Hi there,
As far as I could read, we now have a stable kernel(arter97) and a deodexed rom for the G928G.
With security in mind, regarding the Edge+, I am starting to feel that if I root my device, I will have a lot more posibilities concerning getting it more secure. For example, I would be able to use a firewall, uninstall default apps and bloatware, just for starters.
Otoh, a rooted device might be less secure if you are not careful... but I read recently that new malware is capable of rooting android so, basically that defeats my entire argument about not rooting it.
From your experience, would I be able to use a rooted device with arter97 kernel and the deodexed ROM above (without bloatware) securely?
In your opinion, what additional steps should I take?
Would I be able to revert to a stock ROM / original state that would enable me to use samsung pay, or rooting is a one way trip?
Are there any additional features that rooting would disable besides samsung pay (I also have a Sony Z3 and rooting it would disable taking high quality pictures with the camera)?
Thanks in advance!
I thought those were tough questions at first, but not that much
Ten days later, I have found an answer for question 3. Right now, afaik there is no way around a tripped Knox and there are no guarantees that it will ever be or in a near future.
I am still looking for ways of getting a more secure platform.
Started thinking about the original idea (ROM and kernel suggested), using a firewall, a VPN and a service like adguard as a local proxy.
Any further ideas?
Thank in advance!
Hello StealthNet,
StealthNet said:
From your experience, would I be able to use a rooted device with arter97 kernel and the deodexed ROM above (without bloatware) securely?
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Yes if you are carefull and not install hacked apps. Pay for your apps it's more secure (not always but more).
StealthNet said:
In your opinion, what additional steps should I take?
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I think my first advice is a good way .
StealthNet said:
Would I be able to revert to a stock ROM / original state that would enable me to use samsung pay, or rooting is a one way trip?
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For now it's a one way trip, as it's based on knox, if you trip know you will lose Samsung pay.
StealthNet said:
Are there any additional features that rooting would disable besides samsung pay (I also have a Sony Z3 and rooting it would disable taking high quality pictures with the camera)?
Thanks in advance!
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You will lose all Knox possibility. Samsung pay, and maybe some other thing. But I don't think you'll lose High Quality pictures.
Hope I answered you a bit .
Ok, so rooting = trip knox = disable (forever) all features that rely on it, like samsung pay.
One last question: let´s say I root it and use it rooted for some time. Will I be able to revert to a default samsung ROM even with KNOX void = 1? Once I get back to a default rom, will it update automatically or that will be broken?
StealthNet said:
Ok, so rooting = trip knox = disable (forever) all features that rely on it, like samsung pay.
One last question: let´s say I root it and use it rooted for some time. Will I be able to revert to a default samsung ROM even with KNOX void = 1? Once I get back to a default rom, will it update automatically or that will be broken?
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Yes you can go back to a default ROM (ie not custom status) but with knox void by just flashing a stock ROM via Odin - once knox is tripped it is always tripped and you will NOT be able to use Samsung Pay and there is no reset for Knox (Know=1), there are other pay methods that might work and some work when rooted too
StealthNet said:
Ok, so rooting = trip knox = disable (forever) all features that rely on it, like samsung pay.
One last question: let´s say I root it and use it rooted for some time. Will I be able to revert to a default samsung ROM even with KNOX void = 1? Once I get back to a default rom, will it update automatically or that will be broken?
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If you go on official samsung firmware I think you could have automatic update. I might say I never go back to samsung official rom when I installed custom rom, only when I sold my phone so I don't know if it update after lol.
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ezaechiel said:
If you go on official samsung firmware I think you could have automatic update. I might say I never go back to samsung official rom when I installed custom rom, only when I sold my phone so I don't know if it update after lol.
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LOL that´s exactly the reason behind my question... If I sell it some day at least make sure that updates are coming through...
The main reason I haven't rooted the phone is because of Samsung Pay, if you don't plan on utilizing it then by all means root the phone. And yes even if Knox is tripped you can still receive the updates, I have several rooted galaxy devices with Knox tripped and I still receive the updates. On a side note if you update a rooted phone you will most likely loose the root and have to re-root again.
Thank you! I guess the only drawback for me is a practical one. Every new update means that settings won't be preserved. Anyway I think I can live with that.
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Oh... following the procedure to root, I have learned that flashing the ROM is not mandatory. In other words, you flash a custom recovery, arter97´s kernel, install SuperSU and that´s it...
At this stage, will automatic update work?
(of course, I understand that if it does, it would reverse to a non-rooted device and I would have to do it again)...
