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I'm new to android phones. In fact, other than reading about them, my only experience with them is playing with the evo 4g for about 10 minutes. I was surprised at the significant stuttering while trying to scroll through lists. It made navigating the sprint tv application very very frustrating. Scrolling through the browser settings was also very annoying because of the stutter. Is this normal for android phones? Is it normal for the evo? Is there some way to fix it?
Right now I have an iphone 3g. I'm not happy with having to jailbreak my iphone just to get some basic functionality that I need. I'm afraid that with the iphone 4 won't even be able to turn on a jail broken phone without plugging it into a computer, so I really am looking for an android device, but this scrolling stutter might be a deal breaker, if it is normal.
Demo models are always torn up and not typical.
I really don't have any lag but I'm also rooted, removed the bloat and have a great task manager installed.
the nexus never stuttered. not a single step. the evo tends to. i think it has something to do with the bloatware that htc and sprint have filled it up with.
could be the 30 fps bug. the device is locked at displaying 30 frames per second so things could be choppy. that's the second thing i noticed about the phone. first was how fuzzy everything looked - i upgraded from a droid so that could be the reason.
I don't think its the 30fps bug. 30 fps would be perfectly acceptable. This is a stutter, not just slow frame rate.
If you're coming from an iPhone I can see how the scrolling would bother you. The iPhone is consistently 60fps in the UI at almost all times, does not suffer the choppiness of the Android UI when scrolling lists or applications. Restoring the 60fps target + Froyo should get the Android UI experience up to acceptable levels in my opinion.
It's the live wallpapers that make my app list stutter. I turned it off and it's smooth now.
madsquabbles said:
could be the 30 fps bug. the device is locked at displaying 30 frames per second so things could be choppy. that's the second thing i noticed about the phone. first was how fuzzy everything looked - i upgraded from a droid so that could be the reason.
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OMGG stop blaming a 30fps cap for the phone being laggy AT ALL. Its like every single forum if someone brings something up about the phone freezing, lagging, glitching, or not working. Some random person says "its probably because the 30fps cap". Thats not going to stop things from scrolling all in one motion.
But like others have said here, its most likely just because its a demo phone and there might of been a lot of things running. Since most people dont know how to operate android devices they dont close the program and just open everything and anything. Also htc/sprint put a lot on to the phone and bog it down. The phone will be more then operational without rooting, but if you do root, you can give the phone a big increase in speed.
The 'performance improving' ROMs seem to have a great placebo effect.
The phone stutters regardless of what rom you use. The EVO 4G is a laggy phone. It is very unimpressive.
Having sprint bloatware taking up space in your phone's flash memory does not affect performance. It is not taking up ram unless it's running, and even if it is, it will get reclaimed automatically by the operating system as needed.
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The phone stutters regardless of what rom you use. The EVO 4G is a laggy phone. It is very unimpressive.
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I seem to disagree with u there. My EVO hasnt choked once. Yeah, its a little jittery with LWP running, but without the LWP, my EVO is as smooth as can be. Not one complaint.
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I seem to disagree with u there. My EVO hasnt choked once. Yeah, its a little jittery with LWP running, but without the LWP, my EVO is as smooth as can be. Not one complaint.
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I'm coming from an iphone 3g which had no UI lag. Opening and closing apps took longer though. Scrolling, switching homescreens, and especially scrolling the apps list seems extremely laggy on the Evo..
Try launcher pro if you refuse to root and use the custom roms.
I have virtually zero lag and free memory is always over 200 mb
I'll agree, I just came from an iPhone 3gs and one of the first things I noticed was that the Evo wasn't as smooth. I really like the OS but the scrolling needs to be fixed.
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Hell... I came from an iphone 2G and it scrolls smoother than my evo.
I really think it's the refresh rate.
I had a Nexus One and never noticed the stutter, though some of my iPhone-toting friends did. But the second I updated to Froyo and everything was much faster and more responsive, I could notice how much slower scrolling and switching screens on 2.1 devices was. It's just a matter of what you're used to.
I get some stuttering when scrolling. My Hero (which I still have) doesn't do this. Strange thing is that sometimes I do not see this stuttering and it's smooth as butter. My thought is that something in the background is running and eating up CPU time.
Live wallpapers seem to make a huge difference in how smooth and regular the touch screen refreshes (like scrolling). I don't have big problems with preinstalled live wallpapers by Android and HTC, but when using most downloaded live wallpapers, the difference is noticable - for example, Galactic Core and RedEye Scanner live wallpapers make scrolling noticeably choppier.
