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Hey guys,
I've read lots of articles about Knox and the whole eFuse thing but the more I read the more unsure I get about rooting my S4 mini. Because of this and because I think you don't get any S4s without "activated" Knox Bootloader anymore I thought it would be helpful for all S4 mini owners (and maybe all Knox device owners in general) to list all downsides and also rumors about "blowing the eFuse" to hopefully take away some of the fears.
I think it's already clear that you could loose your warranty if you got a 0x1 flag. Which doesn't seem to affect EU people But anyway, I'd rather like to get a list of all the irreversible consequences with your device itself when rooting etc:
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The answers in green = positive or red = negative show the current state according to the replies in here, If you have other experiences please let us know.
[ROOTING tripping KNOX 0x1]
Are there any irreversible malfunctions when rooting your device (especially the GT-I9195) and turning to "knox warranty void 0x1"?
Are all (pre-installed) apps - except the Knox apps - still working as they should on rooted stock roms (s-apps, cam, calendar,..)?
[GOING BACK TO DEFAULT FACTORY STATUS]
Regarding the software only:
can you go back to 100% factory status (unrooted, stock etc) with a "Knox Warranty Void 0x1?
- Yes, according to iPAQS4 you can go back with no malfunctions
Do you get the Knox warnings again?
No, according to iPAQS4
Are there any other app or system malfunctions?
- No
Is it true that OTA updates won't work anymore once you tripped your knox flag?
- No, according to iPAQS4 they still work
Is it possible to get official updates via Kies / USB cable still?
- Yes, according to iPAQS4
[FAILURES ROOTING, KNOX]
Regarding the Knox environment only, not self-caused rooting failures:
can there else go anything wrong that can't be undone like breaking important hardware?
or is there a higher chance to brick your device with Knox than without?
is an intact eFuse required by some other hardware (NFC, etc)?
Are there any other known problems/downsides?
Here is an interesting article about all myths & truths about Knox. It's very informative and also answers a few of my questions: http://androidforums.com/boost-mobi...t/807188-guide-q-myths-truths-about-knox.html
Honky-Tonk said:
Hey guys,
I've read lots of articles about Knox and the whole eFuse thing but the more I read the more unsure I get about rooting my S4 mini. Because of this and because I think you don't get any S4s without "activated" Knox Bootloader anymore I thought it would be helpful for all S4 mini owners (and maybe all Knox device owners in general) to list all downsides and also rumors about "blowing the eFuse" to hopefully take away some of the fears.
I think it's already clear that you can loose your warranty if you got a 0x1 flag. But I'd rather like to get a list of all the irreversivble consequences with your device itself when rooting etc:
Can you go back to stock Rom (un-rooted) with a "Knox Warranty Void 0x1"? And with which problems do you have to deal (software warnings, malfunctions...)?
Can you still get official Samsung updates via Kies or over unofficial channels?
Are there any known hardware or software malfunctions because of the broken eFuse?
Are there any other known problems/downsides?
@ all_experienced_owners: would you still recommend rooting a Knox device or breaking the eFuse?
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If you flash stock ROM (XXUBML1 for example) via Odin, the System Status will turn back to Official but of course the Knox flag remains 0x1.
Kies will also recognize your phone.
I don't know whether Kies/OTA updates will work, I never used/saw them.
If you don't care about warranty I recommend rooting
ladislav.heller said:
If you flash stock ROM (XXUBML1 for example) via Odin, the System Status will turn back to Official but of course the Knox flag remains 0x1.
Kies will also recognize your phone.
I don't know whether Kies/OTA updates will work, I never used/saw them.
If you don't care about warranty I recommend rooting
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According to other posts OTA updates won't work anymore, unfortunately. Does anyone else know if updates via Kies/ USB cable will still work?
Have there been any Knox warnings when going back to stock again? It always says to disable all Knox apps once you have rooted your phone but back on un-rooted stock this is not possible, I guess?! So I think you will get these warnings again, don't you?
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Honky-Tonk said:
According to other posts OTA updates won't work anymore, unfortunately. Does anyone else know if updates via Kies/ USB cable will still work?