Does rooting reset / wipe the device to factory settings?
StealthNet said:
Oh... following the procedure to root, I have learned that flashing the ROM is not mandatory. In other words, you flash a custom recovery, arter97´s kernel, install SuperSU and that´s it...
At this stage, will automatic update work?
(of course, I understand that if it does, it would reverse to a non-rooted device and I would have to do it again)...
Does rooting reset / wipe the device to factory settings?
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Yes, custom roms are mostly for added features but it is not mandatory.
Automatic Updates should work, and rooting/re-rooting does not wipe your phone.
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Hello,
1) How do I unroot my Note 3 SM-N900 model.
2) I know my warranty is void as I rooted the phone, but was just wondering if theres any way I could unroot and reset knox counter as well. I highly doubt this is possible but just wanted to confirm.
Thanks..
roni2915 said:
Hello,
1) How do I unroot my Note 3 SM-N900 model.
2) I know my warranty is void as I rooted the phone, but was just wondering if theres any way I could unroot and reset knox counter as well. I highly doubt this is possible but just wanted to confirm.
Thanks..
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1) There's an option on supersu for unroot, I've never tried it but if it doesn't work you could always flash a stock rom with odin.
2) There isn't yet. It's doubtful that there'll be a method to fix it but we can't know for sure. (In Chainfire we trust )
muhtesem insan said:
1) There's an option on supersu for unroot, I've never tried it but if it doesn't work you could always flash a stock rom with odin.
2) There isn't yet. It's doubtful that there'll be a method to fix it but we can't know for sure. (In Chainfire we trust )
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Chainfire mentioned himself that knox counter issue is hard to solve as it's integrated in android system as layer and there might not be a chance in future that knox issue can be solved. But still I had to root my device cause what's the use of an android device anyway if there's no freedom to root??? I think device manufacturers themselves should rather put an option at first boot to allow us to root our devices at first place instead of making things harder!!!
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Too many cases of idiots rooting these days. They grab one of those toolkits and use it to root without really bothering to take the time to understand what they are actually doing or what the risks are. Next thing they bricked it and they send it back to claim warranty. Either that or they succeed and do something dumb like over clocking until it starts smoking then claim warranty.
Of course there are plenty of competent modders out there too but there must be enough abortions going on that Samsung need to do something about it. They aren't actually stopping us from rooting mind, they are only safeguarding against fraudulent claims on warranty after it goes wrong.
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muhtesem insan said:
1) There's an option on supersu for unroot, I've never tried it but if it doesn't work you could always flash a stock rom with odin.
2) There isn't yet. It's doubtful that there'll be a method to fix it but we can't know for sure. (In Chainfire we trust )
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Can anyone confirm if option 1 is working?
Also, can I modify SM-N900 to work on AWS network (Wind Mobile/Mobilicity). I am thinking of selling this phone and getting the snapdragon version. and I have a buyer who wants to work the phone on wind.
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Too many cases of idiots rooting these days. They grab one of those toolkits and use it to root without really bothering to take the time to understand what they are actually doing or what the risks are. Next thing they bricked it and they send it back to claim warranty. Either that or they succeed and do something dumb like over clocking until it starts smoking then claim warranty.
Of course there are plenty of competent modders out there too but there must be enough abortions going on that Samsung need to do something about it. They aren't actually stopping us from rooting mind, they are only safeguarding against fraudulent claims on warranty after it goes wrong.
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I'm thinkin you are right. I have a buddy that works for one of the manufactures and they have a whole department dedicated to "returns". And return numbers are much much higher than they want them to be. So anything that will bring those numbers down at all, they will do!
I would also like to know if it is possible to unroot and reset knox on the n900.
As for the warranty goes, I think that if you bring the device back because the usb port or ear phone jack or the home button fails, this should be repaired regardless if you rooted your phone.
Can you overclock your home button? What about the power button and vol up?
Lol.
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does this work
Hello guys , just came across this link while surfing the net, it claims to restore warranty of rooted phone SM N 900. Please look at this. has anyone tried? please post results
http://theunlockr.com/2013/10/13/how-to-unroot-the-samsung-galaxy-note-3/
There are rooting methods without tripping Knox and in those cases removing root will bring phone back to original 100%, so to speak. However once tripped, I'm not aware of any way to undo Knox flag. The method above does not mention anything about Knox and I'm 90% sure it does not remove Knox flag, it just removes the root using Chainfire method.
