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My nexus 10 getting warm from only web browsing.

My nexus 10 had become really warm around back camera after using chrome apps for a few minutes about 7 minutes or so. Web site I mostly visit are
kotaku.com
theverge.com
batoto.com
This noticeable warmness only occur when I use web browser app. Funny thing that when I watch movie using MX player Hw+, watching anime MKV 8 bit the device never seem to get hot, except when watching in SW for 10 bit anime it get extremely hot.
Youtube app also shows no singe of this warmness.
Do I get the defected device? Please help me with this I really don't want to get the replacement.
Thank you for your time.

benzs129 said:
My nexus 10 had become really warm around back camera after using chrome apps for a few minutes about 7 minutes or so. Web site I mostly visit are
kotaku.com
theverge.com
batoto.com
This noticeable warmness only occur when I use web browser app. Funny thing that when I watch movie using MX player Hw+, watching anime MKV 8 bit the device never seem to get hot, except when watching in SW for 10 bit anime it get extremely hot.
Youtube app also shows no singe of this warmness.
Do I get the defected device? Please help me with this I really don't want to get the replacement.
Thank you for your time.
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If it's only getting hot with certain apps or content, it's probably those apps or content stressing your device, not the device being defective. This CPU does get a bit hot sometimes. I don't know if all ARM CPUs are like this, or just the ones I have.
I suggest you install the Battery Widget app by Elvison, so that you can see how hot Android says the CPU is getting when you do these things. We can then compare temperatures, if you also note the background temperature in your town when you are testing, so we can compare how much hotter the device gets from the baseline background temperature. I have gotten my HTC One X+ to report a temperature of 60 degrees C when playing a lot of HD video, but while my Nexus 10 gets somewhat hot, it never gets that hot. :fingers-crossed:

benzs129 said:
My nexus 10 had become really warm around back camera after using chrome apps for a few minutes about 7 minutes or so. Web site I mostly visit are
kotaku.com
theverge.com
batoto.com
This noticeable warmness only occur when I use web browser app. Funny thing that when I watch movie using MX player Hw+, watching anime MKV 8 bit the device never seem to get hot, except when watching in SW for 10 bit anime it get extremely hot.
Youtube app also shows no singe of this warmness.
Do I get the defected device? Please help me with this I really don't want to get the replacement.
Thank you for your time.
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Hi, that is perfectly normal. What a lot of people don't know is that web rendering is one/if not the most CPU intensive ask you'll do on your tablet. So for it to get warm at the back after several minutes stressing the CPU out from web rendering is not bad at all. It's nothing to worry about, every phone/ tablet does this. Hope this helps

Plus the wifi chip dumps out a lot of heat just by itself, even if it isnt even being used very hard.

EniGmA1987 said:
Plus the wifi chip dumps out a lot of heat just by itself, even if it isnt even being used very hard.
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The wifi combo chips don't draw a lot of power, and usually go into a low-power idle mode for even less draw (already just a few milliwatts max)...
(Giving benefit of doubt because N10 has dual MIMO fancy chip. Might draw a bit more. Still feels wrong, though.)
Are you sure?

Yep I am very sure. If I leave the wifi on when I play a game I will hit thermal throttling WAY faster than with it off, and the tablet feels much warmer overall as well. Turning wifi off and doing the same thing lowers the reported temperatures by around 5-6 degrees Celsius.

believe it or not it probably chrome... i had the same issue with my nexus 4.... try using boat browser or something else lightweight and see if that changes anything

EniGmA1987 said:
Yep I am very sure. If I leave the wifi on when I play a game I will hit thermal throttling WAY faster than with it off, and the tablet feels much warmer overall as well. Turning wifi off and doing the same thing lowers the reported temperatures by around 5-6 degrees Celsius.
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Right, but the correlation between heat reducing with wifi off doesn't mean the wifi chip itself is the source of the heat. It could just as easily be that having wifi on allows background processes to connect to the network, and their use of the CPU increases load, thus heat.
I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that assuming cause from correlation is tricky.
Should be easy to resolve for someone with a laser thermometer.