Have there been any Knox warnings when going back to stock again? It always says to disable all Knox apps once you have rooted your phone but back on un-rooted stock this is not possible, I guess?! So I think you will get these warnings again, don't you?
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Updates via Kies/ USB cable will still work.
Going back to stock is posible whitout extra knox warnings. Knox will behave as before.
iPAQS4 said:
Updates via Kies/ USB cable will still work.
Going back to stock is posible whitout extra knox warnings. Knox will behave as before.
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Sounds great, so you can always go back to original phone status (except your Bootloader and the OTA updates)? Just to make sure: you tripped Knox warranty void to 0x1, right?
What about rooted status (stock rom), did you notice any malfunctions with any apps, especially the s-apps?
Which rooting method did you use?
Thx
Honky-Tonk said:
I think it's already clear that you can loose your warranty if you got a 0x1 flag. But I'd rather like to get a list of all the irreversivble consequences with your device itself when rooting etc:
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Not if you're in the EU. Under legislation, companies aren't allowed to void a warranty because of a software change etc (eg if a piece of hardware fails, they can't turn around and say you rooted your phone so you're not covered).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801
You can use this method to root with out trip the Knox flag: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2565758
I've tried it on mine i9190 without any issue.
Honky-Tonk said:
Sounds great, so you can always go back to original phone status (except your Bootloader and the OTA updates)? Just to make sure: you tripped Knox warranty void to 0x1, right?
What about rooted status (stock rom), did you notice any malfunctions with any apps, especially the s-apps?
Which rooting method did you use?
Thx
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When you go back to original phone status OTA updates will olso work and there are no malfunctions with any apps.
iPAQS4 said:
When you go back to original phone status OTA updates will olso work and there are no malfunctions with any apps.
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really ??
i updated once via kies to the latest firmware and my gt-i9195 was useless, could not turn on wifi and it was lagging a lot and etc...
so i needed to flash it back to my previus firmware version...
nibb-1 said:
really ??
i updated once via kies to the latest firmware and my gt-i9195 was useless, could not turn on wifi and it was lagging a lot and etc...
so i needed to flash it back to my previus firmware version...
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I unrooted my phone by flashing it with the original firmware with odin and than wipe data/ factory reset in recovery mode.
After that my phone had a ota from MJ7 to ML4.
If you recently bought the phone, I don't recommend rooting (although I rooted the phone the same day I bought it) If you really don't care about the warranty and the OTA updates, root your phone. I literally can do nothing without root.
As we heard today, our S4 Mini will update to 4.4.2 so I don't recommend rooting until it is out so you cqn get the OTA update.
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Sky91 said:
Not if you're in the EU. Under legislation, companies aren't allowed to void a warranty because of a software change etc (eg if a piece of hardware fails, they can't turn around and say you rooted your phone so you're not covered).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801
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Good to know, thank's a lot
Sky91 said:
Not if you're in the EU. Under legislation, companies aren't allowed to void a warranty because of a software change etc (eg if a piece of hardware fails, they can't turn around and say you rooted your phone so you're not covered).
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801
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Thx, yes that makes sense. I've also read a few articles about the warranty facts and always wondered why sellers can refuse warranty just because of the "wrong" software. I mean I never heard of anything like that with personal computers, notebooks etc. Would be very interesting, though if a mainboard manufacturer doesn't give warranty and claims that Windows, OSX, Linux etc destroyed it because you used it as an Admin . So actually I think, this regulation should apply world wide not only in the EU.
But we should keep in mind that warranty is not the same as guaranty which is probably really gone with a void 0x1 flag?! However it's great (at least for European people) to have a last hope in mind!
But the reason I wanted to list all downsides is to make sure that you can also root Knox system without any hesitation - to keep the fun for rooting so to say
iPAQS4 said:
I unrooted my phone by flashing it with the original firmware with odin and than wipe data/ factory reset in recovery mode.
After that my phone had a ota from MJ7 to ML4.
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I just found this article about all myths & truths about Knox http://androidforums.com/boost-mobi...t/807188-guide-q-myths-truths-about-knox.html
It's very informative but I'm now confused again because the Article says that you can't use Knox apps anymore, once you tripped the flag:
"[...]If the KNOX warranty void line says 0x1 then you cannot use KNOX software as your device has been flagged as insecure.[...]"