However, rooted phone shows up as custom right away in about menu and it's easy to see, where Knox flag only shows up in download menu and it's more involved to find, therefore the chances are, unless it is Samsung service, they may not look or even care about Knox flag as long as it doesn't show custom/rooted, especially that Knox is only Samsung thing.
I agree 100% "genius" customers are the reason for all the blocks and lockdowns on our phones. I just read some thread about some Einstein calling customer care asking them for help in rooting the phone, I'm kidding you not and he went on and on how useless the service department is when they tried to explain that they not support custom programing etc.
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Chainfire mentioned himself that knox counter issue is hard to solve as it's integrated in android system as layer and there might not be a chance in future that knox issue can be solved. But still I had to root my device cause what's the use of an android device anyway if there's no freedom to root??? I think device manufacturers themselves should rather put an option at first boot to allow us to root our devices at first place instead of making things harder!!!
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I agree that manufacturers should allow for root access, however carriers would lose their minds. It (and im basing this on the sweat of others) appears that doing a hotspot that doesn't eat the data allowed by the carrier is super easy once root access is granted. But to the point, I agree that ROOT should be given as an option OTB.
CHEERS!
UNROOT GALAXY Note 3 (SM N 900)
I bought Samsung Galaxy Note 3 in USA. And the device is an unlocked to use in every operators in North, Central, South America and Caribbean. Actually I bought the phone to use in Sri Lanka, since it was not compatible in Sri Lanka I found a guy who unlock it. To be honest I didn't know that he was going to root my phone until I tried to update my phone. It says " The device has been modified..no updates are available" That guy has rooted the device in superSU.
But I want to unroot my phone to the factory status. And I tried my self to completely unroot in the setting of superSU. And I did it..but there were no any changes in the status of my phone "CUSTOM" And I uninstalled the superUS. When I install it again through Play Store, it says "There is no US binary installed.And Super US by cannot be installed"
So please tell me how to unroot my phone to the original status to update it. Because I tried to find the firmwares, the safest and easiest way of unrooting. But I could not find it as I do not know what's is my Region code and other related details. Can anyone tell me how to do it or can you send any links to download them please ? Attached photograph will show some details of my device details of firmware. If possible inbox me [email protected] or post on this page..Thank you so much.
good job
folks... this works great..... I recommend this...
I didn't find a topic about KNOX counter at least not in the S6 forums, I just wanted to make a topic where you can discuss what does or doesn't trip the KNOX counter.
In the past I have always flashed custom roms to all my devices, most of the times flashing a custom recovery was one of the first things I did. With this device I'm not sure what I'm going to do, it arrives later this week and I've read a lot of people are happy with with stock rom and don't see a benefit in voiding the warranty for de-bloating etc.
Do you care about KNOX warranty and it's features or not? If not why?
Things SHOULDN'T trip KNOX:
[ROOT] PingPongRoot ***S6 & S6 Edge Root Tool*** (Read instructions carefully!)
Things that do trip KNOX:
CF auto root
Flashing any unsigned image, whether a kernel, recovery or a custom ROM
From what I've read the only true importance of KNOX for the average user is the ability to use Samsung PAY. I'm waiting for it to be released and for people to test out the various roots/roms/exploits to see what trips knox, etc.
Although the stock ROM is good, I really wanna remove some of ATT's bloat :/ I'm sure a lot of people are in the same boat regarding carrier bloat.
I am still keeping my knox intact by ping pong root , i have removed many of the useless apps and installed some of my favorites apps for better battery management and used CSC Feature Expert for some tweaks . still waiting for custom rom that doesn't trip knox .
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From what I've read the only true importance of KNOX for the average user is the ability to use Samsung PAY. I'm waiting for it to be released and for people to test out the various roots/roms/exploits to see what trips knox, etc.
Although the stock ROM is good, I really wanna remove some of ATT's bloat :/ I'm sure a lot of people are in the same boat regarding carrier bloat.
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Why not use debloater to disable the bloat in the mean time?
I haven't received my device yet but here in Australia they use the 920I version and back home in Belgium they use global 920F model. On a few Australian forums I've read that Samsung Australia doesn't give warranty to overseas models. On Yatango they sold both the 920I and the 920F, so I decided that I would take the global 920F since I will have to go back to Europe eventually... Normally I have 1 year of warranty trough Yatango while in Australia.
And in Belgium we normally have 2 years of warranty and since I'm buying the international unlocked version they sell in Belgium there should be no reason for Samsung to refuse me warranty if necessary.