Another thought: Display brightness is directly related to a fair amount of heat output. Maybe you changed that setting.

Few questions regarding this phone and performance.

I've read many reviews and watched dozens regarding the performance of this phone but I wanted to get some real user experiences. I'm planning to upgrade to this from my G3 which is hands down the worst phone I've ever had. So far, this phone looks promising but I wanted to know how it performs. My G3 lags really really bad and overheats to 95c+ which led to me having to downclock it. How does the XStyle (Pure) perform? Does the phone lag when multi tasking? How hot does the CPU get? Does it throttle? I don't really care for battery life as I'm never too far from a charger.
I'd really appreciate some answers to my questions as my current phone is really getting on my last nerves.
Thanks.

95c+ ??????????? 95 degrees centigrade is equal to 203 degrees Fahrenheit!
Water boils at 212 degrees Fahrenheit.

The hottest my phone has gotten is during initial setup, when it was downloading all the apps and I was setting them all up... That was about 117f (47c). It did it again right after I flashed TWRP and did my first Nandroid. But normal use, I haven't noticed it over 107f (41c), but I don't play games or do anything real intense on it. Just music and videos for the most part. My M9 got around that temp and ran that way more often with the same basic task.
I don't notice any real lag...There are some quirks that it has that will hopefully get worked out with an update. By "quirks" I mean the slight glitch when you rotate the phone 180 degrees while listening to music....That's the stereo separation swapping sides. I also noticed a slight glitch when listening to music stored on my SD card too, about every 4th or 5th song it will just do a real short "glitch" or "pause" like it's trying to catch up. I've tried a few other, class 10, SD cards and they all seem to do it for some reason? Not a big deal for me, but if I was playing them for people it might bother me a little.
I've read where people said Chrome was laggy, but coming from an HTC M9, I really don't notice anything that bothers me.
As for throttling, I haven't noticed any.....But I haven't gotten it hot enough for long periods at a time for it to do any (if it does).

I've been using mine for about a week and a half and the performance is great. I play a lot of Hearthstone on the phone and it's really smooth even with Facebook chats overlayed on it. My phone gets to mid 90's sometimes. It happened a lot the first few days, but has even out after that.

jaseman said:
95c+ ??????????? 95 degrees centigrade is equal to 203 degrees Fahrenheit!
Water boils at 212 degrees Fahrenheit.
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Yep. The phone shuts down after reaching 96c. I saw the high temperature warning way too many times before I downclocked.
tele_jas said:
The hottest my phone has gotten is during initial setup, when it was downloading all the apps and I was setting them all up... That was about 117f (47c). It did it again right after I flashed TWRP and did my first Nandroid. But normal use, I haven't noticed it over 107f (41c), but I don't play games or do anything real intense on it. Just music and videos for the most part. My M9 got around that temp and ran that way more often with the same basic task.
I don't notice any real lag...There are some quirks that it has that will hopefully get worked out with an update. By "quirks" I mean the slight glitch when you rotate the phone 180 degrees while listening to music....That's the stereo separation swapping sides. I also noticed a slight glitch when listening to music stored on my SD card too, about every 4th or 5th song it will just do a real short "glitch" or "pause" like it's trying to catch up. I've tried a few other, class 10, SD cards and they all seem to do it for some reason? Not a big deal for me, but if I was playing them for people it might bother me a little.
I've read where people said Chrome was laggy, but coming from an HTC M9, I really don't notice anything that bothers me.
As for throttling, I haven't noticed any.....But I haven't gotten it hot enough for long periods at a time for it to do any (if it does).
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Thanks for the reply, your post made me more confident in choosing this phone to replace my g3.
SkuzeeII said:
I've been using mine for about a week and a half and the performance is great. I play a lot of Hearthstone on the phone and it's really smooth even with Facebook chats overlayed on it. My phone gets to mid 90's sometimes. It happened a lot the first few days, but has even out after that.
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Mid 90 Celsius?