Does this only concern additional Knox Apps not the default ones which produce the warning messages? Or are the Knox Apps just no installed anymore when going back on a 0x1 device or kind of deactivated by default? Could you check that?
RoyaLKurTx3 said:
If you recently bought the phone, I don't recommend rooting (although I rooted the phone the same day I bought it) If you really don't care about the warranty and the OTA updates, root your phone. I literally can do nothing without root.
As we heard today, our S4 Mini will update to 4.4.2 so I don't recommend rooting until it is out so you cqn get the OTA update.
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Thx, I personally don't care about warranty. So this was really rather meant to only treat the functional downsides if there are any at all. I wanted to make sure to not have a trash phone with lots of battery drain or even worse: some irreversible hardware malfunctions after rooting. I'm also looking forward to KitKat but I doubt that the update will remove Knox again since even the army is already working together with Samsung now!
But according to iPAQS4 you can't do so much wrong with rooting (regarding the Knox environment of course)?!
Honky-Tonk said:
Thx, yes that makes sense. I've also read a few articles about the warranty facts and always wondered why sellers can refuse warranty just because of the "wrong" software. I mean I never heard of anything like that with personal computers, notebooks etc. Would be very interesting, though if a mainboard manufacturer doesn't give warranty and claims that Windows, OSX, Linux etc destroyed it because you used it as an Admin . So actually I think, this regulation should apply world wide not only in the EU.
But we should keep in mind that warranty is not the same as guaranty which is probably really gone with a void 0x1 flag?! However it's great (at least for European people) to have a last hope in mind!
But the reason I wanted to list all downsides is to make sure that you can also root Knox system without any hesitation - to keep the fun for rooting so to say
I just found this article about all myths & truths about Knox http://androidforums.com/boost-mobi...t/807188-guide-q-myths-truths-about-knox.html
It's very informative but I'm now confused again because the Article says that you can't use Knox apps anymore, once you tripped the flag:
"[...]If the KNOX warranty void line says 0x1 then you cannot use KNOX software as your device has been flagged as insecure.[...]"
Does this only concern additional Knox Apps not the default ones which produce the warning messages? Or are the Knox Apps just no installed anymore when going back on a 0x1 device or kind of deactivated by default? Could you check that?
Thx, I personally don't care about warranty. So this was really rather meant to only treat the functional downsides if there are any at all. I wanted to make sure to not have a trash phone with lots of battery drain or even worse: some irreversible hardware malfunctions after rooting. I'm also looking forward to KitKat but I doubt that the update will remove Knox again since even the army is already working together with Samsung now!
But according to iPAQS4 you can't do so much wrong with rooting (regarding the Knox environment of course)?!
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I will flash a new ROM and I'll see if the KNOX stays like it was. But I'll do that later today or tomorrow.
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Honky-Tonk said:
I just found this article about all myths & truths about Knox
It's very informative but I'm now confused again because the Article says that you can't use Knox apps anymore, once you tripped the flag:
"[...]If the KNOX warranty void line says 0x1 then you cannot use KNOX software as your device has been flagged as insecure.[...]"
Does this only concern additional Knox Apps not the default ones which produce the warning messages? Or are the Knox Apps just no installed anymore when going back on a 0x1 device or kind of deactivated by default? Could you check that?
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According myths & truths about Knox
If the KNOX warranty void line says 0x1 then you cannot use KNOX software as your device has been flagged as insecure. By this I mean that if your workplace / company supports bring your own device to work for corporate emails etc and they use KNOX to keep security your device will not allow this. You are still able to use future Samsung firmware releases with the KNOX flag 0x1.
Confirmed. If you flash a new ROM TWICE, your KNOX counter will get 0x0. It will look like it is new.
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RoyaLKurTx3 said:
Confirmed. If you flash a new ROM TWICE, your KNOX counter will get 0x0. It will look like it is new.