Normally rooting and flashing CMW/Cyanogenmod is the first thing I do after opening the box of my device, but with my previous phones I had to use the warranty every time. First my Xiaomi M2s got an unresponsive screen and ghost touches, I got a brand new one from Xiaomi sold it and bought a Oneplus one. Sadly the same thing happened to that device after a month, I sent it back and got a new one that one worked for half a year until I was in Australia for a week. Same problem... So 3 times so far I had to deal with horrible Chinese customer service and had to get trough a lot of hassle to replace it, but this time Oneplus refused me warranty because they don't ship/pick up in Australia. That is the mean reason I just went for a Samsung now because for 1 I hope there devices are built better and because I just want to be able to have normal warranty.
With Oneplus, Xiaomi, ZTE etc you can just flash the fastboot image and lock the bootloader again and they don't refuse warranty, but with the S6 it would be a real shame if they would not fix a hardware issue because KNOX is tripped. Hopefully I won't need warranty this time!
I will see how annoying all the bloat ware is and if I really have to remove it with root or if just hiding it will be enough.
Well, what does trip Knox besides custom ROM's? Custom kernels? Xposed? Adblock? I have no clue.
And my last Samsung device was the original Note which didn't have Knox. When I got my One M7 I sweared I wouldn't touch Samsung's phones again, especially with their Knox/eFuse shenanigans. But right now the S6 is one of the best choices out there..
Just some information I got from a different forum (gsm forum) about knox on other samsung devices. It appears that devices with snapdragon chips use efuses and once blown they can not be reset but devices with exynos store that information in a special partition that can be erased and reprogramed with special software AND hardware.
There is also some information here on XDA on the note 3 and knox: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2642207
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, I just wanted to make a topic where you can discuss what does or doesn't trip the KNOX counter.
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Flashing any unsigned image, whether a kernel, recovery or a custom ROM.
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LGSilva said:
Just some information I got from a different forum (gsm forum) about knox on other samsung devices. It appears that devices with snapdragon chips use efuses and once blown they can not be reset but devices with exynos store that information in a special partition that can be erased and reprogramed with special software AND hardware.
There is also some information here on XDA on the note 3 and knox: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2642207
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I wouldn't assume anything about the S6/S6E based on this.
Actually I have my Knox virgin, and I prefer to keep it this way, just because I don't want to perform a modify that can't be restored in the future (we may need it); and actually I don't feel the need for flashing anything that trips KNox, I'm happy with my stock rooted phone....
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Just some information I got from a different forum (gsm forum) about knox on other samsung devices. It appears that devices with snapdragon chips use efuses and once blown they can not be reset but devices with exynos store that information in a special partition that can be erased and reprogramed with special software AND hardware.
There is also some information here on XDA on the note 3 and knox: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2642207
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Thanks for this, hopefully some solution pops up for the S6 as well!
CafeKampuchia said:
Flashing any unsigned image, whether a kernel, recovery or a custom ROM..
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I'll add that to the first post thanks!
gpvecchi said:
Actually I have my Knox virgin, and I prefer to keep it this way, just because I don't want to perform a modify that can't be restored in the future (we may need it); and actually I don't feel the need for flashing anything that trips KNox, I'm happy with my stock rooted phone....
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Yea I think I'm going to keep it stock and root as well I think, just to get rid of the bloat ware. With what did you remove it?
You used this? http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6/general/safe-to-debloat-s6-threads-t3090383
KNOX Counter has the following benefits:
a. Even though your device is lost, the person who stole it cannot use it. Without your account, the device cannot be reset to factory settings and flashed with any ROM.
b. KNOX protects your private data and information with its advanced technology. Here is the official link to White Paper: An Overview of Samsung KNOX
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Is it really true that you can't factory reset or flash a rom without having my account? How about flashing stock trough odin? If this is true it would be a awesome feature if the device gets stolen they can't use it.
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Flashing any unsigned image, whether a kernel, recovery or a custom ROM.
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I wouldn't assume anything about the S6/S6E based on this.
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Well flashing a custom rom doesn't necessarily trip Knox. As long as you don't install a custom recovery you can flash a custom rom using flashfire.
morfini said:
Well flashing a custom rom doesn't necessarily trip Knox. As long as you don't install a custom recovery you can flash a custom rom using flashfire.
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That is in theory or you actually managed to flash a rom to your phone that way?
EDIT 1: They seem to be discussing that here as well: http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-galaxy-s6/general/flashfire-t3104060/page5
Flashing a recovery or a kernel will trip Knox...