Fahim92 said:
Yep. The phone shuts down after reaching 96c. I saw the high temperature warning way too many times before I downclocked.
Thanks for the reply, your post made me more confident in choosing this phone to replace my g3.
Mid 90 Celsius?
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YOU, fahim, mean fahrenheit.

I had LG G3 prior to MPXE and it never got this hot. I did however applied thermal paste. Anyways, MPXE is a good phone, definitely run cooler than G3. Its heavier and bigger than G3. Battery life is on par with G3. I find brightness and colors much better than G3.you won't regret this phone.

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YOU, fahim, mean fahrenheit.
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No, I know the difference and it is most definitely reaching upwards of 90 Celsius. Here's proof - http://imgur.com/a/OlrGP I've used other temperature monitoring apps and they all show the same, even CPU-Z.

Thanks for the replies everyone. I appreciate it a lot

Gr8man001 said:
I had LG G3 prior to MPXE and it never got this hot. I did however applied thermal paste. Anyways, MPXE is a good phone, definitely run cooler than G3. Its heavier and bigger than G3. Battery life is on par with G3. I find brightness and colors much better than G3.you won't regret this phone.
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Thanks for the reply, mate. I'm definitely gonna place an order for this phone soon!

One last thing before I order it. I know that KitKat had removed the ability to be able to completely use the memory card, I.e, downloading stuff onto memory card. Has lollipop fixed that? I had to root my G3 and install a SD card fix in order to download torrents onto it as I mainly download on my phone now. Would I have to do the same with the Moto X?

Major issue with OnePlus 2 Throttling

Quick question if possible.
After about 5 minutes of play in all 3D games it looks like device starting to Throttle. All games loose FPS and become unplayable. I mean Order and Chaos 2 , after about 5 mins I am getting like 7 FPS. Unacceptable.
Now here is the question. IS there anyway to combat that I mean force CPU to be on specific clock or may be lover clock so it's not 100% but not 35% when CPU goes to safe mode.
Anyone ?

Also another thing. Help me understand something. All tests I do like 3DMark ot AnTuTu I am getting great results. Like in AnTuTu 5.7.1 I am getting 63059 and that an amazing result but once inside the game like I said before I clearly see game run just fine and then slowing down BIG time. Yet in let's say 3DMark I see temperature holing at steady 43C for all duration of the test.
May be I am expecting something that does not exist but I had OPO and I had better and smoother experience with games.
So with that I have a question. Is there a tool that will basically simulate 3D game play and will show on the screen in real time temperature, clock speed of CPU/GPU so I can see what is happening (beside 3D mark that showing nice graphs after) cause I feel I am going crazy. How tests showing me one thing yet in real life it's complete different experience. I need to know why games are slowing down.
Also as we know next Nexus 6P will have 810 v2.1 with diffirent clock speed just a bit. So clearly QualComm fixed overheating issue otherwise Google never would of put it in. So yeah, I am confused.

I guess people are also clueless.

Let's just wait and see. Hopefully if anything was optimized in 6P, it could be patched over by devs or OnePlus will path themselves in the near future
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Sony Z5 Snapdragon 810 SoC Temperature heat map - heatpipe test - video

Hello friends,
I did a quick test video created about overheating
In this video are runs two benchmark test (first antutu and later Geekbench3)
in the attachment is a screenshot of the temperature profile, I had a maximum of 80 degrees in this test.
is this now too hot for a smartphone ? What is your opinion on it?

Surface temp didn't exceed 43C? That's pretty good. As far as the internal SoC temp goes, 70-80C can happen on any phone. Here's a 4K test on S6. It hit >70C after 5 minutes of 4K shooting.

schecter7 said:
Surface temp didn't exceed 43C?
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in my 5min test goes the temp not over 44C, I can test the week continue ,to increase temp

The fact people on here states it gets noticeably warm doing basic tasks eg web browsing its alarming for me mostly.
I guess the 820 on 14nm will help, from what I've seen the S6 can remain relatively cool after running benchmarks.