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Is your phone knox previously tripped 0x1 and when you flash new rom twice become 0x0 ? thanks
rnbeez said:
Is your phone knox previously tripped 0x1 and when you flash new rom twice become 0x0 ? thanks
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Yep.
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Yep.
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wiered it needs more researching .. mate knox flag is nearly impossible to reset and you are sayin flashing a stock rom twice fixes it !!
Hello all,
I searched the forums round and round, and couldn't find my answers so I hope you will be able to help me out.
i'm looking for a new phone and decided I want to go with the S5. that was before i learned about KNOX and it's wonderful ways.
i'm a heavy modder, who will most definitely use a custom recovery and ROM/kernel.
my questions are:
1. would it be possible to flash a custom recovery / rom / kernel / modem despite KNOX being preset?
2. other then getting this 0x1 and voiding my official warranty, are there any other result to this? will something not work?
3. assuming I get an unlocked international phone, is there any need to mess/change my FW? or is that just part of guides for rooting without tripping KNOX ?
Basically, I want to be sure that I could do whatever I want to the phone without getting stuck or turning it unusable because of KNOX. my current phone is a Nexus 4 and it has been heaven. I want to preserve this feeling
thanks for the help guys, appreciate it!
Did you tried Towelroot method for rooting your device? I heard that doesn't trigger knox..
I would imagine my rooting the phone is the least of my worries.
as far as I know - and this is one of my questions - flashing a custom recovery and or rom will 100% trip KNOX.
not that I care, I just need to know if this is true..and my other questions as well
thanks!
A brief answer
If you - as you say "i'm a heavy modder" Samsung phones are not for you
I've heard tales of people having issues flashing modems when knox is triggered. I have not checked that out for myself Joe have I searched any further into the matter.
I plan on breaking knox soon though because screw knox.
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chainbr3ak said:
A brief answer
If you - as you say "i'm a heavy modder" Samsung phones are not for you
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This answer really worries me to be honest.
could you elaborate?
I don't really care about KNOX, and as long as I can mod away and jump back and forth between modems/roms/kernels - I don't care for the warranty.
If indeed there is truth in the matter, and modem flashing will become a problem if KNOX is tripped, then this would be a deal breaker for me on this phone.
anyone care to add more info here?
Amornik said:
This answer really worries me to be honest.
could you elaborate?
I don't really care about KNOX, and as long as I can mod away and jump back and forth between modems/roms/kernels - I don't care for the warranty.
If indeed there is truth in the matter, and modem flashing will become a problem if KNOX is tripped, then this would be a deal breaker for me on this phone.
anyone care to add more info here?
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You can, but you will always have problems like network, connection,calls, bugs and so on
Samsung devices do not provide the old pleasure as previously
Knox killed freedom of developers and people who like customizations
I would really appreciate an answer from someone who knows for sure.
does tripping KNOX disables the option to upgrade/downgrade the modem?
Amornik said:
I would really appreciate an answer from someone who knows for sure.
does tripping KNOX disables the option to upgrade/downgrade the modem?
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No, KNOX tripping is only at the moment a warranty void solution for samsung. its like the flash count flags.
basically if you trip knox. you're already in it. you do what you want
Amornik said:
I would really appreciate an answer from someone who knows for sure.
does tripping KNOX disables the option to upgrade/downgrade the modem?
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I bought my phone with ANCE firmware and the KNOX was tripped in the first hour by CF-AutoRoot. Now I'm on ANG2, flashed with Odin and the modem is updated correctly.
Dark_Avenger said:
I bought my phone with ANCE firmware and the KNOX was tripped in the first hour by CF-AutoRoot. Now I'm on ANG2, flashed with Odin and the modem is updated correctly.
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Now i'm a bit confused when you say you upgrade the FW, you mean the modem baseband, right ?
Amornik said:
Now i'm a bit confused when you say you upgrade the FW, you mean the modem baseband, right ?
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Exactly, but with full stock image flush (including bootloader). The full stock tar.md5 form sammobile includes the modem/bootloader/rom. I think that the important thing is to have a modem which is compatible with the bootloader (same version). Didn't try to mix different bootloader/modem(baseband) versions.
