2 or 3 years now with no success or even a beta. Everything else I need to do I can do in android just fine. I really thought it would be better for those apps, then I saw the intel integrated graphics and that idea got thrown out real quick...

The i7 model has HD5000 though

ptrkhh said:
The i7 model has HD5000 though
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Which is still a complete waste of money.
Buying a devce with an IntelHD is like buying a Bugatti Vehron with the engine of a 10 year old Ford Ka. It is by far the worst bottleneck possible.
You get a 4th gen I7 3.3Ghz, 8GB RAM, 512GB SSD, 2K res and Win 8.1 Pro.... And a GPU that can't even run a 5 year old game on Medium.
I own a laptop with similar specs, with the IntelHD 5000. I tried playing RollerCoaster Tycoon 3 at 1080 on High. Framerate: 5fps. Anything with an IntelHD isn't worth more than 5 quid. Regardless of the other specs.
A device is only as fast as its slowest part. An IntelHD 5000 equals the old Nvidia 7600GT.

its seems there is a misconception about the HD5000 performance. mbp's+mba's have been coming with the hd5k for a year now. It can run 3 2560x1600 screens without any issues. performance is more than adaquate. unless you're planning to play D3 with it...
far from it for me to revive an old thread...
update: actually I do use my i7 surface to run D3 ROS. performance is just fine. Can get 33+ fps at 1280+ (full specs) resolution without any issues.

hocgwai said:
its seems there is a misconception about the HD5000 performance. mbp's+mba's have been coming with the hd5k for a year now. It can run 3 2560x1600 screens without any issues. performance is more than adaquate. unless you're planning to play D3 with it...
far from it for me to revive an old thread...
update: actually I do use my i7 surface to run D3 ROS. performance is just fine. Can get 33+ fps at 1280+ (full specs) resolution without any issues.
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For playing average games on Medium it's fine. For general use it can handle things perfectly well.
Diablo 3 was designed to run on older systems. It only asks Windows XP, Intel® Pentium® D, 2GB RAM and a 2005 NVIDIA® GeForce® 7800GT.
You manage to play a game well on an HD5000 that is meant to run well on a videocard from 2005. Yes, the required 7800GT is 10 years old. Not exactly an achievement....
But I pity the fool who tries to make it handle a 5000x5000px 60+ layer Photoshop file.
Give Dragon Age Inquisition on Ultra a try. You won't get past the 5fps.
I've got one in my laptop (In the delightfully ****e Optimus setup), and it's a nightmare. I prefer heavier games, like Dragon Age, Mass Effect, FEAR, Skyrim... The poor thing can't even handle 20fps at medium.
"That's because of the rest of your laptop!" Eh, no, because when I manually switch it to my 4GB VRAM GT 740M, they run at 55FPS on Ultra at 1920x1080. (Sorry, I've heard that argument so many times that I'm just preemptively dealing with it by now. If you weren't going to say it, just ignore it. )
Did you know most new games don't even start with an IntelHD? It's listed in the specs. Give Cities Skylines a try. It won't launch an actual game.

Who's getting one and why?

Hey all
HTC has hit us with the latest "Nexus" tablet, the Nexus 9. It's a bit different from other tabs being released atm, It's gone down the apple route with its display ratio, a 4:3 number. I can see the benefits of this for ebooks and PDF's etc, but have we all got used to the 16:9/16:10 ratios of most android tabs? Both have their pros and cons, thoughts?
We also see a Dual-core processor, something that is different as most tabs now tout at least a Quad-Core affair, would this be a major factor in the decisions made when considering this device?
Its great to see HTC back in the tab game, i for one hope to see more, maybe with the sense UI:good:
So, who will be grabbing one of these?
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I'll be getting one! Well, don't under estimate the processor, were talking Tegra K1 here. It did even beat the 2012 Mac Pro in single tread test.