Based on my experience:
- doesn't get warm / hot when doing browsing, facebook, other lightweight apps.
- easy to get warm (but NOT hot) when using camera, playing intensive games (e.g. Hearthstone, Asphalt) and viewing media
- only gets HOT when recording 4K video for a long time (but other people are exaggerating .. it doesn't get too hot for me to hold, experienced practically the same for my Z1)
All in all, isn't really a huge deal breaker for me. Some people just take it way out of context because of the SnapDragon 810 issues from before.

bloodfire1004 said:
Based on my experience:
- doesn't get warm / hot when doing browsing, facebook, other lightweight apps.
- easy to get warm (but NOT hot) when using camera, playing intensive games (e.g. Hearthstone, Asphalt) and viewing media
- only gets HOT when recording 4K video for a long time (but other people are exaggerating .. it doesn't get too hot for me to hold, experienced practically the same for my Z1)
All in all, isn't really a huge deal breaker for me. Some people just take it way out of context because of the SnapDragon 810 issues from before.
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My experience is, is hot when doing browsing , at 4k recording (5min) it is normally warm.
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I can this week to create a new video in which I reproduce this: 4K recording, playing games and browsing.
if you have something which make temperature trouble, please let me know

King p1n said:
The fact people on here states it gets noticeably warm doing basic tasks eg web browsing its alarming for me mostly.
I guess the 820 on 14nm will help, from what I've seen the S6 can remain relatively cool after running benchmarks.
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It doesn't get warm during web browsing. Where did you get that bit of random fud?

Dunno how much 3DMark stresses the phone but mine only got mildly hot after running a few suites, and that was just after running another Unigine based bench.

My opinion about the Z1.

It's been a long time since I held a Sony mobile device.
My psvita looks like a joke compared to it.
The speed and features are stunning and the battery life is not bad at all.
The whole out side body is sturdy and i love the device.
Well done Sony.
Won't be rooting it, wont be modding it for a long time.
Will be looking forward to have more devices from the Z series in my hand.

Compared with ps vita?
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Rly dude?

odie70 said:
Compared with ps vita?
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Compared to several devices i have held and modded.
So far my Z1 is a damn fine device.
If I could run my vita games on her "and yes she has the power" I would.
I know, I know everyone is expecting me to burst out with "what a pile of **** ***** and ****** ** The * *********"
nope i love this device.

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No i'm lying.. pfft.
XD you cannot troll the troll.
On a serious note it's a awesome device.
I just want the textures fixed for doom 3.
:edit and that seems to be fixed after the 5.1.1 update.

I'm very curious about how to made such a perfect FW like this. When I use my Z1, I find it seems to be made by computer like CM buildbot. I guess it's japanese style.
They should know how to google at least.

PielunA said:
I'm very curious about how to made such a perfect FW like this. When I use my Z1, I find it seems to be made by computer like CM buildbot. I guess it's japanese style.
They should know how to google at least.
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I think they spent a lot of time looking at fine detail and features.
I personally wish i could select a much darker theme.
But yeah Sony has always been good at making stuff look sexy.

I'm using a z1 right now the only thing I am not satisfied with is the battery life

Ohhdayumm said:
I'm using a z1 right now the only thing I am not satisfied with is the battery life
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I think the chip is clocked way too high to keep cool and be power efficient unfortunately.
The 3G, LTE radio is set way too fast and this adds more drain and heat.
So in fact the device is cooking itself to death just like the x10 did.

OmegaRED^ said:
I think the chip is clocked way too high to keep cool and be power efficient unfortunately.
The 3G, LTE radio is set way too fast and this adds more drain and heat.
So in fact the device is cooking itself to death just like the x10 did.
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Yea you are right my phone heats up while using data very quickly and the battery drains

Ohhdayumm said:
Yea you are right my phone heats up while using data very quickly and the battery drains
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They could pull down the speed on the 3G/LTE radio more.
As over 1MB a sec is overkill.
And i think this will be the thing that makes me root and drop in a custom kernel.
:edit
So yeah I suggest adding a 3G/LTE speed limiter in future builds for the phone.