Oh, I debloated manually...
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That is in theory or you actually managed to flash a rom to your phone that way?
EDIT 1: They seem to be discussing that here as well: http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-galaxy-s6/general/flashfire-t3104060/page5
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No, not yet because every rom here contains Aroma installer which is not supported yet by flashfire. However Chainfire claims this will happen eventually. On Verizon s6 there are already three custom roms which can be flashed with flashfire. Only o custom recovery or a custom kernel will trip knox.
I thought you could use flashfire for T-mobile and flash custom roms.. You just have to remove the boot.img and the script that installs the kernal from the .ZIP
Thought they got looper installed with flashfire
morfini said:
No, not yet because every rom here contains Aroma installer which is not supported yet by flashfire. However Chainfire claims this will happen eventually. On Verizon s6 there are already three custom roms which can be flashed with flashfire. Only o custom recovery or a custom kernel will trip knox.
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Yea I've seen your name pop up a lot in the flashfire topic, I've read some people successfully flashed a from without kernel trough flashfire. Guess we just have to be patient for now.
xposed ll trip knox?
I'm sitting here thinking like "Should I do it? Should I trip Knox? Should I install TWRP?"
I've rooted and flashed all my phones so far but there aren't any good ROMs yet for the S6 which would make that decision a really good one...
EpicLPer said:
I'm sitting here thinking like "Should I do it? Should I trip Knox? Should I install TWRP?"
I've rooted and flashed all my phones so far but there aren't any good ROMs yet for the S6 which would make that decision a really good one...
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Same here. I am itching to flash and root on this device but still waiting till at least one fully stable ROM for a daily driver.
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Do you care about KNOX warranty and it's features or not? If not why?
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I've been using iPhones for years before my S6. Every single iPhone I've had since the 3GS I've always jailbroken and hacked. I was certainly not going to care about Knox now that I have an android.
I'm using XtreStoLite ROM and loving it.
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mauley said:
Same here. I am itching to flash and root on this device but still waiting till at least one fully stable ROM for a daily driver.
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[URL="http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6/development/rom-xtrestolite-deodexed-mod-edition-1-0-t3094423"]Here is a fully stable and amazing ROM.
Hello,
I was wondering if the application "kingroot" is a good and trustable option to trust my device?
I also saw a site "oneclickroot.com" that looked intresting but after research I saw it's not trustable that they are out of your money.
Or what would you guys advice me?
It's not for intalling roms and so on. Just for other options that I want to root my device.
Greetings
CF-Auto-Root. It's the only way to go. And you can't without a PC.
ah owkey, and "kingroot" is unsafe then?
Oh and what about unrooting the device is that also possible with cf auto root?
And what about towelroot??
http://gs4.wonderhowto.com/how-to/root-any-samsung-galaxy-s4-one-click-0155622/
Avanox said:
And what about towelroot??
http://gs4.wonderhowto.com/how-to/root-any-samsung-galaxy-s4-one-click-0155622/
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Towelroot will simply not work on 5.0 (will reboot the phone after a while from clicking "make it ra1n" but no root access delivered)
For 4.4 you need GNF1 or older kernel for it to work - see HERE if you have newer version but still KK.
Ah ok and kingroot is also no option?
I m searching for the easyest way.
And is your way also possible to unroot?
The easiest way is CF-Autoroot, period. Flash it with the Odin software, let it deliver its payload, and you're done. If you want to unroot afterward, simply uninstall SuperSU.
Ah owkey so it's possible to unroot the device.
Will my warranty then not be rooted.
It's about galaxy s4
Some people talk about "trig Knox flag to 0x1?"
What is that???
Is it something with the warranty???
Because I don't want that my warranty is woided.
If I use your method and I must remove it with time the root.
Is this the application that I will need to reset the trig knox flag to 0x0 ???
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=eu.chainfire.triangleaway
Greetings
I believe it was @zelendel who brought this up on another thread, but he asks people what root is and why they need it. Since you're clearly new at this, I'm taking a page from his book.
1. What is root?
2. Why do you need root?
If you cannot answer both questions, you have no business nor need of rooting your S4. That said, there is an entire thread on Knox in the General forum that you should be reading if you want to know more. However, regardless of the methods used, if you root the Knox flag will be tripped. Once tripped, it stays tripped. There is no way to reset it, period.
Avanox said:
Ah owkey so it's possible to unroot the device.
Will my warranty then not be rooted.