Because it's a nexus ! Great development! To many to list

That Dual core Denver K1 is the most powerful processor at this moment
The scary thing is even it runs way low clock speed to what it is capable of(2.3Ghz>3Ghz),it still out perform Apple's A8 chip on both single thread and multi thread
And dat the GPU it is just pure massacre
The only thing disappoint me is the storage,but I'll get a otg flash drive to see how it works

Me and laptop replacement

I've got a 32GB white one pre-ordered. I've been wanting a ~8" tablet for a while now. This being a nexus device and the best SOC available atm made it an instabuy!

simply its a NEXUS 9
and its the best + i need an upgrade from my nexus 7 12

I have a tab 12.2 right now and it's just to heavy haha. The nexus 9 is like 50% lighter than the tab pro 12.2

I preordered mine (32 gig white version). I'm getting it for two reasons:
- My 2012 Nexus 7 has run its course. It's too laggy and slow in every task.
- I was waiting for a true upgrade spec wise, and the Denver Tegra K1 ticks all the right boxes:
ARMv8 based cores with 7-way superscalar and in-order execution. Even ARM's cortex-A57 is no match for this, which means qualcomm needs to design a new core in order to catch up with nvidia and apple
GPU performance currently unmatched in the mobile space. The Geforce ULP in the previous Tegra chips was terrible and an outdated architecture. Kepler is a huge upgrade.

I need a tablet mostly for the consumption of PDFs and other documents for work. Up to this point, the iPad was the ideal device due to its 4:3 aspect ratio. Now I have a large high-end device to go with since I do prefer the Android ecosystem over iOS.
I also do not have a tablet at the moment, so might as well spend on a device that would be my main device.

My first tablet was an Nexus 7, then I made the move to an iPad Mini, then back to the N7 2013, I have no tablet atm... But the N9 has a decent sized screen. Is made by HTC and Looks good, so yeah, I'll purchase one.

radicalisto said:
My first tablet was an Nexus 7, then I made the move to an iPad Mini, then back to the N7 2013, I have no tablet atm... But the N9 has a decent sized screen. Is made by HTC and Looks good, so yeah, I'll purchase one.
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What!!......Huh..
you went to an ipad!!...
Android is beyond better

USBhost said:
What!!......Huh..
you went to an ipad!!...
Android is beyond better
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Well, I always had iPhone's up until the 4S was released, was then I switched to Android (S3) - As for tablet, it was easier for work having an iPad as I couldn't use a rooted Android for work.
I always used to say "If Apple built a bigger iPhone, I'd probably switch back" but I haven't seen the need. Not an Apple lover nor hater, to me an iPhone/iPad are superbly built devices, it's all personal preference. There is still Apple products in my household, I just choose not to use them. (except my Macbook)

Android and iOS= its like Liverpool and man united (love Liverpool and f&%£## hate man u.
Never used iOS or even want to! Would feel like I cheated on the Mrs!
Long live android
Just being honest. ?

Bug!

ordered the 16gb black model cause although i loved both n7s they were a bit small and i find i used them for 90% non-gaming/video watching so 4:3 is very appealing... also really like that htc is involved because of their build quality..

MRobbo80 said:
Android and iOS= its like Liverpool and man united (love Liverpool and f&%£## hate man u.
Never used iOS or even want to! Would feel like I cheated on the Mrs!
Long live android
Just being honest. ?
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I did use iphone 3 3gs 4 for some time
but that all changed when i got my nexus 7
and my apple hating vendetta started
I seen both sides
So i know Android is so much better!

Yep
Already ordered. Coming on nov 5
looks good so why not

Hagarbau said:
Yep
Already ordered. Coming on nov 5
looks good so why not
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Well done! See you around

Got it for the 4:3 ratio. I read on my tablet 90% of the time and this screen will be ideal for it.
Other reasons...Android is the best OS for tablets hands down as far as I'm concerned and this comes with very little bloat. Lots of development support. Battery life should be great. Speed, it will be fast as hell, expect zero lag. I think this will be the (near) perfect tablet for me.