Tripping KNOX will only disable the feature which allows you to store some data on a encrypted part of the device (Mostly comercial use) when KNOX is tripped any data stored on the 'special' partition is destroyed.
So there are only 2 things that will be affected, your warranty (Not a problem in Europe) and the special partition that I explained earlier.
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Thanks guys, excellent replies !
So...I did it !
I went and bought a brand new S5, and tripped KNOX within the hour. Man, did it feel sooo good !
custom recovery up, rom up, here we go!
Hi there,
As far as I could read, we now have a stable kernel(arter97) and a deodexed rom for the G928G.
With security in mind, regarding the Edge+, I am starting to feel that if I root my device, I will have a lot more posibilities concerning getting it more secure. For example, I would be able to use a firewall, uninstall default apps and bloatware, just for starters.
Otoh, a rooted device might be less secure if you are not careful... but I read recently that new malware is capable of rooting android so, basically that defeats my entire argument about not rooting it.
From your experience, would I be able to use a rooted device with arter97 kernel and the deodexed ROM above (without bloatware) securely?
In your opinion, what additional steps should I take?
Would I be able to revert to a stock ROM / original state that would enable me to use samsung pay, or rooting is a one way trip?
Are there any additional features that rooting would disable besides samsung pay (I also have a Sony Z3 and rooting it would disable taking high quality pictures with the camera)?
Thanks in advance!
I thought those were tough questions at first, but not that much
Ten days later, I have found an answer for question 3. Right now, afaik there is no way around a tripped Knox and there are no guarantees that it will ever be or in a near future.
I am still looking for ways of getting a more secure platform.
Started thinking about the original idea (ROM and kernel suggested), using a firewall, a VPN and a service like adguard as a local proxy.
Any further ideas?
Thank in advance!
Hello StealthNet,
StealthNet said:
From your experience, would I be able to use a rooted device with arter97 kernel and the deodexed ROM above (without bloatware) securely?
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Yes if you are carefull and not install hacked apps. Pay for your apps it's more secure (not always but more).
StealthNet said:
In your opinion, what additional steps should I take?
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I think my first advice is a good way .
StealthNet said:
Would I be able to revert to a stock ROM / original state that would enable me to use samsung pay, or rooting is a one way trip?
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For now it's a one way trip, as it's based on knox, if you trip know you will lose Samsung pay.
StealthNet said:
Are there any additional features that rooting would disable besides samsung pay (I also have a Sony Z3 and rooting it would disable taking high quality pictures with the camera)?
Thanks in advance!
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You will lose all Knox possibility. Samsung pay, and maybe some other thing. But I don't think you'll lose High Quality pictures.
Hope I answered you a bit .
Ok, so rooting = trip knox = disable (forever) all features that rely on it, like samsung pay.
One last question: let´s say I root it and use it rooted for some time. Will I be able to revert to a default samsung ROM even with KNOX void = 1? Once I get back to a default rom, will it update automatically or that will be broken?
StealthNet said:
Ok, so rooting = trip knox = disable (forever) all features that rely on it, like samsung pay.
One last question: let´s say I root it and use it rooted for some time. Will I be able to revert to a default samsung ROM even with KNOX void = 1? Once I get back to a default rom, will it update automatically or that will be broken?
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Yes you can go back to a default ROM (ie not custom status) but with knox void by just flashing a stock ROM via Odin - once knox is tripped it is always tripped and you will NOT be able to use Samsung Pay and there is no reset for Knox (Know=1), there are other pay methods that might work and some work when rooted too
StealthNet said:
Ok, so rooting = trip knox = disable (forever) all features that rely on it, like samsung pay.
One last question: let´s say I root it and use it rooted for some time. Will I be able to revert to a default samsung ROM even with KNOX void = 1? Once I get back to a default rom, will it update automatically or that will be broken?
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If you go on official samsung firmware I think you could have automatic update. I might say I never go back to samsung official rom when I installed custom rom, only when I sold my phone so I don't know if it update after lol.
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ezaechiel said:
If you go on official samsung firmware I think you could have automatic update. I might say I never go back to samsung official rom when I installed custom rom, only when I sold my phone so I don't know if it update after lol.