It's about galaxy s4
Some people talk about "trig Knox flag to 0x1?"
What is that???
Is it something with the warranty???
Because I don't want that my warranty is woided.
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Knox is some kind of security crap from Samsung. You can find more about it in the s4 general section or by googling it.
Knox default status is 0x0.
Tripping knox to 0x1 will voind your warranty.
1. rooting the the device is to have acces to the root of the phone so you can do more with your phone.
2. I want to root it because I want to have following options enabled at my phone.
* Moving programs to my sd card (not possible anymore without rooting)
* More control over 3G/4G/Wifi/Gps (from my computer) when phone is lost
* Set a security code on the phone factory reset (with avast root edition)
* Using less battery to let greenpower auto disable the 3G or wifi and so on.
At the moment this are the most important things for me.
Flashing roms and so on doesn't intrest me now , because everything is working fine.
Greetings Avanox
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
I believe it was @zelendel who brought this up on another thread, but he asks people what root is and why they need it. Since you're clearly new at this, I'm taking a page from his book.
1. What is root?
2. Why do you need root?
If you cannot answer both questions, you have no business nor need of rooting your S4. That said, there is an entire thread on Knox in the General forum that you should be reading if you want to know more. However, regardless of the methods used, if you root the Knox flag will be tripped. Once tripped, it stays tripped. There is no way to reset it, period.
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Fantastic. The reason I asked was to get you to slow down a bit and think about what you're doing. Your previous posts in the thread were all over the place and gave the impression that you didn't know what you were doing.
Back to Knox, do you still have a warranty on the S4? Most units will be out of warranty, in which case it won't matter if you trip the Knox flag. If you're trying to preserve your warranty, it probably will not be possible due to changes to Android.
Strephon Alkhalikoi said:
Fantastic. The reason I asked was to get you to slow down a bit and think about what you're doing. Your previous posts in the thread were all over the place and gave the impression that you didn't know what you were doing.
Back to Knox, do you still have a warranty on the S4? Most units will be out of warranty, in which case it won't matter if you trip the Knox flag. If you're trying to preserve your warranty, it probably will not be possible due to changes to Android.
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Well yes I do have 2 year warranty because I did bought the galaxy s4 just 2 weeks ago, that's why I don't want to root it.
But if I could root it and still have the warranty on one or other way or set it back to normal , well that changes everything.
There are to much cool featers with this rooting stuff.
And also because I can't copy any files anymore to the sd card , stupidest change in android I've seen :'o
Greetings Avanox
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Fantastic. The reason I asked was to get you to slow down a bit and think about what you're doing. Your previous posts in the thread were all over the place and gave the impression that you didn't know what you were doing.
Back to Knox, do you still have a warranty on the S4? Most units will be out of warranty, in which case it won't matter if you trip the Knox flag. If you're trying to preserve your warranty, it probably will not be possible due to changes to Android.
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Ah owkey np.
Well yes I do have 2 year warranty because I did bought the galaxy s4 just 2 weeks ago, that's why I don't want to root it.
But if I could root it and still have the warranty on one or other way or set it back to normal , well that changes everything.
There are to much cool featers with this rooting stuff.
And also because I can't copy any files anymore to the sd card , stupidest change in android I've seen :'o
Greetings Avanox
So apparently you're still on Android 4.4.2, since Android 5.x removed the MicroSD card restriction. Is that correct?
As long as you are NOT on Android 5.x, you can root without tripping Knox, by downgrading the bootloader and modem to an earlier version, then running Towelroot. The drawback is that you won't be able to upgrade to Android 5.x. OTA updates won't function, and using Odin to upgrade wipes the /system partition, which will cost you root.
Regardless of the warranty, I personally would trip Knox and not lose any sleep over it.
Hey
Sorry for my double post.
Euh no, android 5.0.1 was already pre installed on this phone.
It is galaxy s4 black edition gt-i9515
Hmm maybe I must wait for a moment maybe there will come new safer methods
Greetings
The fact you have a value edition S4 changes things. You might as well flash CF-Autoroot now, because there are no safe methods for you. There are no custom ROMs either, but I digress.
@darrendude1: Rule number 1 of this site is to search before you post. The entire reason the rule is present is to avoid having people ask the same questions over and over again, simply because the question has likely been already answered. It applies regardless of whether you are a noob, senior member, recognized developer, or any other title the site may bestow.
In the case of the OP, you clearly didn't read the thread, because I explained to the OP exactly why I asked the questions. He understood why I asked them, and from there we have continued the conversation. To a noob, I would hope they would take rule 1 to heart, and actually did some research into what root is so they could actually explain why they think they need it.