This doesn't seem to happen as much with Nexus One I have access to. I think it might the combination of the 30fps cap and the Sense UI.
Well my plan now is to wait until the iPhone 4 is jailbroken. If the evo's stutter is fixed to the point that it is like other android phones, I'll buy the evo. Of not, I'll get the iPhone unless there's a new option on sprint or AT&T.
I should say that I don't buy that the stutter is due to the 30fps cap. I know what 30fps looks like. The scroll stutter/lag hurts useability. A smooth 30fps wouldn't.
It doesn't stutter unless your running certain live wallpapers. If you use a regular wallpaper there is no stuttering. This is not a problem with EVO as I had same problem on my Nexus but after the update to froyo everything was silky smooth even with live wallpapers. So my suggestion is if it bothers you just use a regular wallpaper until froyo drops on the EVO.
Does anyone really think that the lag problems can be fixed by an official firmware update form Samsung? It seems that this is a hardware problem only: Samsung chose slow memory for the filesystem on which /data/ lives. How can this be overcome in an official update? Sure, there are some hacks out there that require buying an sdcard (and then never removing it) or using up the very last bit of NAND which will surely cause problems for some with lots of apps or with apps that have large databases. These hacks will probably work well for some, but Samsung won't do anything unless it is transparent to the end-user and works well for everyone. Is it even possible for them to do it?
I think there's a guide somewhere here that changes the filesystem to EXT3/EXT4 which improves performance.
Im very confident Samsung vill fix the "lags" hell Im on stock firmware and just by using luncher pro the lags are much less of a problem. Lets wait for the first official firmware update before we all start to panic
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I think there's a guide somewhere here that changes the filesystem to EXT3/EXT4 which improves performance.
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I think ext3/ext4 is part of one of the hacks involving an external sd card. It probably works very well, but is not an option for Samsung unless they decide to give every one a free sd card.
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Does anyone really think that the lag problems can be fixed by an official firmware update form Samsung? It seems that this is a hardware problem only: Samsung chose slow memory for the filesystem on which /data/ lives. How can this be overcome in an official update? Sure, there are some hacks out there that require buying an sdcard (and then never removing it) or using up the very last bit of NAND which will surely cause problems for some with lots of apps or with apps that have large databases. These hacks will probably work well for some, but Samsung won't do anything unless it is transparent to the end-user and works well for everyone. Is it even possible for them to do it?
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There is no question that there is, nearly terrible, issues with stock I/O performance. Everything else is zippy, even more so when you use LauncherPro with cached pages. Games are super fast, which makes me think that the memory speed isn't an issue for long-term performance. I do wish the internal storage was NAND, but other than that I think the hardware is top-notch and I wouldn't trade it away.
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There is no question that there is, nearly terrible, issues with stock I/O performance. Everything else is zippy, even more so when you use LauncherPro with cached pages. Games are super fast, which makes me think that the memory speed isn't an issue for long-term performance. I do wish the internal storage was NAND, but other than that I think the hardware is top-notch and I wouldn't trade it away.
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I agreed that everything but the io is excellent. However I rely on several i/o intensive apps like calendar, shopping lists, task managers, and all of these really suffer. I hope I am wrong and that samsung find a way to fix it.
I have no lag and I'm not using any fix.
just use this fix, and you wont get any lag
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=724251
even without that fix, you don't get lag if you use any of the many available task killers softwares
Intratech said:
I have no lag and I'm not using any fix.
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same here.
the lag is caused by the touchwiz interface over android ....remove touchwiz and it will be as fast as the nexus
As mentioned the third party stuff isn't really amazingly optimized at this point, but I reckon just changing the values at which levels android frees up memory should take care of most lags, even on stock firmwares.
Running JM2 with ext4 fix and AutoKiller I hardly ever notice any lags on my phone, if anything some apps sometimes takes half a second too long to load but it's nothing I can't live with.
tmzbeme said:
the lag is caused by the touchwiz interface over android ....remove touchwiz and it will be as fast as the nexus
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Saying that there is no lag for anybody just doesn't work. There are many, many documented reports of the lag here, youtube, other forums, etc... It's a known problem. I am using LauncherPro and I still have lag problems. Most notably, when I long press on a screen to create a new shortcut, it takes launcherpro sometimes about 15 seconds to bring up the list of applications. There are many other case of things taking 2 seconds when they should be nearly instantaneous.