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LOL that´s exactly the reason behind my question... If I sell it some day at least make sure that updates are coming through...
The main reason I haven't rooted the phone is because of Samsung Pay, if you don't plan on utilizing it then by all means root the phone. And yes even if Knox is tripped you can still receive the updates, I have several rooted galaxy devices with Knox tripped and I still receive the updates. On a side note if you update a rooted phone you will most likely loose the root and have to re-root again.
Thank you! I guess the only drawback for me is a practical one. Every new update means that settings won't be preserved. Anyway I think I can live with that.
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Oh... following the procedure to root, I have learned that flashing the ROM is not mandatory. In other words, you flash a custom recovery, arter97´s kernel, install SuperSU and that´s it...
At this stage, will automatic update work?
(of course, I understand that if it does, it would reverse to a non-rooted device and I would have to do it again)...
Does rooting reset / wipe the device to factory settings?
StealthNet said:
Oh... following the procedure to root, I have learned that flashing the ROM is not mandatory. In other words, you flash a custom recovery, arter97´s kernel, install SuperSU and that´s it...
At this stage, will automatic update work?
(of course, I understand that if it does, it would reverse to a non-rooted device and I would have to do it again)...
Does rooting reset / wipe the device to factory settings?
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Yes, custom roms are mostly for added features but it is not mandatory.
Automatic Updates should work, and rooting/re-rooting does not wipe your phone.
Does Samsung Pay work on U?
I'm trying to go back to stock because root is too laggy. Want to use U firmware, but does Samsung Pay work?
twe90kid said:
Does Samsung Pay work on U?
I'm trying to go back to stock because root is too laggy. Want to use U firmware, but does Samsung Pay work?
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Yes, just fine.
Yes it works. Currently using G935UUEU4APL4.
What's the advantage of UFirmware? From what I've read, it has less bloatware but just eats a lot of battery.
unkellsam said:
What's the advantage of UFirmware? From what I've read, it has less bloatware but just eats a lot of battery.
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It reportedly consumed more battery on rooted devices, unrooted should be fine, though I have had no problem running on it (though I have a fair bit of adjustments applied). The U-Firmware performs better for me and a friend immediately noticed how much smoother his phone performed after switching. Wifi calling still works, though I think you loose VOLTE & vide calling. Less bloat could probably lead to better battery anyways, though to be safe you could always switch to apk1 and wait for Nougat.
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Wifi calling still works, though I think you loose VOLTE & vide calling.
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On T-Mobile VoLTE still works, but the built-in video calling is absent on the U firmware.
I thought after you tripped Knox by rooting there was no going back, and Samsung Pay is permanently broken. Is that not the case?
Rooting does not trip Knox.
DOMF said:
Rooting does not trip Knox.
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Rooting does trip Knox. Flashing OEM firmware via Odin doesn't. Once you trip Knox, Samsung pay will not work anymore.
To answer OP's question, yes it works. I've been rocking G935U latest firmware on my T-Mobile Variant and works beautifully. I strongly suggest you move to U firmware.
KamikazeModder said:
Rooting does trip Knox. Flashing OEM firmware via Odin doesn't. Once you trip Knox, Samsung pay will not work anymore.
To answer OP's question, yes it works. I've been rocking G935U latest firmware on my T-Mobile Variant and works beautifully. I strongly suggest you move to U firmware.
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Huh. That's very odd because I've rooted my S7E several times and I'm still 0x0 and I'm not rooted anymore because I like the use of Samsung Pay.
Don't think that what you're saying is accurate.
Binary100100 said:
Huh. That's very odd because I've rooted my S7E several times and I'm still 0x0 and I'm not rooted anymore because I like the use of Samsung Pay.
Don't think that what you're saying is accurate.