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Is there way to root S7 Edge with out loosing warranty? I tried to google it but didnt find any methods that are safe. By safe I mean something that does not remove warranty.
Currently there is no guaranteed way to root without losing warranty. There maybe a work around by doing systemless root but that is still in the beta stage and may not be perfected for a while.
There are countless threads regarding this issue. There is no way to root the Exynos S7 (Edge) without tripping Knox, thus warranty. Systemless root will NEVER root a Samsung without tripping Knox. Systemless root modifies the kernel to achieve root. This will ALWAYS trigger the Knox counter. Flashing modified image = tripping Knox.
Even flashing a custom recovery kills the warranty unfortunately . Anything without Samsung Signature or with modified code, will break the warranty. And Samsung Signature will be ignored after knox has been set to 0x1, this way Your phone won't reset itself after flashing official rom.
Sort answer: No
Long answer: There is not
Thanks.
I was wondering how tripping warranty works? Does it send something to Samsung servers? I was just wondering if it would be possible to add something in hosts file to prevent it from happening?
Or does anyone know the location of binary that check for signature? In that case one could just modify that binary to accept everything.
The reason I got interested in rooting is that I have some bloatware that I cant uninstall. Forexample some yahoo thing that consumed 12 MB of datatransfer. There is no way to take away it's permission, and there is no uninstall option and when I try to remove it with adb shell (using rm command in /system/app for that) it says file system is readonly.
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Thanks.
I was wondering how tripping warranty works? Does it send something to Samsung servers? I was just wondering if it would be possible to add something in hosts file to prevent it from happening?
Or does anyone know the location of binary that check for signature? In that case one could just modify that binary to accept everything.
The reason I got interested in rooting is that I have some bloatware that I cant uninstall. Forexample some yahoo thing that consumed 12 MB of datatransfer. There is no way to take away it's permission, and there is no uninstall option and when I try to remove it with adb shell (using rm command in /system/app for that) it says file system is readonly.
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Just disable yahoo, or install package disabler and disable all the bloat from there
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Just disable yahoo, or install package disabler and disable all the bloat from there
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There is no way to disable it I'll tried some uninstaller app and it did not manage to kill it..
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There is no way to disable it I'll tried some uninstaller app and it did not manage to kill it..
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ospolice.packagedisablerpro
http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/software/debloater-remove-carrier-bloat-t2998294
Both are working fine, but you can't delete it without root, just disable.
I love how Samsung have become everything I hated about Apple. I own an S7 Edge and I'm half considering selling it for a Xiaomi. I get equal warranty with a Xiaomi, but I can get the phone for like £100.
Seems to be confusion between tripping Knox and warranty here. You can't "trip warranty". In some countries, tripping Knox voids your warranty, but not all. I had my Edge+ fixed twice under warranty, no problem - informed the dealer that I'd removed Knox 30 minutes after purchase, they said it was fine. Same with my son's Note 3.
Unfortunately the only way to be sure is flash a recovery and/or root, bork your phone, and see what happens?
I had few questions raising in my mind:
1) Will ripping warranty also disable software updates?
2) How important is warranty for S7 Edge? Does this phone break easily? My friend told me that Samsung phones will have all kinds of defects and that I am very likely to need warranty, but what about S7 Edge? What's the chances that I need warranty in 2 years given that the phone was brand new when I brought it few months ago?
1) Rooting will break OTA update, so you will have to update software by flashing it manually (which is easy, but still)
2) You can never know. Had a Note 4, thought it would never fail, in the end it did and I needed warranty. That's why I am staying away from it on my S7 edge, too expensive in case of failure. And in my country they're strict with Knox
No way till now.
And in my country they're strict with Knox
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How do I get to know which countries are strict with Knox and which are not? So after rooting I get no updates at all or it only means I wont get automatically android 7 when Samsung decides to release it?
Isn't there way that I write something smart in hosts file and then Samsung wont get notified?
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Elaborate ?
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How do I get to know which countries are strict with Knox and which are not?
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By hearing experiences from users around the globe. There's no list or something
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So after rooting I get no updates at all or it only means I wont get automatically android 7 when Samsung decides to release it
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You don't get any OTA updates any more
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Isn't there way that I write something smart in hosts file and then Samsung wont get notified?
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Unnecessary, Samsung doesn't get notified online or over the Internet from your device
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How do I get to know which countries are strict with Knox and which are not? So after rooting I get no updates at all or it only means I wont get automatically android 7 when Samsung decides to release it?