The NAND fix does work: as a test I moved the Astrid task manager database to /dbdata and now Astrid flies. However, I don't believe that Samsung will be able to use the NAND memory as part of an official fix. Does anyone have any ideas or predictions on how Samsung can solve this problem?
I use Launcher Pro, task killer and still have SEVERE lag. Also very curious as to what solution Samsung mighy have up their sleeves and when we can hope it will br released.
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I'm starting to think that people who say they see no lag at all without any fix are either trying to convince themselves or just lack the ability to notice. I know I'm practically calling people delusional here, no offense, but come on... that would mean there's like a 1% of all shipped units that mount superfast internal SDs, that's unlikely.
Internal SDs are slow as &%£$. EXT4 on external SD fixes the problem for good. Maybe we're just gonna have to live with it...
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I'm starting to think that people who say they see no lag at all without any fix are either trying to convince themselves or just lack the ability to notice. I know I'm practically calling people delusional here, no offense, but come on... that would mean there's like a 1% of all shipped units that mount superfast internal SDs, that's unlikely.
Internal SDs are slow as &%£$. EXT4 on external SD fixes the problem for good. Maybe we're just gonna have to live with it...
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Yeah they all lag out of the box, no one got lucky and got sent a special/custom version with different hardware that doesn't lag.
Some people obviously are more acceptable of lag and don't call a small delay lag etc . There are some of course that after spending a lot on a device don't want to admit its flawed in some areas so keep saying mine doesn't lag etc, people can be strange sometimes .
Not all have the 10 seconds of black screens etc that you see on some of the youtube videos but without applying any fixes they all have delays here and there.
I agree with the above 2 posters, lag is VERY obvious out of the box. I came from Winmo 6 (where lag is the norm and not the exception...lol), so when I first got the SGS I too was very tolerant of the lag and was wondering what the heck people was complaining about.
Then I got to try out my friend's Desire. Everything just "moves" so fluidly...opening app drawer, changing wallpapers, opening the dialer, contact page, handcent etc. When I got back to my SGS I realize what I was missing. The SGS on paper is more powerful than Desire but doesn't perform as sweetly, UI-wise.
So far, mimocan fix + autokiller maybe mitigate 80% of it. But sometimes still lags badly, for eg; when adding shortcut ...the application list takes ages to come up. or adding widgets.
Anytime a new firmware leaks and we hear of people saying lag is fix...but I am still sceptical. I am on JG5 and things are still as before. Still need to apply fix.
With the external sd card partitioned to ext4, do you need a fast sd card? or would a class 2 work just as well for this lag fix?
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, for eg; when adding shortcut ...the application list takes ages to come up. or adding widgets.
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Um, I'm on JM2, with no lag-fixes, and my applications list for shortcuts come up instantly. Do you want me to make a youtube vid of it?
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Um, I'm on JM2, with no lag-fixes, and my applications list for shortcuts come up instantly. Do you want me to make a youtube vid of it?
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sure, if you feel like doing it
how many apps do you have installed, btw?
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sure, if you feel like doing it
how many apps do you have installed, btw?
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quite a few, but not a lot. I'll post a vid in the morning. Anything else besides adding widgets and shortcuts?
i just got my tmobile g2 and after putting my email in and unlocking it for my att sim, i feel like is a little bit choppy. the scrolling in the web browser (i dint even install flash) and the responsiveness of the buttons, it doesn't feel as snappy as the the iphone 4. i remember when i was using the n1 with 2.2 a while back is a bit smoother. is it because i been using the iphone for too long? or is it because its preloaded with too much app? i don't think thats the case since the android rom it self is stock. will the smoothness of the ui improves when you put in a different rom when permit root is possible in the future?
one more thing, is it possible to add touch focus to the camera and video recording?
I don't know what you did but the G2 is incrediblly snappy for me. No lags at all. I'm even playing some heavy duty games, like Asphalt (racing game) and I do not notice any lags at all.
thats what i was expecting too, i dint do anything to my g2 is out of the back from the store
flash comes pre-installed.
Have you tried rebooting?
What are your linpack scores?
I too find G2 a bit choppy (after playing with my friend's iPhone4) but I think that's just the way Android is. It can do so much more but we have to sacrifice some smoothness in return. Seems to lag a bit more on home screens. Browser, maps, other apps are just fine.
Also, with Android 2.2, you have to use a phone for a while for it to achieve it's full potential. Something about JIT getting better over the time.