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That's weird that it doesn't trip yours. All the posts I've seen on XDA and everywhere else say it does. Did you go as far as flashing a new recovery? I've tripped mine on my Note 4 before (not doing on my s7e because I still like to play it safe). How did you root yours? If that doesn't trip Knox, then Samsung just had a major mishap on their security. Good for you then. :good:
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That's weird that it doesn't trip yours. All the posts I've seen on XDA and everywhere else say it does. Did you go as far as flashing a new recovery? I've tripped mine on my Note 4 before (not doing on my s7e because I still like to play it safe). How did you root yours? If that doesn't trip Knox, then Samsung just had a major mishap on their security. Good for you then. :good:
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We can't flash a new recovery because the bootloader is locked.
You're writing in the T-Mobile forum man.
None of our Knox is tripped. We get root through an engineering kernel and flash through Flashfire.
Samsung Pay doesn't work but our Knox is still 0x0.
Pretty sure the only root that trips Knox is CF-Autoroot that you flash through odin, that's only available for the F model and the china snapdragon model.
i have previously rooted my S7 Edge, but I am now looking to sell it, so I already put it back to factory settings and stock rom, Now when I try to open Samsung pay it says unauthorized modifications have been made to my device so it cant use Samsung pay. Is there a way to fix this and keep the phone on a stock rom?
No currently known method. You have irreversibly tripped your Knox e fuse by rooting it. Rendering Samsung pay permanently disabled.
Maybe you can sell it as rooted? Not sure how the second hand market for phones work, but maybe more desirable to some?
I won't ever use Samsung Pay. But Samsung's ridiculous insistence of permanently marking a phone that has had any form of customisation (remember, more than just rooting trips Knox) and then disabling a service they offer as a result, even if you take that phone completely back to stock, is precisely why my S7E is the last from them I'll buy.
F**k them, in short.
i thought if you just reflash it with the original firmware through odin, you'll be able to use it back. I did it with my rooted verizon s7edge, then reflash it with u firmware and i can just use samsung pay normally.
You're mistaken. If you rooted your phone, you tripped Knox, which on this architecture is an efuse that you can't rectify. This will stop Samsung Pay working indefinitely no matter what ROM you run, stock or otherwise.
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You're mistaken. If you rooted your phone, you tripped Knox, which on this architecture is an efuse that you can't rectify. This will stop Samsung Pay working indefinitely no matter what ROM you run, stock or otherwise.
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then my phone, however unlikely it seemed, must have not understood it correctly that it must function that way. Because between august and now, I rooted my G935V, then I reflash G935U firmware through ODIN and rooted the phone again, and I ended up going back to using it without root. I still can use samsung pay in the device. Swearsies realsies. Although I dont have that level of faith and certainty to break knox in my G955U.
As far as I know, there are root methods that does not trip Knox eFuse, what, for sure, will trip Knox eFuse is installing unofficial ROMs.
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then my phone, however unlikely it seemed, must have not understood it correctly that it must function that way. Because between august and now, I rooted my G935V, then I reflash G935U firmware through ODIN and rooted the phone again, and I ended up going back to using it without root. I still can use samsung pay in the device. Swearsies realsies. Although I dont have that level of faith and certainty to break knox in my G955U.
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True. I did the same.The first thing i did was root my S7 edge. But i didnt like it (too much lag) and went back to stock(odin).After that,everything is working Including Samsung Pay.I dont know why people are saying that you cant use Samsung Pay after odin the stock firmware.
alek889 said:
True. I did the same.The first thing i did was root my S7 edge. But i didnt like it (too much lag) and went back to stock(odin).After that,everything is working Including Samsung Pay.I dont know why people are saying that you cant use Samsung Pay after odin the stock firmware.
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If I have to guess, this may have something to do with SD vs Exynos, because my snapdragon Verizon s7edge able to use spay after reflashing it to U firmware via ODIN. However, when I re-flash my s8 exynos with odin to some unlocked firmware, it recognize that I have tripped knox and voided my warranty. Although this one had TWRP and unlocked bootloader.
I just rooted my s7 Edge SM-G935F to load the Oreo Rom posted this week. After getting the poor Wifi I re-flashed it back to stock and was surprised (yes I know - I should have read first) that S-Health and Samsung Pay refused to work.
Bit of a pain as I have a Gear S3 also, which has lost functionality.
But, I have reflashed several times since, trying to get everything back to stock, including restoring from a Samsung Switch backup.