Z1 is one of the best devices in the market

OmegaRED^ said:
They could pull down the speed on the 3G/LTE radio more.
As over 1MB a sec is overkill.
And i think this will be the thing that makes me root and drop in a custom kernel.
:edit
So yeah I suggest adding a 3G/LTE speed limiter in future builds for the phone.
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Cant relate to it. My Z1 is around 25 degrees in standby (battery) and CPU less than 40 degrees with ambient temp of 20-22 degrees. All power saving functions disabled and no queue for data. With use battery is 30-35 seldom reaches 40 and CPU between 45 and 60 depending on work. It's even less when on 4G instead of 4G + WiFi. I also got tons of background services running constantly like Adguard Premium (high quality for all apps filtering), KIS Security checking all connections and all file operations, Whatsapp, KiK, Messenger, Dumpster, GSAM monitor, ACR, Apex Launcher, AppLock, Clipper+, Gmail, Gravity Screen (proximity auto lock/unlock for flipcover), Greenify, HeadsOff, Notifyer+, TrueCaller, Type Machine, Weather Timeline, KCAL LCD calibrator and more.
Screen brightness 40-45%, sound enhancements on, X-Reality off, SOT around 4 hours (includes around 50 photos captured, photo editing on mobile and more).
Only time ever it heats to the battery to 45 degrees and CPU to 70-72 degrees is when clearing dalvik cache and it rebuilds it at boot (ambient temp 25).

EQ2000 said:
Cant relate to it. My Z1 is around 25 degrees in standby (battery) and CPU less than 40 degrees with ambient temp of 20-22 degrees. All power saving functions disabled and no queue for data. With use battery is 30-35 seldom reaches 40 and CPU between 45 and 60 depending on work. It's even less when on 4G instead of 4G + WiFi. I also got tons of background services running constantly like Adguard Premium (high quality for all apps filtering), KIS Security checking all connections and all file operations, Whatsapp, KiK, Messenger, Dumpster, GSAM monitor, ACR, Apex Launcher, AppLock, Clipper+, Gmail, Gravity Screen (proximity auto lock/unlock for flipcover), Greenify, HeadsOff, Notifyer+, TrueCaller, Type Machine, Weather Timeline, KCAL LCD calibrator and more.
Screen brightness 40-45%, sound enhancements on, X-Reality off, SOT around 4 hours (includes around 50 photos captured, photo editing on mobile and more).
Only time ever it heats to the battery to 45 degrees and CPU to 70-72 degrees is when clearing dalvik cache and it rebuilds it at boot (ambient temp 25).
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4G seems less problematic than 3G.
Low signal also effects heat.
Try playing Nova 3.
The phone turns into a nuclear reactor.

Yeah.. Now i am raging..
This phone is a cancer to unlock... Its a pain to figure out what roms will work and a total witch to fine tune. My s4mini took 1 day to get on a fully stable custom rom.
Idk wtf sony is thinking.. The cpu clock is way to high and the heat output is brutal.
Not everyone lives in a liquid nitrogen jar.
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You live in the djungle or? How hot is the weather Tarzan?

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You live in the djungle or? How hot is the weather Tarzan?
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Its about 25 to 30*c ambiently normally.
Plus with the increase in heat from global warming i see a sad future ahead for mobile chip developers.
My sgs4 mini never overheated this badly even when clocked to 2GHz
Im hoping that there is something i can do like disable 2 of the cores or drop the clock a bit once i finally get it properly on a custom rom else me and this device are going to be tough on each other.
My X10i also bloody overheated like this when downloading over 3G or gaming heavy stuff it drove me insane.