I had the same thing happen to me after i put my work email through microsoft exchange active sync. i ended up putting the check email frequency to never cause i always check it every morning and night to reply and that seemed to clear up that issue. it might be a bug with microsoft exchange active sync or the email app itself. hope that helps.
Honestly after the G1 I didn't believe android could run without lag, but my G2 never lags at all. Well maybe twice I've noticed a tiny second of lag coming back to the home screen but that's it. That being said, one of my friends got a g2 too and his is a little laggy here and there... gotta be particular apps/widgets causing issues in my opinion... with him in particular I think its the anyRSS widget, but I could be wrong of course. I love this phone
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i just got my tmobile g2 and after putting my email in and unlocking it for my att sim, i feel like is a little bit choppy. the scrolling in the web browser (i dint even install flash) and the responsiveness of the buttons, it doesn't feel as snappy as the the iphone 4. i remember when i was using the n1 with 2.2 a while back is a bit smoother. is it because i been using the iphone for too long? or is it because its preloaded with too much app? i don't think thats the case since the android rom it self is stock. will the smoothness of the ui improves when you put in a different rom when permit root is possible in the future?
one more thing, is it possible to add touch focus to the camera and video recording?
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Laggy? No, not at all. Not even a little bit. Nope. Whoosh, eat my dust iPhone. Uh, you don't have to install flash, it is preloaded...you could turn it off. Must be something wrong with your trying to run on ATT.
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My g1 and my g2 BOTH lag blatantly when connected to cheap third party power cords fyi. They work fine on decent power cords, but glitch on the made-in-china, 3 chargers for 99 cents adapter cords.
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The g2 certainly lags in the browser. On more complex webpages the scrolling is not very smooth at all. Load up a flash heavy site and its really bad. I find It really hard to control flash players and stuff. You have to zoom way in to get any buttons to register like on myspace music.
Set flash to "on demand."
Overall I have no lag. when i first got mine (oct 6) there was a delay when i tried to scroll the app drawer. The issues has a since disappear. This thing is snappy and blazing fast.
I think he might be referring to the "smoothness". Unfortunately all android phones have a tendency to stutter when scrolling.
There is no 2D graphics acceleration in the UI, as google did not want to have issues with the older 528mhz phones. Hopefully this will be resolved in 3.0.
The newer faster phones (Like the G2) can hide this with their raw CPU performance, but occasionally if its multitasking or doing something else it will stutter/lag. For now, Windows Phone 7, and iPhone's will always be "smoother". Until we get some decent UI acceleration .
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The g2 certainly lags in the browser. On more complex webpages the scrolling is not very smooth at all. Load up a flash heavy site and its really bad. I find It really hard to control flash players and stuff. You have to zoom way in to get any buttons to register like on myspace music.
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do you have adobe flash 10.1 installed? Keep it on your phone internal memory not sdcard. If you are running stock browser or Xscope or skyfire (or even fennec) just clear the caches regularly. Otherwise there is no reason why the phone should be lagging. Also in settings, set flash player to "on demand" not "always"
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do you have adobe flash 10.1 installed? Keep it on your phone internal memory not sdcard. If you are running stock browser or Xscope or skyfire (or even fennec) just clear the caches regularly. Otherwise there is no reason why the phone should be lagging. Also in settings, set flash player to "on demand" not "always"
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I'm actually talking with flash off though and comparing the g2 side by side a captivate. So android's ui is not hardware accelerated but the galaxy s phones are able to totally mask that. Its not a big difference but a shame that the g2 processor doesn't keep up with the hummingbird. Now someone could explain to me that its because we are running 2.2 but I thought it was actually supposed to be faster than 2.1.
my phone is fast. there is a difference between lag and choppiness. lag is when there is a delay between when you tell the phone to do something and when it does it. choppiness is a lack of smoothness in scrolling. some apps are more choppy than than others. like the stock music app is way too choppy when scrolling lists. the browser is choppy. the contacts list is pretty smooth. but in terms of lag, I don't have any lag.
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my phone is fast. there is a difference between lag and choppiness. lag is when there is a delay between when you tell the phone to do something and when it does it. choppiness is a lack of smoothness in scrolling. some apps are more choppy than than others. like the stock music app is way too choppy when scrolling lists. the browser is choppy. the contacts list is pretty smooth. but in terms of lag, I don't have any lag.