Isn't there way that I write something smart in hosts file and then Samsung wont get notified?
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From my experience and hearing from users around the world, central and southern Europe seem to be very strict regarding warranty and tripped Knox. Some countries in eastern Europe, northern Europe are less strict about it.
The Arab peninsula doesn't seem to care at all about Knox and warranty. Don't know much about African countries. Heard users saying they do and don't care about a tripped Knox. Never heard about issues from the United States about warranty and tripped Knox.
Feel free to correct me.
1) Does it only mean no updates for samsung software or no update at all? I mean would it also breaks updates for lets say firefox or vlc or termux (which are not shipped by samsung)?
What do you mean by "flashing it manually" Like manually reinsali firefox when I want newer version of it? Or that I only have to flash manually when I want to update OS?
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There are countless threads regarding this issue. There is no way to root the Exynos S7 (Edge) without tripping Knox, thus warranty. Systemless root will NEVER root a Samsung without tripping Knox. Systemless root modifies the kernel to achieve root. This will ALWAYS trigger the Knox counter. Flashing modified image = tripping Knox.
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What are side effects of tripping knox besides loosing warranty? Will i loose any features?
Curiosity got the better of me, and I just installed a custom recovery and a custom rom on my S8.
Obviously the knox warranty void thing now reads 0x1.
I wish I hadn't bothered as custom rom doesn't run as stable and nice as the factory EE firmware that was on my phone before
I'm going to revert my phone back to original firmware with Odin later. Could anyone advise me whether it is possible to reset the Knox 0x1 thing back to original 0x0? I'm guessing not. If that's the case, how will this affect things when I'm back on original firmware? Will I still recieve OTA updates in the usual way etc.? What are the disadvantages apart from the void warranty?
Joe
u cant revert e-fuse knox bit. losing it means lose for good.
all secure apps like samsungpay, some banking app, etc wont work.
tripped knox shud still avail to receive OTA but rooting prohibit it & OTA needs original stock recovery to work.
JoeDarbyd said:
Curiosity got the better of me, and I just installed a custom recovery and a custom rom on my S8.
Obviously the knox warranty void thing now reads 0x1.
I wish I hadn't bothered as custom rom doesn't run as stable and nice as the factory EE firmware that was on my phone before
I'm going to revert my phone back to original firmware with Odin later. Could anyone advise me whether it is possible to reset the Knox 0x1 thing back to original 0x0? I'm guessing not. If that's the case, how will this affect things when I'm back on original firmware? Will I still recieve OTA updates in the usual way etc.? What are the disadvantages apart from the void warranty?
Joe
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Knoxed is knoxed. Can't reset that one. You can of course flash original firmware back with Odin if you wish. But Samsung Pay will never work. S-Health might work, but i'm not sure if you need custom rom to make it work (with magisk)
OTA's will come as usual even with knoxed device if you are on original firmware. (not rooted)
Thanks for your advice! I have no intention of using Samsung Pay, but DO use Android Pay. Will it still work when I've reverted back?
Joe
JoeDarbyd said:
Thanks for your advice! I have no intention of using Samsung Pay, but DO use Android Pay. Will it still work when I've reverted back?
Joe
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Without further investigation i don't believe android pay will care about knox being 0x1. But with root it won't work. (again, maybe with magisk).
I tested this last week and I had no issues using either Android Pay or Samsung Pay on my rooted s8+. I just hid the root from the apps in magisk and I was good to go. Knox is obviously tripped so I dont think that's a deal breaker.
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I tested this last week and I had no issues using either Android Pay or Samsung Pay on my rooted s8+. I just hid the root from the apps in magisk and I was good to go. Knox is obviously tripped so I dont think that's a deal breaker.
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I guarantee you, that won't last.
By the time a security/knox upgrade comes in the Magisk hide loophole will be patched.
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I guarantee you, that won't last.
By the time a security/knox upgrade comes in the Magisk hide loophole will be patched.
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Wouldn't bother me for a few reasons.
1. I rarely use NFC pay as it is.
2. I don't use Samsung or Android Pay, I only installed and tested them because of all the fuss going on over people afraid of losing the feature.
3. My bank ANZ Australia has their own NFC mobile pay app that I like better anyways.
Just wanted to clarify for some users that as of right now on the current up-to-date firmware, you can certainly use these NFC pay features. Whether that changes in the future and and how soon is anyone's guess.