I have no idea what I did, but after one of the flash processes, Samsung Pay started working fine - I added my cards etc. no problem. As S-Health wasnt working, I tried to edit the system files to fix that...
And ended up doing another flash and Samsung Pay is broken again.
So there is something that allows Samsung Pay to work after Knox has been tripped. Unfortunately, I cannot replicate it again, so it may just be a random bug.
Samsung Pay and S Health not working after rooting.
Once you modify your S7 Edge and trigger knox you cannot use Samsung Pay again, even if you re-flash stock firmware. But S Health you can but you have to flash Marshmallow 6.0 firmware and set your phone up from start and update all your apps and then open S Health and set it all up. Then just go to software update settings OTA ( Over the Air ) and update your phone to the latest firmware Nougat 7.0 and when your phone restarts after updating automatically go to S Health and it'll work. There may be a simpler way of doing it but thats how I did it after stupidly rooting my S7 Edge SM-G935F Exynos European unlocked BTU firmware.
You can use shealth by just editing a line in build.prop but not samsung pay.
i try any way for worked s-health but heartrate sensor dont work any more after rooting...how can fix this sensor worked again ?
But does not work at all? I would like to root my Exynos S8 but I like the loyalty card feature because the ability to use it even in old barcode scanners, I can't find any other app that can use the IR blaster for doing that.
It's the only feature that I wouldn't want to lose... As I pay with my bank app that can work with Magisk Hide.
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S-pay Workng on a rooted phone
I don´t know how but suddenly i get spay working on a knox tripped and rooted phone,.... So it´s possible!
Beefheart said:
You're mistaken. If you rooted your phone, you tripped Knox, which on this architecture is an efuse that you can't rectify. This will stop Samsung Pay working indefinitely no matter what ROM you run, stock or otherwise.
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this is incorrect. i have a galaxy A8 (2018) and i tripped knox on it about 5 months ago and have not been able to use samsung health, but have used samsung pay just fine. I got tired of the inability to use sammy health and decided to flash twrp and magisk to block ads (since i wasnt getting the benefit of not being rooted) and lost use of samsung pay. I am going to do the process mentioned below and see what it yields.
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then my phone, however unlikely it seemed, must have not understood it correctly that it must function that way. Because between august and now, I rooted my G935V, then I reflash G935U firmware through ODIN and rooted the phone again, and I ended up going back to using it without root. I still can use samsung pay in the device. Swearsies realsies. Although I dont have that level of faith and certainty to break knox in my G955U.
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i hope this is the fly in the ointment. Knox isnt the issue, its something else that has yet to be discovered. As stated above, my knox has been tripped for quite some time and sammy pay worked without issue. My issue only surfaced after flashing twrp and magisk
following up on the issue of tripping knox causing samsung pay to not work. Ive been back on stock firmware, unrooted with knox DEFINITELY tripped for the last few weeks, and i can happily report that it works fine both on the phone and my Gear S3 Frontier. Knox is NOT the culprit
youdoofus said:
following up on the issue of tripping knox causing samsung pay to not work. Ive been back on stock firmware, unrooted with knox DEFINITELY tripped for the last few weeks, and i can happily report that it works fine both on the phone and my Gear S3 Frontier. Knox is NOT the culprit
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Pay doesn't work on my S8+ G955F Pie beta 4 with tripped knox. It says that the service is unavailable and I must reboot my phone...
XerKy said:
Pay doesn't work on my S8+ G955F Pie beta 4 with tripped knox. It says that the service is unavailable and I must reboot my phone...
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pie beta 4. hmmmm. how did you get this ROM on your phone? if youre rooted, then no SPay for you. You can restore the functionality of SPay by downloading the stock firmware from sammobile.com and flashing it via Odin
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pie beta 4. hmmmm. how did you get this ROM on your phone? if youre rooted, then no SPay for you. You can restore the functionality of SPay by downloading the stock firmware from sammobile.com and flashing it via Odin
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I downloaded the Pie rom from the XDA forum and flashed it with SD Card. I'm not rooted but have a tripped knox, so I think no SPay for me. I already downloaded the stock firmware from sammobile, but I had the same issue.