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Yeah that makes sense. My captivate is not choppy in the browser at all and my g2 is slightly choppy. It seriously makes me sad.
obelisk282 said:
i just got my tmobile g2 and after putting my email in and unlocking it for my att sim, i feel like is a little bit choppy. the scrolling in the web browser (i dint even install flash) and the responsiveness of the buttons, it doesn't feel as snappy as the the iphone 4. i remember when i was using the n1 with 2.2 a while back is a bit smoother. is it because i been using the iphone for too long? or is it because its preloaded with too much app? i don't think thats the case since the android rom it self is stock. will the smoothness of the ui improves when you put in a different rom when permit root is possible in the future?
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I think most of the Web browser choppiness is due to the fact your use At&t network for browsing on the G2 which will only get you slow speeds since it can't use At&t's 3G. This would be expected. Try wifi and see if you still have the choppiness. I don't know about your button issue though.
Hi everybody I've just installed wp7 and actually everything is running quite well but I'm not sure if it is normal when the explorer lags sometimes when scrolling slowly ,as some people have stated wp7 to be just perfectly smooth. Well maybe people coming from android or WM6 think so but compared to iPhone 4 it is still quite a bit laggy especially the browser as I said before. Now can anyone with iPhone experience tell me if this slight lags are normal or is there something wrong with my sd card (there are no lags when scrolling fast or zoomed out only when zoomed in and slowly scrolling)? I know Im pathetic
i dont have anything on my hd2 which resembles lag, however the touch screen pinch lag is a driver issue, we are not ment to have wp7 on our hd2s, its likely something you will have to live with if you wish to keep using the HD2
Overall, the performance on my Nexus is quite good, but I routinely run into stuttering on webpages in the Chrome Browser. A good example of this is theverge.com. If I wait for that website to load and scroll up and down at moderate or fast speeds, I run into some very significant stuttering.
Other webpages exhibit this problem to varying degrees, but I can almost always find some hint of it. Elsewhere on the phone, I can also see some stuttery elements, such as on the Play Store while browsing apps, or scrolling through a single app description.
Best as I can tell, these stutters seem to trigger as I am scrolling towards an image in both cases.
Anybody else experiencing this? Not sure if this is just how it is.
1. Wrong section to post....
2. Do you scroll before the page loads completely... Which case is expected...
3. I just opened theverge.com on nexus5 as 6p is still shipping... No issues... Can't really believe that 6p would stutter
4. Congrats for the new phone
No lag when scrolling on the verge for me.
I see it on Engadget but that is because their mobile site sucks and loads a couple articles at a time as you scroll. Not the phones fault there.
I haven't noticed any stutter or lag on any sites. Just when phone was installing apps on first boot.
No stuttering for me unless data is still loading in a low signal area. I often have multiple chrome tabs open and if they are fully loaded then I can scroll seamlessly.
Yeah I've experienced stutter here and there while using Chrome too. Check your cached processes to see how much free ram you have. I think mines generally smoother when I have more free ram there.
Definitely stutter and lag
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Overall, the performance on my Nexus is quite good, but I routinely run into stuttering on webpages in the Chrome Browser. A good example of this is theverge.com. If I wait for that website to load and scroll up and down at moderate or fast speeds, I run into some very significant stuttering.
Other webpages exhibit this problem to varying degrees, but I can almost always find some hint of it. Elsewhere on the phone, I can also see some stuttery elements, such as on the Play Store while browsing apps, or scrolling through a single app description.
Best as I can tell, these stutters seem to trigger as I am scrolling towards an image in both cases.
Anybody else experiencing this? Not sure if this is just how it is.
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You are not alone. I have noticed the same thing. Many instances of stutter and lag. This is definitely not a lag free device as many said it was. Chrome is fairly smooth but stutter is there sometimes. Facebook and play store are two of the worse culprits. I have tried clearing the cache, haven't factory reset because I have hardly any apps installed (no games). No phone is perfect but perormance is fairly good.
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You are not alone. I have noticed the same thing. Many instances of stutter and lag. This is definitely not a lag free device as many said it was. Chrome is fairly smooth but stutter is there sometimes. Facebook and play store are two of the worse culprits. I have tried clearing the cache, haven't factory reset because I have hardly any apps installed (no games). No phone is perfect but perormance is fairly good.
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Scrolling has almost been perfect for me . It's another story for my nexus 6 ,tho. Playstore always lags no matter what device you are browsing with. But it's barely noticeable on 6P.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/help/chrome-laggy-t3253466/page3 Might be this helps you
I have experienced this issue, but it seems to only happen when power-saver has kicked in (10% battery life for me).