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Its about 25 to 30*c ambiently normally.
Plus with the increase in heat from global warming i see a sad future ahead for mobile chip developers.
My sgs4 mini never overheated this badly even when clocked to 2GHz
Im hoping that there is something i can do like disable 2 of the cores or drop the clock a bit once i finally get it properly on a custom rom else me and this device are going to be tough on each other.
My X10i also bloody overheated like this when downloading over 3G or gaming heavy stuff it drove me insane.
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Well I do agree they are putting in and/or clocking CPUs at such levels the heat dissipation aint really adequate and thus makes phones throttle CPU/GPU. Just look at early SD810 equipped mobiles. They IRL with random above normal workload performed worse than A SD800 equipped phone due to constantly throttling creating hitches. They design thermal dissipation to just be enough for benchmarks (where many are worthless and or easy to cheat 'legally'). Few mobiles you can run at 100% CPU and GPU load without them throttling at some point, earlier or later. Though the Z1 has quite good thermal characteristics and throttling should seldom if ever happen unless something is locking the CPU and GPU to 100% for prolonged periods.
For normal use, movies 4k, Youtube it is far from reaching throttling levels. Games I cant comment since I dont play on my mobile. Not interested and my opinion is almost all games are coded in a ****ty way using unecessary resources and the fact you cant even chose render resolution ingame is ridicolous. A game like Prey for PC would be perfectly doable on the SD800 at 1080 yet no Android game even comes close to such visuals.

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Well I do agree they are putting in and/or clocking CPUs at such levels the heat dissipation aint really adequate and thus makes phones throttle CPU/GPU. Just look at early SD810 equipped mobiles. They IRL with random above normal workload performed worse than A SD800 equipped phone due to constantly throttling creating hitches. They design thermal dissipation to just be enough for benchmarks (where many are worthless and or easy to cheat 'legally'). Few mobiles you can run at 100% CPU and GPU load without them throttling at some point, earlier or later. Though the Z1 has quite good thermal characteristics and throttling should seldom if ever happen unless something is locking the CPU and GPU to 100% for prolonged periods.
For normal use, movies 4k, Youtube it is far from reaching throttling levels. Games I cant comment since I dont play on my mobile. Not interested and my opinion is almost all games are coded in a ****ty way using unecessary resources and the fact you cant even chose render resolution ingame is ridicolous. A game like Prey for PC would be perfectly doable on the SD800 at 1080 yet no Android game even comes close to such visuals.
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Im a gamer that often ends up putting a device thru the acid test via extended gaming.
The heat generated in the Z1 is not good and could easily damage the hardware over time.
Now this concerns me as a device that can run games should not just be able to do this for demo purposes alone... Thats cheating. Sacrificing stability and device life expectancy for a mere chart topping benchmark score or to merely capture the eye of a consumer. Thats cheating and not a welcome trait.
Losing my respect for sony again.
The fact that the psvita was canned so early too.
It's not funny. Nova 3, neon shadow, all use unity.
Doom3 using Diii4A for example is nearly the same engine used for prey and the game runs flawlessly on the sd800 but the heat... Even when lowering the quality brutally the throttle on the cpu is too high. Nova 3 sadly has no quality settings so the 1080p resolution brings brutal overheating.

OmegaRED^ said:
Im a gamer that often ends up putting a device thru the acid test via extended gaming.
The heat generated in the Z1 is not good and could easily damage the hardware over time.
Now this concerns me as a device that can run games should not just be able to do this for demo purposes alone... Thats cheating. Sacrificing stability and device life expectancy for a mere chart topping benchmark score or to merely capture the eye of a consumer. Thats cheating and not a welcome trait.
Losing my respect for sony again.
The fact that the psvita was canned so early too.
It's not funny. Nova 3, neon shadow, all use unity.
Doom3 using Diii4A for example is nearly the same engine used for prey and the game runs flawlessly on the sd800 but the heat... Even when lowering the quality brutally the throttle on the cpu is too high. Nova 3 sadly has no quality settings so the 1080p resolution brings brutal overheating.
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Well pretty much all brands have phones that throttle early even the Iphone. If anything Sony phones are those that take the longest time to throttle due to relatively good design, aluminium besel and rigid 'heatsink' plate. Though it varies depending on SoC.